This is exactly what the christianists wanted - to get it into the appellate process. It will end up before these supremes of ours and they will pull more legal hocus pocus out of Alito's ass and eliminate the separation of church and state.
So glad the judge did the right thing. Hard to believe that groups are still trying to force their particular brand of religion on all kids. I can only imagine if a Muslim group wanted to force writings from the Quran to be posted in every classroom. We are not nor ever were intended to be a Christian nation. We are a nation made up of a wide variety of beliefs and religions. No one should be allowed to force only their beliefs on anyone. Hopefully when this is appealed, the court will make the same decision and deny this request.
This was always going to be a win-win for the religious right. They were either going to be able to force their religion into the public school classrooms, or play the poor persecuted victims of the godless left. This measure amounted to government choosing one religion over another which is expressly forbidden by the First Amendment. Their lawyers had to know that going in, but as I said, it was a win-win for them no matter how it turned out.
Like the schoolyard bully screaming bloody murder that the teachers are picking on him every time they have to rein him in and prevent him from tormenting others.
All the more reason to tax churches, to recoup some of tax money that has had to be spent making them obey the law. You know that's the only way to get one red cent out of them, and I am furious that other people are constantly having to pony up to fix problems religion creates.
At least at the moment, the United States is a secular nation, and as such any religious expression supported by public dollars is unconstitutional, full stop. I don't know how much longer that's going to last, once Trump gets in the front office, but for right now the Constitution is still in force.
The U.S. might be officially secular, but that's only on paper. In practice, Christians enjoy enormous privilege. Your "full stop" is empty rhetoric. Our tax dollars support Christian proselytizing every single day, despite it being "unconstitutional."
One of the kids that was in the last play I did, he’s in his early 20s, was doing the Diary of Anne Frank at a small town playhouse when a group of neoNazis began protesting in the parking lot this weekend. Everyone was safe, but it was pretty traumatizing for everyone inside. They informed the audience during intermission, and the cast were in character and also heard about it then too.
Of course they did. Despite nominally hating the ACLU and various groups that litigate against these blatantly unconstitutional laws, states in the South sure do love making large donations in support of them by writing illegal legislation.
I mean I know it's about the slow grind to erode norms and fuel the culture war in hopes of gaining more widespread acceptance, and also the fact that so many conservative justices are willing to throw out stare decisis and legislate from the bench makes it more likely they might succeed, but man they do keep having to pay the legal fees for groups they nominally oppose.
Browbeating children for Jesus, it's apparently the Christian way.
Also, let's all stop for a moment and appreciate the irony of a commandment that says 'Thou shalt not kill' considering the situation in Gaza.
Truth be told, the Christian Ten Commandments are little more than pretend rules anyway. All sorts of exceptions, exemptions, dodges, and escape clauses exist for them, most of which amount to 'but God said it was okay this time!' Not exactly a lesson I would want my hypothetical kid learning at that age, at least wait until they're a teenager and can actually enjoy it. :p
Christians want to push their religion on children (even kindergarteners)? Then let them go full tilt boogie and show those kids all the nasty things found in their holy book. The stuff that normally gets sanitized or just conveniently ignored. The stuff that would get any other book banned by those same Christians.
Silly liberal. "Let the market decide" is for when the market would decide conservatively. When it doesn't, we must impose top-down rules to make it decide conservatively. Just like "states rights."
If Muslims shouldn't be allowed to post The Five Pillars of Islam on public school walls (and they shouldn't), then Christian shouldn't be allowed to to the same for The Ten Commandments. Simple as that.
Christians want to display the 10 C where their kids will see it? Fine. Put it up in their homes. They don't need to be displayed in public schools.
If you put up the 10 C in public schools, then you also have to display the 7 Fundamental Tenets of the Satanic Temple in both public and private schools. Sauce for the ever-lovin' goose.
Funny how they DON’T quote Leviticus and their own god telling them not to mistreat foreigners living among them, that those foreigners have to be loved and treated as native-born.
Their own messiah said he did NOT come to do away with the Old Law and that until heaven and earth disappear (the earth is obviously still here), the Old Law is still in place. Not one single change until Jesus returns.
Been 2000 years, Christians. If you’re still waiting for God the Kid to come back you might want to alter your plans.
It is a win for Christians, because now they can appeal it all the way to the so-called Supreme Court, where the six Christian Nationalist "justices" have been salivating about getting their hands on just such a case so they can abolish separation of church and state once and for all.
“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”
Giles got some, but not all. Back in 2011, Bart Ehrman's book "Forged: Writing in the Name Of God -- Why The Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are" detailed (among other things) that these 'books' of the bible are forgeries.
*1 Peter
*2 Peter
* 2 Thessalonians
*1 Timothy
*2 Timothy
* Titus
* Ephesians
* Colossians
* Jude
Ehrman also stated that none of the gospels was written Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. John's gospel was an outright forgery. Also on the list of false attributions was Acts, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and Hebrews.
Is it just me, or does anyone get the sense that one website/blogsite after another is suddenly banning critiques of kkkristers? It seems to have started with Patheos, but I'm not sure if it's a trend or not.
The law could have another legal problem. In March 1915, Louisiana's supreme court ruled that school prayers and Bible readings were unconstitutional. (Herold et al v. Public Board of School Directors et al.) The lawsuit was brought by 2 Jewish and 1 Roman Catholic parents against the Caddo Parish school board (northwest La.) against a school board order for readings from the King James Version plus prayers in schools.
The local court denied the lawsuit, but the supreme court overruled him. It cited state constituional bans on religious coercion in schools. The court rejected the Catholic arguments but said the Jewish students would suffer discrimination. Even though they could be excused, that would enforce "a distinct preference" for the majority religion and subject them to "a religious stigma." Note that this was decades before the U.S. court ruled prayers/bible readings unconstitutional. So a state-level lawsuit would complicate the state's defense of the law.
That this is even a conversation is sickening. Xtians need to stay in their lane and that's not the classroom, or any part of the government.
Their bibble book says they must be meddlesome assholes.
This is exactly what the christianists wanted - to get it into the appellate process. It will end up before these supremes of ours and they will pull more legal hocus pocus out of Alito's ass and eliminate the separation of church and state.
Hey now, be fair... there are five whole 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 asses they could pull the legal hocus pocus out of, too!
Yeah, but Alito’s is the loosest and easiest to pull them out of.
*brain bleaches*
So glad the judge did the right thing. Hard to believe that groups are still trying to force their particular brand of religion on all kids. I can only imagine if a Muslim group wanted to force writings from the Quran to be posted in every classroom. We are not nor ever were intended to be a Christian nation. We are a nation made up of a wide variety of beliefs and religions. No one should be allowed to force only their beliefs on anyone. Hopefully when this is appealed, the court will make the same decision and deny this request.
This was always going to be a win-win for the religious right. They were either going to be able to force their religion into the public school classrooms, or play the poor persecuted victims of the godless left. This measure amounted to government choosing one religion over another which is expressly forbidden by the First Amendment. Their lawyers had to know that going in, but as I said, it was a win-win for them no matter how it turned out.
To hear them tell it, not being able to force their religion on others amounts to persecution.
Professional victims.
Practitioners of Martyrbation.
Like the schoolyard bully screaming bloody murder that the teachers are picking on him every time they have to rein him in and prevent him from tormenting others.
The religious right will never stop trying to force their religion into the public schools.
They also win on another front. Wasting more and more taxpayers money.
Black Hole, that money being spent on killing others and grabbing land could be used to feed the hungry, especially the children in the good ole USA.
Mourner or BHm. Like in Indiana Jones, Black Hole was the dog's name ;)
All the more reason to tax churches, to recoup some of tax money that has had to be spent making them obey the law. You know that's the only way to get one red cent out of them, and I am furious that other people are constantly having to pony up to fix problems religion creates.
As always, Murka's most persecuted majority.
Most persecuted RULING majority.
You left out that most important distinction.
I was raised catholic and learned from the Douay-Rheims babble. The ten commandments in the kjv are barely recognizable to me.
This is one of my principle arguments against the Bible. I do not think the genuine word of God would be subject of never-ending debate.
There is no "word of "god" anywhere in the Bible. Nor any word from "Jesus." The Bible is an occult book that was and is used to control people.
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Exactly
Greets from Turks and Caicos!
At least at the moment, the United States is a secular nation, and as such any religious expression supported by public dollars is unconstitutional, full stop. I don't know how much longer that's going to last, once Trump gets in the front office, but for right now the Constitution is still in force.
Let's hope we can keep it that way.
Good to know you were not eaten by an electrical shark riding a boat.
The shark ain't after me, anyway. He's after Trump! 😝
So does "Jump the shark" now imply to try to start it with jumper cables?
The U.S. might be officially secular, but that's only on paper. In practice, Christians enjoy enormous privilege. Your "full stop" is empty rhetoric. Our tax dollars support Christian proselytizing every single day, despite it being "unconstitutional."
OT- Florida Man #2's book banners continue banning books, deny that they're banning books, and accuse anyone who says that they're banning books of being a pedophile: https://apnews.com/article/book-bans-education-florida-desantis-censorship-schools-b4647f7709d06ae7780dd03003dfcd90
"𝘈𝘭𝘴𝘰 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘣𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘴 𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘭𝘪𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘏𝘰𝘭𝘰𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘵, 𝘴𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘢𝘴 “𝘈𝘯𝘯𝘦 𝘍𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘬’𝘴 𝘋𝘪𝘢𝘳𝘺: 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘎𝘳𝘢𝘱𝘩𝘪𝘤 𝘈𝘥𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯” 𝘢𝘯𝘥 “𝘚𝘰𝘱𝘩𝘪𝘦’𝘴 𝘊𝘩𝘰𝘪𝘤𝘦.” 𝘚𝘰 𝘪𝘴 𝘢 𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘱𝘩𝘪𝘤 𝘯𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘭 𝘢𝘥𝘢𝘱𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 “1984,” 𝘎𝘦𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘦 𝘖𝘳𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭’𝘴 𝘴𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬 𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘱 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘪𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦."
Gee, can't think of 𝘢𝘯𝘺 reason why a bunch of Nazis would want to keep kids from reading 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘦!
One of the kids that was in the last play I did, he’s in his early 20s, was doing the Diary of Anne Frank at a small town playhouse when a group of neoNazis began protesting in the parking lot this weekend. Everyone was safe, but it was pretty traumatizing for everyone inside. They informed the audience during intermission, and the cast were in character and also heard about it then too.
"Safe" is becoming a very relative term, isn't it?
Of course they did. Despite nominally hating the ACLU and various groups that litigate against these blatantly unconstitutional laws, states in the South sure do love making large donations in support of them by writing illegal legislation.
I mean I know it's about the slow grind to erode norms and fuel the culture war in hopes of gaining more widespread acceptance, and also the fact that so many conservative justices are willing to throw out stare decisis and legislate from the bench makes it more likely they might succeed, but man they do keep having to pay the legal fees for groups they nominally oppose.
Browbeating children for Jesus, it's apparently the Christian way.
Also, let's all stop for a moment and appreciate the irony of a commandment that says 'Thou shalt not kill' considering the situation in Gaza.
Truth be told, the Christian Ten Commandments are little more than pretend rules anyway. All sorts of exceptions, exemptions, dodges, and escape clauses exist for them, most of which amount to 'but God said it was okay this time!' Not exactly a lesson I would want my hypothetical kid learning at that age, at least wait until they're a teenager and can actually enjoy it. :p
Do what you want but find Jesus the last minute and you are home free! Poor Jesus that wasn't what he was teaching.
Christians want to push their religion on children (even kindergarteners)? Then let them go full tilt boogie and show those kids all the nasty things found in their holy book. The stuff that normally gets sanitized or just conveniently ignored. The stuff that would get any other book banned by those same Christians.
She lusted after her lovers…
So, Louisiana wants to discourage capitalism? Without coveting other people's things, the backbone of the US American economy would disappear!
Silly liberal. "Let the market decide" is for when the market would decide conservatively. When it doesn't, we must impose top-down rules to make it decide conservatively. Just like "states rights."
Maybe the end of manipulative advertising is a cure for the current American Problem of Republicanism.
Thou shalt rinse.
Thou shalt lather.
Thou shalt repeat.
Failure to do so will prompt a visit from the shampoo police
World without end, amen!!! LOL
Look up the Australian public service message regarding cheese. Well, not actual cheese.
I 'cheddar' to think about it. It must not be Gouda.
If Muslims shouldn't be allowed to post The Five Pillars of Islam on public school walls (and they shouldn't), then Christian shouldn't be allowed to to the same for The Ten Commandments. Simple as that.
Christians call the Ten Commandments a historical document (snicker). If that's the case, so is The Five Pillars of Islam.
Nothing "historical" about any of the fifteen (combining the two things, of course) of them.
Two of the biggest cons on the planet? How could they not be historical? (Just not in the sense the kkkristers mean).
I always look forward to the Satanic Temple responding with "Do What Thy Will But Harm None". Simple and usable. Could make a great poster.
Christians want to display the 10 C where their kids will see it? Fine. Put it up in their homes. They don't need to be displayed in public schools.
If you put up the 10 C in public schools, then you also have to display the 7 Fundamental Tenets of the Satanic Temple in both public and private schools. Sauce for the ever-lovin' goose.
The 10C are never ever ever put up in churches.
Wonder why.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheel_of_time
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wheel_of_Time
I have all the books in 2 sets (one in French for DM). ¿ Otra pregunta ?
When are Christians going to get it through their thick heads this is not a win for them.
Never. Not soon enough for you, I'm predicting.
kkkristers are not known for their ability to take in new information. They just recycle the same shit over and over again to make it seem like new.
Why are Christians bothering with the Ten Commandments at all? Don't they claim they are no longer under the Old Law (Old Testament).
They quote Leviticus (Old Testament) all the time to bash the evil homosekshuals.
Funny how they DON’T quote Leviticus and their own god telling them not to mistreat foreigners living among them, that those foreigners have to be loved and treated as native-born.
Too "woke" for them. They only like the "good" (to them) parts.
Except for the parts they like.
Yup. Hypocrites and liars, the lot of them.
The funny thing is they do not understand what they are quoting most of the time.
Their own messiah said he did NOT come to do away with the Old Law and that until heaven and earth disappear (the earth is obviously still here), the Old Law is still in place. Not one single change until Jesus returns.
Been 2000 years, Christians. If you’re still waiting for God the Kid to come back you might want to alter your plans.
Not a win? They're playing "Death By a Thousand Cuts" and they've been winning for a long time
It is a win for Christians, because now they can appeal it all the way to the so-called Supreme Court, where the six Christian Nationalist "justices" have been salivating about getting their hands on just such a case so they can abolish separation of church and state once and for all.
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Caesar Tiburcio Bible scholars now say most of his "writing' is forgery.
https://www.patheos.com/.../sorry-christians-our-bible.../
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“If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.”
Apostle Paul, 1 Cor 14:37-38 (AKJB)
"4 oh! 4 Oh no! We can't find that page."
maybe try:https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/2019/03/sorry-christians-our-bible-contains-fake-letters-from-paul-and-peter/
I found it yesterday but it took a few minutes and several tries.
I found this one but it's from 2019. Not sure if it's the right one
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/keithgiles/2019/03/sorry-christians-our-bible-contains-fake-letters-from-paul-and-peter/
Same one I found. Thanx
Giles got some, but not all. Back in 2011, Bart Ehrman's book "Forged: Writing in the Name Of God -- Why The Bible's Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are" detailed (among other things) that these 'books' of the bible are forgeries.
*1 Peter
*2 Peter
* 2 Thessalonians
*1 Timothy
*2 Timothy
* Titus
* Ephesians
* Colossians
* Jude
Ehrman also stated that none of the gospels was written Matthew, Mark, Luke or John. John's gospel was an outright forgery. Also on the list of false attributions was Acts, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John and Hebrews.
https://ibb.co/HN9g29j
Is it just me, or does anyone get the sense that one website/blogsite after another is suddenly banning critiques of kkkristers? It seems to have started with Patheos, but I'm not sure if it's a trend or not.
The law could have another legal problem. In March 1915, Louisiana's supreme court ruled that school prayers and Bible readings were unconstitutional. (Herold et al v. Public Board of School Directors et al.) The lawsuit was brought by 2 Jewish and 1 Roman Catholic parents against the Caddo Parish school board (northwest La.) against a school board order for readings from the King James Version plus prayers in schools.
The local court denied the lawsuit, but the supreme court overruled him. It cited state constituional bans on religious coercion in schools. The court rejected the Catholic arguments but said the Jewish students would suffer discrimination. Even though they could be excused, that would enforce "a distinct preference" for the majority religion and subject them to "a religious stigma." Note that this was decades before the U.S. court ruled prayers/bible readings unconstitutional. So a state-level lawsuit would complicate the state's defense of the law.
Laws don’t apply to Republicans, remember?