I'm okay with them running their own (unsubsidized) facilities where they don't offer all services. I just think the Fed and states should be providing sufficient *public* beds/healthcare facilities so that "the private religious option" remains exactly that: optional. IMO tax dollars should go to these public facilities, or at least be limited to public + subsidizing private organizations that abide by all federal and state terms on what is provided, to whom. In no way should tax dollars go to facilities that discriminate against some members of the tax-paying public or fail to abide by state requirements on care. Schools should work the same way.
Bishops are going to block trans-affirming care at Catholic hospitals. Because of course they are. If it doesn't involve getting their hands on children's bodies they don't give a shit.
So much for being pro-life. What utter bullshit that claim is.
My insurance is in network for a religious hospital chain that doesn’t have a religious name, but does advertise religion all over its hospitals and clinics. I have heard that it was known to deny anesthesia during labor in the past, but it doesn’t anymore maybe. Because of religious beliefs.
Other non-religious hospitals in the area are out of network for my insurance, which sucks.
In another state I have been refused birth control care because the only healthcare in town was religious based.
This is not healthcare, it is religious proselytizing through limited access to healthcare.
I do not belong to your little book club, your rules do not apply to me. If your rules interfere in providing best medical practices, you should not be in the medical field, no matter how much money you have.
Speaking of money. The RCC has plenty of cash to buy up hospitals, but cries poverty when it comes to taking responsibility for their crimes. Sounds about Christian. Running hospitals is only about enforcing their rigid, ignorant policies on everyone and not about helping people or even about bringing people to Jesus. You can’t find God after you’re dead.
I really hate the RCC for good reason and every time they do something new, I’ve got another reason to hate them more.
In the late 19th century, the lower Mississippi River Valley was choked with Yellow Fever. Memphis lost so many people that the city surrendered its charter. This created the opportunity for a mission of mercy for many orders of nuns. St Joseph Hospital was established at this time. St. Joseph aspirin, and St. Jude were incubated here.
Across the river, Olivetine Benedictine nuns established the first hospital in the wilds of NE Arkansas.
Today, that mission hospital is a regional behemoth, that is a major local business. My grandsons were born there.
We however have an equally large regional hospital that is part of a Memphis health system. Unfortunately, this one is owned by the Southern Baptist Church! They are mostly secular, and have no problem with any kind of birth control. Can you imagine being so dogmatic that even Baptists look progressive?
Luckily for the children that go there, St. Jude CRH is not a Catholic hospital, though it's founder was a Catholic and claimed his faith inspired him.
Here in Berkeley/Oakland, California, one of the biggest health systems, Sutter, is run by the Mormons. I was shocked to find this out. I only found out when, just before the pandemic started, Sutter was talking about closing Berkeley's community hospital (which they now own), got major pushback from the community, and a tech told me casually, "Yeah, Sutter's owned by the Mormons." Nothing on any website even mentions this. Over 90 percent of the babies born in Berkeley are born at that community hospital, and it's the only ER in town.
No mention of Club Mo involvement with Sutter here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutter_Health. Would be interested to see your statement verified. Maybe the CEO is a Mormon, but 'run by Mormons' is a whole 'nother thang.
As I said, this was according to a worker at the Berkeley hospital, when Sutter was planning to shut down the hospital. It was common knowledge at the time, at least among people who worked there. And, yes, that surprised me as well.
I really just don't know why we allow religious institutions to run medical facilities of any kind. The RCC's track record in medicine is dubious at best and it's been obvious for years (centuries?) that their religious doctrines do not play nicely with sound medical ethics and practices. So far as I can tell, the RCC has never had the best interest of the patient in mind and has zero interest in changing that for any reason.
These directives make it very clear: the RCC is using these medical facilities to push its own doctrines on everyone else because it has the ability to do so and nobody is stopping them. They've carved out exceptions to the laws in many areas to be able to continue practicing 'medicine' the way they want without having to worry about ugly consequences, too. I am left with only one possible solution: get religion out of medicine in all forms; and as soon as I figure out a way to make it happen, I'll be sure to share. Until that happens, all I can say is vote more often.
OF COURSE Catholic hospitals are blocking trans-supportive care. While the article doesn't mention it, I have no doubt but that, to the Catholic Church, there are only TWO genders, and that assertion is purely based in physiology, with NO consideration of the individual's psychology. This kind of simplistic approach to physical and mental care is precisely the kind of behavior which will drive more trans people to extreme actions, including suicide.
What this makes even more clear than it was before is that the Catholic Church and by extension, Catholic hospitals, care far more about DOGMA than they do about THEIR PATIENTS.
Robert Bowers, the gunman who killed 11 people in the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, had his killing spree labelled by Wikipedia as "an anti-Semitic terrorist attack" (see Wikipedia's "Pittsburgh synagogue shooting").
Well, Wikipedia calls the Pulse nightclub shooter a terrorist (who mentioned the U.S. involvement in the ME as a cause), but not the Club Q shooter. No, they are now claiming to be non-binary, though there appears to be no indication that they ever claimed so before the shooting.
I remember him making that claim right after the shooting. Nobody bought it then, and I doubt anyone does now. No one with a functioning brain, anyway.
I don't know as some have said "Killing me will never kill that you hate in yourself." Maybe he was trying to prove that wrong. Of course, most likely, it is a cynical attempt to garner sympathy from the LGBT community.
Once in a while good things really do happen here in Pittsburgh, the outcome of this trial being a prime example. As I mentioned back when the massacre happened, the Tree of Life is about five minutes from me, and I know several of the congregants (thankfully, not victims). The brother-in-law of a good friend of mine is a rabbi there. I couldn't be happier at the verdict.
“The March 20 doctrinal note argues that gender-affirming medical treatments — which may include hormonal therapies and surgical procedures — are "injurious to the true flourishing of the human person," “
But I’m sure that plastic surgery for breast augmentation or elective rhinoplasty or what have you are fine.
Hormone therapies and gender-affirming surgeries are "injurious to the true flourishing of the human person," the bishops said. This is exactly why people have gender-affirming surgeries and therapies because as nature made them is "injurious to the true flourishing of the human person.
How about cleft palate surgery? Club foot surgery? Congenital heart defect corrective surgery? Any of the other medical interventions that fix Yahweh's fuck-ups? Maybe the magic users should focus on fixing their own pedophilia problems.....
Damn them all to their hell. The biggest problem here is in many states or areas of a state they are the only game in town. Peace Health in Oregon is the dominate healthcare here, including clinics, doctors and NP and PA's offices. I worked in healthcare for almost 50 years, they have been buying up hospitals for a very long time and imposing their beliefs on their patients. They have even ignored Medical Power of Attorney which gives the patient's wishes. They should only be able to have one hospital in an area where there are others and people have a choice. Why they are allowed to practice medicine with their religious bent is due to our courts and the fact that they like all hospitals are self-regulated. They should do to hospitals the same thing they did to blood banks starting in 1994 and regulate them via the FDA. And if they don't comply put them under a court ordered Consent Degree. I know I am not the only one tired of politicians and clergy practicing medicine.
Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers that led to a landmark SCOTUS decision on press freedoms and pissed off the Nixon admin (which led to that admin's series of Nixon-OKd dirty tricks and burglaries that culminated in Watergate), has died today at 92.
Religoius institutions should not be involved in healthcare, especially the Catholic Church.
I'm okay with them running their own (unsubsidized) facilities where they don't offer all services. I just think the Fed and states should be providing sufficient *public* beds/healthcare facilities so that "the private religious option" remains exactly that: optional. IMO tax dollars should go to these public facilities, or at least be limited to public + subsidizing private organizations that abide by all federal and state terms on what is provided, to whom. In no way should tax dollars go to facilities that discriminate against some members of the tax-paying public or fail to abide by state requirements on care. Schools should work the same way.
Bishops are going to block trans-affirming care at Catholic hospitals. Because of course they are. If it doesn't involve getting their hands on children's bodies they don't give a shit.
So much for being pro-life. What utter bullshit that claim is.
They value THEIR lives. How dare you expect more ?
Jesus told people that if they loved their own lives more than they loved him, they could not be his disciple.
There's also that bit where Jesus says "He who loves his life will lose it."
At his point I'd say Jesus and his pronouncements mean as little to the American religious establishment as, oh, the lives of trans people.
Um, we all lose our lives. If you're lucky, you'll be missed when you're gone.
Think Jesse was talking about tossing people into the hot place at the end of the ride on Earth.
I always thought you took a few decades to rest (or maybe it's waiting in line) and then getting on the ride again (maybe somewhere besides Earth)
Purgatory? Catholics only.
Somewhere besides Earth? Kolob, maybe?
"I'm not afraid of death; I just don't want to be there when it happens."
Woody Allen
What if we just really, really like it? 😉
My insurance is in network for a religious hospital chain that doesn’t have a religious name, but does advertise religion all over its hospitals and clinics. I have heard that it was known to deny anesthesia during labor in the past, but it doesn’t anymore maybe. Because of religious beliefs.
Other non-religious hospitals in the area are out of network for my insurance, which sucks.
In another state I have been refused birth control care because the only healthcare in town was religious based.
This is not healthcare, it is religious proselytizing through limited access to healthcare.
I do not belong to your little book club, your rules do not apply to me. If your rules interfere in providing best medical practices, you should not be in the medical field, no matter how much money you have.
Speaking of money. The RCC has plenty of cash to buy up hospitals, but cries poverty when it comes to taking responsibility for their crimes. Sounds about Christian. Running hospitals is only about enforcing their rigid, ignorant policies on everyone and not about helping people or even about bringing people to Jesus. You can’t find God after you’re dead.
I really hate the RCC for good reason and every time they do something new, I’ve got another reason to hate them more.
In the late 19th century, the lower Mississippi River Valley was choked with Yellow Fever. Memphis lost so many people that the city surrendered its charter. This created the opportunity for a mission of mercy for many orders of nuns. St Joseph Hospital was established at this time. St. Joseph aspirin, and St. Jude were incubated here.
Across the river, Olivetine Benedictine nuns established the first hospital in the wilds of NE Arkansas.
Today, that mission hospital is a regional behemoth, that is a major local business. My grandsons were born there.
We however have an equally large regional hospital that is part of a Memphis health system. Unfortunately, this one is owned by the Southern Baptist Church! They are mostly secular, and have no problem with any kind of birth control. Can you imagine being so dogmatic that even Baptists look progressive?
Luckily for the children that go there, St. Jude CRH is not a Catholic hospital, though it's founder was a Catholic and claimed his faith inspired him.
Here in Berkeley/Oakland, California, one of the biggest health systems, Sutter, is run by the Mormons. I was shocked to find this out. I only found out when, just before the pandemic started, Sutter was talking about closing Berkeley's community hospital (which they now own), got major pushback from the community, and a tech told me casually, "Yeah, Sutter's owned by the Mormons." Nothing on any website even mentions this. Over 90 percent of the babies born in Berkeley are born at that community hospital, and it's the only ER in town.
No mention of Club Mo involvement with Sutter here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutter_Health. Would be interested to see your statement verified. Maybe the CEO is a Mormon, but 'run by Mormons' is a whole 'nother thang.
As I said, this was according to a worker at the Berkeley hospital, when Sutter was planning to shut down the hospital. It was common knowledge at the time, at least among people who worked there. And, yes, that surprised me as well.
Now University of Utah--THAT is 'run by Mormons.' As is every other institution in Utah. And parts of ID, NV and AZ.
Stand them next to the Catholic church and Alley Oop and Eegah look progressive.
And this is why churches shouldn't run hospitals -- especially in regions where they are the ONLY hospital available to working class people.
I really just don't know why we allow religious institutions to run medical facilities of any kind. The RCC's track record in medicine is dubious at best and it's been obvious for years (centuries?) that their religious doctrines do not play nicely with sound medical ethics and practices. So far as I can tell, the RCC has never had the best interest of the patient in mind and has zero interest in changing that for any reason.
These directives make it very clear: the RCC is using these medical facilities to push its own doctrines on everyone else because it has the ability to do so and nobody is stopping them. They've carved out exceptions to the laws in many areas to be able to continue practicing 'medicine' the way they want without having to worry about ugly consequences, too. I am left with only one possible solution: get religion out of medicine in all forms; and as soon as I figure out a way to make it happen, I'll be sure to share. Until that happens, all I can say is vote more often.
Ireland is on the right path.
And likely spurred on by that HORRENDOUS [lack of] abortion case that resulted in the death of the pregnant woman.
Savita Halappanavar, a non christian woman, may she never be forgotten.
After decades of religious strife they are pretty much soured on religious superstition.
How I WISH that were the case here in Murica.
That's the shitty part of this. Innocent people, sometimes lots of innocent people, have to die before any meaningful reform is even considered.
My own husband is now prediabetic.
Yep. Abandoning religion faster than any other nation on Earth, except for Vietnam.
Mostly Buddhist there right?
55% Buddhist. The rest is divided between Taoism, Confucianism and Catholicism.
There's also Cao Di, which combines all 4.
"There's also Cao Di, which combines all 4"
Mary Lou Retton has nothing on those gymnastics.
I like their pubs!
According to their own religious lore:
Their own God is non-binary.
Mary is an impregnated virgin via a sexual surrogate, only identified as the "holy ghost".
Jesus is also a virgin and self-monogamous ~ having had no experience with sexual intercourse at all.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness".
Pronoun troubles.
When the house is rocking don't bother knocking....
OF COURSE Catholic hospitals are blocking trans-supportive care. While the article doesn't mention it, I have no doubt but that, to the Catholic Church, there are only TWO genders, and that assertion is purely based in physiology, with NO consideration of the individual's psychology. This kind of simplistic approach to physical and mental care is precisely the kind of behavior which will drive more trans people to extreme actions, including suicide.
What this makes even more clear than it was before is that the Catholic Church and by extension, Catholic hospitals, care far more about DOGMA than they do about THEIR PATIENTS.
Look, it's got the Catholic Church helping out the Nazis and everything- 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘸𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘪𝘵 𝘢 𝘧𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘨𝘦𝘯𝘰𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘺𝘦𝘵?
We can't even get them to call textbook terrorists, terrorists.
The last person who tried coming close to calling it a genocide was expelled from her legislature.
There'll be a Dial-a-Death-Squad hotline before most of the media establishment in this shithole country catches a clue.
As much as that idea scares the living daylights out of me, I'm afraid you're right.
Robert Bowers, the gunman who killed 11 people in the Tree of Life synagogue in Pittsburgh, had his killing spree labelled by Wikipedia as "an anti-Semitic terrorist attack" (see Wikipedia's "Pittsburgh synagogue shooting").
Bowers was convicted on all 63 federal charges.
Well, Wikipedia calls the Pulse nightclub shooter a terrorist (who mentioned the U.S. involvement in the ME as a cause), but not the Club Q shooter. No, they are now claiming to be non-binary, though there appears to be no indication that they ever claimed so before the shooting.
I remember him making that claim right after the shooting. Nobody bought it then, and I doubt anyone does now. No one with a functioning brain, anyway.
I don't know as some have said "Killing me will never kill that you hate in yourself." Maybe he was trying to prove that wrong. Of course, most likely, it is a cynical attempt to garner sympathy from the LGBT community.
https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/354436134_1442325253220499_8494035757480929501_n.jpg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=06qyuhpY47IAX9KSKhj&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=00_AfCeYoWpimMICcjLm2UxndginO4qm0MReDovbKszasOPSw&oe=64920ADC
Once in a while good things really do happen here in Pittsburgh, the outcome of this trial being a prime example. As I mentioned back when the massacre happened, the Tree of Life is about five minutes from me, and I know several of the congregants (thankfully, not victims). The brother-in-law of a good friend of mine is a rabbi there. I couldn't be happier at the verdict.
“The March 20 doctrinal note argues that gender-affirming medical treatments — which may include hormonal therapies and surgical procedures — are "injurious to the true flourishing of the human person," “
But I’m sure that plastic surgery for breast augmentation or elective rhinoplasty or what have you are fine.
Vanity is always fine.
"Vanity is my favorite sin"
Al Pacino -- Devils Advocate
Hormone therapies and gender-affirming surgeries are "injurious to the true flourishing of the human person," the bishops said. This is exactly why people have gender-affirming surgeries and therapies because as nature made them is "injurious to the true flourishing of the human person.
How about cleft palate surgery? Club foot surgery? Congenital heart defect corrective surgery? Any of the other medical interventions that fix Yahweh's fuck-ups? Maybe the magic users should focus on fixing their own pedophilia problems.....
But child rape is a blessed scrament.
Hypocrites first removing the plank/log/beam from their own eyes, one might say.
Wonder who expressed that notion. Starts with a "J."
Joe King ?
Wasn't me, but I approve.
Are you sure about that? Better ask Indiana Jones.
John Garfield?
He was real. My J never was.
Jerry Springer?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRcfDmkrhAI
Wonder if trump got bone spur surgery?
Any surgery yo correct myopia.
"Our God doesn't make mistakes." Except for letting christianity survive for two millennia, that is.
If the human body isn't a mistake, God needs remedial engineering 101 from an a community college.
My creaking, arthritic joints and paralyzed neck and shoulders all agree with you. The human body is only slightly less improbable than a platypus.
My back attests to a not so good designer... And of course I recently had my floaters removed in one eye... Thanks God..
"Our God doesn't make mistakes."
Their own scripture says their deity regretted making Man (Genesis 6:6). You know what happened next.
Damn them all to their hell. The biggest problem here is in many states or areas of a state they are the only game in town. Peace Health in Oregon is the dominate healthcare here, including clinics, doctors and NP and PA's offices. I worked in healthcare for almost 50 years, they have been buying up hospitals for a very long time and imposing their beliefs on their patients. They have even ignored Medical Power of Attorney which gives the patient's wishes. They should only be able to have one hospital in an area where there are others and people have a choice. Why they are allowed to practice medicine with their religious bent is due to our courts and the fact that they like all hospitals are self-regulated. They should do to hospitals the same thing they did to blood banks starting in 1994 and regulate them via the FDA. And if they don't comply put them under a court ordered Consent Degree. I know I am not the only one tired of politicians and clergy practicing medicine.
Q: Do you know what they call a couple that religiously uses Natural Family Planning?
A: Parents.
CATHOLIC parents.
Of a whole slew of kids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
That never gets old for me. 😊
OT
Daniel Ellsberg, the man who leaked the Pentagon Papers that led to a landmark SCOTUS decision on press freedoms and pissed off the Nixon admin (which led to that admin's series of Nixon-OKd dirty tricks and burglaries that culminated in Watergate), has died today at 92.
He was a real American hero. A sad loss.
Indeed.
I'm hearing the Budweiser song, Real men of genius..
https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2023/06/daniel-ellsberg
An interesting take here.
Wish there were many, many more like him.
Unlike a person who leaves the world a better place for their passing (Pat Robertson), Ellsberg's passing leaves the world poorer.
Why the RCC should not be involved in healthcare...
Two words: Mother Teresa.
Was her "sainthood" because of the suffering she caused, or did they just see that as a bonus?
Suffering is beautiful. She said so (not hers, of course. Off to Europe and America to get top-flight medical treatment for herself).
I repeat: She should have been cannonized, not canonized.
That old broad. Had about as much integrity as you can get into the left eye of a blind mosquito.
FB.
Comparing her to a female dog is insulting...to the dog.
Who could possibly have wanted to fuck her?
Pat Robertson?
Kenneth Copeland?
I said Pat because I was thinking one zombie to another. Ken just looks creepy not dead.
I figured that was the reason you said Robertson :)
Dopeland's been dead for years (especially mentally and morally). He was replaced by a poorly-constructed simulacrum.
Pink jelly brain lady.
Jimmy Swaggert
"I have sinned............ Again and again"