Conservative Christians never stop trying to mark their territory in the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars. Forcing religion on today's kids isn't going to have the happy ending they're hoping for. The fool who wrote this bill would go out of his tiny little mind if anyone suggested reading from the Koran.
Well, they can't do it because it's their religion is actually a good idea, although it may be a necessary investment as a safety net where the state only cares about rich people being comfortable. Good Ole Time Pilgrim Prosperity Gospel, there.
When I went to school in the 1970ies, a prayer before school lunch was common. After a few years I refused praying, and in return was refused eating lunch AND reported to the head of the school. My mother had a meeting with the headmaster. No-one had to say a prayer before lunch after that.
Oh, does THAT speak volumes! Tells me more than anything else that the authors of this bill KNOW that what they're proposing isn't just controversial but ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL ... and they'll have to do some fancy dancing to avoid liability.
“Hello? Freedom From Religion Foundation? Yeah, I got another one for ya!”
"The bill gives the game away on the last page. By removing the word "encourage" from the list of things staff can't do to students regarding prayer, the bill is explicitly aimed at allowing staff to pressure kids to pray."
Promise not to sue 𝘢𝘯𝘥 direct pressure from school staff? They might as well fill out the forms and pay the filing fee for the FFRF.
I guess all of Texas' other issues and problems (like their lousy power grid) have all been magically resolved. They must have been if lawmakers there have time and taxpayer dollars to waste on this monumentally unconstitutional bill.
Yup. Everything is bigger in Texas. Including glaring incompetence.
The lousy power grid problems are caused by us French, we pay gays to have a normal life because Texass dared to name one of their town/city from our beloved capital 😝
Somewhere between 25 and 40 % I guess. If I remember a study I read about a few years ago. If this was in Norway, my guess would be 50 %. But here very few parents would consent to something their atheist child would not want.
Earth to any remaining moderate Republicans- 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶. You can wait for the party to turn on you, or you can GTFO and try to build a better party to replace it, but you've already lost the battle. There's no saving the GQP. The lunatics are running the asylum. You can't reason with them... you can only try to keep them away from the matches and the gasoline.
And since today's Democratic party is pretty much identical to the Republican party of a few decades ago, there's no sensible reason for "moderate" Republicans not to jump ship and join them there evil satanic Democrats.
Well, for those with a memory and with actual experience in the GOP from then, just no, and from those with memories growing up in a blue-collar Democratic machine city, no, too.
Will it be decided by the State ? The county? The schools ? The one who lead the prayers ? If it's the two formers, what about a school where the majority of students are catholics but is in a protestant county ? What if the majority of students are not christians* ?
* In my high school I think at least half of the students were from Muslims families. The only clubs allowed in public schools are sports clubs lead by PE teachers.
Interesting. Just before they gave up on corporal punishment, they did a survey – there was a so-called "punishment book" and found out that this particular PE teacher was doing 95% of all the corporal punishment in the school. He was pretty much the only one who objected to abandoning it.
At my brother's, junior high school in Benld, IL, the woodshop teacher used a router to engrave "THINK" into his paddle. He would chalk it up so the poor student would have the word on their posterior for the rest of the day.
Back then (the late 70s), Benld had a population of 800, and they now have a population of 1,400.
Genesis 38 is a good start. The slavery stuff from Exodus and Leviticus. Ezekiel 23:20. The bit where the Israelites have to eat their children. Song of Solomon.
Lots of good stuff to help them understand that mandatory bible readings aren't a good idea.
And let's not forget Ezekiel 20:25-26, where Yahweh ADMITS that he's a dick! I want to see the faces of the promoters of that bill when they read THAT.
How the hell was working for Chump not the final straw, and 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵? Did she take up a hobby of drop-kicking small children into woodchippers, or something? Eh, whatever. As long as she ends up miserable and alone, I'll take the win in the name of schadenfreude.
Marjorie Taylor (soon-to-be-not) Greene is apparently headed down the same road. And yes, that does raise the question of what the hell kept the guys in the relationship for as long as they did.
When I lived in Texas it was often observed that the TX legislature met for 140 days every 2 years and almost everyone wished it was the other way around.
Christers are like a horde of fire ants swarming over the face of the nation. We can brush them aside, sure, but there will always be more of them--probably way more (insects keep multiplying)--waiting to keep trying to force their damn superstitions on the rest of us. And since they now own the Supreme Court, and since nobody's doing a damn thing about that, it's only a matter of time before one state's bill, somewhere, on some bogus pretext, wins. And the floodgates will be opened. Scads of other states will rush to enact an identical bill and/or the court will rule that under the Constitution rights guaranteed to citizens of one state can't be denied to others. It's all 100% pure bullshit, but it's what we're facing.
Hell, you've got shitheads like Walgreens trying to act like moral arbiters and refusing to dispense the abortion pill even in states where abortion is legal (so far, the chain has targeted their stores in Iowa, Kansas, Montana and Alaska. All states where abortion is currently legal).
Conservative Christians never stop trying to mark their territory in the public schools paid for with everyone's tax dollars. Forcing religion on today's kids isn't going to have the happy ending they're hoping for. The fool who wrote this bill would go out of his tiny little mind if anyone suggested reading from the Koran.
Well, they can't do it because it's their religion is actually a good idea, although it may be a necessary investment as a safety net where the state only cares about rich people being comfortable. Good Ole Time Pilgrim Prosperity Gospel, there.
When I went to school in the 1970ies, a prayer before school lunch was common. After a few years I refused praying, and in return was refused eating lunch AND reported to the head of the school. My mother had a meeting with the headmaster. No-one had to say a prayer before lunch after that.
Your mother sounds like my mother. 😁
It's a shame that the towns where schools are located don't have dedicated buildings where kids can pray and read the bible all they want.
Synagogues are forbidden in Texass ? 🤔
No, but they are frowned upon. ; )
And they're required to be built with combustible materials.
𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑡𝑜 𝑠𝑢𝑒 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝐵𝑖𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔.
Oh, does THAT speak volumes! Tells me more than anything else that the authors of this bill KNOW that what they're proposing isn't just controversial but ILLEGAL and UNCONSTITUTIONAL ... and they'll have to do some fancy dancing to avoid liability.
“Hello? Freedom From Religion Foundation? Yeah, I got another one for ya!”
"The bill gives the game away on the last page. By removing the word "encourage" from the list of things staff can't do to students regarding prayer, the bill is explicitly aimed at allowing staff to pressure kids to pray."
Promise not to sue 𝘢𝘯𝘥 direct pressure from school staff? They might as well fill out the forms and pay the filing fee for the FFRF.
Sooooo...
I guess all of Texas' other issues and problems (like their lousy power grid) have all been magically resolved. They must have been if lawmakers there have time and taxpayer dollars to waste on this monumentally unconstitutional bill.
Yup. Everything is bigger in Texas. Including glaring incompetence.
The lousy power grid problems are caused by us French, we pay gays to have a normal life because Texass dared to name one of their town/city from our beloved capital 😝
Or, caused by the Yellow Dog Democrats who were the Party of Choice BEFORE the GOP invested heavily to turn the state Red?
How many of these students are closeted atheists whose parents will "consent" for them?
Somewhere between 25 and 40 % I guess. If I remember a study I read about a few years ago. If this was in Norway, my guess would be 50 %. But here very few parents would consent to something their atheist child would not want.
How many atheist children in Texass feel safe coming out to their parents?
About as many as you have upvotes ... if that.
Yeah, but all them there Scandinavicals commit suicide. Checkmate, heathen.
What about France ? 😁
The only part of France I've ever visited is Paris and, believe me, if Parisians are committing suicide, I'm all for it.
I can be considered as a Parisian 😭
Semi-OT- The Texas GQP confirms that it only wants wingnuts in office, voting 57-5 to censure US Rep. Tony Gonzales for... occasionally displaying a little basic humanity and 𝘯𝘰𝘵 voting in lockstep with the rest of the Republicans in the House: https://apnews.com/article/texas-gonzales-censure-republicans-cd2f3afd11ca99c31986469ef6b406a5
Earth to any remaining moderate Republicans- 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘺 𝘥𝘰𝘦𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘯𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶. You can wait for the party to turn on you, or you can GTFO and try to build a better party to replace it, but you've already lost the battle. There's no saving the GQP. The lunatics are running the asylum. You can't reason with them... you can only try to keep them away from the matches and the gasoline.
And since today's Democratic party is pretty much identical to the Republican party of a few decades ago, there's no sensible reason for "moderate" Republicans not to jump ship and join them there evil satanic Democrats.
Well, for those with a memory and with actual experience in the GOP from then, just no, and from those with memories growing up in a blue-collar Democratic machine city, no, too.
8. Which bible ?
9. Which christian sect ?
Will it be decided by the State ? The county? The schools ? The one who lead the prayers ? If it's the two formers, what about a school where the majority of students are catholics but is in a protestant county ? What if the majority of students are not christians* ?
* In my high school I think at least half of the students were from Muslims families. The only clubs allowed in public schools are sports clubs lead by PE teachers.
Norway calling: PE teachers meaning what? Protestant evangelical?
I imagine the howling if evangelicals started spouting their version of brainwash in a former catholic country, especially in public schools 🤣
What Zorg said.
Physical Education
The PE teacher at my son's HS was literally first name Jock. Was a Scot.
In my middle school, there was a PE teacher named Champion, no one wanted to have him. Ex military and sadistic as fuck.
Interesting. Just before they gave up on corporal punishment, they did a survey – there was a so-called "punishment book" and found out that this particular PE teacher was doing 95% of all the corporal punishment in the school. He was pretty much the only one who objected to abandoning it.
At my brother's, junior high school in Benld, IL, the woodshop teacher used a router to engrave "THINK" into his paddle. He would chalk it up so the poor student would have the word on their posterior for the rest of the day.
Back then (the late 70s), Benld had a population of 800, and they now have a population of 1,400.
How dare you suggest that a majority of students in ANY American state might not be soaked in the blood of Jesus!
Send out the bat signal for FFRF & Satanic Temple! HURRY!
AND American Atheists AND the American Humanist Association ... for starters!
As well as Americans United For Separation of Church and State.
Genesis 38 is a good start. The slavery stuff from Exodus and Leviticus. Ezekiel 23:20. The bit where the Israelites have to eat their children. Song of Solomon.
Lots of good stuff to help them understand that mandatory bible readings aren't a good idea.
" Song of Solomon"
What's wrong with Ancient Middle East erotic poetry ? After all abstinence only sex education is foolproof right ?
Yeah! Let's hear it for the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam! Now THERE's some freaking POETRY!!!
They'll love Proverbs 31:6-7
I'd like to be there for Deuteronomy 25:11.
And let's not forget Ezekiel 20:25-26, where Yahweh ADMITS that he's a dick! I want to see the faces of the promoters of that bill when they read THAT.
Not what they read, just the fact they can be FORCED to read and rack up God's Jellybeans in the jars of the Christians who are FORCING them.
This is unconstitutional of course, but wouldn’t it be grand if they institute this bill and only a few folks bother to opt in. Like in Australia.
That won’t happen, but wouldn’t it be lovely.
What if the GOP threw a party and no one showed up?
You mean like at CPAC? : )
https://www.mediaite.com/politics/donald-trump-jr-haley-and-others-draw-paltry-crowds-at-cpac/
The only way that bunch could draw a standing room only crowd is if they were too cheap to pay for chairs.
If Trump has anything to do with it, the chair vendor will get stiffed.
How dare you mocking the bugliest crowd ever* ?
* Until the next event.
Weird, I wound up in an endless refresh loop until I managed to hit reader view.
"The Supreme Court ruled in 1962 that school-sponsored prayers in public schools were unconstitutional."
That was a supreme court or two ago. 'nuff said.
https://live.staticflickr.com/5703/22621367694_8417fd2c15_z.jpg
They should change days to hours. Or even minutes.
Hell, break it down to nanoseconds ... Texas is STILL outta luck.
OT- Kelly "Alternative Facts" Conway is apparently about to become Alternatively Married: https://apnews.com/article/kellyanne-conway-george-trump-divorce-b45c7a81e6379059a1bb361217e00bba
How the hell was working for Chump not the final straw, and 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘺 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵? Did she take up a hobby of drop-kicking small children into woodchippers, or something? Eh, whatever. As long as she ends up miserable and alone, I'll take the win in the name of schadenfreude.
Don't forget the daughter who wanted her emancipation. I wonder how she fares today.
CRIPE!!! What took them so long?
Marjorie Taylor (soon-to-be-not) Greene is apparently headed down the same road. And yes, that does raise the question of what the hell kept the guys in the relationship for as long as they did.
Heavy drinking?
A true Trinity Girl.
When I lived in Texas it was often observed that the TX legislature met for 140 days every 2 years and almost everyone wished it was the other way around.
Christers are like a horde of fire ants swarming over the face of the nation. We can brush them aside, sure, but there will always be more of them--probably way more (insects keep multiplying)--waiting to keep trying to force their damn superstitions on the rest of us. And since they now own the Supreme Court, and since nobody's doing a damn thing about that, it's only a matter of time before one state's bill, somewhere, on some bogus pretext, wins. And the floodgates will be opened. Scads of other states will rush to enact an identical bill and/or the court will rule that under the Constitution rights guaranteed to citizens of one state can't be denied to others. It's all 100% pure bullshit, but it's what we're facing.
Hell, you've got shitheads like Walgreens trying to act like moral arbiters and refusing to dispense the abortion pill even in states where abortion is legal (so far, the chain has targeted their stores in Iowa, Kansas, Montana and Alaska. All states where abortion is currently legal).