It looks like the Bible Society follows the same methods as Sensei. Finds a single, small data set and latch on to it for dear life because it says what they want to hear.
Who is surprised the truth is different from what Bible thumpers claim it is? Certainly not I.
"a brand new report from the Bible Society in which the group pretends their conclusions are still true even if the data backing it up is no longer reliable" so they never actually cared about good data for the sake of truth. They just saw it as true because it aligned with the beliefs they wanted to hold. Imagine that.
Atheist and agnostics are not “hostile“ to Christianity. The hostility is toward Christians who would force their views on others and insist on behavior consistent with their views, regardless of the beliefs of others. Also, I watch father David on YouTube most days because I agree so much with his social views. I haven’t been inside a church for over 15 years.
"Well, that’s the subject of a brand new report from the Bible Society in which the group pretends their conclusions are still true even if the data backing it up is no longer reliable."
Why does the comment from the Bible Society sound like a current United States President, e.g. "I'm right because I said I'm right; and any other data to the contrary is FAKE NEWS."
Bible Society of Great Britain: you're going to have to do better than that. A LOT better.
“A growing minority—especially men—are searching for the solid foundations on which to build a new and very different future.”
This, I can believe. But it’s not a very different future, it’s a future they were promised in their childhood that isn’t going to happen anymore. The young men might be open to Christianity for the same reasons they are being radicalized by the manosphere, the world has stopped praising their mediocrity and expects them to perform.
The church promises them someone to rule over, complimentarianism. It gives them power, and divinity just for being men. Tells them they’re the pinnacle of humanity, and even superior to men of other colors and religions. Because the rest of the world is passing them by at lightning speed. The entire merit based system they’re trying to pass by dropping all DEI and push women out of the workplace (think tradwives) is all a reaction to being surpassed by women and people of color in education, job performance, and all other aspects, except earnings. The church still tells them they’re grrrreeeeaaaat.
Then there’s the celebrities that keep finding Jesus… as they are preparing to defend against credible accusations of sexual misconduct. Or just the athletes with CTE converting to protect their wealth.
And isn’t there evidence that the Heritage Foundation is funding and building the manosphere just so they can grow their support for the fascist takeover.
I don’t think the growth in religiosity of young men (or even the manosphere) is all that large, it is just that they can be dangerous in small numbers. Especially the dudes following manosphere manipulation.
Or, more likely, NO data. Superstitions and hallucinations do NOT amount to data, particularly if they are not consistent or repeatable. Any good lab technician can tell you that.
Sadly, the authors of the bible didn't have lab technicians to correct their glaring mistakes!
YouGov is an outfit that pays you to take surveys. That alone should be enough to not trust their data. Self selecting broke young adults who can lie on the internet cranking out surveys? That'll do it.
Not surprising the Christians cherry-picked the data, drew their own conclusions, and pushed a bunch of BS as "fact". It's kind of what they do, honestly.
Believers gotta believe, and religious sects are very prone to confirmation bias. It doesn’t take much to convince them of a proposition just as long as it’s what they want to hear. If they see a return to church as beneficial to society, then I would suggest they spend more time studying history, and less time on the Bible. Churches, like all bureaucratic institutions are always going to be focused on self-preservation.
Strength in numbers, I suppose. A huge reluctance to admit that they have little to nothing to offer young people. A resistance to change.
I don't see the numbers as a bad thing. I also don't believe in a God that will set people on fire for all eternity, so maybe that's why. I also know that people can be good and moral without belief in God or gods. In fact, anecdotally, I would say that people are generally better morally without such belief because too many believers conform God or gods to their own prejudices. ("God is an American!")
Also, maybe because historically, Christianity didn't replace Judaism. Islam didn't replace them both. Hinduism never replaced Buddhism. Now maybe something will come along to fill the void... an agnostic theistic humanism... or maybe not. But it's not like Christianity will be gone if that's your faith. It just won't have access to the same level of influence and power and frankly, that is a good thing.
It looks like the Bible Society follows the same methods as Sensei. Finds a single, small data set and latch on to it for dear life because it says what they want to hear.
Who is surprised the truth is different from what Bible thumpers claim it is? Certainly not I.
"a brand new report from the Bible Society in which the group pretends their conclusions are still true even if the data backing it up is no longer reliable" so they never actually cared about good data for the sake of truth. They just saw it as true because it aligned with the beliefs they wanted to hold. Imagine that.
The hypocrisy of faith in a nutshell.
Atheist and agnostics are not “hostile“ to Christianity. The hostility is toward Christians who would force their views on others and insist on behavior consistent with their views, regardless of the beliefs of others. Also, I watch father David on YouTube most days because I agree so much with his social views. I haven’t been inside a church for over 15 years.
"Well, that’s the subject of a brand new report from the Bible Society in which the group pretends their conclusions are still true even if the data backing it up is no longer reliable."
Why does the comment from the Bible Society sound like a current United States President, e.g. "I'm right because I said I'm right; and any other data to the contrary is FAKE NEWS."
Bible Society of Great Britain: you're going to have to do better than that. A LOT better.
Maybe they can graduate to real fakeS instead of fake fakes.
Religion itself is a bad idea.
“A growing minority—especially men—are searching for the solid foundations on which to build a new and very different future.”
This, I can believe. But it’s not a very different future, it’s a future they were promised in their childhood that isn’t going to happen anymore. The young men might be open to Christianity for the same reasons they are being radicalized by the manosphere, the world has stopped praising their mediocrity and expects them to perform.
The church promises them someone to rule over, complimentarianism. It gives them power, and divinity just for being men. Tells them they’re the pinnacle of humanity, and even superior to men of other colors and religions. Because the rest of the world is passing them by at lightning speed. The entire merit based system they’re trying to pass by dropping all DEI and push women out of the workplace (think tradwives) is all a reaction to being surpassed by women and people of color in education, job performance, and all other aspects, except earnings. The church still tells them they’re grrrreeeeaaaat.
Then there’s the celebrities that keep finding Jesus… as they are preparing to defend against credible accusations of sexual misconduct. Or just the athletes with CTE converting to protect their wealth.
And isn’t there evidence that the Heritage Foundation is funding and building the manosphere just so they can grow their support for the fascist takeover.
I don’t think the growth in religiosity of young men (or even the manosphere) is all that large, it is just that they can be dangerous in small numbers. Especially the dudes following manosphere manipulation.
Conclusions and themes based on false data ... sounds pretty biblical to me.
Precisely.
And themes that they refuse to adjust/abandon. Their faith shaded glasses are on full power.
To the folks at the Bible Society...
"The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy."
-- Proverbs 12:22
Faith is based on bad data.
If it weren't for bad data they'd have no data at all.
Or, more likely, NO data. Superstitions and hallucinations do NOT amount to data, particularly if they are not consistent or repeatable. Any good lab technician can tell you that.
Sadly, the authors of the bible didn't have lab technicians to correct their glaring mistakes!
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑣𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑌𝑜𝑢𝐺𝑜𝑣 𝑤𝑎𝑠 “𝑓𝑎𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑦” 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 “𝑛𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑠𝑐𝑎𝑝𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝐵𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛.”
YouGov is an outfit that pays you to take surveys. That alone should be enough to not trust their data. Self selecting broke young adults who can lie on the internet cranking out surveys? That'll do it.
I didn't know that. Thank you.
"Challenges remain for the Church and civic society in responding to this Quiet Revival, but its reality can no longer be denied."
Looking at your beliefs, you're not even remotely qualified to speak about reality.
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Not surprising the Christians cherry-picked the data, drew their own conclusions, and pushed a bunch of BS as "fact". It's kind of what they do, honestly.
True, but in reverse. They draw their conclusions first, then cherry-pick the data.
"UK-based Bible Society admits claim of God's existence was based on bad data." Isn't it time for that headline? Please?
Believers gotta believe, and religious sects are very prone to confirmation bias. It doesn’t take much to convince them of a proposition just as long as it’s what they want to hear. If they see a return to church as beneficial to society, then I would suggest they spend more time studying history, and less time on the Bible. Churches, like all bureaucratic institutions are always going to be focused on self-preservation.
A quiet lie that's raising volumes only to end up becoming exposed as a major, made-up, noisy lie. Got it.
They wanted to believe it was true.
Strength in numbers, I suppose. A huge reluctance to admit that they have little to nothing to offer young people. A resistance to change.
I don't see the numbers as a bad thing. I also don't believe in a God that will set people on fire for all eternity, so maybe that's why. I also know that people can be good and moral without belief in God or gods. In fact, anecdotally, I would say that people are generally better morally without such belief because too many believers conform God or gods to their own prejudices. ("God is an American!")
Also, maybe because historically, Christianity didn't replace Judaism. Islam didn't replace them both. Hinduism never replaced Buddhism. Now maybe something will come along to fill the void... an agnostic theistic humanism... or maybe not. But it's not like Christianity will be gone if that's your faith. It just won't have access to the same level of influence and power and frankly, that is a good thing.
𝐴𝑟𝑔𝑢𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑢𝑚 𝑎𝑑 𝑝𝑜𝑝𝑢𝑙𝑢𝑚 is just one more fallacy that Christians attempt to foist on others to "prove" their point. Problem is, we ain't havin' any!