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Joe King's avatar

𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑢𝑟𝑣𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑌𝑜𝑢𝐺𝑜𝑣 𝑤𝑎𝑠 “𝑓𝑎𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑦” 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 “𝑛𝑜 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑟𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑠𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑐𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑏𝑜𝑢𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑙𝑎𝑛𝑑𝑠𝑐𝑎𝑝𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝐵𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛.”

YouGov is an outfit that pays you to take surveys. That alone should be enough to not trust their data. Self selecting broke young adults who can lie on the internet cranking out surveys? That'll do it.

Nevoustrumpezpas's avatar

I'm wondering if they've done any polling on T****'s "popularity" and how that compares with reliable polls.

David Graf's avatar

I didn't know that. Thank you.

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

It looks like the Bible Society follows the same methods as Sensei. Finds a single, small data set and latch on to it for dear life because it says what they want to hear.

Who is surprised the truth is different from what Bible thumpers claim it is? Certainly not I.

Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

“A growing minority—especially men—are searching for the solid foundations on which to build a new and very different future.”

This, I can believe. But it’s not a very different future, it’s a future they were promised in their childhood that isn’t going to happen anymore. The young men might be open to Christianity for the same reasons they are being radicalized by the manosphere, the world has stopped praising their mediocrity and expects them to perform.

The church promises them someone to rule over, complimentarianism. It gives them power, and divinity just for being men. Tells them they’re the pinnacle of humanity, and even superior to men of other colors and religions. Because the rest of the world is passing them by at lightning speed. The entire merit based system they’re trying to pass by dropping all DEI and push women out of the workplace (think tradwives) is all a reaction to being surpassed by women and people of color in education, job performance, and all other aspects, except earnings. The church still tells them they’re grrrreeeeaaaat.

Then there’s the celebrities that keep finding Jesus… as they are preparing to defend against credible accusations of sexual misconduct. Or just the athletes with CTE converting to protect their wealth.

And isn’t there evidence that the Heritage Foundation is funding and building the manosphere just so they can grow their support for the fascist takeover.

I don’t think the growth in religiosity of young men (or even the manosphere) is all that large, it is just that they can be dangerous in small numbers. Especially the dudes following manosphere manipulation.

Becky Wiren's avatar

It's sad. White Christian men just don't know how to treat people who are different. And then expect to be celebrated for their mediocrity. Oh, and I love men, my 3 favorite people are my husband, and both adult sons. But honestly, there are men who feel abandoned, and then there are the ones who did make it with mediocrity. (Think Chris Cillizza.)

I'm so damn tired of it all. And with my husband's health and mine, it's about all we can do to donate to worthy humanitarian and political causes. Goddammit, it is so much more fucking EASY to be kind and help others!!

Maltnothops's avatar

I served on a grad school admissions committee one year. We had a shorthand designation of AWG, which meant Average White Guy. A lot of applicants were AWGs.

ericc's avatar

𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑜𝑟𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑖𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑚𝑒𝑑𝑖𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚

Maybe for some. But I'm guessing there's a whole passel of young men who are perfectly capable of *work* performance but utterly incompetent at *relationship* performance, and they're getting drawn in with the promise of all their relationship troubles being taken away.

Because every kid is on their phone now. Internet. Much less practice at face to face interaction and dating. Which, even when it goes bad, gives you some practice at relationships. I worry greatly that many Z's and alphas aren't getting enough 'dating practice' to become good at relationships. Or maybe it's better to say: they get good at it slower and later than previous generations, because they do less of it year on year.

Crowscage's avatar

That is the gilead traitor playbook.

Mark Carpenter's avatar

"Well, that’s the subject of a brand new report from the Bible Society in which the group pretends their conclusions are still true even if the data backing it up is no longer reliable."

Why does the comment from the Bible Society sound like a current United States President, e.g. "I'm right because I said I'm right; and any other data to the contrary is FAKE NEWS."

Bible Society of Great Britain: you're going to have to do better than that. A LOT better.

Bensnewlogin's avatar

Maybe they can graduate to real fakeS instead of fake fakes.

Twisted Sync's avatar

"a brand new report from the Bible Society in which the group pretends their conclusions are still true even if the data backing it up is no longer reliable" so they never actually cared about good data for the sake of truth. They just saw it as true because it aligned with the beliefs they wanted to hold. Imagine that.

Straw's avatar

They believe anything, sort of the point of religions.

D Schmitt's avatar

The hypocrisy of faith in a nutshell.

larry parker's avatar

Conclusions and themes based on false data ... sounds pretty biblical to me.

D Schmitt's avatar

Precisely.

And themes that they refuse to adjust/abandon. Their faith shaded glasses are on full power.

NOGODZ20's avatar

As if the 5-deferment draft dodging chickenhawk ever knew anything about being "In the Navy." Gay people have served in US armed forces since the Revolution (a war that Trump would have no doubt been a Loyalist in. Sitting safe at home, of course).

Guerillasurgeon's avatar

"Gay people have served in US armed forces since the Revolution"

Not for much longer.

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2026/03/the-lowest-white-man

Incidentally, Trump would have been whatever made him the most money.😁

Claudia's avatar

And isn't there some evidence that one of the revolutionary general was transgender? He's got a Polish name, apologies I can't remember the details but I did read an article that there is some evidence that he was actually female.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Just seeing this. You're thinking of Casimir Pulaski. Possibly intersex or transgender, but no conclusive evidence.

Claudia's avatar

Not that it matters. By all accounts he did his job as a revolutionary general well.

Related to that, have you seen this article? https://newrepublic.substack.com/p/dod-well-take-anyone-for-this-war

Maltnothops's avatar

Baltimore (Maryland, actually) has a Pulaski Highway honoring him.

Sallyfemina's avatar

He's big in Chicago too. Lots of stuff in the US is named for him.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

If I recall correctly the skeleton suggested it.

Joan the Dork's avatar

I'm frankly amazed he understood the lyrics well enough to make that connection in the first place. I mean, it's still stupid as fuck and offensive to anyone who's got the social awareness of a rotten turnip, but... I'm 𝘸𝘢𝘺 more impressed by this than I could ever be by "Person, Woman, Man, Camera, TV." I didn't think he had enough functioning synapses left to manage such a feat!

John Smith's avatar

I willing to bet someone had to tell him about the lyrics and how this could connect with the lgbtqia2s+ community. I doubt he could even understand the lyrics, most people don’t even listen to the lyrics to their favourite song!

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Which is absurd, and why so many people think "American Woman" by the Guess Who, is a compliment, not a major diss.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Until he got his own theme, the late, unlamented Hulk Hogan used "Born in the USA" for his ring entrance music, not realizing Springsteen hadn't penned a patriotic song.

John Smith's avatar

Which of course proves my point that most people don’t listen to the lyrics closely to actually know what they mean!

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Every pinhead that doesn’t comprehend lyrics on the right does that, I remember Bush wanted to use John Mellencamp’s “Little Pink Houses” for a campaign song. He refused of course and explained it was more a protest song than one of praise.

John Smith's avatar

Or they think the song: EVERY BREATH YOU TAKE is a love song, but if you listen to the actual words it is about a guy stalking a woman!

Sallyfemina's avatar

Sting has spent decades pointing this out to people, to no avail. He might have given up by now.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

Yeah, the first time I heard it I thought OMG is he going to stalk then kill her, is he warning her he is mentally ill?

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

At least he acknowledges he stole their anthem.

Alverant's avatar

Thanks. There's a political YouTuber Shorts guy I like. Every person he impersonates gets a musical cue. Trump is him with a towel rapped around his head "dancing" to a few bars of YMCA and I could never figure out the reasoning behind it.

Kay-El's avatar

I believe you’re referring Greg Johnstone. I used to follow him on Instagram until I dumped it. He’s very funny.

Alverant's avatar

Yep, that's him. YouTube finally showed me his videos again after searching for it. When you say "dumped it" I assume you mean Instagram. Here's his YouTube channel if you want to watch him again.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Y5AbkgaeSbs

Sallyfemina's avatar

I'd think the "jerking off two giraffes simultaneously" move he does to it adds to the effect.

The first time I saw that, the combo of the music and the moves made me think "That is the f-iest thing I've ever seen, and I've seen the Folsom Street Parade." Then I mentally chastised myself for even thinking the f-word. It was a gut reaction from my youth, which I thought I'd outgrown by actually having LGBTQA friends.

Bonnie Boyce's avatar

Atheist and agnostics are not “hostile“ to Christianity. The hostility is toward Christians who would force their views on others and insist on behavior consistent with their views, regardless of the beliefs of others. Also, I watch father David on YouTube most days because I agree so much with his social views. I haven’t been inside a church for over 15 years.

Ethereal Fairy's avatar

👆🎯I love the Jimmy Carter type of christian, although they tend to be rather rare.

Alverant's avatar

You may like Rev Ed Trevors too.

As for being "hostile" to Christianity, I don't think you can separate the religion from the followers given what's happened over the centuries. Sure, Christianity has some nice things to say but it's overshadowed by its history of going against those nice things.

NOGODZ20's avatar

To the folks at the Bible Society...

"The Lord detests lying lips, but he delights in people who are trustworthy."

-- Proverbs 12:22

Bensnewlogin's avatar

This whole thing reminds me, even on my first cuppa, of the empty tomb argument. “Well, the tomb was empty! That proves it!” it assumes that there was a tomb, that anybody was ever in it, that the anybody was Jesus, and that he rose the dead.*

There is not a lot of there there. And to start with, I have always understood that Yougov is a survey organization, not a scientific polling organization. And the faults that they admit are in this so-called study simply prove that.

“Because we have an academically trained research team, we were able to interrogate the data rigorously – asking questions about weighting, the possibility of sampling error, panel drift, drop out, response bias and questionnaire effect… YouGov has confirmed that it was impossible for us, as their client, to have been aware of the error.”

Error? There was an error?!?!?!?! That you didn’t officially know of the error does not mean it wasn’t there, or that you weren’t aware of it unofficially. Even I know that yougov is not scientific polling. And apparently, your academically-trained research team didn’t know this even while they were interrogating vigorously. One dead giveaway was the idea that people attending church once a month was a sign of a revival. No, that’s a sign of slightly more interest, and is a pretty low bar to jump over. But not as low bar as “their methodology was sound and it’s not our fault that it turned out not to be sound.”

But here is where they give it all away: “We fight against the excesses of woke ideology. We’re not wrong to do so….The progressive assault on our natural loves is becoming unbearable. The West is being convulsed by an agony born of utopian ambitions for liberation that have curdled into ignoble and debasing failures.” WOKE! UNBEARABLE! It’s all about right wing ideology, control, authoritarianism (as the opposite of liberation) and about, above all, their desire to pretend they are persecuted in their never ending quest for power, money, religious Dominion, and in the age of tRump, Farage, Bolsonaro, Orban, Putin, Netanyahu...

…. Revenge on every single demographic that has dared to be uppity and challenge their dominion and power.

That is what this story is really about. They are slipping and they know they are slipping. They had a brief hope that maybe they weren’t slipping, but they found out that in fact they are slipping, slipping, and then sllipping some more.

But hey, at least their completely imaginary persecution complex is validated. Jesus still loves them.

*not to mention, the whole thing wasn’t a fabrication made of the same fabric as the shroud of Turin.

Old Man Shadow's avatar

They wanted to believe it was true.

Strength in numbers, I suppose. A huge reluctance to admit that they have little to nothing to offer young people. A resistance to change.

I don't see the numbers as a bad thing. I also don't believe in a God that will set people on fire for all eternity, so maybe that's why. I also know that people can be good and moral without belief in God or gods. In fact, anecdotally, I would say that people are generally better morally without such belief because too many believers conform God or gods to their own prejudices. ("God is an American!")

Also, maybe because historically, Christianity didn't replace Judaism. Islam didn't replace them both. Hinduism never replaced Buddhism. Now maybe something will come along to fill the void... an agnostic theistic humanism... or maybe not. But it's not like Christianity will be gone if that's your faith. It just won't have access to the same level of influence and power and frankly, that is a good thing.

Troublesh00ter's avatar

𝐴𝑟𝑔𝑢𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑢𝑚 𝑎𝑑 𝑝𝑜𝑝𝑢𝑙𝑢𝑚 is just one more fallacy that Christians attempt to foist on others to "prove" their point. Problem is, we ain't havin' any!

Joan the Dork's avatar

The existence of the Trump Presidency- 𝘵𝘸𝘪𝘤𝘦!- should be more than sufficient evidence that the 𝘱𝘰𝘱𝘶𝘭𝘶𝘮 is too fuckin' stupid to be relied on for 𝘢𝘯𝘺 kind of convincing 𝘢𝘳𝘨𝘶𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘶𝘮.

Straw's avatar

You should know by now that TYG/DT is holy and just want everything to work exactly how he want it to. Right?

Boreal's avatar

So their initial claim was "faith based."

NOGODZ20's avatar

Which makes it instantly discardable.

Boreal's avatar

All of their claims are instantly discardable since none are evidence based.

NOGODZ20's avatar

"God's ways are not our ways."

Have you never read your bible? The god that the Abrahamic faiths manufactured acts exactly like humans with all the same faults and flaws. We are even told that we are made in his image after his likeness.

So that notion of the biblical deity not having the same ways as its "creations" displays a rather stunning lack of understanding of its own mythology.

NOGODZ20's avatar

Religion itself is a bad idea.

wreck's avatar

"Challenges remain for the Church and civic society in responding to this Quiet Revival, but its reality can no longer be denied."

Looking at your beliefs, you're not even remotely qualified to speak about reality.

NOGODZ20's avatar

YAY! Welcome back!

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Thank you. I'm back somewhat. My living situation is only a tiny bit better. :(

NOGODZ20's avatar

I spent 5 years staying at a homeless shelter every night. A huge improvement from the streets.

Do you have computers/Internet service at libraries in Florida like we do here?

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Yes. The computers here, at the Barrack Obama Main Library are supposed to be for only two hours. But I discovered that if you move to another computer your get another two hours. I decided to see if it would work on the same 'puter here once the time ran out and the computer restarted. It did. :)

NOGODZ20's avatar

Here, every computer gives you 2 initial hours but also offers infinite extensions that go for 30 additional minutes each extension. You can literally stay connected from opening until closing time.

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Although they have the Devils Panties blocked. :(

Matri's avatar

Here. Can’t reach the comic, but should be able to enter the comic’s discussion: https://disqus.com/home/forum/thedevilspanties/

John Smith's avatar

Welcome back, we all have been thinking about you!

Guerillasurgeon's avatar

We were worried – and there was nothing we could do. There is not so many of the old guard left that we could do without you.

David Graf's avatar

Is there anything we can do for you?

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Do you know anyone with a garage apartment In St. Pete who would let me have it for what I can afford?

David Graf's avatar

I found this link which may be able to get you some help. I hope so. https://www.hud.gov/states/florida

David Graf's avatar

I am sorry but I do not live anywhere near Florida. Is there no help from the state for housing?

Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

This is DeNazi's Floriduh, so not much. Your concern is appreciated.

Die Anyway's avatar

And I've been missing my daily dose of astroporn. 😍

Whitney's avatar

You've been sorely missed, and I'm ever so glad to see you again! Let us know if we can do anything for you.