America is a tremendously diverse nation, but whom do we have on the Supreme Court? Still mostly men (5). Mainly white (7). Mainly non-Hispanic (8). Exclusively elites (4 Harvard Law, 4 Yale, 1 Notre Dame). Heavily Catholic (6, plus 1 Episcopalian raised Catholic, to go with the token Protestant and Jew; 0 atheists, 0 Muslims, 0 Hindus, 0 Buddhists, 0 Confucians, 0 Mormons, 0 Sikhs, and 0 pantheists). Mainly East Coasters (3 from New York, 2 from DC, 1 each from New Jersey and Georgia, the other 2 from Colorado and Louisiana). 0 rurals. 0 foreign-born. All (probably) straight. Mainly married (7 + 1 divorced). Almost all millionaires (8).
Obviously, they’re all intelligent, well educated, articulate, and able-bodied, which one can hardly hold against them (unless you’re Roman Hruska), but it diminishes their chances of being able to empathize with millions of Americans who aren’t.
"Donald Trump and his right-wing Christian allies went all in on trying to build a border wall while downplaying his other racist remarks."
That's not all. He and his heartless idiots also destroyed the lives of Central American immigrant families by ripping children from the arms of their parents. aunts, uncles, and grandparents, placed them in cages on concrete floors, forced them to sleep under aluminum blankets, abused them, physically and sexually, and so much more atrocities that Stupid idiot and his cronies must pay dearly for.
I don't care what happens to the Catholic Church, just as long as they are banned from holding any kind of secular authority, anywhere on earth. They will survive in the market place of ideas, or they won't. As for Latinos becoming Protestants, who cares? That is definitely not my problem to have. People have been trading old nonsense for new for as long as there have been people. It's the nonsense I find discouraging.
Howinhell, did Republicans get a greater share of Latinx votes in 2020? What about the Republican party did some Latinx look at and say, yes, that's for me? It makes even less sense than Caitlyn Jenner. At least she has money as an excuse.
Seems as though the growth of the nones isn't just among white folk, eh? Have to say, I was surprised by this article and very pleasantly so. Also noted that BIG BUMP in the 18-29 demographic, pretty much the same as the US in general at this point. Damned good news.
My question now is: What's up with African-Americans and faith? There is a wonderful documentary, made some years back by one Jeremiah Camara, entitled 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛: 𝐴 𝑄𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝐹𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ, wherein he looks at Christianity and the black community and questions whether that faith has been beneficial to it. I think that a similar study looking at the American black community would be necessary at this point to get a fuller picture of where faith and atheism are going in the 21st century.
Isn't the Florida thing the result of Cuban and maybe Venezuelan immigrants? Rabid anti-Communist why guests would tend to vote Republican without thinking. The jerking aside it makes sense for Latins to vote against Republicans if not necessarily for Democrats. Although I guess in the US there isn't much choice.
The optimist in me (such as it is) loves to see the influence of the RCC, that festering boil on the ass of human history, waning towards an inevitable and 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 overdue death of obscurity.
The pessimist in me wonders what fresh new brand of superstitious awfulness is going to take its place. I'd 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 to believe that religion in general is finally on its way out the door, but it's proven to be a tenacious beast, and I worry that it won't take much of a push to send most humans scurrying back under the skirts of their holy men as the rest of the world falls apart. I worry that, depending on what happens in the next few years, we may be frightfully close to finding out what the next Dark Age looks like. Hopefully all of our hard-won progress won't be undone, but I suspect that sentiment has been felt by far too many others who then had to watch it all come crumbling down around them...
I wonder how much of this is affected by the near shut down at the border? They talk about record numbers of immigrants trying to cross, but they also are not making it through the checkpoints. They’re being turned away and Mexico is having to handle them. Then there are the raids that ICE has done at businesses utilizing undocumented workers or transient folks, which have deported thousands.
If the Latino sand Hispanic immigrants are not making it into the country, they cannot be used for this poll. My guess is that many young people of all ethnicities who are 2nd and up generation citizens are less inclined to follow their religion, the newer immigrants are coming from more religious societies and therefore more likely to hold on to the religion than those who’ve been exposed to a less religious society. So the immigrants may be skewing the numbers from the past and the lack of immigration skews the number the other way now.
This is my guess from the knowledge I have, if there is something I missed or misunderstood I’m open to correction. There’s no animosity toward the immigrant population intended.
Hemant your analysis of Trump doesn't seem to be supported by the time data. Hispanics became *more* evangelical in the the early Trump years (2016-2018), not less.
Maybe there's a connection between Trump's harsh border policies and the large reduction in Hispanic evangelical numbers 2018-2021...but I'd probably chalk that up to Covid, not Trump hating on them. Intuitively, lack of in-person services is going to hurt the cults that rely on charisma and showmanship more than the others.
But all that is a quibble. The general observations 'nones growing hugely' and 'it's about the youth' certainly seems to be true. And not limited to hispanics :)
Catholicism still has a stranglehold on South and Central America. The old man with the white beanie and the guys with purple robes and pointed hats will never be out of a job.
America is a tremendously diverse nation, but whom do we have on the Supreme Court? Still mostly men (5). Mainly white (7). Mainly non-Hispanic (8). Exclusively elites (4 Harvard Law, 4 Yale, 1 Notre Dame). Heavily Catholic (6, plus 1 Episcopalian raised Catholic, to go with the token Protestant and Jew; 0 atheists, 0 Muslims, 0 Hindus, 0 Buddhists, 0 Confucians, 0 Mormons, 0 Sikhs, and 0 pantheists). Mainly East Coasters (3 from New York, 2 from DC, 1 each from New Jersey and Georgia, the other 2 from Colorado and Louisiana). 0 rurals. 0 foreign-born. All (probably) straight. Mainly married (7 + 1 divorced). Almost all millionaires (8).
Obviously, they’re all intelligent, well educated, articulate, and able-bodied, which one can hardly hold against them (unless you’re Roman Hruska), but it diminishes their chances of being able to empathize with millions of Americans who aren’t.
"Donald Trump and his right-wing Christian allies went all in on trying to build a border wall while downplaying his other racist remarks."
That's not all. He and his heartless idiots also destroyed the lives of Central American immigrant families by ripping children from the arms of their parents. aunts, uncles, and grandparents, placed them in cages on concrete floors, forced them to sleep under aluminum blankets, abused them, physically and sexually, and so much more atrocities that Stupid idiot and his cronies must pay dearly for.
I don't care what happens to the Catholic Church, just as long as they are banned from holding any kind of secular authority, anywhere on earth. They will survive in the market place of ideas, or they won't. As for Latinos becoming Protestants, who cares? That is definitely not my problem to have. People have been trading old nonsense for new for as long as there have been people. It's the nonsense I find discouraging.
Howinhell, did Republicans get a greater share of Latinx votes in 2020? What about the Republican party did some Latinx look at and say, yes, that's for me? It makes even less sense than Caitlyn Jenner. At least she has money as an excuse.
Seems as though the growth of the nones isn't just among white folk, eh? Have to say, I was surprised by this article and very pleasantly so. Also noted that BIG BUMP in the 18-29 demographic, pretty much the same as the US in general at this point. Damned good news.
My question now is: What's up with African-Americans and faith? There is a wonderful documentary, made some years back by one Jeremiah Camara, entitled 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛: 𝐴 𝑄𝑢𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝐹𝑎𝑖𝑡ℎ, wherein he looks at Christianity and the black community and questions whether that faith has been beneficial to it. I think that a similar study looking at the American black community would be necessary at this point to get a fuller picture of where faith and atheism are going in the 21st century.
Are even nuns becoming nones?
OT
Pentagon leaker is a christer, and a racist.
https://www.joemygod.com/2023/04/feds-target-air-national-guardsman-in-pentagon-leak/
Like most other groups, the sane ones eventually figure it out.
Isn't the Florida thing the result of Cuban and maybe Venezuelan immigrants? Rabid anti-Communist why guests would tend to vote Republican without thinking. The jerking aside it makes sense for Latins to vote against Republicans if not necessarily for Democrats. Although I guess in the US there isn't much choice.
The optimist in me (such as it is) loves to see the influence of the RCC, that festering boil on the ass of human history, waning towards an inevitable and 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 overdue death of obscurity.
The pessimist in me wonders what fresh new brand of superstitious awfulness is going to take its place. I'd 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 to believe that religion in general is finally on its way out the door, but it's proven to be a tenacious beast, and I worry that it won't take much of a push to send most humans scurrying back under the skirts of their holy men as the rest of the world falls apart. I worry that, depending on what happens in the next few years, we may be frightfully close to finding out what the next Dark Age looks like. Hopefully all of our hard-won progress won't be undone, but I suspect that sentiment has been felt by far too many others who then had to watch it all come crumbling down around them...
OT - See, it is biblical
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I wonder how much of this is affected by the near shut down at the border? They talk about record numbers of immigrants trying to cross, but they also are not making it through the checkpoints. They’re being turned away and Mexico is having to handle them. Then there are the raids that ICE has done at businesses utilizing undocumented workers or transient folks, which have deported thousands.
If the Latino sand Hispanic immigrants are not making it into the country, they cannot be used for this poll. My guess is that many young people of all ethnicities who are 2nd and up generation citizens are less inclined to follow their religion, the newer immigrants are coming from more religious societies and therefore more likely to hold on to the religion than those who’ve been exposed to a less religious society. So the immigrants may be skewing the numbers from the past and the lack of immigration skews the number the other way now.
This is my guess from the knowledge I have, if there is something I missed or misunderstood I’m open to correction. There’s no animosity toward the immigrant population intended.
https://friendlyatheist.substack.com/p/anti-trans-christian-lawmaker-says
New!
Bueno. Muy bueno.
Hemant your analysis of Trump doesn't seem to be supported by the time data. Hispanics became *more* evangelical in the the early Trump years (2016-2018), not less.
Maybe there's a connection between Trump's harsh border policies and the large reduction in Hispanic evangelical numbers 2018-2021...but I'd probably chalk that up to Covid, not Trump hating on them. Intuitively, lack of in-person services is going to hurt the cults that rely on charisma and showmanship more than the others.
But all that is a quibble. The general observations 'nones growing hugely' and 'it's about the youth' certainly seems to be true. And not limited to hispanics :)
Catholicism still has a stranglehold on South and Central America. The old man with the white beanie and the guys with purple robes and pointed hats will never be out of a job.