Whenever you hear complaints about LGBTQ people getting "special treatment, " remember that it's a thinly veiled confession. Special treatment is what the right-wing reactionaries want, for themselves.
LGBT people pay taxes, their tax money should not go toward institutions, organizations, and programs that discriminate and oppress them.
Public schools and public programs such as PSEO must be accessible to all students, no matter the students protected class, be it religion, race, gender, disability or sexual orientation (LGBT status. Yes I know that LGBT is not officially a protected class but the public school system is not allowed to reject any student in the district no matter what). The students are the beneficiaries of the PSEO program, the schools are the providers and as such they are acting as the government entity, the USA government is not allowed to discriminate based on religious dogma or against the protected classes. The Minnesota government is paying the school to provide the public education. The schools are acting as though the PSEO is made to benefit them and not the students. They are not the target beneficiaries. They don’t get to be discriminatory because they are now part of the government, if they want to be discriminatory they can choose not to be part of the government. Too bad so sad.
This kind of reminds me of a case in San Francisco, where a Christian student group whined about being excluded from using school property and facilities. Why? Because they excluded gay students. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Frankly, I'm astonished that Christian schools get ANY consideration at all for inclusion in the PSEO program. That they're willing to include religious schools that don't insist on a statement of faith as a prerequisite for participation flirts with its own State/Church problem. Of course, the two schools filing the lawsuit can't even deal with that level of generosity and predictably want their ice cream with a cherry on top. It's also reasonably clear to me that Minnesota is unlikely to budge an inch in enforcing the requirements stipulated in this program.
Apparently, the University of Northwestern–St. Paul and Crown College can't be bothered to note that there are OTHER religious institutions that are not so stiff-necked about their beliefs and enjoy the benefits of the PSEO program ... but per usual, their insistence on their ideology is more important to them than the good this program might do for their student enrollment.
Gov. Ron DeSantis has fought back against allegations that Florida is banning books, calling it a “hoax.”
“There’s not been a single book banned in the state of Florida,” the Republican said in his May 24 presidential campaign launch on Twitter Spaces. “You can go buy or you can use whatever book you want.”
This type of lie is what I got from consewertives on the TBT forums. One guy would regularly make racist posts; and when called out on it, would vehemently insist that he wasn't a racist. He claimed that since he never actively discriminated against anyone, which I seriously doubt, he couldn't be a racist.
Here is the smallest violin playing for the Christians who play victims as they tear ass across our laws trying ever so hard to foist their beliefs onto everyone. I liken them to the Christian version of the Taliban.
The principled thing would be to forego taking the government's money.
If you're worried about local Christian students "losing" out on a "Christian" education, you could offer participating high school students who will sign the statement of faith free tuition.
“The Supreme Court has consistently and recently affirmed that public benefits that are open to private secular organizations must also be open to religious ones.“
This SCROTUS has recently been deciding for the theocratic supremacy and forcing local and state governments pay to churches despite the federal and state constitutions specifically calling for the opposite, and this SCROTUS has been consistent in doing so. However, this SCROTUS has been consistently and recently been ignoring precedent, the constitution, the will of the people, and lower courts’ rightly decided cases. This SCOTUS is corrupt and has been damaging our country and way of life.
The thing is, the courts are going to find for the state over and over, but these lawyers are going to appeal and appeal until they get to the corrupt SCROTUS and get the decision they’re looking for to make sure we keep taking these horrible steps toward theocracy. Congress needs to do something about the SCROTUS asap. If they ignore the revelations about Thomas, they are complicit in the corruption.
1. (rhetoric) The quality of a statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of, what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, often in a humorous context.
2. Dramatic irony: a theatrical effect in which the meaning of a situation, or some incongruity in the plot, is understood by the audience, but not by the characters in the play.
3. Socratic irony: ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist.
4. (informal) Contradiction between circumstances and expectations; condition contrary to what might be expected. [from the 1640s]
My point is this, it's not irony*, it's legal malfeasance and it should be reported and regarded as such.
*You could make a case for #3 but this is in a legal setting with real consequences for this completely insipid cases. The lawyers should have discipline for frivolous suits.
The concept of equal rights still is too complicated for these evangelical bigots. Sadly, they may win their suit depending on how strict the judge is and how this familiar this person (judge) is with the first Amendment and the establishment clause of our Constitution.
How quickly would these Christian Nationalists reverse their position if the colleges in question decided to be Islamic instead?
Where there is the expectation of privilege, equality will be seen as persecution. The last thing conservative Christians want is equality.
Want access to taxpayer $$$, xtians? Then tell Christian churches to pay their damned taxes (like the church was told to do in Romans 13:6-7).
And stop being bigoted dicks. Makes your claim to be the "Religion of Love" laughable.
Whenever you hear complaints about LGBTQ people getting "special treatment, " remember that it's a thinly veiled confession. Special treatment is what the right-wing reactionaries want, for themselves.
LGBT people pay taxes, their tax money should not go toward institutions, organizations, and programs that discriminate and oppress them.
Public schools and public programs such as PSEO must be accessible to all students, no matter the students protected class, be it religion, race, gender, disability or sexual orientation (LGBT status. Yes I know that LGBT is not officially a protected class but the public school system is not allowed to reject any student in the district no matter what). The students are the beneficiaries of the PSEO program, the schools are the providers and as such they are acting as the government entity, the USA government is not allowed to discriminate based on religious dogma or against the protected classes. The Minnesota government is paying the school to provide the public education. The schools are acting as though the PSEO is made to benefit them and not the students. They are not the target beneficiaries. They don’t get to be discriminatory because they are now part of the government, if they want to be discriminatory they can choose not to be part of the government. Too bad so sad.
Wah! Stop discriminating against us for being bigots! Waaaaaaaaaah!
Suing for the right to discriminate. If people sued for the right to discriminate against Minnesota Christians, how would those Christians react?
Oh, go on. Guess.
This kind of reminds me of a case in San Francisco, where a Christian student group whined about being excluded from using school property and facilities. Why? Because they excluded gay students. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Frankly, I'm astonished that Christian schools get ANY consideration at all for inclusion in the PSEO program. That they're willing to include religious schools that don't insist on a statement of faith as a prerequisite for participation flirts with its own State/Church problem. Of course, the two schools filing the lawsuit can't even deal with that level of generosity and predictably want their ice cream with a cherry on top. It's also reasonably clear to me that Minnesota is unlikely to budge an inch in enforcing the requirements stipulated in this program.
Apparently, the University of Northwestern–St. Paul and Crown College can't be bothered to note that there are OTHER religious institutions that are not so stiff-necked about their beliefs and enjoy the benefits of the PSEO program ... but per usual, their insistence on their ideology is more important to them than the good this program might do for their student enrollment.
Their loss.
Persecution! Oh, wait. Just RWNJs being held to the same standards as everyone else. Again.
OT - DeNazi is a liar, film at eleven.
𝐃𝐞𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 ‘𝐚 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐨𝐤’ 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚. 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐨𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐬.
Gov. Ron DeSantis has fought back against allegations that Florida is banning books, calling it a “hoax.”
“There’s not been a single book banned in the state of Florida,” the Republican said in his May 24 presidential campaign launch on Twitter Spaces. “You can go buy or you can use whatever book you want.”
https://www.wlrn.org/government-politics/2023-06-01/desantis-book-bans-florida-schools
This type of lie is what I got from consewertives on the TBT forums. One guy would regularly make racist posts; and when called out on it, would vehemently insist that he wasn't a racist. He claimed that since he never actively discriminated against anyone, which I seriously doubt, he couldn't be a racist.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5242a5a340c1a705ee99eeb3e3b4ed24be17adc0bf4e5201ec3aa2105eb60875.gif
These people redefine words in such a way; that their bigotry and book bans aren't bigotry and book bans.
Here is the smallest violin playing for the Christians who play victims as they tear ass across our laws trying ever so hard to foist their beliefs onto everyone. I liken them to the Christian version of the Taliban.
The principled thing would be to forego taking the government's money.
If you're worried about local Christian students "losing" out on a "Christian" education, you could offer participating high school students who will sign the statement of faith free tuition.
“The Supreme Court has consistently and recently affirmed that public benefits that are open to private secular organizations must also be open to religious ones.“
This SCROTUS has recently been deciding for the theocratic supremacy and forcing local and state governments pay to churches despite the federal and state constitutions specifically calling for the opposite, and this SCROTUS has been consistent in doing so. However, this SCROTUS has been consistently and recently been ignoring precedent, the constitution, the will of the people, and lower courts’ rightly decided cases. This SCOTUS is corrupt and has been damaging our country and way of life.
The thing is, the courts are going to find for the state over and over, but these lawyers are going to appeal and appeal until they get to the corrupt SCROTUS and get the decision they’re looking for to make sure we keep taking these horrible steps toward theocracy. Congress needs to do something about the SCROTUS asap. If they ignore the revelations about Thomas, they are complicit in the corruption.
Fffffuuuuuuuuuccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!
Irony....
1. (rhetoric) The quality of a statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of, what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, often in a humorous context.
2. Dramatic irony: a theatrical effect in which the meaning of a situation, or some incongruity in the plot, is understood by the audience, but not by the characters in the play.
3. Socratic irony: ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist.
4. (informal) Contradiction between circumstances and expectations; condition contrary to what might be expected. [from the 1640s]
My point is this, it's not irony*, it's legal malfeasance and it should be reported and regarded as such.
*You could make a case for #3 but this is in a legal setting with real consequences for this completely insipid cases. The lawyers should have discipline for frivolous suits.
The concept of equal rights still is too complicated for these evangelical bigots. Sadly, they may win their suit depending on how strict the judge is and how this familiar this person (judge) is with the first Amendment and the establishment clause of our Constitution.