"You must respect my religion! You must respect my beliefs!"
I respect your RIGHT to your religion and to your beliefs. If I find things about your religion or beliefs to be objectionable or absurd, I cannot respect those things. BUT I can and do treat YOU respectfully.
"I AM my religion! I AM my beliefs! So to respect ME, you must respect THEM!"
No, you're not. You HAVE your religion and beliefs. They're important to you, but they are not you. You're just trying to force me to respect your religion and beliefs because I want to treat you respectfully. I'm not going to fall for that.
And by the way, the phrase "must respect" is absurd. Respect is only given, never taken. Forced respect is not genuine respect. That would be subservience. Don't expect that from me.
This is one of the foundational problems with religion: that people subsume their beliefs into themselves, effectively becoming an embodiment of that belief system and identifying with them to the point of equating themselves to them. There then becomes no means of discriminating person from belief, and any attack on the belief becomes an attack on the person.
This is what I suspect Eric Hoffer would call a True Believer.
I read that book back in 1968, my freshman year at Case (in the ONE liberal arts course I took that semester!). It was disturbing back then and no less so now, indeed, much more so.
Exactly. True believers beliefs are much more easily reinforced today because of the Internet. Gone are the days where you sent out 50 flyers and bought the stamps out of your own money. These days you can get paid for spreading bullshit.
When you've been so depressed that you've lost a job and are having at least passing thoughts of suicide at least once a week, not seeing a shrink is really not an option.
I went homeless for 5 years after I lost my job and my apartment. Never felt I was depressed (no thoughts of suicide), yet just before I got back on my feet, I was diagnosed with depression. Still felt the same. Never did see a psychiatrist. Just sort of worked through it on my own (betting my atheism helped me get through).
The depression diagnosis still remains. I take blood pressure medication to help combat it. Just the various stresses of day-to-day living in a country where the future is cloudy and uncertain (my age probably figures in it somewhere).
For a couple of years I stayed with an association who help youngs. I was forced to see a shrink* once in my late teens. We barely started for a few minutes that he "diagnosed" all my problems were due to DM, not from my alcoholic and abusive father (and his toxic family) and I should cut all ties with her. I nearly threw a chair on him and complained to the person who took me. They didn't took me a second time.
* There is a "school" of shrinks who are teached that all problems are women/mothers fault. There was one who told a couple after the birth of their child, their problems would stop if the husband forced himself on his wife.
The most unbelievable social convention of the age in which we live is the one to the effect that all religious opinions should be respected, no matter how ignorant. —H.L. Mencken
We must respect the other fellow’s religion…to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful. —Mencken
Theists, and especially Christians, tend to equate their religion with their personalities. So, his comments are taken as personal attacks because they are their religion. None of what he said come as anywhere near the vitriol and violent rhetoric we see from many national (or nationally famous) GOP politicians concerning LGBT people or people of color. And there is very little legislative damage he can do to the religious, as opposed to the very real damage the GOP as a whole has done to all minorities and the lower classes.
Unfortunately, this might hurt him, but he may not have had much of a chance to begin with looking at the primary. Perhaps his challenger will find a bigger landline before the election, but I doubt it.
I like this guy! Not enough to move to Kansas City, but I like him none the less. Even thought trying to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled enough blood to float the Navy, people still assign the worlds evils to atheism. Christians play the victim any time their sense of privilege is challenged. If Christianity equaled morality, human slavery would have vanished centuries ago, there would have never been a need for the Civil Rights Act, and the Bible-belt South wouldn't have some of the worst social metrics in the country.
Wow, these anti-atheist Christians sure get their dander up when someone speaks truths and refuses to play along with their delusions. Pity those very same Christians don't seem to be able to find that outrage when a Christian politician or pastor (or anyone else, for that matter) says something absolutely vile and hateful about nonbelievers.
They claim to be all about religious freedom, but they don't really mean it.
I am amazed by the difference between our countries. DM's maternal grandfather, an openly atheist, had no trouble joining the town council of R and it was in the 50's* and 60's*.
*From DM childhood memories, I don't know when he started and she is resting right now.
Yes and no, Abbot Pierre is still someone loved and respected years after his death by most French people, not so much by bigots and his hierarchy for his hard left positions. Public schools meals still follow the catholic calendar, parents have to ask for special meals if they are not christians which cause endless fights in départements and rêgions controlled by far right parties. They don't want to accommodate other religions needs.
I'm not sure from your answer that you understood what I meant by anticlerical. If I'm correct, and I only studied 19th-century French history and a bit of mediaeval, there has for a long time been a group/faction that regarded the church's influence on governments as a bad thing? Generally part of the left?
"Anti-clericalism is opposition to religious authority, typically in social or political matters. Historical anti-clericalism has mainly been opposed to the influence of Roman Catholicism. Anti-clericalism is related to secularism, which seeks to separate the church from public and political life."
Ok. French Revolution and 19th century are not my forte but I know some some. There was several factions during the French Revolution, some were anticlerical but it was more against bishops and cardinals who were hand in hand with the French royal family, numerous local priests joined the insurgents, numerous ended guillotined too but again factions*. After that the 19th century is a chaos with a succession of religious Empires and secular Republics.
*Think about Robespierre who ended executed himself after sending countless people to their death.
OT: I missed my chance to see Abbott. It was last night. I was hoping it was tonight. I'm angry enough this morning to seriously think about going and confronting him about his murderous campaign against trans kids.
It was a speech about Parent Empowerment. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy that parents are only empowered if they make decisions he likes. If they love and accept their kids, they're investigated by Child Services.
I guess it might be safer doing this in one of his meetings rather than one of Trump's. I certainly would fear for my health if I went to a Trump rally and said that. Or for that matter anything they don't agree with.
Other than the bullshit about social media and the irrational bias against the autistic, most of his "rules" are already part of the standards of care. And, of course, if they can demonize doctors who don't support their fantasy world, all the better.
Most Christians and especially political Christians don't say the hateful part out loud. They leave that to the Steven Andersons and Gregg Abbotts and Ron Desantises of the country. They just silently agree and vote for them behind the curtain of anonymity.
I certainly do think that churches shouldn't get tax exempt status simply BECAUSE they espouse a religion or have religious activities as their primary function. They should be judged in the same way an equivalent non- religious organization would be judged. Suppose there were an organization that had as its primary function giving lectures about collecting thimbles and promoting thimble collecting and sent people around the world to espouse the beauty of thimbles and why everyone should have multiple thimbles in their homes. Should such an organization be taxed? The answer to that question should be the same answer you would give to whether a church should be.
One could certainly start a Thimble Appreciation Society or Museum or the like, register as a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit, and do exactly what you suggest. As long as they follow all the rules, including reporting, I don't care if they're tax-exempt.
The problem with religious institutions is they're exempt from many of the revenue reporting requirements, also in practice exempt from direct political involvement prohibitions. They shouldn't be, magic isn't a valid reason.
I wholeheartedly agree on requiring that they report all cases of child abuse, child endangerment, and child neglect. Absolutely. We have seen far too many cases of clergy not only not REPORTING such crimes but actually being the PERPETRATORS of such crimes.
In Florida they are. And, as messed up as Florida is in many respects right now, that is one law I agree with. All nonprofit organization employees should be mandatory reporters.
Ordinarily, I would say that Gahagan should own his statements and double down ... but then, THIS is politics. Worse, it's politics in Kansas which, despite its recent endorsement of abortion rights, is still largely RED. Religion in the Jayhawk State is likely borderline sacrosanct, and as such, any candidate for office needs to reflect that status if he or she wants any measure of success.
Terrific ... but the average citizen and certainly the average Republican in Kansas isn't likely to make that distinction. The uphill climb Hemant mentions looks more Sisyphean than anything else to me, and I would be dubious that Gahagan will go much if any further in this particular race.
It would have to be as, it borders on 4 states: Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky. :)
(As it turns out, Matt Groening said the Simpsons' Springfield is based on a real town in Oregon named Springfield, not far from where the native Oregonian grew up. So Homer and his family live in Oregon).
Kansas City is partly in Missouri and partly in Kansas. Thats why I always includes the state when I talk about the city/cities. And I am Norwegian. Been in them both. Got inlaws both in KC Kansas. And in KC Missouri.
OT : doctors finally found what's wrong with DM, it's not an allergy, it's a throat oedema. She is forbidden to drink/eat anything cold and sparkling water.
I accepted when I started posting online that I would never be able to run for any public office. Fortunately, I've never actually had any interest in running for public office, so it hasn't been an issue for me.
I think there's a deeper question here. I think what we're really asking is how long do we hold someone responsible for something they said or did that they didn't mean, no longer agree with, or otherwise would not endorse or repeat today? At some point, in order to move forward in life, you have to forgive people and understand that humanity isn't perfect and probably never will be, and letting go of an old hurt or anger is the right thing for both the victim and the villain. That probably doesn't apply in every case, there are some folks who will just repeat the same error over and over again. But when it's pretty clear someone is trying to make amends and be a better person, maybe those past comments or issue should stay where they are - in the past.
Good luck to you, Mr. Gahagan, I hope you win your race.
In Matthew 18:21-22, when Peter asked Jesus how many times a fellow believer who sinned against him should be forgiven (and offered 7 times), Jesus told him not 7 times but 77.
Christians have shown that they love to ignore their savior's words and hold grudges. Not just against outsiders but even against one another. We've seen both in article after article here at FA.
Don't worry. The Christian messiah will say something contrary and mess it up.
(Like him saying the only thing that was never to be forgiven was blaspheming the Holy Spirit, for example. Just like he did half a dozen chapters earlier in Matthew 12:30-32)
When it's a republican/pastor rapist we are not supposed to hold them accountable. When it's a liberal/democrat who twitted or facebooked in anger, forever.
"Here’s what’s important: As a city council member, Gahagan wouldn’t be in a position to craft laws, much less take sides on culture war issues. Local governments are not where we typically hear religious (or non-religious) arguments for anything. Garbage pickup is garbage pickup. A pothole is a pothole. Your personal and political beliefs generally mean a lot less at the local level. "
What color is the sky in your world, Hemant? Take a look a the current proposition and the current statements by the mayoral candidates for San Antonio's election on May 6th. It is riddled with culture war issues. This is post-COVID precautions and politically there is no middle ground.
And then there’s small towns like mine where several of the candidates running for village board were calling for book band, firing the librarian, and accusing the library of grooming. And some of the school board candidates freaking out over the imaginary litter boxes in the schools. But go on about this guy bashing religion. These tweets aren’t so bad compared to what my neighbors have said about LGBT people.
Plus, this is a bit OT, the high school “postponed” Pride week (it was supposed to be this week) on Friday afternoon and only told a few students in the GSA club. The school also told the students they informed to tell folks it was because the club wasn’t prepared for pride week and not the real reason. What happened was, a few parents heard about pride week and complained to the administrators (possibly they were tactful, but I’m not hopeful) that they hadn’t gotten an opportunity to opt their children out of the activities. Monday morning the students protested outside of the school over it. All was peaceful, but there were folks who were upset over the protest and not the school’s decision. The pride week is supposedly going to take place the week after next, as long as the school doesn’t find an excuse to change again.
"This is going to hurt me more than it will hurt you." The sniveling rubbish spouted by bad parents from time immemorial. And if the kid dares to respond "Like hell it will," he gets bashed that much harder.
Nick Fish told us at the convention in Phoenix last week that they had hard decisions to make about where to have the next conventions. He pointed out that many states are considering drag show bans and with the way they are worded simply having a trans person on stage could be illegal in those states. So they are staying out of the reddest states for now. I'm guessing Arizona was only still on the list because it was postponed from 2020, because the way they were talking, had they been considering Phoenix in the light of whether or not Kari (fake) Lake would be governor, it might not have gone that way. I could've seen her jumping on the "ban the trans" train since video evidence showed that she routinely attended the drag shows of a friend, yet denied all of it.
I don’t care what their religion is, you need to be respectful of that. And he’s basically saying, ‘I’m anti-religion, period.’ And that’s not OK.”
It's perfectly okay not to respect their religion, particularly if their religion is a hateful bullshit and they are constantly using it to justify their actions. I agree with all of his earlier comments. I would respect him more if he wasn't pandering to get elected.
Religion is absolutely a poison that rots human minds. That's not to say we shouldn't try to save the infected. Let's work on a vaccine, for god's sake!
"You must respect my religion! You must respect my beliefs!"
I respect your RIGHT to your religion and to your beliefs. If I find things about your religion or beliefs to be objectionable or absurd, I cannot respect those things. BUT I can and do treat YOU respectfully.
"I AM my religion! I AM my beliefs! So to respect ME, you must respect THEM!"
No, you're not. You HAVE your religion and beliefs. They're important to you, but they are not you. You're just trying to force me to respect your religion and beliefs because I want to treat you respectfully. I'm not going to fall for that.
And by the way, the phrase "must respect" is absurd. Respect is only given, never taken. Forced respect is not genuine respect. That would be subservience. Don't expect that from me.
This is one of the foundational problems with religion: that people subsume their beliefs into themselves, effectively becoming an embodiment of that belief system and identifying with them to the point of equating themselves to them. There then becomes no means of discriminating person from belief, and any attack on the belief becomes an attack on the person.
This is what I suspect Eric Hoffer would call a True Believer.
Must dig out his book and read it again. It's even more relevant today.
I read that book back in 1968, my freshman year at Case (in the ONE liberal arts course I took that semester!). It was disturbing back then and no less so now, indeed, much more so.
Exactly. True believers beliefs are much more easily reinforced today because of the Internet. Gone are the days where you sent out 50 flyers and bought the stamps out of your own money. These days you can get paid for spreading bullshit.
Respect thy mother and father. Or they can take you to the city gates and stone you.
Everybody must get stoned!
My psychiatrist says that's bad for the depression. (Although since the TMS treatment, I don't see much of that)
If I went to a shrink and they told me I shouldn't get stoned, I'd stop seeing the shrink. ;)
When you've been so depressed that you've lost a job and are having at least passing thoughts of suicide at least once a week, not seeing a shrink is really not an option.
I went homeless for 5 years after I lost my job and my apartment. Never felt I was depressed (no thoughts of suicide), yet just before I got back on my feet, I was diagnosed with depression. Still felt the same. Never did see a psychiatrist. Just sort of worked through it on my own (betting my atheism helped me get through).
The depression diagnosis still remains. I take blood pressure medication to help combat it. Just the various stresses of day-to-day living in a country where the future is cloudy and uncertain (my age probably figures in it somewhere).
For a couple of years I stayed with an association who help youngs. I was forced to see a shrink* once in my late teens. We barely started for a few minutes that he "diagnosed" all my problems were due to DM, not from my alcoholic and abusive father (and his toxic family) and I should cut all ties with her. I nearly threw a chair on him and complained to the person who took me. They didn't took me a second time.
* There is a "school" of shrinks who are teached that all problems are women/mothers fault. There was one who told a couple after the birth of their child, their problems would stop if the husband forced himself on his wife.
The most unbelievable social convention of the age in which we live is the one to the effect that all religious opinions should be respected, no matter how ignorant. —H.L. Mencken
We must respect the other fellow’s religion…to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful. —Mencken
I think they have a slightly different definition of respect from you. 😀 Something like outward conformity might suffice? Lip service?
“I will not make windows into men’s souls.”
Theists, and especially Christians, tend to equate their religion with their personalities. So, his comments are taken as personal attacks because they are their religion. None of what he said come as anywhere near the vitriol and violent rhetoric we see from many national (or nationally famous) GOP politicians concerning LGBT people or people of color. And there is very little legislative damage he can do to the religious, as opposed to the very real damage the GOP as a whole has done to all minorities and the lower classes.
Unfortunately, this might hurt him, but he may not have had much of a chance to begin with looking at the primary. Perhaps his challenger will find a bigger landline before the election, but I doubt it.
I like this guy! Not enough to move to Kansas City, but I like him none the less. Even thought trying to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian has spilled enough blood to float the Navy, people still assign the worlds evils to atheism. Christians play the victim any time their sense of privilege is challenged. If Christianity equaled morality, human slavery would have vanished centuries ago, there would have never been a need for the Civil Rights Act, and the Bible-belt South wouldn't have some of the worst social metrics in the country.
Wow, these anti-atheist Christians sure get their dander up when someone speaks truths and refuses to play along with their delusions. Pity those very same Christians don't seem to be able to find that outrage when a Christian politician or pastor (or anyone else, for that matter) says something absolutely vile and hateful about nonbelievers.
They claim to be all about religious freedom, but they don't really mean it.
religious freedom is hardly their biggest lie. That would be "we love everyone" Very, very few mean that.
It's not their biggest lie but it's sure one of their most transparent ones.
I'll say it again: Christians demand respect yet refuse to grant that same respect to others outside their bible bubble in return.
Let them offer what they themselves expect.
I am amazed by the difference between our countries. DM's maternal grandfather, an openly atheist, had no trouble joining the town council of R and it was in the 50's* and 60's*.
*From DM childhood memories, I don't know when he started and she is resting right now.
France has a long anti-clerical tradition alongside its catholicism though right?
Yes and no, Abbot Pierre is still someone loved and respected years after his death by most French people, not so much by bigots and his hierarchy for his hard left positions. Public schools meals still follow the catholic calendar, parents have to ask for special meals if they are not christians which cause endless fights in départements and rêgions controlled by far right parties. They don't want to accommodate other religions needs.
I'm not sure from your answer that you understood what I meant by anticlerical. If I'm correct, and I only studied 19th-century French history and a bit of mediaeval, there has for a long time been a group/faction that regarded the church's influence on governments as a bad thing? Generally part of the left?
"Anti-clericalism is opposition to religious authority, typically in social or political matters. Historical anti-clericalism has mainly been opposed to the influence of Roman Catholicism. Anti-clericalism is related to secularism, which seeks to separate the church from public and political life."
Ok. French Revolution and 19th century are not my forte but I know some some. There was several factions during the French Revolution, some were anticlerical but it was more against bishops and cardinals who were hand in hand with the French royal family, numerous local priests joined the insurgents, numerous ended guillotined too but again factions*. After that the 19th century is a chaos with a succession of religious Empires and secular Republics.
*Think about Robespierre who ended executed himself after sending countless people to their death.
OT: I missed my chance to see Abbott. It was last night. I was hoping it was tonight. I'm angry enough this morning to seriously think about going and confronting him about his murderous campaign against trans kids.
Do you have a death wish ? He must surround himself with rabid dogs of the human variety.
It was a speech about Parent Empowerment. I wanted to point out the hypocrisy that parents are only empowered if they make decisions he likes. If they love and accept their kids, they're investigated by Child Services.
I guess it might be safer doing this in one of his meetings rather than one of Trump's. I certainly would fear for my health if I went to a Trump rally and said that. Or for that matter anything they don't agree with.
I assume you won't take any solace in the fact that Missouri's AG has gone Abbott one better. https://www.wonkette.com/missouri-attorney-general-singlehandedly-bans-care-for-trans-adults-too-no-law-required
Other than the bullshit about social media and the irrational bias against the autistic, most of his "rules" are already part of the standards of care. And, of course, if they can demonize doctors who don't support their fantasy world, all the better.
Can picture Bailey telling Abbott to hold his beer.
Obviously not the most politic of things to say. Now then, can we hear what his (presumably) religious opponents think of atheism and atheists?
Most Christians and especially political Christians don't say the hateful part out loud. They leave that to the Steven Andersons and Gregg Abbotts and Ron Desantises of the country. They just silently agree and vote for them behind the curtain of anonymity.
I certainly do think that churches shouldn't get tax exempt status simply BECAUSE they espouse a religion or have religious activities as their primary function. They should be judged in the same way an equivalent non- religious organization would be judged. Suppose there were an organization that had as its primary function giving lectures about collecting thimbles and promoting thimble collecting and sent people around the world to espouse the beauty of thimbles and why everyone should have multiple thimbles in their homes. Should such an organization be taxed? The answer to that question should be the same answer you would give to whether a church should be.
One could certainly start a Thimble Appreciation Society or Museum or the like, register as a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit, and do exactly what you suggest. As long as they follow all the rules, including reporting, I don't care if they're tax-exempt.
The problem with religious institutions is they're exempt from many of the revenue reporting requirements, also in practice exempt from direct political involvement prohibitions. They shouldn't be, magic isn't a valid reason.
I wholeheartedly agree on requiring that they report all cases of child abuse, child endangerment, and child neglect. Absolutely. We have seen far too many cases of clergy not only not REPORTING such crimes but actually being the PERPETRATORS of such crimes.
Not-for-profit organizations may not necessarily be mandatory reporters...but I agree with the sentiment.
In Florida they are. And, as messed up as Florida is in many respects right now, that is one law I agree with. All nonprofit organization employees should be mandatory reporters.
I can't think of a legitimate reason that anyone *shouldn't* be a mandatory reporter.
Agreed
Ordinarily, I would say that Gahagan should own his statements and double down ... but then, THIS is politics. Worse, it's politics in Kansas which, despite its recent endorsement of abortion rights, is still largely RED. Religion in the Jayhawk State is likely borderline sacrosanct, and as such, any candidate for office needs to reflect that status if he or she wants any measure of success.
𝐺𝑎ℎ𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑛 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛𝑠. 𝐼𝑡’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑦𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑚 ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑓.
Terrific ... but the average citizen and certainly the average Republican in Kansas isn't likely to make that distinction. The uphill climb Hemant mentions looks more Sisyphean than anything else to me, and I would be dubious that Gahagan will go much if any further in this particular race.
"Chris Gahagan is running for a position on the Kansas City Council in Missouri."
I think he'd have a better chance in Kansas. They've shown that at least sometimes people are more important than tribe.
Dorothy would vote for him, but probably not Miss Gulch.
No. Miss Gulch will be running DeSantis' headquarters in Kansas.
The Kansas side of the KC metro area is where the Kansas liberals are found.
Aaaah, so I goofed. It happens. 😝
Isn't that a mistake Trump made just recently? That's the only reason I knew Kansas City wasn't in Kansas. 🙂
I believe there's one of those in each state.
Like Springfield.
It's a helluva town!
It would have to be as, it borders on 4 states: Ohio, Nevada, Maine and Kentucky. :)
(As it turns out, Matt Groening said the Simpsons' Springfield is based on a real town in Oregon named Springfield, not far from where the native Oregonian grew up. So Homer and his family live in Oregon).
Kansas City is partly in Missouri and partly in Kansas. Thats why I always includes the state when I talk about the city/cities. And I am Norwegian. Been in them both. Got inlaws both in KC Kansas. And in KC Missouri.
OT : doctors finally found what's wrong with DM, it's not an allergy, it's a throat oedema. She is forbidden to drink/eat anything cold and sparkling water.
PS : I hate Spring !
*Sniffle*
Can't do anything from here but be trite, but I hope she is well soon.
Like we said here "c'est le geste ou la pensée qui compte", unlike gopers after a killing your words are sincere and that's the more important thing.
Sorry to hear that.
Have you considered snorting allergy meds?
Flonase ingredients: benzalkonium chloride, dextrose, microcrystalline cellulose, phenylethyl alcohol, polysorbate 80, purified water, sodium carboxymethylcellulose
If you can get Claritin, give it a try. That is if you don't prefer this 😪🤧
We already had this conversation. The only antihistamines without lactose I could find makes me dizzy and more sick.
I accepted when I started posting online that I would never be able to run for any public office. Fortunately, I've never actually had any interest in running for public office, so it hasn't been an issue for me.
I think there's a deeper question here. I think what we're really asking is how long do we hold someone responsible for something they said or did that they didn't mean, no longer agree with, or otherwise would not endorse or repeat today? At some point, in order to move forward in life, you have to forgive people and understand that humanity isn't perfect and probably never will be, and letting go of an old hurt or anger is the right thing for both the victim and the villain. That probably doesn't apply in every case, there are some folks who will just repeat the same error over and over again. But when it's pretty clear someone is trying to make amends and be a better person, maybe those past comments or issue should stay where they are - in the past.
Good luck to you, Mr. Gahagan, I hope you win your race.
If I ever had the chance, I'd vote for you.
In Matthew 18:21-22, when Peter asked Jesus how many times a fellow believer who sinned against him should be forgiven (and offered 7 times), Jesus told him not 7 times but 77.
Christians have shown that they love to ignore their savior's words and hold grudges. Not just against outsiders but even against one another. We've seen both in article after article here at FA.
I see the stopped clock theory strikes again. Even the bible on rare occasion gets something right.
Who knew?
Don't worry. The Christian messiah will say something contrary and mess it up.
(Like him saying the only thing that was never to be forgiven was blaspheming the Holy Spirit, for example. Just like he did half a dozen chapters earlier in Matthew 12:30-32)
Why would anyone blaspheme Casper?
Casper's friendly, but he ain't holy.
(Anybody ever stop to think that Casper's the ghost of a dead kid? Kinda sad)
When it's a republican/pastor rapist we are not supposed to hold them accountable. When it's a liberal/democrat who twitted or facebooked in anger, forever.
"Here’s what’s important: As a city council member, Gahagan wouldn’t be in a position to craft laws, much less take sides on culture war issues. Local governments are not where we typically hear religious (or non-religious) arguments for anything. Garbage pickup is garbage pickup. A pothole is a pothole. Your personal and political beliefs generally mean a lot less at the local level. "
What color is the sky in your world, Hemant? Take a look a the current proposition and the current statements by the mayoral candidates for San Antonio's election on May 6th. It is riddled with culture war issues. This is post-COVID precautions and politically there is no middle ground.
And then there’s small towns like mine where several of the candidates running for village board were calling for book band, firing the librarian, and accusing the library of grooming. And some of the school board candidates freaking out over the imaginary litter boxes in the schools. But go on about this guy bashing religion. These tweets aren’t so bad compared to what my neighbors have said about LGBT people.
Plus, this is a bit OT, the high school “postponed” Pride week (it was supposed to be this week) on Friday afternoon and only told a few students in the GSA club. The school also told the students they informed to tell folks it was because the club wasn’t prepared for pride week and not the real reason. What happened was, a few parents heard about pride week and complained to the administrators (possibly they were tactful, but I’m not hopeful) that they hadn’t gotten an opportunity to opt their children out of the activities. Monday morning the students protested outside of the school over it. All was peaceful, but there were folks who were upset over the protest and not the school’s decision. The pride week is supposedly going to take place the week after next, as long as the school doesn’t find an excuse to change again.
Of course, it's open season on trans kids, and the limits on LGB kids has hit record highs.
Since you brought it up, the FL G卐P is now going after Pride parades.
𝐇𝐨𝐰 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐩𝐫𝐨𝐩𝐨𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐚𝐟𝐟𝐞𝐜𝐭 𝐝𝐫𝐚𝐠 𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐰𝐬 𝐚𝐭 𝐒𝐭. 𝐏𝐞𝐭𝐞 𝐏𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐞?
https://news.yahoo.com/proposed-florida-law-affect-drag-100000666.html
St. Pete Pride is the largest in the southeast.
About like Putin's "Protect the Children", they cry while trying to kill them.
"This is going to hurt me more than it will hurt you." The sniveling rubbish spouted by bad parents from time immemorial. And if the kid dares to respond "Like hell it will," he gets bashed that much harder.
Nick Fish told us at the convention in Phoenix last week that they had hard decisions to make about where to have the next conventions. He pointed out that many states are considering drag show bans and with the way they are worded simply having a trans person on stage could be illegal in those states. So they are staying out of the reddest states for now. I'm guessing Arizona was only still on the list because it was postponed from 2020, because the way they were talking, had they been considering Phoenix in the light of whether or not Kari (fake) Lake would be governor, it might not have gone that way. I could've seen her jumping on the "ban the trans" train since video evidence showed that she routinely attended the drag shows of a friend, yet denied all of it.
I don’t care what their religion is, you need to be respectful of that. And he’s basically saying, ‘I’m anti-religion, period.’ And that’s not OK.”
It's perfectly okay not to respect their religion, particularly if their religion is a hateful bullshit and they are constantly using it to justify their actions. I agree with all of his earlier comments. I would respect him more if he wasn't pandering to get elected.
Religion is absolutely a poison that rots human minds. That's not to say we shouldn't try to save the infected. Let's work on a vaccine, for god's sake!
*edited for improper word choice
Ramen!
There's a new FA article called "Arizona Supreme Court: Mormon leaders don't have to report confessions of abuse."