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𝐺𝑙𝑒𝑛𝑛 𝐻𝑖𝑙𝑙, 𝑏𝑦 π‘‘β„Žπ‘’ π‘€π‘Žπ‘¦, 𝑖𝑠 π‘Ž β€œπΆπ‘™π‘–π‘›π‘–π‘π‘Žπ‘™ 𝑆𝑒π‘₯π‘œπ‘™π‘œπ‘”π‘–π‘ π‘‘β€ π‘€π‘–π‘‘β„Ž π‘Ž π‘ƒβ„Ž.𝐷.

Oh, REALLY?!? And between him and his wife, NEITHER of them could find her clitoris ... or knew about it or understood its place in human sexuality??? The raw, screaming ignorance expressed by this article is positively TRAGIC, as well as apparently being WILLFUL.

This – this, THIS, π—§π—›π—œπ—¦ – is the brand of education these clueless Christians want to make universal for the United States, probably for the world, if they could. And this is why we must continue to fight them, tooth and nail, until their influence is GONE from our schools and our kids.

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Clinical Sexologist sounds like a creepy guy trying to use a position of authority to molest vulnerable women. It certainly doesn’t sound like an actual doctor. Especially since he’s not forthcoming with his educational background. It really sounds like he’s an official mixologist from the Red Robin school of Libations or some shit. But religionists are so feckin brainwashed they believe anything that comes out the mouths of folks claiming Christianity.

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Clinical sexologist sounds like one of those names that anyone can call themselves – like tootheologist.

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Or "reverend," "prophet," "apostle," "minister," preacher" or even "bishop." And there's no way to nail them, since there is no legally enforceable definition of any of those terms.

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Oh yeah – we have our "Bishop" Tamaki. Ordained himself I think.

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"Doctor".

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Just not THE Doctor.

(The Doctor's an atheist)

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He found the clitoris, that automatically qualifies him in the church as a Clinical Sexologist.

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One can wonder how she wash herself. Does she use mor(m)ons undergarments even in the shower ?

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Or worse: she was taught that that part was "dirty," and that she shouldn't even touch it. Honestly, even in typing that, I find that to be so fucking tragic, that she had no idea of how her own body worked or what that little nub of flesh was to her sexuality.

It's just mind-boggling.

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I was never teached that it was dirty and I had a secular education. I still learned what it was years after I discovered it. It's how much it was overlooked, women sexuality outside of PIV and sometimes fellation was not even considered.

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I wasn't taught that it was dirty, either, but then, most of my life has been lived in the northern United States, where reasonably functional sex education wasn't verboten. Sex education in the early 60s wasn't the best, but it was a long distance from the kind of crap that that Hills were subjected to.

I don't know quite how I learned it, but at some point or other, I discovered that GIVING pleasure was at least as cool as GETTING it. As a result, I wanted to know all the ways I could do that for my partner, regardless of their physiology. Turned out to be a pretty fun time, too! 😁

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I grew up in California, about 7 miles from Berkeley. The sole sex education (in 1963, 6th grade) was a primitive film strip consisting of an ad for Kotex "feminine products." Mama Doctor Jones recently showed and commented on a more recent version of it, done in about 1959, on her YT channel. I had no idea what the thing was even about, and had no one to ask: no friends (I was an outcaste at school), I was the oldest in my family, and modern Purity Culture is very like conservative catholicism of the 1950s and 60s. So, zero discussion of bodies, or anything else; it was all "dirty." When I first got my period, at 14, I thought I was dying of appendicitis. I was never taken to a physician concerning my extremely irregular and extremely painful periods. And then they tried to marry me off at 17. To a guy who, I realized later, was deeply closeted. (He overdosed at 28.) That is what catholic purity culture did, and probably still does. Everything else (meaning, basically *everything*) I had to learn after I ran away and went to college. In the late 1990s, even a doctor in my home town shrugged off the ongoing neglect and abuse at the local county clinic with, "Well, this is Richmond", as if being that town was some sort of excuse. Was the learning fun? Sure, but I should never have been put in that painful position in the first place.

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No, you shouldn't have, and I'm glad you came through all of that in one piece.

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In my Catholic boys high school in the 1960s we had a total of two semesters of what was smilingly called sex education. The sophomore semester was taught by an assistant football coach, Leonard Jankowski, aka "Jabbo," who, quite honestly, would have had trouble even spelling "penis,' never mind "clitoris." The junior semester was taught by Brother Donald Millevac, a Marianist fresh out of Jesus school. Both terms were all about Catholic religion and "morality," not science of physiology, and I don't remember either of them saying a word about women's sexuality or anatomy.

I still remember the time Bro. Millevac, trying to be a regular guy, offered to answer any question any of us had about any aspect of human sexuality. Someone raised his hand and asked the church's position on 69 (as if we didn't all know). Bro. Don got a baffled look on his face, like one of the Three Stooges trying to figure out how to eat an artichoke, wrinkled his brow, and got lost deep in thought. Finally the little light bulb over his head lit up. He beamed a great big smile and said, "Oh, you mean the 6th and 9th commandments!" And a classroom full of horny teenage boys fell on the floor laughing. When the Marianists weren't raping us they were at least good for a lot of unintentional comedy.

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A woman I babysat for let me read ;the joy of sex when I was at her house. thank you B.C.

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Ah... the elusive and reclusive clitoris. Difficult to find in the wild. Sometimes you have to do a little bushwhacking.

David Attenborough would say it better.

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"Bushwhacking" ... [groan!!!] 🀣🀣🀣

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I can't wait for Guerilla Surgeon to read Larry's comment 😁

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I know my sister discovered hers while playing horsey on the back of the couch.

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I dunno, I found my girlfriends just fine when I was a stupid, stupid teenager. Although she wasn't raised in purity culture so THAT helped. Heh.

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β€œWell, I don’t have a clitoris.”

No, you do have a clitoris. What you don't have is a fucking clue.

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And a husband clearly uninterested in her pleasure.

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I’m surprised Phyllis acknowledged anything was wrong with her sex life. If the purity culturists had their way wives would just grit their teeth and bear it whenever and however long the husband wants it. Look at Ben Shapiro, spending multiple shows worth of time expressing how WAP means there’s something wrong with the woman and he has never done anything like that for his wife. But he’s not the only one. The Transformed Wife says similar stuff, it’s clear her husband has never bothered to find her clit. But the politicians who dismiss rapes by telling women to just ride it out it doesn’t take long. And these women are lucky, there are serious consequences for sex with unaroused women, tearing and infections can be deadly. (I have mentioned an incident I experienced when I was younger, it wasn’t because of a lack of lubrication, but a lack of knowledge and an excess of excitement nearly killed me.)

Also, if Phyllis was too shy to get help from her friend, she might also be too shy to talk with her husband about the issues she had with sex. Maybe not Phyllis here, but most certainly other women stuck in purity culture , or maybe they tried to bring it up with their husbands but were told to be quiet as the husbands know best. And there are a great deal of men who search out porn with frigid partners, who almost prefer sex with the dolls over a woman with human functions. They may not be a large minority of men, but I feel like they are the type to be attracted to the stunted women in the purity circles.

These are folks too, that are making educational decisions for whole communities. Pushing abstinence only sex education in schools, insisting all women experience this torture on their wedding nights.

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They think abstinence only will guarantee kids wait until marriage for sex. All it guarantees is a whole lot of bad and painful sex.

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AND unintended pregnancies AND more STDs AND ugly family arguments AND all the sturm und drang that goes with all of that.

Again ... fucking tragic.

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Well, that and a higher rate of unwed teenaged parents.

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Oh, no. They take care of that. Put the 14 year old pregnant girl and the 15 year old boy in front of a judge and *boom* they're married, regardless of what they want. He can't get a job until his next birthday, can't get to a job if he could, if and when he gets one, he won't make enough to support himself, much less a wife and child. They can't afford day-care, so she can't work. And with all this work and child-raising (different kind of work) forget finishing high-school, much less going to college.

They and the child are stuck in poverty for the rest of their lives.

So much better than teaching them about mutal-masturbation and birth-control.

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Oh, I forgot the part about them having a second child before his 18th birthday, because still no one has taught them about birth-control and they have no idea how to find out about it, if they've figured out it exists.

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Speaking of BC, there is one good thing about self-checkout at Wal-Mart. Teenage boys don't have to face anyone to buy condoms. (Unlike convenience stores where they put them behind the counter to keep them from being stolen.)

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Abstinence only never worked. In Zola* books both men and women have sex outside of marriage and they were written in 19th century. I have DM maternal grandparents as model too.

* I take him as example since his novels show an exact picture of how people lived at that time.

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Count on beef tallow woman to spout some bullshit about Phyllis being a bad christian because she dare criticising her husband πŸ™„

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"they could have checked out an anatomy book"

When I was at school in the 90's clitoris was never mentioned wether in biology textbooks/classes, sex education classes at my school and boardschool or the play I went with my boardschool.

And it wasn't an abstinence only one, STDs, condoms, birth control methods were mentioned every time.

Somehow, I didn't need a baby to learn where it was.

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Apr 19, 2023Β·edited Apr 19, 2023

You godless heathen!!!

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Isn't these two words together contradictory ? πŸ€”

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A complementary complement.

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One of them doesn't apply to me 😁

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Which one? 🀀

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*Channel River Song*

Spoilers 😁

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Technically, these two words would be redundant, like "wet water" or "little tiny".

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Heathen can design Pagans so you are both right and wrong. Congratulations Schrodinger Donrox πŸ˜‰

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Did you hear that from a rich millionaire, you godless atheist?

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millionaires aren't rich. Barely buy a house these days. in large portions of the country. You can't even retire early on a million dollars.

You need to be a half-billionaire to be rich. Inflation's a bitch.

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I suspect he made the title up. Painful for her, but they did it anyway. It was *her* problem, so no doctors. (He knew what it took for *him* to get pleasure, so screw it) I also can't believe she was so "modest" that she couldn't have another woman show her. Too ashamed to use an anatomy book. (I could see too broke to go to a doctor) Instead of having her friend show her on *her* body, she has to let her show her on her daughter's body. IOW, her daughter's nudity in front of her friend was okay, but hers was not.

A gay (male) couple wouldn't have this problem because there are only a few very,very,very fucked up boys who don't explore their own bodies and know at least a few things to give them pleasure.

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Apr 19, 2023Β·edited Apr 19, 2023

If the clitoris were important to God, he would have written about it in the Bible and provided all the necessary instructions. Therefore, it is God's will. Good people do not question God's will.

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He didn't provide instructions on the penis, or at least that prude James didn't have those bits translated.

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He did provide instructions. Yahweh says: chop it.

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On the other hand, not a single one of the commandments is β€œThou shalt not rub the clitoris.”

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That's more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.

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Having been raised Mormon and knowing many Mormons still I can easily see a grown woman being to body shamed to let another woman see her bits or be willing to see an adults. But kids, well, you've seen the Umbrella of Control (or whatever they call it). Women belong to men but children belong to women (and men).

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Other than being a good rule follower what, exactly, does a rigid religious upbringing prepare you for? Absolutely none of it is reality-based.

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Shoot, being a good rule follower – for which you may read, "sheep!" – is precisely what evangelical Christian leaders want their congregations to be in the first place. They lead, the sheep follow, that's that.

And that concept should concern any thinking human being.

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Indeed. They can talk about their loving Jesus and the glorious afterlife from now on, but there is nothing they crave so much as power and control in this world. Power few groups would be more ill-equipped to exercise. If you want to see what genuine persecution looks like, . . . hand power to the preachers,.

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𝐺𝑙𝑒𝑛𝑛 𝐻𝑖𝑙𝑙, 𝑏𝑦 π‘‘β„Žπ‘’ π‘€π‘Žπ‘¦, 𝑖𝑠 π‘Ž β€œπΆπ‘™π‘–π‘›π‘–π‘π‘Žπ‘™ 𝑆𝑒π‘₯π‘œπ‘™π‘œπ‘”π‘–π‘ π‘‘β€ π‘€π‘–π‘‘β„Ž π‘Ž π‘ƒβ„Ž.𝐷.

There's a joke about Oral Roberts in there somewhere, but it's just not coming to me.

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And his asshole brother, Anal Roberts.

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Speaking of decrepit relics from the last Ice Age, televangelist Charles Stanley has gone home to Jesus. Stanley was the closest thing to a walking, talking sleeping pill I've ever seen. He managed the amazing feat of making even vicious bigotry boring. (Take heart, though; we've still got his preacher-man son Andy, who has featured on this site more than once.) https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/charles-stanley-influential-baptist-preacher-dies-90-98675058

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BJU.

That's Bob Jones University, you pervert. : )

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Arcadia University, a Presbyterian school, used to be called Beaver College.

They started as Beaver Female Seminary. I'm not kidding.

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Related and not, in French a bob is a hat https://images.app.goo.gl/mFohw9Uc14YKNQBt5

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Bob Jones was an asshat. Is that close enough?

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In American (English: ), bob is what you do for apples at Halloween parties.

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"Are your names Neil and Bob or is that what you do?"

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I'd like to meet *them*. πŸ˜‰

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"It’s an entire ministry of the ignorant leading the ignorant at a time when what they all need is actual expertise."

It's all right here in this one sentence. Ignorance, which they call innocence, is a virtue. Knowing stuff is sin. It's right there in the Bible. If you talk about all of that dirty sex stuff, you're taking all of the romance and the magic out of it. And that was what God put into it for our own benefit, even if it's not. And besides, sex is dirty.

This woman with a "sexologist" for a husband chose not to eat of the tree in the garden.

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Well, look what happened when the last woman ate from the tree. God made women chattel, gave them menstruation, and made child birth an experience that leaves most men wondering why you'd go through more than once, if that.

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Sounds like they didn't eat much anything at all.

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Well, that explains THAT, doesn't it?

I figure Revelation was either the hallucinogens of the era, the product of a fever dream or someone (or a number of someones) having a giggle.

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Shroom induced delusions.

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🎢 Fly me to the shroom, and let me play among the stars 🎢

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It can't be the last of those. I've read the damn thing twice and there isn't a chuckle in it.

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Apr 19, 2023Β·edited Apr 19, 2023

If Revelation had more than one author, I'm willing to bet that they tried to one-up each other on how psychotic they could make it.

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Or, it was a product of psychosis.

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Apr 19, 2023Β·edited Apr 19, 2023

When I was doing a course on "medical systems of China India and the West" – anthropology I think – there was a memoir we had to read by an Indian guy who put himself through absolute torment in various ways driving himself to the point of madness if not beyond – it was medically related in some way I can't remember, and almost killing himself in the process. We were asked to comment – and I'm afraid I said I would have referred him to a psychiatrist. Which to be fair, although they were probably expecting a bit more of an airy fairy answer they treated it seriously. I was expecting to be chastised for being anti-woo. It was anthropology after all.

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Then again, John never existed. Soooooooo...

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A nonsensible book written by a nonexistent person. Where, I ask you, where but in christianity?

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Outside of religion, even books authored by "Anonymous" have real people behind them.

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Of course,"John" exits, just ask any independent businesswoman.

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"John" doesn't *exit*, she does, with his money. In fact, depending on her honesty and desire for repeat business, John may have to wait for the maid to untie him so he can cancel the credit cards and lie to his wife.

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At least those women are selling something real.

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Question "Are fake orgasms real ? You have 5 minutes.

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Gross. Just gross. Seriously, go to the fucking library. Also, not for nothing, but before you assume you're missing a goddamn body part, perhaps consider that your husband is shit in bed. And so are you.

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You just explained quite precisely why they want to CLOSE libraries.

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What the actual fuck. Why would the friend's first attempt to show her have to be on an infant. Just get a black and white diagram. This is so bizarre to me. Clearly the only thing they were doing was P in V with no foreplay and probably no lube. No wonder she didn't enjoy it.

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Phyllis Hill needs to take advice from the new Christian messiah, Donald J(esus) Trump: "They let you grab 'em by the pussy." That's foreplay.

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So the also had no access to the internet to Google β€œclitoris?”

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Google is of the Devil.

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Thank Hades. I don't remember how anybody in IT did their jobs before Google.

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Christian apologist Josh McDowell claims that the Internet is the biggest threat to Christians.

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He's not wrong. It's also, apparently, the biggest threat to democracy and sanity.

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It's amazing that Christians like these are able to reproduce at all.

And sad.

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Unfortunately, they reproduce all too often because they usually know nothing about birth control either.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkcuA249g7s

Dominion's lawyers explaining that there is more to come. I should hope so. Because personally I think they've let America down – and democracy for that matter.

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They don't care about "America", they care about their shareholders.

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Seeing as our interests align at the moment, I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

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My interests are not with the Dominion shareholders.

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