Phenomenal. Whatever Micah Young and Sandi Walker thought to accomplish with their surreptitious actions of bringing not just an uncleared film crew but one whose politics were questionable at best, all they managed to do was to force themselves to update their respective resumes. I'm not even certain that, if the crew had been neutral, the result would have been any different. Seriously, why even attempt to bring a film or video team to a school WITHOUT THE SCHOOL'S APPROVAL?!? All this demonstrates to me is that Young and Walker are either utterly daft and without even a scintilla of discriminatory facilities or they are so full of themselves that they thought, "Oh, it's for JEEEZUS, so it's okay."
If the hubris were any thicker, you could swim in it.
Does religion cause irrationality? Or does irrationality pedispose one to religion?
My very Mormon visiting nurse was here and he prattled on about some new Kennedy conspiracy book. Is he religious because? Or does religion create this obsession with conspiracy theories?
I think it is time in our lives for us to get very blunt and in these people's faces. We need to ask whether they believe this shit and if they say they do we need to tell them how fucking ignorant they are.
I used to use a mobile vet who was a Mormon. She was a good person, and clearly educated, but occasionally she would say crazy things. And after a while, she'd kind of catch herself, as if she was aware that what she was saying was nuts, and say something to the effect that she didn't understand it, but it was in the book of Mormon, so they must have been on to *something* or else it wouldn't have been written there. Kind of the same "if there is smoke there is fire" reasoning that people apply to things like the pyramids when speculating about ancient Egyptians and engineering chops. It was a great example of just how good the brainwashing was. She was an intelligent, otherwise rational person. The brainwashing provided the bucket of "extra-rationality" she could put things into in order to avoid the conflict of knowing she was spouting B.S.
Well it's not like there are any dangerous activities happening in schools to where we need to worry about strangers coming into the schools and harming the students-right?
Maybe it's going to take raising proselytizing in the public schools to a criminal offense to keep the preachers out of the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. They will scream bloody murder about how they're being persecuted, but they will do that anyway so let them. These are the people who would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere suggestion some non-Christian group might be allowed to talk to their children.
That is not really unusual. If I had a dollar for every time some religionut wished me dead for being Gay I would have a new Mercedes. AND a mansion bigger than osteen's shack.
Violating privacy rights of minors? Why aren’t the parents filing a suit? I’d see those MFkrs in jail and paying civil fines after they lost their mortgages .
You make an excellent point. A class-action suit would be utterly apropos, though it would have to be aimed properly, particularly at Young and Walker and those who had worked under the table to bring the film crew in.
I doubt such a thing will happen, but it wouldn't bother me to see that go down.
Unbelievable. Well, maybe not, as these deluded evangelicals will break every rule, trample on procedures and engage in deceptive practices at will. That film crew didn't have permission to film the students; it's standard procedure to get signed releases from anyone being filmed. When my wife and a film partner were shooting a documentary in Afghanistan and Iraq, that's what they did. This mess makes me wonder if there isn't a lawsuit coming down soon.
I live pretty close by to there (~50 miles). Keller ISD was also one of the only school districts in TX to vote to allow chaplains into the school in place of real counselors.
I'm in the neighborhood as well. Even members of the clergy were opposed to Abbott's plan to bring chaplains into the public schools. They were at least smart enough to realize they're not remotely qualified to fill the role of a school counselor.
I suspected the community leaned that way. Not solidly, as the perps did act surreptitiously, but enough so that they thought they'd get away with it, then an insincere asking for forgiveness was all they felt they should put out.
...if it wasn't for you meddling kids (and parents)!
It's red, but not bright red. Voter registration is 55-44 in favor of the republicans, and Tarrant county, to which is belongs, went D by a small margin last elections. But that's TX - it's a purple state where the far right has a death grip on the leadership positions. This school board is a microcosm of that.
Yeah, and they’re really purple too, it’s just the GOP hasn’t been able to cheat in them yet.
OT sort of, I saw a bumper sticker at the clinic today that said “I’m not rich enough to vote Republican”. I thought it was clever, but I’d add I’m not stupid enough to it.
They're trying to do that in Indiana right now. It will succeed because this state is crazy red. Even Pastors have told the state legislature it was a bad idea but... jesus.
"After spending time in prayer... I have made the decision to resign from my position as a School Board Trustee... My faith is in Jesus and I can rest in the confidence of knowing His plans are good."
Even Jesus knows you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a school board.
I feel the outrage! Why did they have these furrners breaking the rules in a good old Murrikan school? Aren't there any Real Patriot wingnuts with a camcorder who could wingnut just as well as these Tulip People? In Texass no less! Why are they letting them Steal Our Jobs?
I chalk that up to sectarian conflict more than secularism. IOW the Board member and film crew were some different sect than most of the parents, and the parents are upset at the attempt at poaching, rather than being upset at the idea of religion in school.
Of course, "upset at the attempt at poaching" is probably how the 1st amendment's religious clauses got started, so even if my cynicism is correct, that sort of response is at least secularism-adjacent.
When we get a more representative Congress, or perhaps I should say if, we must stop ignoring the abhorrent danger of subsidizing religion! It is based on a made up fantasy of pre-science men. Religion must NEVER be given tax money from the government! Looking the other way for decades on end is no longer acceptable. The explosion of people saying they do not have religion is showing what a mighty group we are. We need to come together and be sure to put open atheists and those supporting separation of State/church in office! Even many progressive politicians are spewing religious talk from their offices, attending absurd government or public business, or school prayer sessions! These Substack writings are very important. Join religion free groups or start one! Look into FFRF.org. (Over 40,000 members!) They fight our legal battles.
"Hey Sandi, y'know what would play really well with our fellow Republicans? If we got a shot of a book we don't like in the library!"
"Great idea, Micah- let's use this book, which we totally just had a copy of lying around even though we hate it!"
"Shit... we already banned this book. How are we supposed to prove that we need to ban this book when we already banned this book?"
"Hmmm... oh wait, I know- we'll bring our own copy into the library and pretend we found it there!"
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These fucking people, I swear... and hey, why waste a perfectly good chance to shit on trans kids? One of 'em might even be in earshot, and they might get lucky and drive the kid to suicide!
I’m guessing the two people sneaking in the film crew thought Jesus would approve, regardless if others didn’t, religious or not. I’m calling chutzpah with a dose of meshuga.
Phenomenal. Whatever Micah Young and Sandi Walker thought to accomplish with their surreptitious actions of bringing not just an uncleared film crew but one whose politics were questionable at best, all they managed to do was to force themselves to update their respective resumes. I'm not even certain that, if the crew had been neutral, the result would have been any different. Seriously, why even attempt to bring a film or video team to a school WITHOUT THE SCHOOL'S APPROVAL?!? All this demonstrates to me is that Young and Walker are either utterly daft and without even a scintilla of discriminatory facilities or they are so full of themselves that they thought, "Oh, it's for JEEEZUS, so it's okay."
If the hubris were any thicker, you could swim in it.
Slap the word Christian on something, and it's instantly okay with these folks.
When it should be just the opposite.
Indeed, but if these were rational people we wouldn't be dealing with the problem.
Does religion cause irrationality? Or does irrationality pedispose one to religion?
My very Mormon visiting nurse was here and he prattled on about some new Kennedy conspiracy book. Is he religious because? Or does religion create this obsession with conspiracy theories?
I think it is time in our lives for us to get very blunt and in these people's faces. We need to ask whether they believe this shit and if they say they do we need to tell them how fucking ignorant they are.
Good question. In any event it is a symbiotic relationship.
I used to use a mobile vet who was a Mormon. She was a good person, and clearly educated, but occasionally she would say crazy things. And after a while, she'd kind of catch herself, as if she was aware that what she was saying was nuts, and say something to the effect that she didn't understand it, but it was in the book of Mormon, so they must have been on to *something* or else it wouldn't have been written there. Kind of the same "if there is smoke there is fire" reasoning that people apply to things like the pyramids when speculating about ancient Egyptians and engineering chops. It was a great example of just how good the brainwashing was. She was an intelligent, otherwise rational person. The brainwashing provided the bucket of "extra-rationality" she could put things into in order to avoid the conflict of knowing she was spouting B.S.
Or is it a vicious circle, with one amplifying the other?
Well it's not like there are any dangerous activities happening in schools to where we need to worry about strangers coming into the schools and harming the students-right?
lBut they got some points on jeebus' scoreboard and that's all that matters to evangelical idiots.
Maybe it's going to take raising proselytizing in the public schools to a criminal offense to keep the preachers out of the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. They will scream bloody murder about how they're being persecuted, but they will do that anyway so let them. These are the people who would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere suggestion some non-Christian group might be allowed to talk to their children.
Jesus is the patron saint of paranoia.
Whereas Anoia¹ is the Goddess of Things That Get Stuck in Drawers.
https://wiki.lspace.org/Anoia
(¹ She's only one, though...had she been conjoined twins she'd be pair-Anoia.)
I see what you did there. :D
Texass: 0 days without embarrassing itself.
Sandi Walker, KISD School Board
Trustee Place 3, is so blindly self-righteous, she is unquestionably the kind of Christian who would kill for Jesus.
That is not really unusual. If I had a dollar for every time some religionut wished me dead for being Gay I would have a new Mercedes. AND a mansion bigger than osteen's shack.
Exactly - not WWJD.
The problem is that all of Jesus' various followers think what they would do IS what Jesus would do.
And the contradictory messages in their book really doesn't contradict that mindset.
True to point. I will, however, point to the difference of the actual teachings and then those in the Epistles as the real problem.
Which ones are the actual teachings and which ones are stuff people made up later?
Violating privacy rights of minors? Why aren’t the parents filing a suit? I’d see those MFkrs in jail and paying civil fines after they lost their mortgages .
You make an excellent point. A class-action suit would be utterly apropos, though it would have to be aimed properly, particularly at Young and Walker and those who had worked under the table to bring the film crew in.
I doubt such a thing will happen, but it wouldn't bother me to see that go down.
If the parents don’t do it, the kids should. A call to the ACLU might get the ball rolling.
Agreed. Throw the (banned) book at them.
They've banned so many that ALL the books should be thrown at them.
Perhaps rather than books, we should start banning Christians from schools for the safety of students.
THIS failure.
https://scontent-ord5-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/428597370_1620665828719773_8561532658120967185_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=3635dc&_nc_ohc=Aale9dVmkg8AX94MuLR&_nc_ht=scontent-ord5-2.xx&oh=00_AfC653kg-8FJlqIZmk7uRmQLF9julSIJTJIkSid_iG8-rw&oe=65D7975D
𝑌𝑜𝑢 𝑒𝑖𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑟 𝑦𝑜𝑢 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑎 𝐺𝑜𝑑 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑦 𝑤𝑎𝑡𝑐ℎ𝑒𝑠 𝑖𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠, “𝑊ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢’𝑟𝑒 𝑑𝑜𝑛𝑒, 𝐼’𝑚 𝑔𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑝𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑠ℎ 𝑦𝑜𝑢.” 𝐼𝑓 𝐼 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑠𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑎 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑜𝑛 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑟𝑎𝑝𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑, 𝐼 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑. 𝑇ℎ𝑎𝑡’𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑑𝑖𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑡𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑛 𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝐺𝑜𝑑.
-- Tracie Harris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QSaJji6kQ8
Unbelievable. Well, maybe not, as these deluded evangelicals will break every rule, trample on procedures and engage in deceptive practices at will. That film crew didn't have permission to film the students; it's standard procedure to get signed releases from anyone being filmed. When my wife and a film partner were shooting a documentary in Afghanistan and Iraq, that's what they did. This mess makes me wonder if there isn't a lawsuit coming down soon.
True believers have never had a problem justifying their behavior, no matter how awful. It certainly isn't limited to Christianity.
Though their godthing certainly is insecure enough to tell them to break laws in its name, then claim they are "persecuted" when they get arrested.
I live pretty close by to there (~50 miles). Keller ISD was also one of the only school districts in TX to vote to allow chaplains into the school in place of real counselors.
I'm in the neighborhood as well. Even members of the clergy were opposed to Abbott's plan to bring chaplains into the public schools. They were at least smart enough to realize they're not remotely qualified to fill the role of a school counselor.
I suspected the community leaned that way. Not solidly, as the perps did act surreptitiously, but enough so that they thought they'd get away with it, then an insincere asking for forgiveness was all they felt they should put out.
...if it wasn't for you meddling kids (and parents)!
It's red, but not bright red. Voter registration is 55-44 in favor of the republicans, and Tarrant county, to which is belongs, went D by a small margin last elections. But that's TX - it's a purple state where the far right has a death grip on the leadership positions. This school board is a microcosm of that.
Iowa is like that, too.
The entire country is like that.
Well, there are Blue states.
Yeah, and they’re really purple too, it’s just the GOP hasn’t been able to cheat in them yet.
OT sort of, I saw a bumper sticker at the clinic today that said “I’m not rich enough to vote Republican”. I thought it was clever, but I’d add I’m not stupid enough to it.
Did you read the article about Tim Dunn that someone posted yesterday?
I had not. Thanks. I just googled him and found an article in TX monthly. This is some really scary stuff and not at all surprising.
They're trying to do that in Indiana right now. It will succeed because this state is crazy red. Even Pastors have told the state legislature it was a bad idea but... jesus.
Papa
Romeo
Oscar
Juliet
Echo
Charlie
Tango
India
Oscar
November
That's all they have. They believe others "mess with kids," because that is exactly what they do.
By?
Videoing them without parental permission?
Did you read her letter to The Dallas Express?
Oh FFS. Jessie 24:7
"After spending time in prayer... I have made the decision to resign from my position as a School Board Trustee... My faith is in Jesus and I can rest in the confidence of knowing His plans are good."
Even Jesus knows you shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a school board.
I feel the outrage! Why did they have these furrners breaking the rules in a good old Murrikan school? Aren't there any Real Patriot wingnuts with a camcorder who could wingnut just as well as these Tulip People? In Texass no less! Why are they letting them Steal Our Jobs?
You're tilting at windmills.
A pun thread? That puts me in a gouda mood.
And now I have the Mun-chees.
Should I participate? Some are wild about cheese pun threads while others warn against them.
Edam if you do, edam if you don't.
Masdaam, I nearly missed this one.
For the record, a messianic rabbi is a Christian preacher; a Jewish to Christian convert. Mazel tov.
What surprises me about the narrative is the fact that there is robust pushback, ... in Texas
I chalk that up to sectarian conflict more than secularism. IOW the Board member and film crew were some different sect than most of the parents, and the parents are upset at the attempt at poaching, rather than being upset at the idea of religion in school.
Of course, "upset at the attempt at poaching" is probably how the 1st amendment's religious clauses got started, so even if my cynicism is correct, that sort of response is at least secularism-adjacent.
When we get a more representative Congress, or perhaps I should say if, we must stop ignoring the abhorrent danger of subsidizing religion! It is based on a made up fantasy of pre-science men. Religion must NEVER be given tax money from the government! Looking the other way for decades on end is no longer acceptable. The explosion of people saying they do not have religion is showing what a mighty group we are. We need to come together and be sure to put open atheists and those supporting separation of State/church in office! Even many progressive politicians are spewing religious talk from their offices, attending absurd government or public business, or school prayer sessions! These Substack writings are very important. Join religion free groups or start one! Look into FFRF.org. (Over 40,000 members!) They fight our legal battles.
I am thankful that I can still get honest news.
And yet science has proved that man and dinosaurs coexisted as this film from NASA proves:
https://youtu.be/FQDRJ9aK0mY?si=n6b9mA5phsU7tAzf
From the folks that gave us Gilligan's Island and The Brady Bunch.
Not to mention Dusty's Trail (Bob Denver and Forrest Tucker), Big John, Little John and Harper Valley PTA.
"𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘞𝘢𝘭𝘬𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘠𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘨, 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘰𝘮 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘧𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘣𝘰𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘮𝘱𝘢𝘪𝘨𝘯𝘴 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵-𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘗𝘢𝘵𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘵 𝘔𝘰𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘦, 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘬𝘪𝘥𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘣𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘰𝘰𝘬 “𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘣𝘳𝘢𝘳𝘺 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘢𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘢.” 𝘖𝘯𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 “𝘴𝘯𝘶𝘤𝘬 𝘪𝘯 [𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩] 𝘢 𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘰𝘳.”"
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"Hey Sandi, y'know what would play really well with our fellow Republicans? If we got a shot of a book we don't like in the library!"
"Great idea, Micah- let's use this book, which we totally just had a copy of lying around even though we hate it!"
"Shit... we already banned this book. How are we supposed to prove that we need to ban this book when we already banned this book?"
"Hmmm... oh wait, I know- we'll bring our own copy into the library and pretend we found it there!"
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These fucking people, I swear... and hey, why waste a perfectly good chance to shit on trans kids? One of 'em might even be in earshot, and they might get lucky and drive the kid to suicide!
With friends like jeezuz, who needs enemies?
God needs an enemy.
He created his own enemy (Satan).
That takes a special kind of stupid.
Every great story needs a villain
"Every great story..."
That leaves out the bible. :)
Isn't that Donald J. Trump's raison d'être?
I’m guessing the two people sneaking in the film crew thought Jesus would approve, regardless if others didn’t, religious or not. I’m calling chutzpah with a dose of meshuga.