If you want your children to share your beliefs, then show them your beliefs are relevant and valuable. On that note...
Good luck convincing a generation that grew up with handheld supercomputers, connected to an entire world of other handheld supercomputers, that they should base their worldview on a book written by people who'd barely mastered the abacus. But then, you already know how hard it is to make a successful case for your religion- that's why you've turned back to banning books. It's 𝘴𝘰 much easier to make a losing argument stick when you don't allow anyone else into forum.
I didn't even make it through my twelve years of catholic school before I became non-religious. There were just so many things that didn't make any sense at all.
If you feel its VITALLY important your kids stay Evangelical, maybe you shouldn't hate on gays, muslims, liberals etc. so much, eh? Surely your kid's eternal soul is worth the piffling cost of you being outwardly nice to the neighbors you don't inwardly like, eh?
Evangelicals tend to act like their children are their own property rather than independent human people. Parental rights advocates, who trend fundamental religious, demand things that generally aren’t in their children’s best interest, but more in the interests of the parent being the authority over their children. Things like education opportunities, providing healthcare, or abuse deterrents that might challenge their religious beliefs.
The survey might not be a direct correlation of wanting your children to follow your religion and considering your children your property, but it does provide fuel for the hypothesis.
Kevin Seefried, the traitor at the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection who menaced a black DC police officer with a pole that had a Confederate flag attached to it just got a 3-year prison term.
When I was eight, family friends invited me to attend the Awanas kids club at the Baptist church at the end of our street, a five minute walk. Once I turned ten my parents announced that they were taking me out of Awanas and putting me into their Calvinist denomination's boys club, a formal and joyless knockoff of Boy Scouts. The reason? "We want you to be with *our* boys."
At that moment I understood that it wasn't about being Christian, it was about being a member of their insular denomination. So it had less to do with substance or doctrine and more to do with heritage, tradition, identity, belonging, and handing down some legacy. My parents didn't recognize it at the time but that realization was the turning point toward a swift resistance to their indoctrination. The authoritarian attitude of the church and their "dominee" (pastor) was nullified by my inherent understanding that "I am not your property." I don't need membership in a "sit down and STFU" social club.
-- Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood
And how many evangelicals would LOVE the idea of having a similar statute as a part of their doctrine? My guess would be: A LOT. And as it is, people are moving away from religious faith, INCLUDING the children of evangelicals ... and there is damned little that can be done about that.
The largest (by far) Protestant denomination is the Southern Baptist Convention. The SBC is a MASSIVE real estate empire/political org. run by pimps/human traffickers with more money than most countries. It is imperative one's children be on board when you're the mafia.
From my very fundamentalist Southern Baptist upbringing, yes, it's more than just the worry that any kid even slightly outside the fold will go to h3ll. It's about honestly believing that anyone with different beliefs isn't just wrong, but willfully and intentionally working against Jesus/God and the good of the human race as a whole. At the end of the day, so many Christians really do think that anyone who isn't, at bare minimum, a believer in Christ is a monster that must be destroyed in the most uncompromising of terms. (Do I need to point out how that might reflect on the parent?)
These parents aren't just afraid for their kids, they're also terrified that whatever their non-believing kids might do will be held against them. Why do you think so many of them throw out their LGBTQ+ kids? They'll claim the tough love thing, sure, but it's also an attempt to divorce themselves from the responsibility of having raised kids that aren't 'straight, like God intended'. I cannot tell you the number of times I've wondered how my parents would have responded had I told them I wasn't straight; and as broken as my relationship with them was, I suspect things would have been far worse had that been the case. Yes, on the one hand I'm grateful it wasn't and I know I got very lucky; but on the other I can't say it doesn't sting.
The evangelicals are, for all intents and purposes, trying to tie their kids up in the basement and make them stay there. It's not going to go well, but I'm not about to try and convince them of that when I know they're going to respond as though I'm the monster. Good luck to the kids, and here's hoping they get out with as little pain and misery as possible.
Not many decades ago it was commonly accepted that children were their parents' possessions. It wasn't at all unusual to hear an adult ask a child "Who do you belong to?" In that, as in so many other things, hardcore christers are at least half a century behind the rest of us, clinging to the Ozzie and Harriet past as if it were real and mattered. Their kids are not human beings in their own right but merely mommy and daddy's belongings. And, like cars or electronic gizmos, they're expected to do what their owners want them to do. And when p&m aren't physically present, the remote control should compel the kids to "behave," just like the remote for the smart TV or blu ray player. If your child doesn't do what you want him or her to do, ooh, Jesus will be so pissed at you!
If you want your children to share your beliefs, then show them your beliefs are relevant and valuable. On that note...
Good luck convincing a generation that grew up with handheld supercomputers, connected to an entire world of other handheld supercomputers, that they should base their worldview on a book written by people who'd barely mastered the abacus. But then, you already know how hard it is to make a successful case for your religion- that's why you've turned back to banning books. It's 𝘴𝘰 much easier to make a losing argument stick when you don't allow anyone else into forum.
I didn't even make it through my twelve years of catholic school before I became non-religious. There were just so many things that didn't make any sense at all.
If you feel its VITALLY important your kids stay Evangelical, maybe you shouldn't hate on gays, muslims, liberals etc. so much, eh? Surely your kid's eternal soul is worth the piffling cost of you being outwardly nice to the neighbors you don't inwardly like, eh?
Evangelicals tend to act like their children are their own property rather than independent human people. Parental rights advocates, who trend fundamental religious, demand things that generally aren’t in their children’s best interest, but more in the interests of the parent being the authority over their children. Things like education opportunities, providing healthcare, or abuse deterrents that might challenge their religious beliefs.
The survey might not be a direct correlation of wanting your children to follow your religion and considering your children your property, but it does provide fuel for the hypothesis.
OT
Kevin Seefried, the traitor at the Jan. 6 Capitol insurrection who menaced a black DC police officer with a pole that had a Confederate flag attached to it just got a 3-year prison term.
GOOD!
When I was eight, family friends invited me to attend the Awanas kids club at the Baptist church at the end of our street, a five minute walk. Once I turned ten my parents announced that they were taking me out of Awanas and putting me into their Calvinist denomination's boys club, a formal and joyless knockoff of Boy Scouts. The reason? "We want you to be with *our* boys."
At that moment I understood that it wasn't about being Christian, it was about being a member of their insular denomination. So it had less to do with substance or doctrine and more to do with heritage, tradition, identity, belonging, and handing down some legacy. My parents didn't recognize it at the time but that realization was the turning point toward a swift resistance to their indoctrination. The authoritarian attitude of the church and their "dominee" (pastor) was nullified by my inherent understanding that "I am not your property." I don't need membership in a "sit down and STFU" social club.
𝘐𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘳𝘪𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘴𝘺 𝘱𝘶𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵, 𝘐𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘮 𝘸𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘯'𝘵 𝘦𝘹𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘰𝘥𝘢𝘺 ... 𝘖𝘱𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘴𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘬𝘦𝘱𝘵 𝘐𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘥𝘢𝘺.
-- Yusuf al-Qaradawi, head of the Muslim Brotherhood
And how many evangelicals would LOVE the idea of having a similar statute as a part of their doctrine? My guess would be: A LOT. And as it is, people are moving away from religious faith, INCLUDING the children of evangelicals ... and there is damned little that can be done about that.
The largest (by far) Protestant denomination is the Southern Baptist Convention. The SBC is a MASSIVE real estate empire/political org. run by pimps/human traffickers with more money than most countries. It is imperative one's children be on board when you're the mafia.
OT - Update
𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 𝐭𝐞𝐞𝐧𝐬 𝐰𝐨𝐧’𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐨 𝐫𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐚𝐥 𝐦𝐞𝐧𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐮𝐚𝐥 𝐡𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐨𝐫𝐲 𝐭𝐨 𝐩𝐥𝐚𝐲 𝐬𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐬
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/more-sports/florida-teens-won-t-have-to-reveal-menstrual-history-to-play-sports/ar-AA17hHvt
Free thinking requires thinking. Evangelcals are incapable of thinking, just as they are impervious to facts and reason.
From my very fundamentalist Southern Baptist upbringing, yes, it's more than just the worry that any kid even slightly outside the fold will go to h3ll. It's about honestly believing that anyone with different beliefs isn't just wrong, but willfully and intentionally working against Jesus/God and the good of the human race as a whole. At the end of the day, so many Christians really do think that anyone who isn't, at bare minimum, a believer in Christ is a monster that must be destroyed in the most uncompromising of terms. (Do I need to point out how that might reflect on the parent?)
These parents aren't just afraid for their kids, they're also terrified that whatever their non-believing kids might do will be held against them. Why do you think so many of them throw out their LGBTQ+ kids? They'll claim the tough love thing, sure, but it's also an attempt to divorce themselves from the responsibility of having raised kids that aren't 'straight, like God intended'. I cannot tell you the number of times I've wondered how my parents would have responded had I told them I wasn't straight; and as broken as my relationship with them was, I suspect things would have been far worse had that been the case. Yes, on the one hand I'm grateful it wasn't and I know I got very lucky; but on the other I can't say it doesn't sting.
The evangelicals are, for all intents and purposes, trying to tie their kids up in the basement and make them stay there. It's not going to go well, but I'm not about to try and convince them of that when I know they're going to respond as though I'm the monster. Good luck to the kids, and here's hoping they get out with as little pain and misery as possible.
O/T: Outrageous! U.S. Navy orders commanders to implement a “religious test” for all sailors!
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/9/2152021/-Outrageous-U-S-Navy-orders-commanders-to-implement-a-religious-test-for-all-sailors?utm_campaign=trending
As if they want badly to dishonor the Constitution more than ever.
Link: https://god.dailydot.com/chick-fil-a-meatless-sandwich/
Chik-fil-A announces new meatless burger, and the right-wingers has reacted predictably.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ae229328a6cdd15df461aa9dedfcadf6a51e65c82f9de58cdf0a43a8ff534f14.gif
OT: How can the creator of such wonderful characters and story be so damned wrong?
I love how she pointed to her trans "friend" to try to establish she wasn't anti-trans
https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2020/07/j-k-rowling-compares-transgender-hormone-therapy-to-gay-conversion-therapy/
Not many decades ago it was commonly accepted that children were their parents' possessions. It wasn't at all unusual to hear an adult ask a child "Who do you belong to?" In that, as in so many other things, hardcore christers are at least half a century behind the rest of us, clinging to the Ozzie and Harriet past as if it were real and mattered. Their kids are not human beings in their own right but merely mommy and daddy's belongings. And, like cars or electronic gizmos, they're expected to do what their owners want them to do. And when p&m aren't physically present, the remote control should compel the kids to "behave," just like the remote for the smart TV or blu ray player. If your child doesn't do what you want him or her to do, ooh, Jesus will be so pissed at you!
OT but Darwin award winner here:
Lawyer dies after his hidden gun goes off during MRI scan
https://news.yahoo.com/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html