I doubt having the entire school drop out will change their minds or behavior. Not that that would ever happen. Perhaps a handful of families decide to leave, there’s probably a waiting list they get new victims from.
These are elementary school kids and they’re being told what they wear makes them whores? But it’s drag queens reading children’s books that sexualize children. Sickos.
If McCaffery's behavior is (a) seen by the community as ridiculous and (b) this publicly damages the local RCC, I could see them reassigning him. I'd say that's still a low probability strategy, but getting him reassigned because his superiors don't like the 'rebellion' he's fomenting under his watch is probably a much better strategy than trying to convince tens to hundreds of parents to remove their kids from the school. In August.
Why the frak is editing this message creating a double post?
I don't remember the details of the story, but there was a priest in San Francisco a couple of years ago who manage to offend just about everybody who supported the church.
In another era, the church would have tortured them and possibly burned them alive. All in the name of that prayerful consideration. There is no horror that cannot be justified in the name of religion. They need to put the church behind them and never look back, as have so many others. I can't imagine why anyone who has studied the history of the Catholic Church would want to be a part of it.
Forced conversion always confuses me, who do they think they're fooling? Do they really think Yahweh would want... oh, wait. He probably prefers forced conversion, what with all the bloodlust.
- 10 points for quoting one of the worst songs France Gall ever sung. At least it wasn't Bébé requin, this one will earn you a décapitation by guillotine en Place de grèves.
I don't speak German but Charlemagne is a misspelling of Carolus Magnus = Charles le Grand. I remember one of his favorite place to stay was Aix-la-Chapelle/Aachen.
Because before college what is teached is a white washed version, even for the Europeans religions war ? And no Pagan was killed when missionaries roamed this continent of course 🙄
PS : Did I say how much I hate DM's phone ? I hope to have mine tomorrow.
It's a new one*. From one day to the following I was unable to plug it to charge it. I tested 4 different chargers, same result. All 4 works with DM's Switch.
* The nearest shop is 45 minutes away and I am weary of the reparation costs since I bought it between 3 and 4 years ago.
Enjoy. A new phone is both really fun and really annoying. (Then you get the position I found myself in last November. A medical device that read out on my phone was not certified for the new phone yet. (It had been out just a couple of months.) It was certified a couple of months later)
That does not matter. They had the temerity to disagree with the priest in charge. They failed to bow and scrape, to surrender totally to his authority. It was the heinous crime of contempt of priest. Authoritarians gotta Authoritarian.
Many, many years ago my bride suffered from night terrors (and I suffered from her night terrors). One night she bolted upright in bed at about 2 AM and insisted there was a squirrel in the closet. I woke up in a daze and once I became coherent enough to understand what the hell was going on (this used to happen every few weeks), I managed to calm her down and told her there was not a squirrel in the closet. She was never really awake but I would then lie awake in our bed for hours wondering what was going on. (Let me say here that the night terrors finally stopped.)
The next day I told my bride about the “squirrel”, of which she had no memory and we had a good laugh. About a week later she bolted upright in bed and said, “Where’s the cat?!?!” I replied, “She’s in the closet getting into her squirrel suit.” About 10 seconds went by and then my bride said, “Hey!” in an indignant tone.
That was about 20 years ago and we still laugh about it.
Wow, someone let a tiny amount of power go straight to his equally tiny mind. The whole thing is very Catholic: needlessly strict, no ability to accept criticism, calling women whores and harming innocent children. Yup, sounds like the RCC to me, you can fucking keep it.
They're making many mistakes these days and they're far too conservative an organization to do anything but double down. I eagerly await the new round of church closings, wish I had money to buy one, I'd turn into something hilarious.
If you would not mind relocating to St. Louis or Saginaw or some other rust belt city, they can often be bought for very little. However, updating and repurposing a building that has been maintained by a board of trustees of lay people can cost more than the building may eventually be worth.
McCaffery may be a petty tyrant, but his pettiness looms large in the lives of the targets of his tyranny, who are helplessly at his (apparently nonexistent) mercy. But he has richly earned both the "petty" and "tyrant" labels. I hope there are some compassionate people in his parish who can console him with the sympathetic remark "Sorry about your penis."
I agree with Joe, there's something a little fascist going on in the pulpit. We'll see what will happen in the future, but when the priest starts slipping on jackboots for confession...
How nice to know that, in these dark times of uncertainty, with the world seemingly turned upside-down, when nothing else makes any sense... we can always count on the Catholic Church to do something absolutely wretched to a child.
"When a family challenges Catholic teaching and curriculum decisions through sustained complaints to the school and diocesan administration, irreconcilable differences can arise."
Translation: When people ask questions we can't answer.
"The hypocrisy is glaringly obvious." I presume no one is surprised at this? Or at the lack of ethics. They seem to think that because they're Christian, whatever they do is moral.
Or the pregnant woman's belly being cut open by a sword from an invading army sent by the Big Guy. And what did those women do to earn such a hideous death? Why, they rebelled against that god (how does one rebel against an all-powerful, all-knowing deity?)
Stories like this angers me so much! When will people recognize the hypocrisy in the catholic religion and its leaders and wake up and get out of it. Their teaching contributed to my life being miserable for so many years! I've been out and feel free but angry that little children are still being subjected to them!
A man without God is still a man, however, it seems that the Catholic Church is nothing without money. Behavior such as this won't help in that area either.
But that's what corporations, religious or otherwise, are for: Lining the pockets of individuals without in any way increasing their personal responsibility.
It's right there in the not-so-good book. VENGEANCE IS MINE, saith the lord. And if I happen to be absent, as I usually am, my deputies will take care of it.
This is what I have been saying for years. Religion has always been about power and money, but as it has become more and more politicized in the United States, it has become also about dominion. And in the age of Trump, it is also about revenge.
It's what I always tell people about banks, Airlines, and insurance companies. No matter how nice they are to you, THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. unfortunately, I doubt that this will kill religion for the muller family. They will simply go on believing.
A bank that regularly treats you well, will still pull a bait-and-switch on applying for a loan. Quote one rate 'as low as', then once you've taken the hit to your credit report, hit you with a rate 2% higher even though you have good credit and multiple loans (both current and past) with them with perfect payment histories. (Sorry, happened to me a few days ago, and I'm a little upset about it. rant over)
Like I said, they are not your friends. Sorry that happened to you. You really have to stay on top of these people to make sure they do what they say they will.
I didn't really expect to get the advertised rate, but over 2% higher? The whole reason I applied was because I thought I could get a lower rate than I was paying on a CC I let get out of control (water softer offered at 10.99 and 9 something on the CC, so I put it on the CC and now...) and pay it off in a set term.
"'I’m shocked they would do this,' said a second St. John mom."
I'm not:
1. The RCC's entire theology is based on the sins of the ancestors being inherited by the descendants. So of course the kid gets expelled because his mother objects to oppressive and regressive policies from the head priest.
2. Of course they have the attitude that girls' clothing choices are to blame for boy's treating them with disrespect. Again, their foundational theology blames the first woman for all of humanity's suffering.
3. And most importantly, the RCC's most core, down-to-their-marrow world view is that "THEIR AUTHORITY MUST DOMINATE," and certainly not "Reason should persuade." Galileo learned that lesson the hard way. So of course the books are banned and the language translators are banned, and anyone who has the outrageous, brash temerity to openly criticize such policies are banned as well.
Why is it that I'm not shocked at this dictatery while so many Catholics ARE shocked?
Why do outsiders know exactly what the authoritarians in charge will do, while the folks who live and work with them also live and work in a pink bubble of naïve expectation of being treated in a humane manner, and they are shocked when they are treated just as harshly when they decry those authorities treating others harshly? WAKE THE HELL UP! This is a tyranny that teaches and justifies tyranny, and produces tyrannical leaders and docile, cowering followers. Unless you toe the line and never openly express the slightest disagreement, you'll be punished. The rod and the staff are NOT for "comforting" you. They're for beating you into submission.
I doubt having the entire school drop out will change their minds or behavior. Not that that would ever happen. Perhaps a handful of families decide to leave, there’s probably a waiting list they get new victims from.
These are elementary school kids and they’re being told what they wear makes them whores? But it’s drag queens reading children’s books that sexualize children. Sickos.
If McCaffery's behavior is (a) seen by the community as ridiculous and (b) this publicly damages the local RCC, I could see them reassigning him. I'd say that's still a low probability strategy, but getting him reassigned because his superiors don't like the 'rebellion' he's fomenting under his watch is probably a much better strategy than trying to convince tens to hundreds of parents to remove their kids from the school. In August.
Why the frak is editing this message creating a double post?
I don't remember the details of the story, but there was a priest in San Francisco a couple of years ago who manage to offend just about everybody who supported the church.
In another era, the church would have tortured them and possibly burned them alive. All in the name of that prayerful consideration. There is no horror that cannot be justified in the name of religion. They need to put the church behind them and never look back, as have so many others. I can't imagine why anyone who has studied the history of the Catholic Church would want to be a part of it.
Christianity, during its rapid growth phase along with being the state religion of the Roman Empire, converted with the edge of the sword.
Forced conversion always confuses me, who do they think they're fooling? Do they really think Yahweh would want... oh, wait. He probably prefers forced conversion, what with all the bloodlust.
It's all about power and control. Religion has very little to do with it.
The lances and pikes were used to really get the point across. 😉
Point for murder.
*Groan*
You are cutting it a bit too fine
Too edgy for you?
France became Catholic because Charlemagne gave people the option of conversion or death.
You are a dynasty late. We became catholic under the Merovingiens, Charlemagne was a Carolingien. Maybe you meant Germany :)
Every history I've read had Charlemagne as the ruler who brought Christianity to what is now France.
Nope, even Clovis, the first christian king didn't, there was monasteries in Gaul before he took power, his own wife was raised christian.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ligug%C3%A9_Abbey
We learned about Charlemagne starting some wine industry, in German III. Only they called him Karl der Grosse.
He is also known to start something else:
Qui a eu cette idée folle
Un jour d'inventer l'école
C'est ce sacré Charlemagne
- 10 points for quoting one of the worst songs France Gall ever sung. At least it wasn't Bébé requin, this one will earn you a décapitation by guillotine en Place de grèves.
I don't speak German but Charlemagne is a misspelling of Carolus Magnus = Charles le Grand. I remember one of his favorite place to stay was Aix-la-Chapelle/Aachen.
"Prayerful consideration." Kind of like mindful gaslighting.
Because before college what is teached is a white washed version, even for the Europeans religions war ? And no Pagan was killed when missionaries roamed this continent of course 🙄
PS : Did I say how much I hate DM's phone ? I hope to have mine tomorrow.
As to your PS. You've mentioned it. Hope you get yours back soon.
It's a new one*. From one day to the following I was unable to plug it to charge it. I tested 4 different chargers, same result. All 4 works with DM's Switch.
* The nearest shop is 45 minutes away and I am weary of the reparation costs since I bought it between 3 and 4 years ago.
Enjoy. A new phone is both really fun and really annoying. (Then you get the position I found myself in last November. A medical device that read out on my phone was not certified for the new phone yet. (It had been out just a couple of months.) It was certified a couple of months later)
Ouch.
They still rule by fear. They've had a long tradition of doing so.
[𝑁]𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑠𝑚𝑠 𝑣𝑖𝑜𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑤.
That does not matter. They had the temerity to disagree with the priest in charge. They failed to bow and scrape, to surrender totally to his authority. It was the heinous crime of contempt of priest. Authoritarians gotta Authoritarian.
And some people still wonder why there's less and less butts in the pews?
Some people like having someone else in charge. *shrug* I would prefer a cat suit and slavic accent in a dom, but everyone's different. ;)
I can't confirm the accent but would this be acceptable for a catsuit ?
https://images.app.goo.gl/m7VbVcRLZy5qkQSz8
And the safe word is..."Marcy..ouch...uh Mercy!"
https://images.app.goo.gl/oo81waoJZZ2qPGm56
Many, many years ago my bride suffered from night terrors (and I suffered from her night terrors). One night she bolted upright in bed at about 2 AM and insisted there was a squirrel in the closet. I woke up in a daze and once I became coherent enough to understand what the hell was going on (this used to happen every few weeks), I managed to calm her down and told her there was not a squirrel in the closet. She was never really awake but I would then lie awake in our bed for hours wondering what was going on. (Let me say here that the night terrors finally stopped.)
The next day I told my bride about the “squirrel”, of which she had no memory and we had a good laugh. About a week later she bolted upright in bed and said, “Where’s the cat?!?!” I replied, “She’s in the closet getting into her squirrel suit.” About 10 seconds went by and then my bride said, “Hey!” in an indignant tone.
That was about 20 years ago and we still laugh about it.
But...but...
Gotta respect it.
Wow, someone let a tiny amount of power go straight to his equally tiny mind. The whole thing is very Catholic: needlessly strict, no ability to accept criticism, calling women whores and harming innocent children. Yup, sounds like the RCC to me, you can fucking keep it.
Tell the priest - "You can keep your RCC and shove it up your rectory."
"The school requires all families to sign a covenant saying they “support Church teaching in the school."
Wait for them to learn elsewhere in the world there are catholic schools who accept non catholic students and don't try to convert them.
As Hemant points out. "Church teaching" nowhere includes 'wearing leggings makes you a whore' or 'ban dictionaries that have the word gay in them.'
But short term, pointing this out is unlikely to get the family anywhere.
"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." Many of us who were raised Catholic realized the RCC is our enemy.
They're making many mistakes these days and they're far too conservative an organization to do anything but double down. I eagerly await the new round of church closings, wish I had money to buy one, I'd turn into something hilarious.
If you would not mind relocating to St. Louis or Saginaw or some other rust belt city, they can often be bought for very little. However, updating and repurposing a building that has been maintained by a board of trustees of lay people can cost more than the building may eventually be worth.
McCaffery may be a petty tyrant, but his pettiness looms large in the lives of the targets of his tyranny, who are helplessly at his (apparently nonexistent) mercy. But he has richly earned both the "petty" and "tyrant" labels. I hope there are some compassionate people in his parish who can console him with the sympathetic remark "Sorry about your penis."
Well, at least there was a prayer....
I agree with Joe, there's something a little fascist going on in the pulpit. We'll see what will happen in the future, but when the priest starts slipping on jackboots for confession...
"Say 5 Heil Marys and 5 Our Fürhers."
Followed by 5 Bloody Mary.
https://youtu.be/c2qX2bfB0lg
"at least there was a prayer"
They were half way there.
https://youtu.be/lDK9QqIzhwk
How nice to know that, in these dark times of uncertainty, with the world seemingly turned upside-down, when nothing else makes any sense... we can always count on the Catholic Church to do something absolutely wretched to a child.
Nothing succeeds like success.
I think you mean nothing succeeds like EXcess, don't you? 😒
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F93ywiGMDnQ
"When a family challenges Catholic teaching and curriculum decisions through sustained complaints to the school and diocesan administration, irreconcilable differences can arise."
Translation: When people ask questions we can't answer.
"The hypocrisy is glaringly obvious." I presume no one is surprised at this? Or at the lack of ethics. They seem to think that because they're Christian, whatever they do is moral.
The first rule of Christian Hypocrisy Club is that the rules only apply if you're not in Christian Hypocrisy Club.
They consider drowning millions of puppies and kittens moral, so...
Those puppies and kittens were little sinners!!!
And dashing infants against rocks. Or sending two bears to maul and kill kids for acting like kids.
And abortion.
The one about the abortion potion recipe is well known, but don't forget their god also commanded them to "tear the child from the womb".
Or the pregnant woman's belly being cut open by a sword from an invading army sent by the Big Guy. And what did those women do to earn such a hideous death? Why, they rebelled against that god (how does one rebel against an all-powerful, all-knowing deity?)
Stories like this angers me so much! When will people recognize the hypocrisy in the catholic religion and its leaders and wake up and get out of it. Their teaching contributed to my life being miserable for so many years! I've been out and feel free but angry that little children are still being subjected to them!
I believe that childhood indoctrination IS child abuse.
A man without God is still a man, however, it seems that the Catholic Church is nothing without money. Behavior such as this won't help in that area either.
But that's what corporations, religious or otherwise, are for: Lining the pockets of individuals without in any way increasing their personal responsibility.
And SCOTUS claims they are people and can even have religious convictions that allow them to deny their employees healthcare.
It's right there in the not-so-good book. VENGEANCE IS MINE, saith the lord. And if I happen to be absent, as I usually am, my deputies will take care of it.
This is what I have been saying for years. Religion has always been about power and money, but as it has become more and more politicized in the United States, it has become also about dominion. And in the age of Trump, it is also about revenge.
It's what I always tell people about banks, Airlines, and insurance companies. No matter how nice they are to you, THEY ARE NOT YOUR FRIENDS. unfortunately, I doubt that this will kill religion for the muller family. They will simply go on believing.
A bank that regularly treats you well, will still pull a bait-and-switch on applying for a loan. Quote one rate 'as low as', then once you've taken the hit to your credit report, hit you with a rate 2% higher even though you have good credit and multiple loans (both current and past) with them with perfect payment histories. (Sorry, happened to me a few days ago, and I'm a little upset about it. rant over)
Like I said, they are not your friends. Sorry that happened to you. You really have to stay on top of these people to make sure they do what they say they will.
I didn't really expect to get the advertised rate, but over 2% higher? The whole reason I applied was because I thought I could get a lower rate than I was paying on a CC I let get out of control (water softer offered at 10.99 and 9 something on the CC, so I put it on the CC and now...) and pay it off in a set term.
Several friends of mine have had similar experiences. Banks are evil. Not as evil as religion, but pretty close in my book.
Speaking of cancel culture.
No no, that's only when the left does it, this is *checks notes* personal responsibility? That doesn't seem right....
"'I’m shocked they would do this,' said a second St. John mom."
I'm not:
1. The RCC's entire theology is based on the sins of the ancestors being inherited by the descendants. So of course the kid gets expelled because his mother objects to oppressive and regressive policies from the head priest.
2. Of course they have the attitude that girls' clothing choices are to blame for boy's treating them with disrespect. Again, their foundational theology blames the first woman for all of humanity's suffering.
3. And most importantly, the RCC's most core, down-to-their-marrow world view is that "THEIR AUTHORITY MUST DOMINATE," and certainly not "Reason should persuade." Galileo learned that lesson the hard way. So of course the books are banned and the language translators are banned, and anyone who has the outrageous, brash temerity to openly criticize such policies are banned as well.
Why is it that I'm not shocked at this dictatery while so many Catholics ARE shocked?
Why do outsiders know exactly what the authoritarians in charge will do, while the folks who live and work with them also live and work in a pink bubble of naïve expectation of being treated in a humane manner, and they are shocked when they are treated just as harshly when they decry those authorities treating others harshly? WAKE THE HELL UP! This is a tyranny that teaches and justifies tyranny, and produces tyrannical leaders and docile, cowering followers. Unless you toe the line and never openly express the slightest disagreement, you'll be punished. The rod and the staff are NOT for "comforting" you. They're for beating you into submission.