Conservative Christians are usually the first people to claim they're being persecuted, and yet no group would be quicker to persecute others if given the chance. The rights of gay people, along with many other groups, wouldn't last fifteen minutes in the hands of this girl's father. The prospect of spending eternity with conservative Christians isn't the selling point they would have us believe it is.
Allowing that shirt is not upholding free speech, it's providing a free pass to do harm; one person's rights end where those of others begin. It has also long been held that some of students' rights may be curtailed while on campus for the purpose of keeping order and providing all students with a safe environment to learn in. Sooner or later, a gay kid may have had to sit across from that shirt in class, and they wouldn't have the choice to just look the other way. If the school wouldn't allow a student to wear a shirt that says "Hitler was right" or "white power" or "go back where you came from," then this should be prohibited too.
I agree with Hemant that school admins dropped the ball by making this about sex and not hate... but the case should have gone hard against the Penkoskis, and the other case in Ohio in 2005 was wrongly decided as well. The existence of LGBTQ people is not "political." Wearing a shirt that condemns our existence is therefore not "political speech." It's hate speech. It should not be protected, no matter which book the hater sourced it from.
Who the fuck is Penkoski kidding? If creating a cult was against the law Scientology, for one, would be out of business. Secular humanism isnβt a cult, itβs a philosophy. Idiot. His daughter is a dim bulb too.
To counter Christian hate seen on t-shirts, I propose the following t-shirt slogan:
YOU HYPOCRITE, FIRST TAKE THE LOG OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE CLEARLY TO TAKE THE SPECK OUT OF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S EYE
MATTHEW 7:5
Wonder how Brielle Penkoski would react if she saw students wearing THAT one? Think she'd learn something? As if.
Someone needs to inform her that Jesus didn't utter a word about homosexuality, which wasn't even a word until 1868 in Germany and never appeared in any version of the bible until the Revised Standard Version in 1946. The only possible mention was of Jesus healing the young male lover of a Roman Centurion. A Gentile! He did it long-distance to boot. He didn't question the nature of the relationship (if he's really God then he must have known).
Iβm giving 3-1 odds that the daughter, the crackpot, or both will eventually come out or be outed.
My old man yelling at clouds take: the answer to all this T-shirt stupidity is to just require every student, of whatever gender, to wear black or navy golf shirts and khaki pants or skirts (students choice). Show your individuality at school with your brain and not your midriff. Now everyone shut up so I can hear Matlock.
Speaking as a recovering asshole, I find it helpful now when assholes wear visual cues so I don't have to invest any time in them before I find out they're assholes.
OT: Very damned sad news: Tom Smothers of The Smothers Brothers has died at 86. He was a tireless fighter for freedom of expression and against censorship.
Conservative Christians are usually the first people to claim they're being persecuted, and yet no group would be quicker to persecute others if given the chance. The rights of gay people, along with many other groups, wouldn't last fifteen minutes in the hands of this girl's father. The prospect of spending eternity with conservative Christians isn't the selling point they would have us believe it is.
Yeah, no. Fuck both of them. The school shouldn't allow students to wear clothing that is overtly hateful towards others. "But it's in the bible!" ππ° πΈπ¦π’π³ πͺπ΅ π΅π° π€π©πΆπ³π€π©, πΊπ°πΆ π΄π©πͺπ΅π΅πΊ ππͺπ΅π΅ππ¦ π£πͺπ¨π°π΅. Just because it's in the bible does not mean it should be acceptable for you to wear it on a t-shirt to school.
Allowing that shirt is not upholding free speech, it's providing a free pass to do harm; one person's rights end where those of others begin. It has also long been held that some of students' rights may be curtailed while on campus for the purpose of keeping order and providing all students with a safe environment to learn in. Sooner or later, a gay kid may have had to sit across from that shirt in class, and they wouldn't have the choice to just look the other way. If the school wouldn't allow a student to wear a shirt that says "Hitler was right" or "white power" or "go back where you came from," then this should be prohibited too.
I agree with Hemant that school admins dropped the ball by making this about sex and not hate... but the case should have gone hard against the Penkoskis, and the other case in Ohio in 2005 was wrongly decided as well. The existence of LGBTQ people is not "political." Wearing a shirt that condemns our existence is therefore not "political speech." It's hate speech. It should not be protected, no matter which book the hater sourced it from.
I can just imagine Penkoski grinding her molars if she sees the following on her college campus:
SIN IS AN IMAGINARY DISEASE INVENTED TO SELL YOU AN IMAGINARY CURE
"Free speech is free speech" says Penkoski. Think she'd embrace free speech if the shirt said:
THE ROMANS WERE RIGHT. FEED CHRISTIANS TO THE LIONS
That's free speech as much as her hateful t-shirt.
I have one for them "Sin is evil cos it's maths."
BHm 1:1.
Who the fuck is Penkoski kidding? If creating a cult was against the law Scientology, for one, would be out of business. Secular humanism isnβt a cult, itβs a philosophy. Idiot. His daughter is a dim bulb too.
Would he support "free speech" if a t-shirt said, "There's no such thing as sin"?
To counter Christian hate seen on t-shirts, I propose the following t-shirt slogan:
YOU HYPOCRITE, FIRST TAKE THE LOG OUT OF YOUR OWN EYE, AND THEN YOU WILL SEE CLEARLY TO TAKE THE SPECK OUT OF YOUR NEIGHBOR'S EYE
MATTHEW 7:5
Wonder how Brielle Penkoski would react if she saw students wearing THAT one? Think she'd learn something? As if.
Someone needs to inform her that Jesus didn't utter a word about homosexuality, which wasn't even a word until 1868 in Germany and never appeared in any version of the bible until the Revised Standard Version in 1946. The only possible mention was of Jesus healing the young male lover of a Roman Centurion. A Gentile! He did it long-distance to boot. He didn't question the nature of the relationship (if he's really God then he must have known).
"He added that he would feel the same way if another student wore an anti-Jesus shirt even if he didnβt like it."
Believe it when I see it.
Iβm giving 3-1 odds that the daughter, the crackpot, or both will eventually come out or be outed.
My old man yelling at clouds take: the answer to all this T-shirt stupidity is to just require every student, of whatever gender, to wear black or navy golf shirts and khaki pants or skirts (students choice). Show your individuality at school with your brain and not your midriff. Now everyone shut up so I can hear Matlock.
I'm so fucking tired of evangelicals and their persecution complex.
Speaking as a recovering asshole, I find it helpful now when assholes wear visual cues so I don't have to invest any time in them before I find out they're assholes.
"Jesus is returning soon." --Several Bible verses
π»π πππππ π‘βππ‘ βπ π€ππ’ππ ππππ π‘βπ π πππ π€ππ¦ ππ ππππ‘βππ π π‘π’ππππ‘ π€πππ ππ πππ‘π-π½ππ π’π π βπππ‘ ππ£ππ ππ βπ ππππβπ‘ ππππ ππ‘.
A far right Christian who understands actual freedom of speech? Will wonders never cease!
I wonder how they'd react to my T-shirt β "Activities for children β let's raise demons." With illustrations.
OT: Very damned sad news: Tom Smothers of The Smothers Brothers has died at 86. He was a tireless fighter for freedom of expression and against censorship.
https://news.yahoo.com/comedian-tom-smothers-one-half-171553399.html