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Ahh the USA where "it's against my religion" is an excuse to harm/kill others.

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Despite the fact that one of their commandments says “Thou Shalt Not Kill”

and that their Bible says that life doesn’t begin till the first breath.

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It's kind of hard to take “Thou Shalt Not Kill” seriously when the tribal war god of Abraham orders his minions to commit genocide and mass child sex slavery.

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It is hard, like impossible, in my honest opinion. I know some nice and decent xians, but I also know xians that are neither nice nor decent. To clarify: Most xians are decent, but to many are not and they are very loud about it.

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They’ll say “She didn’t die” (despite their best efforts to kill her).

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What, read the Bible? Now you’re being silly.

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And where "fine, take me somewhere else" results in a bill so ruinous that risking death to drive 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧 somewhere else is a more appealing option.

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Greatest country, yadda......

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𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑜 “𝑝𝑟𝑜-𝑙𝑖𝑓𝑒” 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦’𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑙𝑒𝑡 𝑤𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑛 𝑑𝑖𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑣𝑜𝑖𝑑 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠.

Because "pro-life" is really "forced birth". It is not about doing the right thing. It is not about preserving life. It is the religious notion that women are incapable of making decisions about their own bodies, and should be forced to conform to that even if they do not share that religious belief. It is, and always has been, about religious dominance and control.

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It is also about old men forcing their untrained medical decisions on women. What would they do if they landed in a non- RCC hospital and were told “it is against our deeply held religious beliefs to perform an emergency appendectomy on a celibate old man”

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I am now enjoying pondering that. Also, sorry old man, no Viagra scrip for you either. Clearly erectile dysfunction is part of your god's plan for you, lol.

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Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander!

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As per Bette Midler:

"Time to ban Viagra, because if pregnancy is 'God's will', then so is your limp dick"

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God can suck my limp dick.

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They originally were shooting Doctors because they were "Pro" Life. They only stopped when they started getting major prison sentences.

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Have you seen their killing stats?

I just found them on UK yahoo. "From 1977 to 2020 in America, anti-abortion activists committed at least 11 murders, 26 attempted murders, 956 threats of harm or death, 624 stalking incidents and four kidnappings, according to data collected by the National Abortion Federation. They have bombed 42 abortion clinics, set 194 on fire, attempted to bomb or burn an additional 104 and made 667 bomb threats." https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anti-abortion-movement-killed-people-094505241.html?

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Oh gawd thanks for the link EFN, I lived in Pensacola FL and that was the sum of it.

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You are welcome. I sent it to Jessica Valenti at "Abortion every day" because she tracks this stuff. I worked as an escort in my local clinic at the time, so I knew of the two of the doctors they killed, and I remember the "Wanted Posters" they distributed to the developmentally disabled adults drawn to them. Then them squawking "We never told them to do that!" Oh yeah, you totally did!

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*Waves at you* from Sarasota.

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👆👆👆👆👆👆👆👆

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As the CEO of a chain of catholic hospital, I am deeply shocked that you are ignoring the worst part of this story. Yes, the hospital did give a bleeding woman a bucket and some towels. But, and here is the most important, and what I think is the most tragic part of this story, what did she do with them? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. She just bled on the floor and didn't clean up after herself. They gave her the towels and like the Jezebel-descent of Eve that she was, lazily left her blood on the ground, not caring about at all. What if I were to walk through the lobby, and get her blood on my Alessandro Demesure Leather Oxfords. That's two and a half grand of shoes that would be ruined. The $1500 we charged her for the towels and $1000 we billed her for the use of the bucket, would barely cover it. And being the self-centered person that she is, she wouldn't even notice.

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In the story about Jezebel, dogs licked up her blood in the street. Maybe the hospital should get some dogs. Bloodhounds?

Be a real shame if somebody started leaving red-stained towels and buckets around that hospital.

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I like the way you think!

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It occurred to me last night that stickers with a graphic of a bucket full of bloody towels would be cheaper and easier to deploy around those hospitals that are killing women with negligence.

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I think that’s an excellent idea.

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Lestoil.

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Doesn’t the bible say in Genesis that when their god threw Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden that women would hereafter bring forth their children in pain and suffering? Punishing women is built into this mass depravity. Forcing a woman to continue to carry a doomed pregnancy is cruel and is going to continue with many fatalities just because a bunch of mean, celibate men get their jollies this way. I only wish there were an everlasting Hell for them to gnash their teeth in!

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The cruelty is the point. The power and money are the means.

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In the 1800s they were fighting the use of anesthesia for women giving birth because the Bible said women were supposed to labor in pain. Part of medical history they don't bother to mention.

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Women have been properly until very recently. Some men don’t like the change. They found a home in the rethuglican party.

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Queen Victoria said fuck that!

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Actually worse than that if you believe the apocryphal texts, the first woman was Lilith, the equal to Adam and she got banished immediately and got replaced with Eve, the subservient...

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If ever we could grant that Christopher Hitchens was spot-on in describing the hierarchy of the catholic church it's when he referred to catholic bishops as a 'clutch of hysterical, sinister virgins.' No one in their right mind would allow people who've betrayed their own vows by perpetrating or covering up child rape to establish healthcare policy, a field they know nothing about. That states allow these pseudo-hospitals to operate and put people's lives at risk is shameful.

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with my protesrant Christian public education, I grew to the knowledge that 1. religion is the root of evil, 2. I read and understand the Christian Bible, and 3. that Bible was written by misogynistic assholes with zero relation to the real world, with emphasis on Control of women 4. so- called christians of today are going to hell to burn for eternity. so at least there that.

men who support this are projecting fear of inadequacy.

see, men can never be 100% sure that a pregnancy is Their sperm, so they have to limit women from potentially mating with a better male.

pathetic sad little men with teenie peenie syndrome started it- and we still allow religion. sick.

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They could never understand that “they come through you, but they are not from you”

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Don't you just love Christian hypocrites who complain that something violates their religious beliefs have NO such qualms about constantly ignoring/violating their own religious beliefs when it's convenient for them to do so?

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Catholic (literally the worst word in his Twitter bio) Just Dreadful Vance lies about the LEGAL Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Ohio being there illegally.

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He said it is okay to make shit up if it focuses the public's attention on an issue.

This is what politics has degraded into over the years, because we, the people, allowed it to happen.

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𝐼𝑓 𝐼 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑠𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑚𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑎 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑝𝑎𝑦𝑠 𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝐼’𝑚 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑜.

-- JD Vance

Congratulations, JD. You just told the American public you're willing to lie to promote your own hallucinations.

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And the MAGAts will think that's a GOOD thing.

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I really want to shove Leviticus 19:33-34 in his insipid face.

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Why are you so stingy ? Shove the whole babble in his shit pie.

May I recommend a Braille version ?

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In Hell, the Braille version uses sharp thorns instead of dots. Get one of those to feed him.

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It's not for this reason. Imagine your basic 300 to 500 pages novel. Now try to guess how many books would be needed for the Braille version.

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I'm curious, so i'll guess...20?

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Alex Jones is supposedly a Christian and look how he lied about the Sandy Hook parents being "crisis actors."

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Well, he acted like a spesific kind of xians. What are you complaining about.

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The only use I can see for them is when the cherry harvest is ready.

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No ... I don't love that or them at all. 😝

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What’s the problem, the dogma was doing exactly was intended - rolling over actual humans to bring pain, misery, defeat, humiliation and hopefully death. Create a problem and sell the solution, praise The Jesus! I’d be shocked if “the bucket” wasn’t made of paper and the ghouls at the “hospital” did not request it back, filled with blood, so they could feast.

Why is it a foreign sovereign nation (“The Vatican”) is not only allowed to inject its own laws onto sovereign American citizens, and also NEVER pay for the right to do so? They are, however, allowed to make huge sums of profit as a real estate conglomerate.

How is this legal? How is a foreign nation and its strange rules allowed to supersede our Constitution?

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Good damn question. I had forgotten that the Vatican is a country. So in essence, we have another country superseding our ours? Now you’ve got me thinking of those Opus Dei creeps on our supreme court. WTF? Are we actually getting close to the country everyone was afraid of becoming before JFK was elected? The one where we’d be ruled by the Catholic Church?

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Please. The Vatican isn't a "sovereign state." It's a rump mini-state, created by Mussolini's fascists to "compensate" the RCC for its "losses" at the end of the Italian wars of reunification back in the 19th century. One of the terms of the treaties that ended that conflict was the agreement of the pope to remain confined to the Vatican (often described as "100 acres of faith surrounded by a vast sea of disbelief.") The fascists made the place "independent." Sure it was. Actual independent states have citizens and a fucking economy. The Vatican doesn't have the first (it's a refuge for international criminals) and last I checked survived on the sale of commemorative stamps, specially minted coins, and remittences/tithes from the brainwashed masses abroad. The fact that it has a seat in the UN and huge influence over international law and policy is a travesty. No other religious cult has similar privileges.

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Correct. And one big reason I refused to join my relatives when they wanted to visit it when we was in Rome some 8/9 ya.

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Sigh. I'd love to be able to travel, maybe visit Rome, but have never been able to afford to do so. My nephew did, however, the year before the pandemic. He and his (now) ex noshed their way from Rome to Sicily and back. When he got back and was telling me about it, he mentioned that they'd given Pompeii a miss due to crowding and the Vatican because churches frankly were boring. Also most of the churches, cathedrals, etc charge admission, and who wants to fund the RCC, really?

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They charge admission? Does that apply to their parishioners as well, or only tourists?

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You hadn't heard? It's "Your money or your soul."

Sorry: I know a lot of cathedrals and historic churches even here in the US charge admission, and have heard it's the same elsewhere. My nephew did say it was the same in Rome as well. Of course, if you're a parishioner, you get major shamed if you go to mass and don't donate for the first collection, the building fund second collection, tuition "voluntary" fund, and miscellaneous donations for special masses, feast days, etc etc. I remember wondering, when I was a kid, why my family often didn't have enough to eat, but every time the priest showed up as a Home Visitor my dad would write out a check...Of course the RCC has had almost 2,000 years to perfect the grift and shame machine...

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Too bad they can't be charged with treason and ejected from their thickly cushioned bench.

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You have to wonder.

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I'm wondering if the Catholic hospital is now considering what the cost of this lawsuit will be compared to paying for the helicopter ride themselves.

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Yahweh gambles and loses again....

That hospital would never consider paying for the helicopter ride. That would show actual compassion, and force them to give up a little of the control they desperately crave.

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And money. Don't forget the money, choppers aren't cheap!

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Reckless hikers and skiers learned it to their depends a few years back. Dangerous and forbidden areas are clearly indicated, if you go there and need a rescue, now you will have to pay the bill. Too many people who took the rescue free of charge for granted.

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Yeah, I recall reading about the shock suffered by some yahoo who had to be rescued on Mt. Whitney. The bill was in the 5 figure range. It's weird that the guy thought deploying all these resources would be free to him, just because he was a dumbass who needed rescue. I get it that sometimes, people fall, or have an accident, but willfully venturing into closed areas and engaging in risky behavior is quite a different scenario. Like the derp who tried to BASE jump into the Grand Canyon and died. That was no accident!

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We have some trouble with that here as well. I can see these mountains from my nothern house. Every winter some people totally unnecessary die there https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyngen_Alps

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We call that "Darwin Award" candidates if they have not spawned first. We in the medical professions used to call that " Diagnosis: Too stupid to live."

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I know. We call them that too here.

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They might even whine about "facilitating sin" or some such rot.

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Paying for the helicopter would have been the same as providing the abortion to them. They don’t even refer patients to places that would provide the care they request when it’s not an emergency claiming it would be the same as providing the care. At least they gave her options but that was only because it was an emergency.

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As much as they consider the costs of lawsuits when considering if they should actually stop their clergy from molesting kids, i.e. not-at-fucking-all. I guess the RCC will just hide the hospital and its assets in their cemetery maintenance fund (or its building cathedrals fund) and declare bankruptcy. As per previous practice.

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👆👆👆👆🎯

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You know what. I am sick of physicians and other medical heath care workers denying care and life-saving health care at that, because they are too cowardly to stand up to religious fanatics. If the Catholic Church wants to profit from having hospitals all over this country, then they should provide whatever healthcare procedures that have been approved.

The American Medical Association and other healthcare groups should be organizing against the draconian laws and dictates from Bishops. These are not medical professionals who are guiding the medical communities' actions now these are radical Republican politicians or fanatical Bishops or other religious heads. We should start hold physicians and the people they work for legally accountable, for the death and harm they are causing women. The women and/or their families should automatically sue both, when it throws a few of them in prison and/or hurts their pocketbooks or profits watch how face things will change. Non-profit does not mean you don't make a profit; I know I worked in hospitals and other healthcare facilities for almost 50 years. Do you think these hospital corporations own so many hospitals out of the kindness of their heart?

One added note and I base this on starting my professional career in healthcare facilities back in 1969. Healthcare professionals and medical professionals once had a saying, "no matter where you work in the hospital from the janitor, to clerks, to accountants, CEO, nurses and to physicians, your focus must always, always be the patient, and if you lose sight of that you no longer belong in a healthcare facility". Around 1975 that changed, and it changed because so many hospitals were starting to be owned by corporations.

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From first world healthcare, to fourth world healthcare.

Even third world countries have better healthcare.

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Quit looking at Texas. :)

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I am not a doctor. If I was, I could not morally or ethically refuse service to a patient. How do medical doctors refuse to help??? Fuck the hospital's "policies," fuck medical insurance, fuck my medical license. This is a woman's LIFE. How does a doctor knowingly work for a Catholic hospital???

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That is an excellent question, there are many Catholic doctors. maybe the Catholics bought out their hospital? They are taking over rural health-care in order to deny women healthcare.

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👆👆👆🎯 Yes, and I don't remember having gyn crash-carts either, and I worked in multiple hospitals from the 90's- till I retired. And I since I worked in surgery, would pull the cases supplies when I wasn't actively assisting in the OR. Of course women were getting proper care then because Roe was still active.

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What happened to Ms. Nusslock is the obvious result of church dogma and doctrine being prioritized over the well being of the patient. Catholics supposedly value life uber alles, yet the staff at Providence St. Joseph Hospital could not bring themselves to recognize that the only viable life in this particular instance was the mother. Sadly, the twins fetuses inside her had no chance. Even worse: "a bucket and towels???" SERIOUSLY?!?

This is heartless and cruel and insane ... and I hope that Providence St. Joseph Hospital gets their ass sued off.

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And I'll just bet they tried to bill her for the use of the bucket and towels, too.

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2 weeks ago, when I was discharged from the hospital the hospital pharmacy sold me low-dose aspirin for $4 something. I thought it would be 30, a hundred, maybe even two. It was a dozen. I had a 300 pill bottle at home that I had paid maybe $8 at Walgreens.

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Shocked that they didn't charge you extra for the container. That's what happened to me the last time I had the displeasure of visiting a hospital- $5 and change for a "medication delivery device" (read: the bitty plastic cup they hand you your pills in while you're a patient), as itemized on the bill.

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As has been said here sadly too often, the cruelty is the point.

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At 100 x the going rate because that's what they as a "non-profit" do.

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The way this went is un-fucking-believable. Nobody should have to suffer this way, but remember the case in Ireland, where a (yep, them again) Catholic hospital allowed a woman to die in agony because of their stupid belief system. I don't believe they should be allowed to operate health care facilities if they're going to pick and choose which patients get to live or die.

This lawsuit is a start. Hopefully, punitive fines will be imposed, enough to send a message that this will happen every time they neglect their duty to provide ALL health care needed to save a patient's life. It infuriates me, absolutely. I hope Ms. Nusslock sues their holier than thou asses off as well.

Fuck the Catholics and the ass they rode in on!

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After the Ireland incident, the Catholic Church and the hospitals it operates should have copped a clue. They didn't.

Now it's time to shove that clue down their throats.

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It’s not like that was the first time something like that happened. It’s been happening since the beginning of time. The only difference was that the public was outraged over it, and that isn’t even new. The RCC’s excuse is that the people need to confirm to them, not the other way around.

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Just occurred to me -- in that photo, Major Burns had almost the same dead-looking eyes as JD Vance.

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Good grief! Could we be talking about [insert dramatic sting - Dun-dun-DAAAAAH!]: Son Of Ferret Face??? 🤣🤣🤣

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Well...they say photos never lie.

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And every other orifice, with prejudice!

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This is why I don’t have sympathy for religious freedom when it comes to healthcare. Why I didn’t think the transparency law was enough. Knowing this hospital wouldn’t provide her care would have done nothing to protect Nusslock. It likely would not have even saved her any time. She’s lucky she survived. The hospital caused her so much pain and suffering and risked her life over bullshit some politically involved religious nutjob decided was against god for no reason at all. Even the Catholic Church wasn’t against abortion until segregation was forcefully ended. But sure, your religious freedom is more important than the lives of women.

The whole anti-abortion debate has always been about letting women die, if not orchestrating their deaths. Before Roe, women were dying in droves over botched illegal abortions and miscarriages, during Roe women survived and pro-choice advocates warned forced birthers about what would happen if we went back. No one is surprised that women are dying now, not the pro-choice nor the forced birthers. They know this is the consequences of denying access to abortions. Saying they don’t care is the nicest, and most naive, way of expressing it, but I do believe they want this. They’ve told us all along that the greatest thing a woman can do is die for her children. They still tell us this. We aren’t hearing even the mildest form of concern from the right over the dead women. No thoughts and prayers, no we will look into this, nothing. Even Vance glossed over dead women during the debate, saying the one woman Walz mentioned should still be alive but went on about how the laws are right now that they’re at the state level. They want dead women. Especially if the women aren’t going to shut up and breed.

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Dead women and motherless children aren't as important as a fucking fetus! Even an unviable fetus. Or a dead fetus.

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They worship dead fetii, they actually want women who have miscarried to have caesarians to deliver an "intact fetal body".

https://jessica.substack.com/p/republicans-want-women-to-have-c?utm_source=publication-search

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OT, how did the Trump visit go?

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Thankfully uneventful.

My family was able to get home with no troubles and there was no violence. There was a contingent of Harris supporters there to show the world Waunakee isn’t all brain dead.

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You are absolutely correct everyone should follow Jessica Valenti's "abortion every day" Substack, because she and her researcher keep an eye on all the fuckery. Hopefully kamala will appoint her to help keep up on it. I can't think of a more deserving, dedicated person.

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Misogynistic, LGBTQ-hating, child molesting bastards.

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You are far too kind.

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𝐼 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 ℎ𝑜𝑤, 𝑖𝑛 𝐶𝑜𝑙𝑜𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑜, 𝑎𝑙𝑙 ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑤 𝑟𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑒. 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑠𝑜𝑟𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑎𝑏𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑠𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝐶𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐 ℎ𝑜𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑢𝑠𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑎𝑠𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑒𝑟𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑒𝑠.

While the CO database is a step in the right direction, THIS article shows why it is insufficient. A database telling a woman that no hospital within an hours' drive will perform the emergency care she needs in the next 30 minutes is NOT an acceptable legal solution to the problem of religious hospitals. What CO needs is not just a database, but a law like the one CA is prosecuting now - i.e. a law that says in emergency situations, hospital staff must offer medical care to save a patient regardless of their organizations' or even their own religious beliefs.

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In the light of the California law, my hope is that Providence St. Joseph Hospital gets its ass fined not quite to the edge of extinction ... whereupon the judge in that action informs the defendant that any future violations will be met with ruinous financial penalties and jail time for hospital administrators.

That MIGHT just get their attention.

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I expect Ms. Nusslock will file a civil suit separate from CA's. I expect she will win via settlement. But I also expect the settlement by the hospital will include an "admit no fault, amount not to be disclosed" clause, and I wouldn't expect the amount she gets from them to be more than a few million.

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And they'll holler "PERSECUTION!" before the gavel's echo dies.

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Oh, I'm sure ... and threaten to hold their breath until they turn blue, too. The fact is that they're losing traction and they know it, and if California has the cojones to follow through with their law, other states may catch the hint and legislate similarly.

One can hope.

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I’d love to see that…but many (maybe even most) states are too infested with right-wingers in their legislative chambers to hope for anything. If not their legislative chambers, then the their governor’s mansions. Worst case scenario, both. (Looking at you, Florida).

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I haven't seen that post. Anyway, lovely. And what link?

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Don't follow the law... Get sued... And lose any tax exempt status you hold. Seems fair.

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I would give real money to see some religious organization STRIPPED of its tax-exempt status, with explanation and without apology. I am unaware of any such occurrence with any such church or other venture, though the Mormon church came close, I believe, back in the late 1970s, regarding their treatment of blacks.

More than anything else, I want to see the US get very damned serious about State / Church separation. Sadly, I suspect I'll be waiting a while.

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Between the 3/5 person and a blonde bimbo and the rest of the goddamned kkkatliks on SKKKOTUS you may be right. WE may have to impeach the trumpistanis .

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So long as the Republican Party continues to exist in any shape or form, that will never happen.

And like cockroaches, they will be hiding in every dark hole and corner, just out of sight.

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