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There is no hate quite like Christian love. Some of the most mean-spirited, bigoted, and intollerant people I have ever known never missed church.

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𝐷𝑢𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛, 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑤𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑤𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑𝑛’𝑡 𝑢𝑠𝑒 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑛𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑠, ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑢𝑠, “𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝐼 𝑐𝑎𝑛’𝑡 𝑔𝑢𝑎𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑒 𝐼 𝑤𝑜𝑛’𝑡 𝑘𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑚𝑦𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑓.”... 𝐼𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠, 𝑖𝑡’𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑚𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒 ℎ𝑒’𝑠 𝑎𝑠𝑘𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑚 ℎ𝑖𝑚 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑜𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝ℎ𝑦𝑠𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑦.

Being a decent human being to their 𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘥 is harmful but severe depression and suicidal ideation DUE TO THEIR ACTIONS AND ATTITUDES is not? Jesus H Motherfucking Christ on a cracker, these fucking parents are just a half step short of stoning her to death for disrespect. 𝙍𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙞𝙤𝙣 𝙧𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙨𝙚𝙨 𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙮𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜.

I don't know this poor girl, but I can guarantee I have far more fatherly love for her than her flesh and blood sperm donor.

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It's not clear, but it sounds like the poor young lady is still living with her parents. I want to tell her, "Honey, if they're pushing you to the point of considering taking your own life, you've got nothing to lose by walking away, it can't be any worse" I know they're her parents and that makes it very hard, but everyone needs to cut such toxic people out of their life.

Charities for Homeless LGBT youth:

https://www.dallashopecharities.org/programs/dallas-hope-center/ - Dallas Hope Center - Dallas, TX

https://www.thriveyouthcenter.org/ - Thrive Youth Center - San Antonio, TX

http://duneslgbtfoundation.org/ - Dune LGBT Foundation - Ft. Worth, TX

https://www.aliforneycenter.org/ - Ali Forney Center - New York City, NY

https://lalgbtcenter.org/social-service-and-housing/youth/homelessness - LA LGBT Center - Los Angeles, CA

https://www.ruthelliscenter.org/ - Ruth Ellis Center - Detroit, MI

https://larkinstreetyouth.org/ - Larkin Street Youth - San Francisco, CA

https://www.sfcenter.org/lgbt-san-francisco/homeless-lgbtq-youth/ - SF LGBT Center - San Francisco, CA

https://www.outyouth.org/ - Out Youth - Austin, TX

https://www.facebook.com/Thetransitionalcenter/ - The Transitional Support Center - El Paso, TX

https://truecolorsunited.org/ - True Colors United - National Advocacy organization

https://homelessgaykidshouston.org/ - Homeless Gay Kids Houston - Houston, TX

https://www.angelfire.com/folk/isis - ISIS from Youthcare - Seattle, WA

https://le-refuge.org/ - Le refuge - Major metropolitan areas throughout France

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Great list. Thanks for sharing.

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I keep a list I post when it seems on topic, both in the hope of donations and in case someone reading this post should need their services. It's too Texas-centered truthfully, and I welcome additions.

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Thank you for including Le refuge :)

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Like I said when you posted it, I added it to the list I keep.

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I had run across that one, but it seemed to be religion based which left me concerned about proselytizing and if they were just giving lip service to serving LGBTQ+ youth.

Edit: Still I've added it to the list on your recommendation. If anyone would preemptively curse an organization for such crimes, it would be you.

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Cowardly anonymous crister daddy hates his transgender daughter (even though she's a Christian) but claims to love his god?

"If someone says, "I love God," but hates a fellow believer, that person is a liar; for if we don't love people we can see, how can we love God, whom we cannot see?"

-- 1 John 4:20

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I love it when atheists are better at bible quoting than believers.

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I am truly convinced that these folks have never read the bible, only listen to the person in the pulpit brainwashing them in his/her beliefs.

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I used to read my grandma's illustrated bible on her coffee table. I also loved Greek mythology as a kid. I started to realize it was all mythology.

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Watching the stunned expressions on the faces of those believers. Priceless!

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My goodness this father is useless as a parent. Doesn't listen, constantly rebukes, drives child further and further into depression and does nothing but cry how hard being a parent is when Jesus is on your side.

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“He concludes that this is all in God’s hands…“

If it is God’s hands, then why is he fighting his child’s reality. If it’s in God’s hands, then God made his daughter transgender.

“We know every parent has to die to self to truly love his or her child…“

Then let your ego die and accept your child as she is. This whole article is an ego trip, “look at me, I’m a super good Christian, so good in fact that I’m willing to torture my children before I show them the true love of a parent.” I thought you die for your children, I thought you’re supposed to die to yourself to accept Jesus. But I guess that’s just something you say to get folks to admire you.

Christians taking the heartless option as usual.

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Yep - if it's all in "god's hands" how is there any free will? How can you condemn anyone? Idiots.

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"If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sister---yes, even their own life---such a person cannot be my disciple."

-- Luke 14:26

"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."

-- Matthew 10:37

You know who's not worthy, Jesus? You. Even if you were real, which you aren't and never were. You're just not worth all the trouble you and your followers cause in the world.

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The previous two verses are just as important and informative:

For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A man’s enemies will be the members of his own household. - Matthew 10:35-36

This is christian love. This is being christ-like. The more christ-like people are, the worse the world gets.

When we value ideas more than we value people, is it any wonder some people cannot perceive the humanity of others?

Humanity is a burden when heaven is the goal.

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And Matthew 10:34 dispels the Christian notion of Jesus as the "Prince of Peace." He said that he did NOT come to bring peace.

It's like Christians don't know what's in their own book.

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Definitely. When they do know, they rationalize it in some fashion.

Kind of like how victims rationalize staying in an abusive relationship.

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Given the loving, hippie, communist things he supposedly said, either he has a split personality or different people with different agendas put words in his mouth.

Fanfic is supposed to mostly remain true to the original character's character.

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There's a term for that, as it turns out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flanderization

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The problem is not Jesus, the Jew. The problem is his followers who have bastardized his words, which by the way, was written and rewritten many times over for Pope's and Kings. Jesus gets a bad rap.

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"Jesus gets a bad rap."

He can take it. He doesn't exist. There's no evidence he ever existed. Wish we could say the same for those who subscribe to the religion centered on the fantasy of Jesus. Especially from 380 CE on.

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I don't know how you can call religion a good thing when it tells you to hate your own children rather than defy Jesus.

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I think even Jesus would be appalled by this man

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Oh, my. There is so much here.

' He loves his trans daughter, he writes, adding that he loves Jesus more. Which is a not-so-subtle way of saying he doesn’t actually love his trans daughter unconditionally." I don't know if I would put it that way. I would say that he loves his daughter as much as he can, but he doesn't love her very much. I recognize the syndrome, because that's what I went through with my parents more than 50 years ago when I came out as gay. It took a while to realize it, but eventually I understood. They loved me as much as they were capable of loving me. They just didn't love me very much. As I said to them in a letter when I was finally at the point of just giving up on them: "it's clear to me that your beliefs about homosexuality and what it means to be gay are more important to you than truth, compassion, and fairness, and certainly, more important to you than your relationship relationship with your son ."

And there is so much more in this.

He's chosen the use of pronouns as the hill he wants his daughter to die on. I spend a lot of time over at quora, and the pronoun issue looms pretty big there. How dare you force me to use pronouns that I don't wish to use? Of course, it's just their persecution complex going into overdrive, powering the right wing outrage machine. If he is talking to his daughter, what pronoun is he going to use besides "you ". His daughter is asking for some respect, not for him to abandon integrity, and honesty.

But he already did that, didn't he? He did it the moment he decided he would be persecuted for his beliefs, rather than trying to understand his daughter. It's very common over a Quora. They're not interested in understanding, they're interested in being outraged, being right, and aboveall, being culture warriors-- more importantly, being culture warriors for God, culture warriors on the winning side.

He gives it all away right here: "He concludes that this is all in God’s hands… which is another way of saying he doesn’t plan to change anything about his own thoughts or actions...Does god care?" Can we translate from the Jesus?

God has a wonderful plan. Why isn't God doing what I tell him to do? Why can't I be bothered to understand God's wonderful plan? It's not fair to me. ME! ME ! ME! His whole belief system is under assault, and his response is to circle his wagon. There is no responsibility for him. He says over and over and over again how much he raised his daughter to be a good Christian robot. And yet here she is, telling him what he doesn't want to hear. He has failed as a parent. His religion has failed Him and her. Surely, he wants to trust God, but he doesn't trust that God has a wonderful plan for everyone. It's not the plan he would have chosen, and he simply does not understand why God will not do what he is told.

This affects me because this is what I went through 50 years ago. My parents didn't use God as their excuse. If they had, it probably would have made it easier for me. I tried for 12 years to get through to them but nothing did. I was a good son. I never got into any trouble. I was a straight a student, an athlete, a recognized musician and writer. I was well liked by my friends and teachers. But none of that made any difference.

Likewise, for this father, his belief systems are under assault, primarily by himself — he just prefers to blame his daughter. He will not admit that he has failed her, or that is intellect and his belief system and all of his JesusIng have failed himself.

And isn't that just too sad?

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Awwww, thanks.

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I have several friends that went through what you did and it just blows. I stood up for my friend at her civil union (no marriage allowed back then) because no family there, they just couldn’t cope (and somehow they thought it was my “fault”). I’m sorry for your parents because you sound like a great son. I’d be proud.

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Thank you for the very kind words. I very much appreciate them. But it was a long, long time ago, and by the time I got around to giving up on them, I had realized that my life was actually better without them. Three of their four children more or less were in agreement. The sad part is, both my brothers never really got any of it resolved. The one brother who has remained alive is a total asshole because of it. in fact, he's known as the town asshole in his southern California Beach town. I know this because I came across a newspaper article describing him.

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One time DM and we're at a restaurant when a small wedding party arrived. We felt sad for the groom, he was the only white present, meaning either he had no biological family known or he couldn’t invite them to his wedding.

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"I just hope the daughter is okay and realizes there’s nothing wrong with distancing yourself from your parents and embracing people who actually love you instead of making excuses for why they can’t." Is that ever true! I spent my life trying to be the opposite of my dad.

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One of my kids is trans. I cannot imagine making the choice this failure of a parent has made.

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Same. I’ve mentioned my transman son. Never in my worst nightmares would I ever feel this way about my kids. There’s no heart in Mr. Anonymous, just a lot of rot.

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So after spending 18 years with their own child, they claim not to know her, but having spent precisely 0 seconds hanging out with Jesus, he's more important to them. (I apologize if, by my use of "them", I've inadvertently included the mother if she doesn't happen to share the father's bigotry; but he certainly feels free to speak on her behalf.)

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"He concludes that this is all in God’s hands…" so he should accept it as God's will and move on.

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The man is a heretic. Jesus sent his daughter in a male body only to test him. And he failed.

Or not. Maybe he's just an asshole. Or probably even more likely - the entire article is fiction. And he's an asshole.

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It occurs to me that I could probably write a book on parenting and conditional love. And now my other half just read that over my shoulder, and tells me I'm right. Oy.

Yes, even though I'm cis, my parents' love was always dependent on my at least pretending to be what they wanted. It hurts in ways that are difficult to characterize and hard to deal with, and to some extent, it never really gets much better. My heart breaks for this young woman, her family was taken from her by what amounts to a homewrecker of a church for no good reason at all. Here's hoping she can find more love, acceptance, and respect elsewhere like she deserves, and has the strength to go looking for it.

Failing to accept people for who they are is not by any means love. It's a conditional offer for something that might sometimes look like love, but in reality it's just a cheap knockoff that'll leave scars instead of providing support.

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"Jesus is life and the only way to living life to the fullest."

Citation required. I've lived quite the life, all without the need for a spiritual sledgehammer trying to extort me with threats of a nightmarish afterlife if I don't enslave myself to him. Living life to the fullest? That's not life. That's willing servitude hoping you'll get rewarded by getting to spend eternity in some non-existent supernatural paradise.

No thanks. I'll spend my one life pursuing it the way I find fulfilling. Screw religion and its fantasies.

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THIS! You get one shot and I’m not going to waste it on maybe there’s something supposedly better behind door #1 (spoiler: there isn’t).

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you ready for the apple cup?

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Been ready. 🙂

Gonna log off this library computer at Noon and then head back home to listen to the game.

Oh, and as of yesterday, the Washington Huskies will be facing the Oregon Ducks for the PAC-12 National Championship in Las Vegas come December. Go Dawgs!

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I am ready for it as well. just about to prepare my snacks.

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I'll be back on my laptop about 3 PM. By then, I hope the Dawgs have the game well in hand. The Cup's history favors us.

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Well, it's the start of the 2nd half and the teams are knotted at 14 apiece. Not what I'd hoped for.

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that was a tough game, but the right team won

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