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I get what they're doing here, and more power to them. It is indeed a taste of Karma. The people who began pushing to ban books obviously never imagined themselves on the receiving end of that policy. That said, no individual parent should be able to ban ANY book form ANY library.

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“.. no individual parent should be able to ban ANY book form ANY library.”

Agreed. However, some people need a 2 x 4 upside the head (it’s a metaphor, folks, just like biblical violence) before they pay attention.

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Some people need a D-handled-scoop-shovel -> face interaction session......not a metaphor. 😉

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Jun 3, 2023·edited Jun 3, 2023

The Book of Mormon is up next? Just wait until people read the part where God "cursed the Lamanites with a skin of darkness" to prevent intermarriage with the Nephites. Or how it was a joy to be "white and delightsome." *rolls eyes*

There are different kinds of nastiness. Racism is just another form of cruelty.

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The babble says racism is a virtue?

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Absolutely. Google the curse of ham. It really brings home the bacon.

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Book of Mormon, in this case.

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The New New Testament. Same thing.

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The Jesus North American Tour.

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Or all the plagiarism from the KJVB Smith had done. Or at one point one of the Ancient Americans says ’adieu’

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Jun 4, 2023·edited Jun 4, 2023

I want to embarrass the Mor(m)ons with their own book:

"And I behold the Spirit of the Lord, that it was upon the Gentiles, as they did prosper and obtain the land for their inheritance, and I beheld that they were white, and exceedingly fair and beautiful like unto my people before they were slain"

-- I Nephi, Chapter 13, Verse 15

Gentiles are Europeans. The speaker is a Native American (a "Lamanite," who were white until God "cursed" them with dark skin). In the BoM, the Native Americans are slaughtered by the Europeans and get their land stolen by those Europeans. And it is the Native Americans who get the blame for that slaughter and the theft of their land, not the Europeans. Why? Because God took his favor away from the dark-skins and gave it to the white eyes.

How very Christian.

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This is good and I fully support the tactic. The right wingers need to be handed a taste of their own medicine. How can you call for banning books that violate the morality of your holy book when your holy book itself is rife with the most egregious examples of things you want banned? You cannot use the Bible as the justification to remove a picture book about two male penguins being dads together when the Bible graphically describes actual rape.

That is not to say that the right wingers won’t use this incident to complain that the Bible is not allowed in schools, as they already do.

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So... how're those leopards working out for you, Utah?

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UTAH: "Can't talk now. Faces being eaten."

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Banning books is the sort of thing an authority does when it can't do the whole 'convert or die' thing. The idea here is to kill your ability to think for yourself, since they can't just kill you outright.

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The special pleading Christian Nationalist jerks who would ban the Bible if it wasn't the Bible would probably be totally on board with banning the Koran 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘵 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘉𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦.

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Of course. Such a law is for thee and not for me.

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I wonder what they would think about banning all versions of the Bible except one. Which doesn’t matter as long as it’s not the one their church uses. I think it would be fun to propose, as long as I didn’t get shot for heresy.

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Just one specific version of the Bible...that's delicious! Let the holy wars commence!

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I wouldn't mind seeing creation books getting banned from schools and libraries only because it contains made up lies and fantasies.

BTW, in one creation book for children titled "In the Days of Noah," (See the book in URL. https://www.thriftbooks.com/w/in-the-days-of-noah_gloria-clanin/399154/item/5077159/#idiq=5077159&edition=4338738) there is a depiction of a large man beating his mother while stealing a bag of gold from her in a scene where the town gets drowned out by the fabled Noah's Flood while the inhabitants try to salvage all of the gold and other treasures they have instead of heading for the hills.

If a right minded parent saw this so-called children's book and found what's inside it, there's no doubt she will be so horrified by what she saw that she will vehemently call the book to be banned from schools and libraries due to graphic depictions of violence against women.

And this book is supposed to be made for kids for crying out loud!

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I'd prefer they at least put the Bible/Talmud/Qur'an/etc. with the rest of the mythology books.

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Retroactively justifying monstrous deeds on the grounds that the victims "had it coming" is pretty standard for conservatives.

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What, pray tell, did the puppies and kittens do?

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They were found living together. It was mass hysteria.

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Race mixing. There were so many kuppies and pittens running around, God just had to destroy the world.

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Masturbated?

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Before the flood, puppies and kittens had opposable thumbs?

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Obviously, how else could they ride dinosaurs? I read about it in Book of Mormon 2: Lamans Revenge.

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Ever seen what a dog or cat can LICK?

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Yes. And it's a wonder the species survive. If humans could do that we'd have died out before Lucy was born.

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Aside to Owosso Harpist: example in school I mentioned above took place in city a 50 miles north of you

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Where?

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Do napalm or agent orange ring a bell? I grew up in Midland, home of "Dow shalt not kill" Chemical.

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You think creationist books should be banned? Well, then it's good you don't live in Louisiana. Some schools there are actually using the Bible as a science textbook. https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2015/06/louisiana_public_school_teachers_are_using_the_bible_as_a_science_class_textbook/

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I'm reading the article and find that what the teachers are doing in those schools is pretending to promote both-siderism when they teach creation vs. evolution in science classes. A lot like the media pretending to promote both-siderism when to comes to Republican vs. Democrats, TFG vs. Biden, and others only for both the schools and the media promote just one sided issues in favor of with the Rethugs, Stupid Trump, Creationism, etc. Not a good way to teach science, don't you think?

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Not a good way to look at anything in the world. Most issues have many more aspects than just two. But I guess we shouldn't tax the great unwashed with anything too complicated. They only have so much brainpower. At least according to conservatives.

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They're ranked 46th in Education. This should drop them down to the coveted 50th.

There's not a single bit of science anywhere within the pages of the bible.

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Well, hardy-har-har! Believers get bit on the tailbone as the result of a law they themselves likely called for and promoted! Without doubt, SOMEONE will now step up and say, "Oh, but we DIDN'T mean that the bible should be a banned book! The bible is HOLY™, The Inspired Word of God™," et cetera, et cetera. I note that the list of offensive verses is restricted to the book of Genesis. FSM knows, there are PLENTY of other problematic passages in that benighted book. Ezekiel 23:20 comes to mind.

Expect a full-on argument about this in the halls of Utah government. Just how fact-oriented it will be may be debatable, but in any case, followup would be appreciated.

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Jun 3, 2023·edited Jun 3, 2023

Restricting the list to just Genesis shows just how objectionable the entire thing is. If it's that bad out of the gate, how much worse does it get later?

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Answer: PRETTY DARN BAD!!!

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I bet that went over the heads of plenty of Mormons in the legislature.

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𝐵𝑢𝑡 𝑜𝑛 𝑇ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑑𝑎𝑦, ℎ𝑒 𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑐𝑘𝑙𝑦 𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑠𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑑 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙 𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑐𝑎𝑢𝑠𝑒 “𝑇𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦, 𝑖𝑛 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑖𝑠 𝑏𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑡𝑎𝑢𝑔ℎ𝑡, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑏𝑒𝑠𝑡 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑜𝑑, 𝑖𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑜𝑚𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑟𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑟𝑡ℎ, 𝑎𝑠 𝑎 𝑓𝑎𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑦.”

Holy shit! They can be taught!

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More like "Shit! 𝘛𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘧𝘢𝘴𝘵... ummmmm... 𝘐 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵! Aalll part of the plan. Yup. 𝘛𝘰𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺. Trust me. Honest. Mmmmhm. 𝘞𝘰𝘳𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥! Nothing to see here. Noooothing at all..."

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Maybe he was having an off day.

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I don't think being indoctrinated with a particular point of vew really qualifes as teaching, but that's just me. ;)

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He does appear to now get the concept that teaching the bible belongs in church and home and not public schools.

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OT: A Trump-appointed judge has ruled that TN's anti-drag law is unconstitutional. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/03/trump-judge-tennessee-anti-drag-law-unconstitutional

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Bugs didn't don women's frocks just once. He did it in 50 different cartoons. :)

He really IS a wascally wabbit.

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He spent more time in dresses than Hillary Clinton.

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Mighty low bar, there.

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Well, he doesn't quite beat RuPaul.

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Oops! :)

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OT: At the Ottumwa (Iowa) Pride Fest...creepy thumpers across the street tried to engage with me, using 'science'. "Isaac Newton was the smartest scientist ever, and he was Xtian." Yep, he was smart, not necessarily smartest, and in his day many of the things we know now we didn't know then. "Science comes from the church." Nope, they repress science, have for millennia. "Galileo was..." Persecuted by the religious nutters. You people follow a mythology that didn't know where the sun goes at night much less what it's made of. But I served to preserve your Right to spew your nonsense....and it lets the rest of us know which crazies to watch out for. 😁

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That's nothing. The local weekend Independent news paper has a newsletter from the Immanuel Baptist Church in Corunna, MI (Website link: https://www.immanuelalive.com/) that has a so-called Independence Day 1776 article which asks questions like, "Do you think you have every right to think for yourself?" or "Do you enjoy being coerced into speaking about things that are not true?" Not to mention the word "woke" being spoken many times in one form or another in that particular article while another article talks about A.I., this so-called Man-Made Messiah which they fear will replace Jesus and Trump as "the True Messiah."

This whole newsletter and the church itself speaks the language of Rethuglican, Pro-Trump, Right Wing Fundie Zealots.

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"Do you enjoy being coerced into speaking about things that are not true?"

I don't suppose they mention that they'd like to be able to force everyone, starting with school children, to endorse their damnfool religious beliefs, do they?

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Jun 3, 2023·edited Jun 3, 2023

Did you tell them that Newton held beliefs which would've made him a heretic?

He didn't believe in "The Blessed Trinity" (which means he rejected the divinity of Jesus). He also rejected immortal souls, the devil, actual demons and the baptizing of infants. And he dabbled in alchemy.

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And discovered F = m*a.

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You should have ask them about Giordano Bruno and Copernicus ?

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One side of my family comes from the Burlington, IA area, immigrants from Germany in the 1800s. Very much bible thumpers. All the older relatives are long dead and I don't know any of their descendants.

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The Christians of Sir Isaac's time thought Gravity was 'just a theory' and that Newton was blaspheming their god.

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Gravity is still just a theory, but then again, so is electricity. A motherfucking theory that fried the left corner of my mouth and cheek when I was about three years-old. 🔌⚡😬😵🤕

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It would be nice if they'd simply reject those theories.....climb out on a crane boom and let-go-let-god......play on those really weird-looking monkeybars that are all fenced in and have those wires stretching off in various directions.

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Jun 4, 2023·edited Jun 4, 2023

That was the premise for the Salem witch trials, a nasty piece of Christian Nationalist American history. If you're innocent you'll burn; if you're guilty you'll live and the punishment is burning at the stake.

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The Catholic Church nearly had a collective stroke when Galileo presented his thesis that God's favorite li'l planet earth was NOT the center of the universe, and that it revolved around the sun, not vice versa. A challenge to The Great Chain of Being (a church construct, no basis in scripture) could not go unpunished.

Almost every scientific advancement through the centuries has been met with threats, if not actual retaliation, from the religious authorities of the time. Even today, they still lose their shit over evolution and the big bang theory, cuz everbody knoze thuh earth is only 6000 years old and they wuz too dinosaurs on Noey's Ark.

Science coming from the church? (I'm now including all brands of Xtian here). The cognitive dissonance alone is mindboggling enough to give a normal person a brain bleed.

Add in the witch hunts, the holy wars, the people and book burnings, the destruction of indigenous art and culture in every corner of the world, the persecution of marginalized people, the child-rape, and stealing money from the flocks, and you've got a criminal organization that makes the Mafia look like a collection of rank amateurs.

I'm sure there's a whole bunch of nasty stuff I didn't mention here; these are just the ones that came to mind immediately.

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OT:

My innocence has been shattered. How could missionaries or any of god's messengers be corrupt?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECbTNifU8AACz4n.jpg

Pope Francis warned the Vatican’s missionary fundraisers on Saturday not to allow financial corruption to creep into their work, insisting that spirituality and spreading the Gospel must drive their operations, not mere entrepreneurship.

Francis appeared to refer to a recent Associated Press investigation into financial transfers at the U.S. branch of the Pontifical Mission Societies: The former head oversaw the transfer of at least $17 million from a quasi endowment fund and donations into a nonprofit and private equity fund that he created and now heads that invests in church-run agribusinesses in Africa.

https://apnews.com/article/vatican-pope-fundraising-missionary-81ac4d23fb2f6a9a4447df4fc83fc8f9

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The pope is ready to address this problem and solve it, but somehow cannot find a minute to see to sexual assault in the priesthood. Gosh, it’s crazy how financial crimes are nipped in the bud but sexual crimes are swept under the rug.

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Money's important. Children (and women) are not.

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Bait and switch...never fails.

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God has always been about profit. But we cannot be too unseemly...

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Their real god...the one they truly serve...is spelled with an extra letter (L).

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Who said it was extra?

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OT

"NASA's Mighty Mars Helicopter Ingenuity Defies Odds, Soars to 50th Flight"

https://www.timesnownews.com/technology-science/nasa-mighty-mars-helicopter-ingenuity-defies-odds-soars-to-50th-flight-article-99508110

Religion simply cannot compete with reality via science and technology. Shit, the bible doesn't even mention Mars; has no idea it exists.

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Why would it mention a rival war god? Especially one it wasn't able to humiliate.

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And one that existed BEFORE the biblical sky pixie.

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What are you getting so excited about? This is as phony as the moon landing.

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It may cost more than a small country, but you can't complain that NASA doesn't overengineer.

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They receive a pittance from the government but still get a mighty bang for the buck.

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I guess Montgomery Scott runs NASA's engineering division.

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Bet he gives it all he's got. :)

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And NASA itself is being run by a former Fl senator.

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Good Witch or Bad Witch (not familiar with the history of Fl senators)

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It's surprising the one thing they didn't borrow from their neighbours is their knowledge in Astronomy/Astrology.

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Astrology is verboten in the bible. Astronomy was also a heathen evil.

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In those days and in that part of the world nobody made much distinction.

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OT: I must humbly confess I've been wrong about the Catholic church. There really ARE Immacualte Conceptions. See? https://www.insider.com/two-catholic-nuns-went-on-missionary-trips-come-back-pregnant-2019-11

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"They both breached strict rules of chastity but the welfare of their children is uppermost," they added.

Until a priest wants them.

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I've forgotten where in Fl you live, Zorg, but I hope it's nowhere near these creeps: https://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/2023/06/extremist-group-targets-florida-high-schools-yearbook-over-inclusion-of-lgbtq-students-section/

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St. Petersburg, home of one of the largest Pride parades in in the southeast.

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2023/06/01/bay-area-pride-month-events-and-activities-2023

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Congrats, I only hope DeSadist doesn't send in the SS, er, I mean the state police to disrupt it.

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It won't surprise me if he does.

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Hey, Ronnie...

Gay. Gaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygaygay ad infinitum.

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“They shouldn’t have any sexual definitions in a yearbook,” the group’s chapter chair Jessica Tillmann told The Sentinel."

Honey, I hate* to say this but if students are labelled as "boys" and "girls" in a yearbook then there is sexual definition.

* Not.

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Why can't the nutters just tear out the pages they don't like and STFU about it? Because reasons.

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And thedy expect me to visit? FUCK NO!!!

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The median age for nuns in the USA is about 80.

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Just like the median IQ.

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The iq runs 30 points lower.

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Two people enter...four people leave???

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Depends on who you ask. Some will say 4 people entered.

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"4 people entered"

Holy gang bang?

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Jun 3, 2023·edited Jun 3, 2023

The guy(s) that boffed those nuns was/were immaculately clean before engaging in sexy fun time.

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If they returned to Florida, Gov./Dear Leader DeSantis would personally see to their beheading...after they deliver to term and dump the children into foster care.

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"TRUMP BUCKS" gone. It was a scam where you bought them and when Trump took over the country they would pay off like 10,000 to one. Several lost thousands. Seen now on MSNBC.

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Fools and their money...

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More like dumb jackasses and their money. They got everything they could have expected from their messiah,. Good. (Though I'd bet a lot of them have already convinced themselves Hunter Biden is really responsible for it.)

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Hunter Biden has far more power over these treasonous MAGAts than their invisible friend with the whip marks and holes in his wrists.

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Must make it tricky to wear a watch.

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Why do you need a watch when you don't have a job or anywhere to be?

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That's why he keeps a pocket watch in his robes.

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Is Hunter Biden a GOOD Catholic, too?

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Yeah, I suspect only a modicum will actually blame Trump. They'll be some excuse or other, because so much of their self-worth is tied up with the orange shitgibbon.

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Huzzah, or maybe not. Le Marquis de Sade has to rolling over in his grave to be included in the list that the Bible is on. Ou peut-être pas.

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Why ? Both were written by perverts.

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Pour connaître la vertu, nous devons tout d’abord nous-mêmes nous familiariser avec le vice.

He wasn't a pervert, he was an explorer on the frontiers of human experience...

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Je vais t'accorder le benefice du doute et prendre ça pour du sarcasme 😉

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