This isn't about protecting anyone's rights. This is the attempt to enshrine Christian privilege in law. There isn't much of anything that cannot be justified in the name of religion, and this decision would open the door to a very slippery slope.
I’m suspecting this won’t be the open and shut case some folks expect of the SCROTUS.
On the one hand, this is about Christian privilege and expanding it. Something the SCROTUS is wont to do in the majority of its decisions.
On the other hand, this is also about corporate control. Sure this case is a government entity, but the effects will be felt across the corporate world. Putting burdens on businesses is about the only thing the corrupt in our government will actually stand up to on principle. Their owner donors won’t stand for it, and if Clarence Thomas doesn’t get his luxury vacation he gets mighty grumpy.
So, I am going to bet on SCROTUS making the right decision for all the wrong reasons. Unless they can carve out exceptions for government vs. private corporations, then all bets are off.
OT : grocery delivery, we were putting the food away and found an expensive bottle of Champagne. First time something we didn't order find it's way in one of our bags.
And this is how the US turns into a theocracy, slowly and through the courts. Unless there is a serious backlash in the voting booths that's where we're going. FFS, we need to get rid of the electoral college.
I’m late to the party and haven’t read the 252 comments but….when someone takes a job that is specifically about covering holidays and weekends, should they be surprised when they are told to report on a weekend day?
Abuse always has consequences, always has blowback.
If this case opens the floodgates of religious privilege as described here, non-religious employees will suffer, employers will suffer, businesses will suffer and even fail, and people who depend on the goods and services of those failed businesses will suffer. Society in general will begin to resent religious people in general, because they're causing hardship for everyone else. They will enjoy their privileges for a while, but it will be less and less enjoyable to be religious because they will be more and more unpopular. Being religious will no longer be considered a virtue. It will be seen as a sign of selfishness. Young people won't want to be associated with anything resembling religion. Yet again, religion will be accelerating its ongoing extinction.
The irony here is that religious employees who demand generous accommodations such as being absent on Sundays depend on non-religious people to fill in for them. Meanwhile, they're also trying to convert non-religious people to their religion. If enough newly-converted employees make the same demands, the company will fail and everybody will be out of work.
Why are Christians like Groff such freaking crybabies?
When I was stationed in Bien Hoa AB in Vietnam (the biggest hot spot for Agent Orange. Not just in 'Nam but arguably the entire world), I worked 12-hour graveyard shifts with 9 days on and one day off. When I did a TDY to Tan Son Nhut AB in Saigon, I worked 12-hour day shifts with 12 days on and 1 day off. This where the daytime temps reached 120 degrees F (nighttime was less hot, but not a whole lot cooler)
We really need to start discriminating against conservative Christians like they think we already do. Then maybe they'll actually be brought down to a level playing field.
Groff tried to make a claim under the Americans with Disabilities Act but couldn't meet the test because a Delusion, by its medical definition, excludes religious beliefs. Hence, Christianity cannot be claimed as a Disease.
Two comments - As President Jackson said when the Supreme Court ruled removing the Cherokee Indians from Georgia was unconstitutional, "Let them enforce it." In the same vein, let SCOTUS enforce the new USPS rules. The other comment is that this whole Christian privilege argument will blow up when a business refuses to serve anyone wearing a Christian cross or an employee refuses to work with someone for the same reason.
This isn't about protecting anyone's rights. This is the attempt to enshrine Christian privilege in law. There isn't much of anything that cannot be justified in the name of religion, and this decision would open the door to a very slippery slope.
I’m suspecting this won’t be the open and shut case some folks expect of the SCROTUS.
On the one hand, this is about Christian privilege and expanding it. Something the SCROTUS is wont to do in the majority of its decisions.
On the other hand, this is also about corporate control. Sure this case is a government entity, but the effects will be felt across the corporate world. Putting burdens on businesses is about the only thing the corrupt in our government will actually stand up to on principle. Their owner donors won’t stand for it, and if Clarence Thomas doesn’t get his luxury vacation he gets mighty grumpy.
So, I am going to bet on SCROTUS making the right decision for all the wrong reasons. Unless they can carve out exceptions for government vs. private corporations, then all bets are off.
Can't work on Sunday? Get a job at Chick-fil-A.
I wonder what it would be like if someone was watching Groff and noted that he went shopping on Sunday.
Hey, if pastors can work on Sundays, then what's the laity's excuse?
OT : grocery delivery, we were putting the food away and found an expensive bottle of Champagne. First time something we didn't order find it's way in one of our bags.
And this is how the US turns into a theocracy, slowly and through the courts. Unless there is a serious backlash in the voting booths that's where we're going. FFS, we need to get rid of the electoral college.
I’m late to the party and haven’t read the 252 comments but….when someone takes a job that is specifically about covering holidays and weekends, should they be surprised when they are told to report on a weekend day?
Abuse always has consequences, always has blowback.
If this case opens the floodgates of religious privilege as described here, non-religious employees will suffer, employers will suffer, businesses will suffer and even fail, and people who depend on the goods and services of those failed businesses will suffer. Society in general will begin to resent religious people in general, because they're causing hardship for everyone else. They will enjoy their privileges for a while, but it will be less and less enjoyable to be religious because they will be more and more unpopular. Being religious will no longer be considered a virtue. It will be seen as a sign of selfishness. Young people won't want to be associated with anything resembling religion. Yet again, religion will be accelerating its ongoing extinction.
The irony here is that religious employees who demand generous accommodations such as being absent on Sundays depend on non-religious people to fill in for them. Meanwhile, they're also trying to convert non-religious people to their religion. If enough newly-converted employees make the same demands, the company will fail and everybody will be out of work.
Why are Christians like Groff such freaking crybabies?
When I was stationed in Bien Hoa AB in Vietnam (the biggest hot spot for Agent Orange. Not just in 'Nam but arguably the entire world), I worked 12-hour graveyard shifts with 9 days on and one day off. When I did a TDY to Tan Son Nhut AB in Saigon, I worked 12-hour day shifts with 12 days on and 1 day off. This where the daytime temps reached 120 degrees F (nighttime was less hot, but not a whole lot cooler)
Groff can just suck it up and stop whining.
We really need to start discriminating against conservative Christians like they think we already do. Then maybe they'll actually be brought down to a level playing field.
OT - A slight miscommunication?
https://www.gocomics.com/cornered/2023/04/18
Sorry, no sympathy from this former Christian. I worked Sundays every week for 35 years. Ok, I was a parish preacher, but still...
Send in the drones, they don't need a day off. : )
Groff tried to make a claim under the Americans with Disabilities Act but couldn't meet the test because a Delusion, by its medical definition, excludes religious beliefs. Hence, Christianity cannot be claimed as a Disease.
Two comments - As President Jackson said when the Supreme Court ruled removing the Cherokee Indians from Georgia was unconstitutional, "Let them enforce it." In the same vein, let SCOTUS enforce the new USPS rules. The other comment is that this whole Christian privilege argument will blow up when a business refuses to serve anyone wearing a Christian cross or an employee refuses to work with someone for the same reason.