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There was an article on Fox about this. Many of the comments were "Well, the bible doesn't encourage any of those things." Obvious they haven't read it.

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Just because god tells you to do something doesn't mean you have to do it.

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Most of them do what they want and tell themselves that god told them to do it.

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"But, but, we can't ban the ๐˜‰๐˜ช๐˜ฃ๐˜ญ๐˜ฆ!" Special pleading is, along with cherry picking and goalpost moving, a favorite sport of conservative Christians.

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The hell of it is, we as atheists have known about the less than palatable portions of the bible for ages. It is entirely likely that those who sponsored, voted on, and passed the bill allowing for the banning of books have almost certainly never read the bible cover to cover, nor are they even remotely aware of the numerous verses which, if these people ever read them out of context, would immediately demand the censure of said book!

Sadly, this brand of ignorance may be entertaining in the short term. In the long term, it's beyond problematic and into dangerous territory.

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And while I think about it:

โ€ฆ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘™๐‘ฆ ๐‘ค๐‘Ž๐‘ฆ ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘“๐‘–๐‘”โ„Ž๐‘ก ๐‘Ž๐‘› ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ž ๐‘–๐‘  ๐‘ค๐‘–๐‘กโ„Ž ๐‘Ž ๐‘๐‘’๐‘ก๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘Ÿ ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ž, ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘”๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘‘๐‘™๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘  ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘ข๐‘ก๐‘๐‘œ๐‘š๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘ ๐‘ก, ๐ต๐‘‚๐‘‡๐ป ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘  ๐‘ค๐‘–๐‘™๐‘™ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘š๐‘Ž๐‘–๐‘› ๐‘’๐‘ฅ๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘ก. โ€œ๐พ๐‘–๐‘™๐‘™๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘Ž๐‘› ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Žโ€ ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘–๐‘˜๐‘’๐‘  ๐‘š๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘  ๐‘Ž ๐‘ฃ๐‘–๐‘Ÿ๐‘ก๐‘ข๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐‘–๐‘š๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘ฆ. ๐‘‡โ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘š๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘ก ๐‘ฆ๐‘œ๐‘ข ๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘› ๐‘‘๐‘œ ๐‘–๐‘  ๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘š๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘› ๐‘–๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘Žโ€™๐‘  ๐‘–๐‘™๐‘™-๐‘ ๐‘ข๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘›๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘ข๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘๐‘œ๐‘š๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘๐‘–๐‘™๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘ฆ ๐‘ค๐‘–๐‘กโ„Ž ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘Ž๐‘‘๐‘ฃ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘๐‘’๐‘š๐‘’๐‘›๐‘ก ๐‘œ๐‘“ ๐‘™๐‘–๐‘“๐‘’ ๐‘œ๐‘Ÿ ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘Ž๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘Ÿ ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘ก๐‘–๐‘ฃ๐‘’ ๐‘”๐‘œ๐‘Ž๐‘™ ๐‘–๐‘  ๐‘œ๐‘› ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘ก๐‘Ž๐‘๐‘™๐‘’.

-- me

Books are about IDEAS, and you can ban or burn them all you want. The ideas will still be out there, and no amount of ๐‘ ๐‘ก๐‘ข๐‘Ÿ๐‘š ๐‘ข๐‘›๐‘‘ ๐‘‘๐‘Ÿ๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘” will evict them from the field of play. This is a fact that needs to be rubbed into the noses of the fools who pass laws like this, until they understand that knowledge IS better than ignorance and understanding better than cluelessness.

Yeah, it's a big ask. Still needs to be done.

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I, for one, would like transcripts of the hearings on this. I want to compare their stated reasons for not banning the bible and compare them to their stated reasons for banning the books that got the ax.

Their hypocrisy needs to be called out in full, everywhere, and at all times.

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The transcripts have been banned.

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Wonder if we can get the banning banned.

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It is amazing to me, that despite thousands of years of evidence to the contrary, they still believe if no one talks about LGBT people, there won't *be* any LGBT people.

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If at first you don't succeed at stamping them out, try try again, I guess.

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No, what they believe is that using their social power to make no one talk about LGBT people puts them one step closer to exercising the power to criminalizing LGBT people.

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No. Talking (Lying) about LGBT people is how they get the power to criminalize LGBT people. Lawrence is not safe.

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How about ethnic cleansing? Abraham offering to give his wife to a leader of an enemy city if all the men were circumcised and then killing them all and most of the women and children while the men were all too sore to fight? How about date rape (Samson and Delilah, and Judith who decapitated an enemy king) as well as the cited stories. Song of Solomon? Favorite book of adolescent males.

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Steve Wells has thoroughly documented the multiple problems of the bible with his website: The Skeptic's Annotated Bible:

https://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

I recommend it highly!

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The list was only 8 pages long due to space limitations. To list every objectionable passage would have required at least 1000 pages.

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A0 or A1 size ?

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What size is "billboard?"

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New York Time Square ones ?

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Text would be too small to read.

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Mar 24, 2023ยทedited Mar 24, 2023

"Judith who decapitated an enemy king"

Uh.. Don't you mean Samuel? Samuel decapitated King Agag right after he rebukes Kind Saul for his failure to destroy all of the Amalekites. (I Samuel 15:32-33)

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Judith and Holopherne. There is a famously gore painting by Artemisia Gentileschi.

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That's the story's from the Apocrypha section of the Bible, the version that the protestant version doesn't have, that you're referring to. I get it.

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Secular education I know the story because I know about the painting and not the reverse. I don't know how many different bibles coexist and which books they have.

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"I don't know how many different bibles coexist "

They don't, which is why we have so many problems.

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Mar 24, 2023ยทedited Mar 24, 2023

Judith beheaded Holofernes (see Judith 13)

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Mar 24, 2023ยทedited Mar 24, 2023

A lot like Jael, the woman who literally nailed Sisera, a general who tried to seek shelter after fleeing from Barak and Deborah's triumphant army, to the ground while he was sleeping in her tent (see Judges 4)

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Thatโ€™s the one I always remember.

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I don't know about banning the bible. It should, however, be shelved in the proper place, as far away from the non-fiction books as possible.

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Fairy tales next to Andersen or mythology ?

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Backroom with a beaded curtain doorway.

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Mar 24, 2023ยทedited Mar 24, 2023

You forgot the "Must have been born before 3/24/2005 to enter" sign

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It's in the 200 section of the Dewey Decimal system.

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You shouldn't let your decimals get wet.

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Mar 24, 2023ยทedited Mar 24, 2023

(in Austrian accent): "Don't you know the Dewey Decimal System!?!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZHoHaAYHq8

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It's an good response. But the courts in Utah and Florida will be perfectly happy to enforce an obvious and biased double standard. Consistency is not one of conservativism's hobgoblins.

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And then there was Mohammed raping his 9-year-old "consensual" bride in the Koran.

Oh, wait, no way in hell was that book ever going to appear in a Utah school library in the first place.

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I remember very clearly something that came up in one of my undergraduate Shakespeare courses. One scholar, decrying the overwhelming glut of Shakespeare "scholarship"*, suggested that all 37 plays and all of the poems be buried in a time capsule for 100 years, then dug up so they could be evaluated afresh.

I'd suggest that would be even more appropriate for the Bible. Imagine people who had never been indoctrinated to think of the Bible as "the word of God" reading it from a fresh, unbiased point of view. The derisive laughter, alternating with expressions of horrified disbelief, would be absolutely deafening. "People used to believe THIS?!"

Time to get out the shovels!

*Our prof told us there had been an article- or book-length study of Hamlet alone published an average of every eight minutes for nearly a century.

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Iowa Trumpublicans are currently pushing a bill that would cause any book banned by any school district to be banned in all school districts throughout the state.

As soon as it's enacted I'll be submitting a ban request for the Bible in my district.

As an ordained minister - ULC, Takianยน Humanist - I'll declare *all* books currently in our libraries to be sacred, just in case they go that route. ๐Ÿ˜

(ยน Tak doesn't require that we think of him, only that we think.)

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๐‚๐ก๐ซ๐ข๐ฌ๐ญ๐ข๐š๐ง ๐ก๐š๐ญ๐ž-๐ฉ๐ซ๐ž๐š๐œ๐ก๐ž๐ซ ๐†๐ซ๐ž๐  ๐‹๐จ๐œ๐ค๐ž ๐ฌ๐ฎ๐ž๐ ๐Ÿ๐จ๐ซ ๐ซ๐ž๐ฉ๐ž๐š๐ญ๐ž๐ ๐ณ๐จ๐ง๐ข๐ง๐  ๐ฏ๐ข๐จ๐ฅ๐š๐ญ๐ข๐จ๐ง๐ฌ

https://friendlyatheist.substack.com/p/christian-hate-preacher-greg-locke

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I really can't wait to see for Utah lawmakers' howling and whining.

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Cries of persecution in 3...2...

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Wait ! My popcorn is not ready and I have still to cut some fruits to go with it.

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Do you salt and butter the fruit also or just allow it to pick up what it will when you mix it into the popcorn?

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Salt and butter ๐Ÿคฎ

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You know, it probably wouldn't be a bad idea to ban the bible from schools. Look at what it does to the people who read it.

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What...turn them into atheists?

It's not the *readers* that are the prolblem. Its the weaponizers.

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Remember when Jezebel was thrown from a tower and her remains were eaten by dogs?

Is that really something you want your kiddies exposed to?

(I was, but I was a weird kid who read all the "good stuff" in the bible for fun. Like David killing Goliath with a rock. Excellent role model material, that! Yet when I bonked my brother in the head with a rock, I got in trouble. Go figure, I was just doing as the bible teaches by example.)

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