Everybody knows that Washington prayed a bunch. He famously prayed before throwing a JFK Quarter across the Hudson River. He was praying to that most athletic of all saints.. Saint Elvis. Bigfoot even showed me the polaroid that BOTH Washington and the King signed.
I think I won this round of lying like Barton. Go ahead,I dare ya all, try and beat me!
Funny how people and organizations like Dave Barton and the NRA who normally despise the ACLU enlist their help when it conveniently suits their needs.
Barton (along with First Liberty) and the gun nuts show they don't have the courage of their convictions. They are (surprise surprise) brazen hypocrites.
Advertisers at least exaggerate for a living, if not outright lie. Barton lies with a consistency which approaches that of the Mango Messiah, though he doesn't get as much press about that. I reluctantly agree with Hemant that the ACLU should win the case, though purely on free speech terms.
I also think there needs to be a fuller disclosure about the elements that Barton wants to promote ... because, yet again, he is lying through his teeth.
Fortunately for Barton, there is no legal definition of a historian, because he may as well be calling himself an astronaut. He lacks the educational credentials to teach American history at the elementary school level. No university that wanted to hold on to its accreditation would hire Barton to teach anything.
𝘏𝘰𝘸 light? Each defendant's letter consists of exactly 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 (and neither sentence is particularly long). Neither contains references to specific actions for which they are sorry, there are no expressions of regret, no acknowledgement of wrongdoing, and certainly no promises to make things right. The "letters" are comparable in tone and word choice to an average corporate termination notice- completely impersonal, detached, and about as warm as the south side of an Antarctic glacier in a blizzard.
They've somehow managed to come across as even less contrite than if they'd just gone with a conventional victim-blaming not-pology... which I suppose is a novel achievement in and of itself.
"It’s almost more surprising that Barton accepted the help.)"
Owning the libs is a tenet of his religion.
If the bus company is owned by the state isn't putting farton's ads promoting one religion on them illegal ?
RATP' buses also have ads on them. I have yet to see one promoting religion or atheism. Most of the time they are for movies or exhibitions. If anyone complained it didn't end in a trial.
David Barton is on a par with David Irving. Unfortunately, even after Irving sued Deborah Libstadt he still has a following. If only we could arrange it so that free speech didn't include lying.
OT but important as hell: A binder containing highly classified information related to Russian election interference went missing at the end of Donald Trump’s presidency, raising alarms among intelligence officials that some of the most closely guarded national security secrets from the US and its allies could be exposed, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
Semi OT : Governements should never meddle with history*, it can easily be turned into propaganda.
Jules Michelet, albeit liberal, was a nationalist and promoted "Le roman hational". Nearly 2 centuries later historians are still debunking his falsehoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Michelet
I'm reminded of a case, some years ago, where an atheist group was trying to get a bus ad placed- I forget in what city (does anyone else remember this one?)- and the ad proposals kept getting rejected as too inflammatory. The message got shorter and shorter and the ad less and less elaborate with each successive proposal, until finally the ad consisted simply of the word "Atheism" on a blank background. The ad 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 got rejected at least once more; I can't recall whether or not it was approved on appeal, or whether there was a lawsuit over it, or what the end result of the whole episode was.
(*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- Based on others' posts below, I suspect I might be thinking of several different cases and misremembering them as the same one. Which... kinda makes it 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘦, come to think of it.)
The point being... we've all seen how Christians react when anyone tries to remind them that theirs isn't the only worldview allowed out in daylight. Hell, we got a potent reminder of their petulance just last night! The examples of Christians attempting- by abuse of authority or, when that fails, by violence- to exclude other viewpoints from public life are too numerous to count... but I can't think offhand of a single instance of religious discrimination in this country, against a Christian, by anyone else besides 𝘢𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 Christian (and certainly not over anything as widely popular in Christian circles as the "Christian Nation" lie).
So... I'm gonna go ahead and "Press X to Doubt" that there was any religious discrimination involved here. I somehow can't see there being enough non-Christians, let alone non-Christians who actively 𝘩𝘢𝘵𝘦 Christians, in whichever WMATA office approves transit ads to 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 engage in anti-Christian discrimination with any degree of success. It's far more likely that someone in the office recognized the proposed ads for the misinformation they are, or that some other factor led to the rejection.
Everybody knows that Washington prayed a bunch. He famously prayed before throwing a JFK Quarter across the Hudson River. He was praying to that most athletic of all saints.. Saint Elvis. Bigfoot even showed me the polaroid that BOTH Washington and the King signed.
I think I won this round of lying like Barton. Go ahead,I dare ya all, try and beat me!
Somehow I doubt First Libery would return the favor if the Satanic Temple had an ad rejected.
Never get involved in a land war in Asia.
Never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line!
Never trust David Barton.
Funny how people and organizations like Dave Barton and the NRA who normally despise the ACLU enlist their help when it conveniently suits their needs.
Barton (along with First Liberty) and the gun nuts show they don't have the courage of their convictions. They are (surprise surprise) brazen hypocrites.
"Find the perfect gift."
I got that 'gift' as a child. I exchanged it.
Advertisers at least exaggerate for a living, if not outright lie. Barton lies with a consistency which approaches that of the Mango Messiah, though he doesn't get as much press about that. I reluctantly agree with Hemant that the ACLU should win the case, though purely on free speech terms.
I also think there needs to be a fuller disclosure about the elements that Barton wants to promote ... because, yet again, he is lying through his teeth.
Fortunately for Barton, there is no legal definition of a historian, because he may as well be calling himself an astronaut. He lacks the educational credentials to teach American history at the elementary school level. No university that wanted to hold on to its accreditation would hire Barton to teach anything.
OT- In a development that should surprise nobody, the apology letters written by former Team Chump attorneys Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro as part of their plea deals are 𝘫𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘶𝘴𝘵 a little bit light on substance and sincerity: https://apnews.com/article/georgia-election-case-apology-letters-powell-chesebro-15a8facccf0ee6f1f25b70af6bed8801
𝘏𝘰𝘸 light? Each defendant's letter consists of exactly 𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 (and neither sentence is particularly long). Neither contains references to specific actions for which they are sorry, there are no expressions of regret, no acknowledgement of wrongdoing, and certainly no promises to make things right. The "letters" are comparable in tone and word choice to an average corporate termination notice- completely impersonal, detached, and about as warm as the south side of an Antarctic glacier in a blizzard.
They've somehow managed to come across as even less contrite than if they'd just gone with a conventional victim-blaming not-pology... which I suppose is a novel achievement in and of itself.
On topic
https://www.salon.com/2023/12/13/how-convinced-themselves-america-was-meant-to-be-a-christian-nation/
"It’s almost more surprising that Barton accepted the help.)"
Owning the libs is a tenet of his religion.
If the bus company is owned by the state isn't putting farton's ads promoting one religion on them illegal ?
RATP' buses also have ads on them. I have yet to see one promoting religion or atheism. Most of the time they are for movies or exhibitions. If anyone complained it didn't end in a trial.
Ha Ha
Rudy Giuliani ordered to pay nearly $150 million in damages.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/rudy-giuliani-defamation-trial-verdict/index.html
David Barton is on a par with David Irving. Unfortunately, even after Irving sued Deborah Libstadt he still has a following. If only we could arrange it so that free speech didn't include lying.
A quarter of U.S. congregations in the United Methodist Church have received permission to leave the denomination during a five-year window : https://apnews.com/article/70b8c89ea49174597f4548c249bab24f
OT but important as hell: A binder containing highly classified information related to Russian election interference went missing at the end of Donald Trump’s presidency, raising alarms among intelligence officials that some of the most closely guarded national security secrets from the US and its allies could be exposed, sources familiar with the matter told CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/12/politics/missing-russia-intelligence-trump-dg/
Semi OT : Governements should never meddle with history*, it can easily be turned into propaganda.
Jules Michelet, albeit liberal, was a nationalist and promoted "Le roman hational". Nearly 2 centuries later historians are still debunking his falsehoods https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jules_Michelet
* Or medicine.
I'm reminded of a case, some years ago, where an atheist group was trying to get a bus ad placed- I forget in what city (does anyone else remember this one?)- and the ad proposals kept getting rejected as too inflammatory. The message got shorter and shorter and the ad less and less elaborate with each successive proposal, until finally the ad consisted simply of the word "Atheism" on a blank background. The ad 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 got rejected at least once more; I can't recall whether or not it was approved on appeal, or whether there was a lawsuit over it, or what the end result of the whole episode was.
(*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- Based on others' posts below, I suspect I might be thinking of several different cases and misremembering them as the same one. Which... kinda makes it 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘦, come to think of it.)
The point being... we've all seen how Christians react when anyone tries to remind them that theirs isn't the only worldview allowed out in daylight. Hell, we got a potent reminder of their petulance just last night! The examples of Christians attempting- by abuse of authority or, when that fails, by violence- to exclude other viewpoints from public life are too numerous to count... but I can't think offhand of a single instance of religious discrimination in this country, against a Christian, by anyone else besides 𝘢𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 Christian (and certainly not over anything as widely popular in Christian circles as the "Christian Nation" lie).
So... I'm gonna go ahead and "Press X to Doubt" that there was any religious discrimination involved here. I somehow can't see there being enough non-Christians, let alone non-Christians who actively 𝘩𝘢𝘵𝘦 Christians, in whichever WMATA office approves transit ads to 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 engage in anti-Christian discrimination with any degree of success. It's far more likely that someone in the office recognized the proposed ads for the misinformation they are, or that some other factor led to the rejection.