They can talk about their loving Jesus and the glorious after-life from now on, but there is nothing the crave so much as power and control in this world. Power few groups would be more ill-equipped to exercise.
Whenever you hear complaints about LGBTQ people getting "special treatment, " remember that it's a thinly veiled confession. Special treatment is what the right-wing reactionaries want, for themselves.
"Special treatment" being, accepted for who they are. It's not special, it's basic. What all of us want except those rabid christian extremists. "Christianists," if you will.
LGBT people pay taxes, their tax money should not go toward institutions, organizations, and programs that discriminate and oppress them.
Public schools and public programs such as PSEO must be accessible to all students, no matter the students protected class, be it religion, race, gender, disability or sexual orientation (LGBT status. Yes I know that LGBT is not officially a protected class but the public school system is not allowed to reject any student in the district no matter what). The students are the beneficiaries of the PSEO program, the schools are the providers and as such they are acting as the government entity, the USA government is not allowed to discriminate based on religious dogma or against the protected classes. The Minnesota government is paying the school to provide the public education. The schools are acting as though the PSEO is made to benefit them and not the students. They are not the target beneficiaries. They don’t get to be discriminatory because they are now part of the government, if they want to be discriminatory they can choose not to be part of the government. Too bad so sad.
They get free money from the state so it follows they can raise tuition.
Vouchers are stealing from the taxpayers. In no other situation does the state give vouchers for taxpayer funded programs. I can’t get a voucher to help me pay for operating my pool because I don’t use the local pool. Folks don’t get tax money to build swingsets in their yards so they don’t have to go to the parks to play. Street maintenance isn’t doled out by house, police fire and ems are not subject to individual whims. The taxes that go toward public schools are for building and maintaining schools in the district and all members of that community are able to send their children to the school. Everyone pays for the school, not for the students. If someone doesn’t want to use that school they can pay for the private school they choose themselves. If they can’t afford to, then they still have the public school. Funneling money to private schools only make the public schools worse not more competitive. And now we see exactly what happens to the private schools, they raise their tuition to keep their wealthy families and exclude the voucher kids while still defunding the public school. This is what they want to do, keep the lower classes from being educated at all, especially the minorities. Funnel the money out of public schools, make the private schools unreachable except for the wealthy few, leave students without money or with extra needs without any option at all.
This kind of reminds me of a case in San Francisco, where a Christian student group whined about being excluded from using school property and facilities. Why? Because they excluded gay students. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Frankly, I'm astonished that Christian schools get ANY consideration at all for inclusion in the PSEO program. That they're willing to include religious schools that don't insist on a statement of faith as a prerequisite for participation flirts with its own State/Church problem. Of course, the two schools filing the lawsuit can't even deal with that level of generosity and predictably want their ice cream with a cherry on top. It's also reasonably clear to me that Minnesota is unlikely to budge an inch in enforcing the requirements stipulated in this program.
Apparently, the University of Northwestern–St. Paul and Crown College can't be bothered to note that there are OTHER religious institutions that are not so stiff-necked about their beliefs and enjoy the benefits of the PSEO program ... but per usual, their insistence on their ideology is more important to them than the good this program might do for their student enrollment.
Gov. Ron DeSantis has fought back against allegations that Florida is banning books, calling it a “hoax.”
“There’s not been a single book banned in the state of Florida,” the Republican said in his May 24 presidential campaign launch on Twitter Spaces. “You can go buy or you can use whatever book you want.”
This type of lie is what I got from consewertives on the TBT forums. One guy would regularly make racist posts; and when called out on it, would vehemently insist that he wasn't a racist. He claimed that since he never actively discriminated against anyone, which I seriously doubt, he couldn't be a racist.
"When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean." --Humpty Dumpty.
They claim to worship Jesus, but their real messiah is an egg--a broken egg that can't be put together again. If only they were capable of realizing how damn foolish that makes them look.
Here is the smallest violin playing for the Christians who play victims as they tear ass across our laws trying ever so hard to foist their beliefs onto everyone. I liken them to the Christian version of the Taliban.
The principled thing would be to forego taking the government's money.
If you're worried about local Christian students "losing" out on a "Christian" education, you could offer participating high school students who will sign the statement of faith free tuition.
The only "principle" schools like those recognize is whatever they can get away with. They can count themselves lucky they'll wind up with what the littlest piggy got.
“The Supreme Court has consistently and recently affirmed that public benefits that are open to private secular organizations must also be open to religious ones.“
This SCROTUS has recently been deciding for the theocratic supremacy and forcing local and state governments pay to churches despite the federal and state constitutions specifically calling for the opposite, and this SCROTUS has been consistent in doing so. However, this SCROTUS has been consistently and recently been ignoring precedent, the constitution, the will of the people, and lower courts’ rightly decided cases. This SCOTUS is corrupt and has been damaging our country and way of life.
The thing is, the courts are going to find for the state over and over, but these lawyers are going to appeal and appeal until they get to the corrupt SCROTUS and get the decision they’re looking for to make sure we keep taking these horrible steps toward theocracy. Congress needs to do something about the SCROTUS asap. If they ignore the revelations about Thomas, they are complicit in the corruption.
1. (rhetoric) The quality of a statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of, what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, often in a humorous context.
2. Dramatic irony: a theatrical effect in which the meaning of a situation, or some incongruity in the plot, is understood by the audience, but not by the characters in the play.
3. Socratic irony: ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist.
4. (informal) Contradiction between circumstances and expectations; condition contrary to what might be expected. [from the 1640s]
My point is this, it's not irony*, it's legal malfeasance and it should be reported and regarded as such.
*You could make a case for #3 but this is in a legal setting with real consequences for this completely insipid cases. The lawyers should have discipline for frivolous suits.
The concept of equal rights still is too complicated for these evangelical bigots. Sadly, they may win their suit depending on how strict the judge is and how this familiar this person (judge) is with the first Amendment and the establishment clause of our Constitution.
How quickly would these Christian Nationalists reverse their position if the colleges in question decided to be Islamic instead?
Mohammed Mohammed College, Duluth MN.
Where there is the expectation of privilege, equality will be seen as persecution. The last thing conservative Christians want is equality.
That expectation of privilege is what they have been told is freedom. The true freedom that actual equality brings frightens them.
They can talk about their loving Jesus and the glorious after-life from now on, but there is nothing the crave so much as power and control in this world. Power few groups would be more ill-equipped to exercise.
Those who crave power are the least worthy of it.
Thus is Merka! Youcan't havepeople goin' round thinkin' they are as good as their spiritual betters. Chaos will ensue.
CHAOS! Like before god spent his week creating the entire infinite universe.
Want access to taxpayer $$$, xtians? Then tell Christian churches to pay their damned taxes (like the church was told to do in Romans 13:6-7).
And stop being bigoted dicks. Makes your claim to be the "Religion of Love" laughable.
Whenever you hear complaints about LGBTQ people getting "special treatment, " remember that it's a thinly veiled confession. Special treatment is what the right-wing reactionaries want, for themselves.
It was always projection.
"Special treatment" being, accepted for who they are. It's not special, it's basic. What all of us want except those rabid christian extremists. "Christianists," if you will.
Yep.
LGBT people pay taxes, their tax money should not go toward institutions, organizations, and programs that discriminate and oppress them.
Public schools and public programs such as PSEO must be accessible to all students, no matter the students protected class, be it religion, race, gender, disability or sexual orientation (LGBT status. Yes I know that LGBT is not officially a protected class but the public school system is not allowed to reject any student in the district no matter what). The students are the beneficiaries of the PSEO program, the schools are the providers and as such they are acting as the government entity, the USA government is not allowed to discriminate based on religious dogma or against the protected classes. The Minnesota government is paying the school to provide the public education. The schools are acting as though the PSEO is made to benefit them and not the students. They are not the target beneficiaries. They don’t get to be discriminatory because they are now part of the government, if they want to be discriminatory they can choose not to be part of the government. Too bad so sad.
Like Monsignor Robert Gibbons, they think the state government exists to give them money.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-s-new-voucher-law-allows-private-schools-to-boost-revenue/ar-AA1bT6Al
Gee, what happened to praying to get what you need?
Looks like YHVH and Jesus are a no-show on that front again.
They get free money from the state so it follows they can raise tuition.
Vouchers are stealing from the taxpayers. In no other situation does the state give vouchers for taxpayer funded programs. I can’t get a voucher to help me pay for operating my pool because I don’t use the local pool. Folks don’t get tax money to build swingsets in their yards so they don’t have to go to the parks to play. Street maintenance isn’t doled out by house, police fire and ems are not subject to individual whims. The taxes that go toward public schools are for building and maintaining schools in the district and all members of that community are able to send their children to the school. Everyone pays for the school, not for the students. If someone doesn’t want to use that school they can pay for the private school they choose themselves. If they can’t afford to, then they still have the public school. Funneling money to private schools only make the public schools worse not more competitive. And now we see exactly what happens to the private schools, they raise their tuition to keep their wealthy families and exclude the voucher kids while still defunding the public school. This is what they want to do, keep the lower classes from being educated at all, especially the minorities. Funnel the money out of public schools, make the private schools unreachable except for the wealthy few, leave students without money or with extra needs without any option at all.
Wah! Stop discriminating against us for being bigots! Waaaaaaaaaah!
"How dare you deny us our religious right to deny other people basic human rights? Waaaaaah!"
Suing for the right to discriminate. If people sued for the right to discriminate against Minnesota Christians, how would those Christians react?
Oh, go on. Guess.
They would see the errors of their ways ?
HA! You're funny.
🤣🤣🤣
This kind of reminds me of a case in San Francisco, where a Christian student group whined about being excluded from using school property and facilities. Why? Because they excluded gay students. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Frankly, I'm astonished that Christian schools get ANY consideration at all for inclusion in the PSEO program. That they're willing to include religious schools that don't insist on a statement of faith as a prerequisite for participation flirts with its own State/Church problem. Of course, the two schools filing the lawsuit can't even deal with that level of generosity and predictably want their ice cream with a cherry on top. It's also reasonably clear to me that Minnesota is unlikely to budge an inch in enforcing the requirements stipulated in this program.
Apparently, the University of Northwestern–St. Paul and Crown College can't be bothered to note that there are OTHER religious institutions that are not so stiff-necked about their beliefs and enjoy the benefits of the PSEO program ... but per usual, their insistence on their ideology is more important to them than the good this program might do for their student enrollment.
Their loss.
Persecution! Oh, wait. Just RWNJs being held to the same standards as everyone else. Again.
Yup, we'll see how long it lasts this time before their privilege is reinstated.
Nut jobs?
Yep. The lot of them.
OT - DeNazi is a liar, film at eleven.
𝐃𝐞𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 ‘𝐚 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐠𝐥𝐞 𝐛𝐨𝐨𝐤’ 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐛𝐚𝐧𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚. 𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐬 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐫𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐝𝐨𝐳𝐞𝐧𝐬.
Gov. Ron DeSantis has fought back against allegations that Florida is banning books, calling it a “hoax.”
“There’s not been a single book banned in the state of Florida,” the Republican said in his May 24 presidential campaign launch on Twitter Spaces. “You can go buy or you can use whatever book you want.”
https://www.wlrn.org/government-politics/2023-06-01/desantis-book-bans-florida-schools
This type of lie is what I got from consewertives on the TBT forums. One guy would regularly make racist posts; and when called out on it, would vehemently insist that he wasn't a racist. He claimed that since he never actively discriminated against anyone, which I seriously doubt, he couldn't be a racist.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/5242a5a340c1a705ee99eeb3e3b4ed24be17adc0bf4e5201ec3aa2105eb60875.gif
These people redefine words in such a way; that their bigotry and book bans aren't bigotry and book bans.
"When I use a word, it means exactly what I want it to mean." --Humpty Dumpty.
They claim to worship Jesus, but their real messiah is an egg--a broken egg that can't be put together again. If only they were capable of realizing how damn foolish that makes them look.
"but their real messiah is an egg--a broken egg"
That's why they tried to hide him on easter.
Conspiracy theory: "Humpty Dumpty: Did He Fall or Was He Pushed?"
The REAL story is that he fell off Hunter Biden's laptop.
When Humpty Dumpty said "When I use a word, it means exactly what I say it means," I heard that in George Santos' voice.
Both. He pushed himself to sue the blue caterpillar and the Cheshire cat.
Crisis actor.
TRUMP: "He didn't fall, he was pushed! Lying media! So unfair!"
I remember Otto – who described himself as a "race realist".
He wasn't, goats are nicer than him.
Smarter too.
Not difficult when the bar is somewhere in the Mariana Trench.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raising_the_Bar_(South_Park)
Difficult choice. Billy goats drink their own piss.
Otto spit his shit on us.
Just a thought. Why don't you write deLiar ?
He would never see it. If he did see it, he would ignore it because he is right on every issue. Der Führer DeNazi has a god complex.
You mean he doesn't have his spy nest to control what Floridians tell about him yet ?
To DeSantis...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjJJnz2_85w
(This also goes for racists who insist they're not)
Here is the smallest violin playing for the Christians who play victims as they tear ass across our laws trying ever so hard to foist their beliefs onto everyone. I liken them to the Christian version of the Taliban.
Christaliban.
https://i.imgur.com/Med088R.jpeg
haha
Wonder where he keeps his rosin.
The principled thing would be to forego taking the government's money.
If you're worried about local Christian students "losing" out on a "Christian" education, you could offer participating high school students who will sign the statement of faith free tuition.
You expect principles out of right wing conservative religious institutions. Now who’s delusional?
Just being snarky, no personal attack intended, Old Man Shadow.
But where would they get their money? Grifters gotta grift.
The only "principle" schools like those recognize is whatever they can get away with. They can count themselves lucky they'll wind up with what the littlest piggy got.
Wee wee?
That, too! 😁
“The Supreme Court has consistently and recently affirmed that public benefits that are open to private secular organizations must also be open to religious ones.“
This SCROTUS has recently been deciding for the theocratic supremacy and forcing local and state governments pay to churches despite the federal and state constitutions specifically calling for the opposite, and this SCROTUS has been consistent in doing so. However, this SCROTUS has been consistently and recently been ignoring precedent, the constitution, the will of the people, and lower courts’ rightly decided cases. This SCOTUS is corrupt and has been damaging our country and way of life.
The thing is, the courts are going to find for the state over and over, but these lawyers are going to appeal and appeal until they get to the corrupt SCROTUS and get the decision they’re looking for to make sure we keep taking these horrible steps toward theocracy. Congress needs to do something about the SCROTUS asap. If they ignore the revelations about Thomas, they are complicit in the corruption.
Fffffuuuuuuuuuccccccccckkkkkkkkkk!
Maybe we need to start a gofundme to buy Uncle Clarence back. /s
Our taxes are supposed to hold his loyalty, but alas trillions of dollars isn’t enough he needs the private islands and yachts.
Papist whores.
Irony....
1. (rhetoric) The quality of a statement that, when taken in context, may actually mean something different from, or the opposite of, what is written literally; the use of words expressing something other than their literal intention, often in a humorous context.
2. Dramatic irony: a theatrical effect in which the meaning of a situation, or some incongruity in the plot, is understood by the audience, but not by the characters in the play.
3. Socratic irony: ignorance feigned for the purpose of confounding or provoking an antagonist.
4. (informal) Contradiction between circumstances and expectations; condition contrary to what might be expected. [from the 1640s]
My point is this, it's not irony*, it's legal malfeasance and it should be reported and regarded as such.
*You could make a case for #3 but this is in a legal setting with real consequences for this completely insipid cases. The lawyers should have discipline for frivolous suits.
The concept of equal rights still is too complicated for these evangelical bigots. Sadly, they may win their suit depending on how strict the judge is and how this familiar this person (judge) is with the first Amendment and the establishment clause of our Constitution.
Or how right leaning & “Christian” the judge is, sadly. Even the Supreme Court has been polluted with religious extremism & republican hypocrisy