It just never ends, and it needs to. It is NEVER the job of our secular government to backstop anyoneโs religion. The people pushing his measure would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere suggestion of school children being required to read from the Koran. Do these fools realize this is an open admission the churches have failed to get their message out? The people who approved this measure need to be held personally liable for the costs of defending it in court.
And given how infused Christianity is in American culture do they really believe that kids don't understand what the Golden Rule is or how Christianity affects our daily lives? This is as stupid and absurd as forcing schools to post the Ten Commandments in every classroom.
You need to review ๐๐ฃ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ท. ๐๐ค๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฑ, specifically this part of the majority opinion from Justice Clark'
"We repeat and again reaffirm that neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person 'to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion.' Neither can it constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against non-believers, and neither can it aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs."
What you are doing is blatantly unconstitutional. The Bible was not removed from schools, you don't need to bring the "word of god" into the schools, students have always been able to access the bible. What is unconstitutional is requiring bible readings without any sort of secular context. Telling high school students about biblical passages that influenced historical events and literary references, ok. Telling kindergarten children that the golden rule came from Jesus belongs at church, not the public school.
If I were a Texas English teacher I would absolutely take the opportunity to get into critical historical Bible studies and/or put it in a world mythology unit ๐๐๐
โAnd while the law allowed parents to remove their children from religious lessons, the way this program is structured, that created problems for the students:โ
How would that even work? Opting out of these religious lessons? Especially in kindergarten and early grades, will the teachers have to stop the lesson, read the names of students and send them into the hall while they manage a five minute lesson on the sermon on the mount, then pull those kids back in for the next five minute block? Who will supervise the kids in the hall? What lesson with those children get for that time, or will they just miss out on learning for that time? How much time do these board members think it takes to remove students from a lesson and then bring them back in, how do they think the class will keep up with the lessons when they spend all this time shuffling children around for the lessons the parents approve of? I know the board just assumes everyone will just ignore the blatant first amendment violations and theyโll get the kids who arenโt already Christian to hear The Word and suddenly become believers.
And that lesson, it barely touches on the golden rule and focuses more on the โcontextโ and not the actual lesson of the golden rule. I mean, itโs not like the Christian members of the school board understand the golden rule anyway. Do they think indoctrinating other peopleโs kids into their religion is something that is exempt from the golden rule? We all know if any other religion would try this these assholes would scream bloody murder. So there is no โdo unto others as you would have done to youโ happening here.
โ Do they think indoctrinating other peopleโs kids into their religion is something that is exempt from the golden rule?โ
No, they honestly believe that, if they were not Christian, they would welcome someone converting them to Christianity. Seriously. Iโve had that convo. โI would want to be saved if I wasnโt already saved.โ
They cut Frederick Douglass from the reading list. I wonder why? Oh yeah, the speech they cut was about slavery.
I could come up with a good lesson for them with bible passages. Teach them about how the slave owners of Texas used the bible (Exodus 20 etc) to justify owning people.
Strange, the Texas School Board folks don't seem to understand that it really isn't the "Christian" Bible. Seems to me that the Old Testament is canonical in the Jewish tradition.
"Here's your homework, class. Read the Book of Numbers and explain how it helps us live more moral lives, such as in verses 17 and 18: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
500 years before the Unjesus allegedly walked the earth, Kung Fu tzu in China formulated this, far more explicit than the watered down imitation of the UnJesus:
DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO DO TO YOU.
It turns out the cheap imitation did not come from China, but the other way around.
Those TX fundie bozos need to explain why are there multitude versions of the Golden Rule prevalent BEFORE the advent of Christianity, not after. Just as creationists need to explain why are there multitudes of flood myths worldwide dated BEFORE the alleged year of Noah's Flood, not after.
I'd like to get an answer from them on the following...
If the Egyptians were already ancient by the time of the "great flood" found in Genesis, then they would have all drowned. So where did the Egyptians and their civilation come from in the pages of Exodus?
Dumb Idiot Ken Ham claims that Egypt was founded shortly after the Flood ended by one of the sons of Ham as told in Genesis 10:6. Never mind that Egypt has been around for a whopping 5,000 years, much longer than the alleged year of the Flood! In spite of it being nestled along the banks of the Nile river, Egypt completely lack any kind of Flood story in all of their mythology.
Having the children tear Noah apart would be a nice opportunity for malicious complience. Questions such as: If the ridiculous box took five hundred years to build, how much of it was already rotting before the first animal set hoof on it? How much time each day would be needed for seven people to dispose of the thousands of animals thousands of pounds of shit? How long could they do it before methane poisoning killed them all? How many cockroaches can be hatched in just a single month? How long before the cockroaches completey infested the entire box? How long would it take for termites and carpenter ants to sink a ridiculous unseaworthy box? So many ways to counteract the iron age plagerism of ignorant goat humpers.
3 days? If a sperm whale (the only kind of whale that can swallow a human) actually consumed the fictitous Jonah he would have died in minutes, crushed by either his teeth or intense throat muscles. OR..if actually he made it to the whale's belly filled with digestive fluids...he'd have died from chemical burns as a result of those stomach acids.
It's like YHVH had no knowledge of how his own creations actually worked.
Texass xtians grooming kids. Child molesters, the lot.
And bravo for that viral vid by Matilda Miller.
It just never ends, and it needs to. It is NEVER the job of our secular government to backstop anyoneโs religion. The people pushing his measure would go out of their tiny little minds at the mere suggestion of school children being required to read from the Koran. Do these fools realize this is an open admission the churches have failed to get their message out? The people who approved this measure need to be held personally liable for the costs of defending it in court.
And given how infused Christianity is in American culture do they really believe that kids don't understand what the Golden Rule is or how Christianity affects our daily lives? This is as stupid and absurd as forcing schools to post the Ten Commandments in every classroom.
๐โ๐๐ ๐ค๐๐ข๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐บ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ก๐ ๐ ๐โ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ข๐ ๐ค๐๐ฆ ๐๐๐ ๐กโ๐ ๐๐๐๐ ๐ก ๐ก๐๐๐ ๐๐ ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ .
Mr Hall:
You need to review ๐๐ฃ๐ช๐ฏ๐จ๐ต๐ฐ๐ฏ ๐ท. ๐๐ค๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ฑ, specifically this part of the majority opinion from Justice Clark'
"We repeat and again reaffirm that neither a State nor the Federal Government can constitutionally force a person 'to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion.' Neither can it constitutionally pass laws or impose requirements which aid all religions as against non-believers, and neither can it aid those religions based on a belief in the existence of God as against those religions founded on different beliefs."
What you are doing is blatantly unconstitutional. The Bible was not removed from schools, you don't need to bring the "word of god" into the schools, students have always been able to access the bible. What is unconstitutional is requiring bible readings without any sort of secular context. Telling high school students about biblical passages that influenced historical events and literary references, ok. Telling kindergarten children that the golden rule came from Jesus belongs at church, not the public school.
If I were a Texas English teacher I would absolutely take the opportunity to get into critical historical Bible studies and/or put it in a world mythology unit ๐๐๐
Me too. There just arenโt enough people like us in Texas. Or any other state for that matter.
โAnd while the law allowed parents to remove their children from religious lessons, the way this program is structured, that created problems for the students:โ
How would that even work? Opting out of these religious lessons? Especially in kindergarten and early grades, will the teachers have to stop the lesson, read the names of students and send them into the hall while they manage a five minute lesson on the sermon on the mount, then pull those kids back in for the next five minute block? Who will supervise the kids in the hall? What lesson with those children get for that time, or will they just miss out on learning for that time? How much time do these board members think it takes to remove students from a lesson and then bring them back in, how do they think the class will keep up with the lessons when they spend all this time shuffling children around for the lessons the parents approve of? I know the board just assumes everyone will just ignore the blatant first amendment violations and theyโll get the kids who arenโt already Christian to hear The Word and suddenly become believers.
And that lesson, it barely touches on the golden rule and focuses more on the โcontextโ and not the actual lesson of the golden rule. I mean, itโs not like the Christian members of the school board understand the golden rule anyway. Do they think indoctrinating other peopleโs kids into their religion is something that is exempt from the golden rule? We all know if any other religion would try this these assholes would scream bloody murder. So there is no โdo unto others as you would have done to youโ happening here.
โ Do they think indoctrinating other peopleโs kids into their religion is something that is exempt from the golden rule?โ
No, they honestly believe that, if they were not Christian, they would welcome someone converting them to Christianity. Seriously. Iโve had that convo. โI would want to be saved if I wasnโt already saved.โ
They cut Frederick Douglass from the reading list. I wonder why? Oh yeah, the speech they cut was about slavery.
I could come up with a good lesson for them with bible passages. Teach them about how the slave owners of Texas used the bible (Exodus 20 etc) to justify owning people.
Every constitution in the Confederacy made slavery a guaranteed right. All 11 states.
Teach the kids about Lot, both just before Sodomโs destruction and the aftermath.
Strange, the Texas School Board folks don't seem to understand that it really isn't the "Christian" Bible. Seems to me that the Old Testament is canonical in the Jewish tradition.
"Here's your homework, class. Read the Book of Numbers and explain how it helps us live more moral lives, such as in verses 17 and 18: Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
500 years before the Unjesus allegedly walked the earth, Kung Fu tzu in China formulated this, far more explicit than the watered down imitation of the UnJesus:
DO NOT DO UNTO OTHERS WHAT YOU WOULD NOT WANT THEM TO DO TO YOU.
It turns out the cheap imitation did not come from China, but the other way around.
"We need prayer warriors to intercede for this vote."
It's almost as if their god is impotent or doesn't exist since it needs the help of puny humans to do its dirty work.
Prayer warriors intereceding. Hmm. Wouldnโt telling god to push this through constitute voter fraud?
Wanna have kids reading bible stories, o Lone Brain Cell State? Then keep it confined to xtian children in Sunday school, where it belongs.
Here's where the problem festers:
"Thatโs why people in Texas should object loudly to whatโs happening."
Texas voted for this shit. Dumbocracy.
Those TX fundie bozos need to explain why are there multitude versions of the Golden Rule prevalent BEFORE the advent of Christianity, not after. Just as creationists need to explain why are there multitudes of flood myths worldwide dated BEFORE the alleged year of Noah's Flood, not after.
I'd like to get an answer from them on the following...
If the Egyptians were already ancient by the time of the "great flood" found in Genesis, then they would have all drowned. So where did the Egyptians and their civilation come from in the pages of Exodus?
Dumb Idiot Ken Ham claims that Egypt was founded shortly after the Flood ended by one of the sons of Ham as told in Genesis 10:6. Never mind that Egypt has been around for a whopping 5,000 years, much longer than the alleged year of the Flood! In spite of it being nestled along the banks of the Nile river, Egypt completely lack any kind of Flood story in all of their mythology.
Ken Verybigliar.
And that guy was very busy, considering the population of Egypt at the time.
Having the children tear Noah apart would be a nice opportunity for malicious complience. Questions such as: If the ridiculous box took five hundred years to build, how much of it was already rotting before the first animal set hoof on it? How much time each day would be needed for seven people to dispose of the thousands of animals thousands of pounds of shit? How long could they do it before methane poisoning killed them all? How many cockroaches can be hatched in just a single month? How long before the cockroaches completey infested the entire box? How long would it take for termites and carpenter ants to sink a ridiculous unseaworthy box? So many ways to counteract the iron age plagerism of ignorant goat humpers.
โJonah and the Whaleโ
Will there be a lesson on why fish are not mammals?
Jonah 1:17: "Now the Lord provided a huge fish to swallow Jonah, and Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights".
Jonah 2:10: "And the Lord commanded the fish, and it vomited Jonah onto dry land".
3 days? If a sperm whale (the only kind of whale that can swallow a human) actually consumed the fictitous Jonah he would have died in minutes, crushed by either his teeth or intense throat muscles. OR..if actually he made it to the whale's belly filled with digestive fluids...he'd have died from chemical burns as a result of those stomach acids.
It's like YHVH had no knowledge of how his own creations actually worked.
Details details.
Unrelated, Iโm having a 15 rounder with DG from a few days ago. Iโm about to give up on him making sense.