After the Archdiocese of San Francisco said a claim against Father Daniel Carter was "unfounded," six new victims have come forward with similar allegations
This is a PR foundation, but it didn’t take me working in PR to understand that it is better for your reputation to acknowledge a mistake and make up for it than it is to hide it. It’s something children learn, for goodness sake. In the thousands of years the RCC has existed (as a moral guide?!? Seriously?) they still haven’t learned this lesson.
The fact that this organization might have folks working for it that aren’t perfect is a given. That there may be folks who are this disgusting, depraved, criminal, might be expected even if it’s not desirable. These people exist and they look for opportunities to do what they are going to do, and the RCC is a place that would make it easier, simply by way of being authoritative. The problem with these revelations is that the church did nothing helpful and found ways to make the situation worse. In every single case. By trying to protect its reputation, the RCC made it worse. They setup more children to be molested. They drew in more rapists to the priesthood. They enabled the priests to do whatever they wanted with no repercussions. Made their reputation worse than if they had addressed the priests at the time they were found to be molesting children.
The RCC could have saved its reputation if they had been weeding out the predator priests as they came across them. Not shuffle them around to hide them, send them to resort like retirement homes, ignore and obscure allegations, and install policies that make it easier for them to groom and molest children.
The church will never police itself. It was born of corruption, it will die corrupt.
The authoritarian structure and the repressive ruleset combine to attract the corrupt and the predatory to seek positions in the hierarchy. The corruption was inevitable.
One of the 1st rules of PR – coming from a veteran PR person – was 'always tell the truth'. You can spin it if you like, but it is better not to outright lie. In this case they could have said something like "This is terrible but will try to do better". Then of course, they actually have to try to do better which they don't seem to have wanted to do. I can barely comprehend the mindset of the people that would hide this stuff.
"Instead, whether through incompetence or malice, the Church dismissed Danielle’s concerns and let Carter roam free, from church to church, always maintaining his access to children."
Both. It's both. As well as the desire of those in power to maintain the illusion of righteous authority.
Life is easier, the world is kinder, and you can educate. Actual malice is pretty rare, I find.
@froborr
Always remember Halon's Razor-"Never assume malice when incompetence will suffice as an explanation."
That's said, never forget Fred Clark's Law, either: "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." There's a certain point at which ignorance becomes malice-at which there is simply no way to become that ignorant except deliberately and maliciously.
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I found a way to copy a meme from my photos to the thread. It doesn’t have formatting but I didn’t have to retype everything.
We are at a stage that if you are completely ignorant of the issues the RCC has with child molestation, you have to be willfully blind to it. This goes for pretty much any sect of Christianity (and other religions as well). Most folks just try to downplay the extent of the problem rather than deny it happens. “It’s only 1% of priests, don’t blame the whole religion.” It’s more than that, and the rest of the religion knew about it and hid it and interfered in addressing it in any meaningful way.
They take it very seriously- they seriously love doing it, and they make a serious effort to cover it up so they can 𝘬𝘦𝘦𝘱 doing it. Might as well be listed among the perks and benefits when they hand new clergymen their vestments. "Here's your collar, your cassock, and your rosary, and there's an altarboy waiting for you in the confessional over there. Enjoy the priesthood!"
They never told us that when I was in the seminary. But then, I went to seminary right out of grade school. At age 13, we were still fringe benefits ourselves for the priests.
I've grown so sick of these stories I can barely stand to read them anymore. The herd instinct runs deep in the human species, and I suspect it is part of our survival strategy. It may have served our distant ancestors well, but it can be a millstone around the neck of civilization in the modern age. I have no other explanation for why the Catholic Church continues to exist, apart from the need some people have to belong, coupled with their fear of having to think for themselves.
What peeves me more than anything else is that more criminal charges haven't been filed and that priests haven't been arrested and arraigned and brought to trial. I find that both astonishing and frustrating. These asses have worn out their benefit of the doubt ages ago.
It is well past time they faced the consequences of their actions.
When you have been thoroughly indoctrinated from early childhood and your family and friends are 'in the fold', leaving can be very difficult. It took me a while but never a second of regret, especially hearing so many of these stories of abuse. They are an international criminal organization and must be stopped.
When the Catholic Church isn't being ridiculous and hilarious, it's being outrageous and infuriating.
Religious people sometimes try to attribute my atheism to the cruel and criminal behavior of clerics and their hierarchies. No, I patiently explain, I'm an atheist because I see no evidence for any kind of supernaturalism. So I'd be an atheist even if clerics and their hierarchies really were the paragons of virtue that they pretend to be.
The cruelty and criminality is why I'm increasingly becoming also an ANTItheist. These institutions are harmful and dangerous to society, and they do nothing about it except to protect their illusion of benevolence. Adherents no longer have any excuse to continue to support them.
If by "them" you mean the Catholic adherents, they cannot be unaware of the scope of the problem that is so well illustrated in this incident. They're not innocently oblivious of what is happening; for that to be true, they'd have to be so stupid that they couldn't tie their own shoes. They're not stupid, they're selfish. They're pretending that they don't know, or practicing forms of denial such as excusing, rationalizing, or minimizing. So they're making a very selfish and immoral choice to get their "comfort" by continuing to give the RCC financial support, social credibility, praise, and recommendations for others to join, and to raise their children to be supporting members. Their precious "comfort" comes at the cost of anguish, suffering, and deep, permanent harm to countless victims. They are complicit enablers of the well-practiced system of rape and abuse, cover-up and denial. They are a big part of the problem, and ONLY THEY can put a stop to it by abandoning the rotten-to-the-core Empire of Comforting Lies and letting it implode in on its own foul self.
I would bet quite a few of them are also pretty heavily doing that cognitive dissociation thing, too. They're quite literally holding that the RCC is both a wonderful organization that brings comfort to millions of people and that they've got an 'unfortunate' problem in the after school area. Sure, holding both views isn't healthy, but when you're already into major magical thinking, it's probably easier.
I've long held the opinion that most religions are a form of insanity. I would submit the RCC as one of the best examples.
I think you have a good point about their mental gymnastics and inconsistencies, and how their religious upbringing might make them already set up to be able to tolerate inconsistencies.
One detail I always have to clarify is if by "cognitive dissociation" you mean the more commonly used term "cognitive dissonance," that term is frequently misunderstood. CD does NOT mean having conflicting ideas in one's head, or having ideas that conflict with one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance is the DISCOMFORT that people feel when they realize they have those conflicting thoughts and/or behaviors. It's a GOOD THING that gets us to clean up our sloppy thinking and our hypocrisy. These people avoid feeling cognitive dissonance by various coping strategies such as a thing called "compartmentalizing." They keep their conflicting ideas and/or behaviors in separate mental compartments like the cubby holes in a post office, taking them out and regarding them only one at a time, never at the same time.
As it comes to that, I've heard more than one comment regarding invoking the RICO act against the church for the very reason that it behaves much like a criminal organization.
Did you ever follow Popehat when he was on Twitter? He's Ken White, first amendment expert, former US attorney, and criminal defense attorney. Apparently federal RICO is so complicated that it's usually easier to get criminal institutions on other charges.
Of course, we are left to wonder if anyone, any institution, especially the Catholic Church, will ever get any criminal charges re all this horrific child sexual abuse.
I also follow Bruce Gerencser (brucegerencser.net) and he is a former fundamentalist turned atheist. And he exposes all the crimes that fundamentalist/evangelical preachers commit, and there is a huge dose of sexual abuse in their authoritarian religions. Turns out the Catholic Church isn't alone in its evil. And yet, people still give these religious institutions plenty of money.
Is it possible to come to the US with knives* ? I have a sudden craving to test them on human pigs**. One of my Dogesses was a rescue (coincidentally she was part Labrador).
* One bread knife, one ceramic and one with a Damas blade.
Internationally I don't know, but you should be able to check them in your luggage. I was in Hawaii a few years ago and as we were cleaning up our room, I took the trash out and found someone had thrown away several knives. It was a really nice chef's knife and a set of 4 paring knives. They were the only things in the surprisingly clean trash can, and I think one of the paring knives was still in it's package. Wrapped them up so they didn't cut anything and put them in the suitcase.
So now we can add California to the list, as though we didn't already know that all 50 of the United States were besotted with this brand of priestly perversion. I still say, though, the problem remains that civil suits aren't doing enough here. What is needed are 𝗖𝗥𝗜𝗠𝗜𝗡𝗔𝗟 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗥𝗚𝗘𝗦, and that includes both the priests who abuse their parishioners and their superiors who shuffle offenders around to hide the evidence.
When priests start getting JAILED, it is just possible that the Church as a whole might sit up and take notice. One can hope, at least.
Thing is, I'll stipulate that there may be SOME parishes and/or dioceses where it hasn't occurred ... but then I come back to that postscript scene from 𝑆𝑝𝑜𝑡𝑙𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 again, and I'm reminded of the incredibly pervasive nature of this particular perversion.
The Catholic Church has a LOT to answer for, and thus far, I'm not convinced that they've said boo.
I’m not so sure there are parishes that this hasn’t occurred. There may be churches where the folks who are there now haven’t experienced it, but it might have only happened before the memories of the people (congregants and clergy) in the church. Especially considering how the church managed these incidents in the past by moving around offending priests.
We've seen their track record on protecting actual life. Not just children, but women and LGBTQIA+s. Life is sacred to them? Like any other skeptic, I demand evidence that life is sacred to them. Even their opposition to the death penalty is half-hearted at best.
They are first and foremost pro-themselves. For an institution with a history as blood-soaked as the Catholic church's, life is strictly a minor side issue.
This is a PR foundation, but it didn’t take me working in PR to understand that it is better for your reputation to acknowledge a mistake and make up for it than it is to hide it. It’s something children learn, for goodness sake. In the thousands of years the RCC has existed (as a moral guide?!? Seriously?) they still haven’t learned this lesson.
The fact that this organization might have folks working for it that aren’t perfect is a given. That there may be folks who are this disgusting, depraved, criminal, might be expected even if it’s not desirable. These people exist and they look for opportunities to do what they are going to do, and the RCC is a place that would make it easier, simply by way of being authoritative. The problem with these revelations is that the church did nothing helpful and found ways to make the situation worse. In every single case. By trying to protect its reputation, the RCC made it worse. They setup more children to be molested. They drew in more rapists to the priesthood. They enabled the priests to do whatever they wanted with no repercussions. Made their reputation worse than if they had addressed the priests at the time they were found to be molesting children.
The RCC could have saved its reputation if they had been weeding out the predator priests as they came across them. Not shuffle them around to hide them, send them to resort like retirement homes, ignore and obscure allegations, and install policies that make it easier for them to groom and molest children.
The church will never police itself. It was born of corruption, it will die corrupt.
The authoritarian structure and the repressive ruleset combine to attract the corrupt and the predatory to seek positions in the hierarchy. The corruption was inevitable.
That's why Catholics define 'incorrupt' as not having your dead body rot
And no one should be surprised at this. They've put themselves into a position of power, and we all know the old saw about power corrupting.
One of the 1st rules of PR – coming from a veteran PR person – was 'always tell the truth'. You can spin it if you like, but it is better not to outright lie. In this case they could have said something like "This is terrible but will try to do better". Then of course, they actually have to try to do better which they don't seem to have wanted to do. I can barely comprehend the mindset of the people that would hide this stuff.
Come on, now. They haven't wanted to do better for some 1700 years. Why would they start now? 😫
That may be a rule of PR, but the 1st rule of Christianity (that precedes ALL other rules) is "NEVER ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG!"
Unfortunately it's increasingly liable to take the rest of us with it...
"Instead, whether through incompetence or malice, the Church dismissed Danielle’s concerns and let Carter roam free, from church to church, always maintaining his access to children."
Both. It's both. As well as the desire of those in power to maintain the illusion of righteous authority.
@tinsnip
Don't assume malice. Assume ignorance.
Life is easier, the world is kinder, and you can educate. Actual malice is pretty rare, I find.
@froborr
Always remember Halon's Razor-"Never assume malice when incompetence will suffice as an explanation."
That's said, never forget Fred Clark's Law, either: "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice." There's a certain point at which ignorance becomes malice-at which there is simply no way to become that ignorant except deliberately and maliciously.
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I found a way to copy a meme from my photos to the thread. It doesn’t have formatting but I didn’t have to retype everything.
We are at a stage that if you are completely ignorant of the issues the RCC has with child molestation, you have to be willfully blind to it. This goes for pretty much any sect of Christianity (and other religions as well). Most folks just try to downplay the extent of the problem rather than deny it happens. “It’s only 1% of priests, don’t blame the whole religion.” It’s more than that, and the rest of the religion knew about it and hid it and interfered in addressing it in any meaningful way.
So the Bride of Christ is THREE, THREE, THREE bints in one?
Moistened?
Eeeeeeeewwwwwwwwww.
Just wondering if I need to worry about scimitars being lobbed at me.
Not from me. I'm a pacifist. Besides, scimitars are Ayrab.
Incompetence cannot be an acceptable excuse considering this has been happening regularly for over a thousand years.
"𝘈𝘯 𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘺 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘸𝘰 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘸𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝘷𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘴 𝘴𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘤 𝘊𝘩𝘶𝘳𝘤𝘩 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘴 𝘴𝘦𝘹𝘶𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘣𝘶𝘴𝘦..."
They take it very seriously- they seriously love doing it, and they make a serious effort to cover it up so they can 𝘬𝘦𝘦𝘱 doing it. Might as well be listed among the perks and benefits when they hand new clergymen their vestments. "Here's your collar, your cassock, and your rosary, and there's an altarboy waiting for you in the confessional over there. Enjoy the priesthood!"
What they DON'T take seriously are their parishioners' complaints ... except to tell them to shut up and pray - pay - obey.
Being an attorney for the Catholic Church is unparalleled job security. :P
Not quite as secure as being a priest, though.
They never told us that when I was in the seminary. But then, I went to seminary right out of grade school. At age 13, we were still fringe benefits ourselves for the priests.
I've grown so sick of these stories I can barely stand to read them anymore. The herd instinct runs deep in the human species, and I suspect it is part of our survival strategy. It may have served our distant ancestors well, but it can be a millstone around the neck of civilization in the modern age. I have no other explanation for why the Catholic Church continues to exist, apart from the need some people have to belong, coupled with their fear of having to think for themselves.
What peeves me more than anything else is that more criminal charges haven't been filed and that priests haven't been arrested and arraigned and brought to trial. I find that both astonishing and frustrating. These asses have worn out their benefit of the doubt ages ago.
It is well past time they faced the consequences of their actions.
The criminal charges should have started when the church lost official state power in 1789.
When you have been thoroughly indoctrinated from early childhood and your family and friends are 'in the fold', leaving can be very difficult. It took me a while but never a second of regret, especially hearing so many of these stories of abuse. They are an international criminal organization and must be stopped.
"It gives people comfort. And they enjoy the ceremony. What's wrong with that?" (TM)
When the Catholic Church isn't being ridiculous and hilarious, it's being outrageous and infuriating.
Religious people sometimes try to attribute my atheism to the cruel and criminal behavior of clerics and their hierarchies. No, I patiently explain, I'm an atheist because I see no evidence for any kind of supernaturalism. So I'd be an atheist even if clerics and their hierarchies really were the paragons of virtue that they pretend to be.
The cruelty and criminality is why I'm increasingly becoming also an ANTItheist. These institutions are harmful and dangerous to society, and they do nothing about it except to protect their illusion of benevolence. Adherents no longer have any excuse to continue to support them.
With you 100% on all counts, Richard!
But it gives them comfort. What's wrong with that?( TM)
If by "them" you mean the Catholic adherents, they cannot be unaware of the scope of the problem that is so well illustrated in this incident. They're not innocently oblivious of what is happening; for that to be true, they'd have to be so stupid that they couldn't tie their own shoes. They're not stupid, they're selfish. They're pretending that they don't know, or practicing forms of denial such as excusing, rationalizing, or minimizing. So they're making a very selfish and immoral choice to get their "comfort" by continuing to give the RCC financial support, social credibility, praise, and recommendations for others to join, and to raise their children to be supporting members. Their precious "comfort" comes at the cost of anguish, suffering, and deep, permanent harm to countless victims. They are complicit enablers of the well-practiced system of rape and abuse, cover-up and denial. They are a big part of the problem, and ONLY THEY can put a stop to it by abandoning the rotten-to-the-core Empire of Comforting Lies and letting it implode in on its own foul self.
I would bet quite a few of them are also pretty heavily doing that cognitive dissociation thing, too. They're quite literally holding that the RCC is both a wonderful organization that brings comfort to millions of people and that they've got an 'unfortunate' problem in the after school area. Sure, holding both views isn't healthy, but when you're already into major magical thinking, it's probably easier.
I've long held the opinion that most religions are a form of insanity. I would submit the RCC as one of the best examples.
I think you have a good point about their mental gymnastics and inconsistencies, and how their religious upbringing might make them already set up to be able to tolerate inconsistencies.
One detail I always have to clarify is if by "cognitive dissociation" you mean the more commonly used term "cognitive dissonance," that term is frequently misunderstood. CD does NOT mean having conflicting ideas in one's head, or having ideas that conflict with one's behavior. Cognitive dissonance is the DISCOMFORT that people feel when they realize they have those conflicting thoughts and/or behaviors. It's a GOOD THING that gets us to clean up our sloppy thinking and our hypocrisy. These people avoid feeling cognitive dissonance by various coping strategies such as a thing called "compartmentalizing." They keep their conflicting ideas and/or behaviors in separate mental compartments like the cubby holes in a post office, taking them out and regarding them only one at a time, never at the same time.
This is why they made a big deal out of the nun's corpse. Deflection. Distraction. Cover up.
Usually "Hey, look at this corpse we have!" isn't a good thing.
Well, it's better than the other corpses they have at laundries and boarding schools
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With a heavy dose of magical thinking on the side.
But.. but...she's incorrupt.
I keep making the same suggestion: Ordain only lesbians as priests, monsignors, bishops and cardinals .
Child molestation would drop to near-zero.
Lesbians doesn't exist, it's simply fem... women who need to be put on a straight path.
I've seen video evidence.
Gay for pay.
And all they need is one good m̵a̵n̵ priest to do it.
That's probably why the church won't do it.
Yeah, that He-Man's Wimmin Haterz Club doesn't much like women of ANY kind.
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"Bloody murder" is quite long for a safe word 🤔
"Puppy" works for me.
In many ways... the Catholic Church is a criminal enterprise. Protecting child abusers is one of those ways. Truly sad.
As it comes to that, I've heard more than one comment regarding invoking the RICO act against the church for the very reason that it behaves much like a criminal organization.
Did you ever follow Popehat when he was on Twitter? He's Ken White, first amendment expert, former US attorney, and criminal defense attorney. Apparently federal RICO is so complicated that it's usually easier to get criminal institutions on other charges.
Of course, we are left to wonder if anyone, any institution, especially the Catholic Church, will ever get any criminal charges re all this horrific child sexual abuse.
I also follow Bruce Gerencser (brucegerencser.net) and he is a former fundamentalist turned atheist. And he exposes all the crimes that fundamentalist/evangelical preachers commit, and there is a huge dose of sexual abuse in their authoritarian religions. Turns out the Catholic Church isn't alone in its evil. And yet, people still give these religious institutions plenty of money.
EVERY diocese is a franchise. Suing a diocese does not affect the vatican. A diocese files bankruptcy and the next week they are back in operation.
"especially the Catholic Church, will ever get any criminal charges re all this horrific child sexual abuse."
From what happened in France and Australia, no.
OT: More reasons to #emptythepews https://www.joemygod.com/2023/05/az-church-gives-heros-welcome-to-qanon-shaman/
and this, too. #NotADragQueen
https://www.joemygod.com/2023/05/evangelical-leader-accused-of-sexual-abuse-video/
And finally hug your dogs and try to control your temper.
https://www.joemygod.com/2023/05/baptist-leader-charged-with-poisoning-dogs-video/
Is it possible to come to the US with knives* ? I have a sudden craving to test them on human pigs**. One of my Dogesses was a rescue (coincidentally she was part Labrador).
* One bread knife, one ceramic and one with a Damas blade.
** My most sincere apologies to pigs.
Just buy an assault rifle when you get here. /s
Unlike ammoincels I would want to train before using it so I will waste at least several days. Plus it would be over too soon. Knives are better 😁
The AR platform was designed for rapid familiarization by beginners. One can go from moron to killing machine (still a moron) in short order.
Are they designed for 4, 9 feet people with next to no arm strength too ? 🤔
Pretty much yes. They were issued to very small people in Southeast Asia during the Vietnam war.
Yes. Lightweight.
Internationally I don't know, but you should be able to check them in your luggage. I was in Hawaii a few years ago and as we were cleaning up our room, I took the trash out and found someone had thrown away several knives. It was a really nice chef's knife and a set of 4 paring knives. They were the only things in the surprisingly clean trash can, and I think one of the paring knives was still in it's package. Wrapped them up so they didn't cut anything and put them in the suitcase.
Angeli sounds like he needs serious psychological help more than anything. The man is delusional.
As for the rest, lock them away from other people for a long, long time so they can't hurt anyone else.
All Catholic clergy should be considered pedophiles until proven otherwise.
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I grok.
Did you break into the library?
Side effects from vaccination.
Bitchin' 5G.
B H m said the same thing. :)
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This is among the reasons why people leave the pews for good.
Deus vult? However you take that coded phrase, hopefully heads will roll.*
*I cannot hold my breath that long...
I am not shocked by the church hiding rapists and child molesters like that. Just sad and angry. Very angry.
So now we can add California to the list, as though we didn't already know that all 50 of the United States were besotted with this brand of priestly perversion. I still say, though, the problem remains that civil suits aren't doing enough here. What is needed are 𝗖𝗥𝗜𝗠𝗜𝗡𝗔𝗟 𝗖𝗛𝗔𝗥𝗚𝗘𝗦, and that includes both the priests who abuse their parishioners and their superiors who shuffle offenders around to hide the evidence.
When priests start getting JAILED, it is just possible that the Church as a whole might sit up and take notice. One can hope, at least.
All 50 states? Yep. All 199 countries with a catholic presence? Most likely. Where are the criminal charges? Way too few of those places.
Thing is, I'll stipulate that there may be SOME parishes and/or dioceses where it hasn't occurred ... but then I come back to that postscript scene from 𝑆𝑝𝑜𝑡𝑙𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 again, and I'm reminded of the incredibly pervasive nature of this particular perversion.
The Catholic Church has a LOT to answer for, and thus far, I'm not convinced that they've said boo.
I’m not so sure there are parishes that this hasn’t occurred. There may be churches where the folks who are there now haven’t experienced it, but it might have only happened before the memories of the people (congregants and clergy) in the church. Especially considering how the church managed these incidents in the past by moving around offending priests.
Yet Catholics still claim to be "pro-life?"
We've seen their track record on protecting actual life. Not just children, but women and LGBTQIA+s. Life is sacred to them? Like any other skeptic, I demand evidence that life is sacred to them. Even their opposition to the death penalty is half-hearted at best.
They are first and foremost pro-themselves. For an institution with a history as blood-soaked as the Catholic church's, life is strictly a minor side issue.
"Pro-themselves." Sounds like the GQP.
The difference decreases almost daily.
The gqp are amateurs.
Why don't they refuse communion to governors that sign death warrants?
Too busy refusing Catholic Democrats.
Revenge against karen. https://scontent-ord5-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/349634643_1560570621136291_6046033057226963930_n.jpg?stp=dst-jpg_p843x403&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=V3d4xJ-1KsEAX_vGL_D&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-1.xx&oh=00_AfA-KmLhm78jJfWjmCjbXvBQWIRjqXurmfij6j63XHi56Q&oe=647A6B13
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