I'd heard SOMETHING about this tempest-in-a-teapot, and having now seen the "answer," yeah, I knew the correct responding Jeopardy question. Then, too, I'm an atheist. There are elements of the bible I'm aware of that the average believer has no clue about.
But of course, ANY TIME something like this happens which minimizes the impact of Christianity on the world at large and the US in particular, there will be Christians who have to lose their shit about it. To them, I have a simple response:
It's sometimes odd which questions stump the players on any given episode of Jeopardy! This one looks like it was intended to be something of a 'softball' question, and the expectation was that someone would know the correct response immediately; but as Hemant observed that assumption isn't always a reasonable one. This also isn't the first time I've known a the correct response to something that stumped the televised players; if you watch the show often enough you'll probably discover it happens fairly often for you, too.
As a result, I'd have to say that while it might be mildly interesting, this isn't exactly indicative of anything at all; the sample size is entirely too small to have much meaning. Troublesh00ter is right, it's a tempest in a teapot.
Do a special edition of Jeopardy where all 3 contestants are Christians and every category is "The Bible." I pretty much guarantee a shitshow with all of them blanking on the responses to the answers.
Bet even Ken would be stumped right along with them without the question/answers at his fingertips, as he's a Mormon.
I try to avoid thinking too much about Ken's Mormonism. The thought that he gives 10% of his no-doubt substantial salary to his church kills my enjoyment.
I will admit I did email Hemant about the articles whining about the Jeopardy question. His response was, it was a fair question, he would’ve gotten it right and this is nothing. I did not expect him to write an article about it when I wrote about it, I just wanted to let him know I thought of him when I saw it.
It is a nothingburger for folks to flip out over. I probably would have blanked on it simply because of the format of the question and the name of the category.
I am certain the folks making a big deal about this are just reacting to the idea that not everybody is as enthralled with their religion as they are. This is another nothing to get the unwashed masses to focus on rather than their subjugation by the church, the GOP, and most of all, corporations. The media plays into this all the time and all too willingly.
Since my daughter married a scouser, a Liverpudlian and went to live there, I've taken an interest in the famous soccer teams there. It was one of Liverpool manager, Bill Shankly's most famous quotes It shows his dedication to 'the beautiful game.' He said,“Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.
Football Fuckups for $400: "This famous head coach knew Jerry Sandusky was grooming and raping young men in the showers at Penn State but did nothing about it becuase he was a Good Catholic."
No, I'm not thinking of Jim Jordan--he was a high school wrestling coach who also groped and groomed boys, and now is a right-wing congressman representing the good Christian people of Ohio.
Who is Joe Paterno? (It amazes me the stuff that sticks in my memory, but I can't remember what was on the list to do today or what I did to fix it the last time I saw this problem)
I watch many days. There are categories I blank on and others I get. My big moment was watching with friends and all 3 miffed the Final Jeopardy question and I got it right. IIRC, repetitive, key of D, something in the category of French composers. Ravel's "Bolero" came to mind and I blurted it out. Turned out I was right. Now I have it running through my head. It starts out softly with one flute and a drum each sztana(?) adds another instrument until the entire orchestra is involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9PiL5icwic
In my high school Humanities class, the teacher, to help prepare us for the final exam had us play a trivia game. She would ask a question, and if you got it right, you got to stay put; if you got it wrong, you would have to switch seats with the person behind you. A lot of shuffling of seats went on that day. One question, in particular, went through the entire class and was making its second round when as a joke, I blurted out, "Sappho." The question? Who invented lyric poetry?
There's also the real possibility that the contestants thought the question was so simple and so obvious it had to be some sort of devious trap, and so hesitated. I've seen it happen before on the show, and those kind of gotcha traps do crop up now and than. And losing even $200 can make the difference in a close game. Granted, that kind of pitfall usually happens on some of the higher-value questions, but still, it does happen.
My current fixation is the UK game show IMPOSSIBLE. It's an intriguing twist on the usual Q&A format. And I have to confess I find the host, Rick Edwards, wildly attractive. He makes most American game show hosts look like something the cat had in the alley.
Must say, I've never heard of that one – but then I'm a little out of date. The funniest game show I ever saw – although admittedly the 1st time I saw it I was mildly drunk – was also British and called 'Sticky Moments'. It was run by the over-the-top Julian Clary, and probably a bit dated now but if you can find it online it was brilliant.
There was also something called 'Distraction'– but that was Jimmy Carr, and I really don't think he's much of a sex object myself.
You're not the only one. Even a translation of this makes very little sense. 😁 (just hanging out until my wife gets up and I have to do the vacuuming.)
The Gospel according to John is ridiculous, honestly, and meant to show that Jesus was God. In John, he never told people to pray in private. In the Synoptics, he follows that.
So, if you think about it, John has Jesus praying to himself.
And then there are those who tell others to "Read and trust the Bible every day" while either never setting their eyes on the Book themselves or read only the oft-cherry picked pages and nothing else. That should be included among those who declare themselves Christians only to never really read or heard anything about Jesus and his teachings from top to bottom.
I still remember a 'cartoon' from Jack Chick lamenting leaving the TV Guide (before smart cable boxes you had to look up in a weekly magazine what was on the TV schedule) on top of the Bible.
My mom had those vile things all over the house when I was growing up. Some of them were really scary for a small child, so I hated the damned things. Threw them out whenever I could get away with it but more would always appear.
Was it here or on Facebook that I saw some photo of a Bible on a nightstand with something on it and folks talking about would have gotten in trouble for having something on top of the Bible. This is apparently a rule in some churches. I think the rosary is allowed but otherwise, the Bible must not be covered.
Let the Christians get all upset about how three intelligent people couldn't recite the Lord's prayer, feeling superior without good reason is what Christians do.
I think I’m more versed in “now I lay me down to sleep”* than the Lord’s Prayer. But I do know both. And aren’t there a few versions of the Lord’s Prayer, affecting the part after this line mostly? Protestant vs Catholic and such?
There are two versions of TLP: The short one is found in Luke 11:2 - 4 while the long version is in that old wind bag Matthew's gospel (Chapter 6, Verses 9 - 13).
In the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost (hand gesture of cross)
Bless us, oh lord, for these, thy gifts, for which we are about to receive.
From thy bounty through Christ, our lord, Amen
In the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost. (Hand gesture of the cross)
I didn’t say bedtime prayers growing up, but recited the now I lay me prayer more than the Lord’s Prayer, and I had to recited the dinner prayer every night we ate at home. We were not made to do this in public, I do not know why my parents chose not to, maybe because they didn’t want attention or maybe they were following the scripture about praying in public. Or maybe they were just lazy.
Ours was "God is great, God is good, and we thank him for our food."
The first time I remember saying that out loud in public was in a McDonald's I was about four or five, and I couldn't help noticing people turning their heads to stare at us (because I never closed my eyes when I was supposed to be prying - I HATED not be able to see, and besides, I just felt silly closing my eyes when I wasn't sleeping.) Anyway, I wondered why; then I realized other people coming in after us and sitting down to eat weren't praying. That was my first clue that not everybody said grace before meals.
When I was in Girl Scout as a preteen, I was given the responsibility one time to pray over the snack. I didn’t know the Girl Scout prayers, I had only been in the troop a little while and I generally only ever prayed over the evening meal, and never over a snack. So, I said the prayer above and the leader told me it wasn’t acceptable and the girls made fun of me for not knowing the silly rhymey nonsense the Girl Scouts used. Needless to say, I wasn’t in the troop for very long.
Well, my parents were lazy. Our dinner-time prayer was, "god is good, god is great, thank you for the food we are about to eat." Little me would say it this way, "Gottis good, Gottis great . . ."
The fact that a random 3 people couldn't come up with the answer to a religious question simply indicates to me that religion is getting to be much less important to people.
Over the last 10 years or so I have deliberately stopping making allusions to biblical content (non-religiously) because I had finally noticed that most people didn’t get them and were perhaps thinking I was on the spectrum for saying weird shit.
Something like “ah, separating the goats and the sheep, I see”.
when I first arrived at school just short of 5 I think, I had to go to an assembly and say the Lord's Prayer. I had no idea and the teacher told me to fake it. But having said it almost every day for five years or so there's no way I could forget. Similarly I know amo amas amat. Anyway colour me surprised. 😇
I grew up in a Catholic family and went to Catholic grade and high schools, and I became an altar boy when masses were still in Latin. I can still remember the entire LP (or should it be the PN?) in Latin. They didn't teach us the language - they just made us memorize the words. Being of somewhat more advanced curiosity (which is why I ceased being a Catholic not long after my age entered double digits), I was able to figure out what the Latin words meant by comparing it to the English.
The fact that "an Australian nun" turned TLP "into a 1970's psychedelic rock song that charted on Billboard's Hot 100 for 13 weeks" is far more interesting than the fact that three Jeopardy contestants couldn't name it's full contents in the first place.
I wonder if atheists are more informed because we listen to debates, or read books, and are generally more interested in learning than people who just take their Christianity at face value and never go any further.
There's a guy on TikTok, I'm sure you've heard of him if you're on there. His name is Dan McClellan. He's an extremely well educated biblical scholar (also can read several ancient languages) that debunks Christian mythology quite succinctly. Definitely worth checking out if you're on TikTok.
In my personal journey from Catholic to atheist I spent a few years taking a long, hard look at the religion I was raised in, then a few more years looking at some of the other religions that I didn't have to pay to see their inner workings a la the lies of LRH before admitting to myself that it all is just a con job to separate fools from their money and give power to horrible people who should never have power over anyone.
Everybody knows it's "Harold".
I thought it was Art.
Our father. Who? Art, in Heaven? Harold be thy name.
(Punctuation matters. 😉)
https://www.zentaur.org/memes/abraham_isaac_comma.jpg
What's a man with no arms and no legs hanging on a wall called?
Art.
Sounds like we need a paternity test.
It's "Howard". Harold is an angel, I know that from the christmas carol.
Same dude. Different tribes pronounced his name differently. 🙂
Man, that Stark fellow sure gets around.
howard.
"Our father who art in Heaven, hello, what's your name?"
I'd heard SOMETHING about this tempest-in-a-teapot, and having now seen the "answer," yeah, I knew the correct responding Jeopardy question. Then, too, I'm an atheist. There are elements of the bible I'm aware of that the average believer has no clue about.
But of course, ANY TIME something like this happens which minimizes the impact of Christianity on the world at large and the US in particular, there will be Christians who have to lose their shit about it. To them, I have a simple response:
𝗚𝗥𝗢𝗪 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗙𝗨𝗖𝗞 𝗨𝗣!!!
It's sometimes odd which questions stump the players on any given episode of Jeopardy! This one looks like it was intended to be something of a 'softball' question, and the expectation was that someone would know the correct response immediately; but as Hemant observed that assumption isn't always a reasonable one. This also isn't the first time I've known a the correct response to something that stumped the televised players; if you watch the show often enough you'll probably discover it happens fairly often for you, too.
As a result, I'd have to say that while it might be mildly interesting, this isn't exactly indicative of anything at all; the sample size is entirely too small to have much meaning. Troublesh00ter is right, it's a tempest in a teapot.
You're making a mountain out of a molehill. ; )
I have a suggestion...
Do a special edition of Jeopardy where all 3 contestants are Christians and every category is "The Bible." I pretty much guarantee a shitshow with all of them blanking on the responses to the answers.
Bet even Ken would be stumped right along with them without the question/answers at his fingertips, as he's a Mormon.
EDIT to include missing words
https://www.christianity.com/trivia/jeopardy/
Played online? Bet they'd try to look up every answer before responding with the corresponding question. Christians are so dishonest.
Let's see 'em do it on TV under the hot lights and timed responses.
I try to avoid thinking too much about Ken's Mormonism. The thought that he gives 10% of his no-doubt substantial salary to his church kills my enjoyment.
He's from my neck of the woods. He has a few controversies to his name.
You actually managed to edit a post? I just copy, delete and start over. With my hands I can end up with several typos per word.
I do, but sometimes the responses come too fast for them to see the edit before they post.
I usually edit instead of delete/repost if the comment is a lengthy one.
“ where all 3 contestants are questions…”
Is questions supposed to be Christians?
I edited my post a split-second before you replied.
I will admit I did email Hemant about the articles whining about the Jeopardy question. His response was, it was a fair question, he would’ve gotten it right and this is nothing. I did not expect him to write an article about it when I wrote about it, I just wanted to let him know I thought of him when I saw it.
It is a nothingburger for folks to flip out over. I probably would have blanked on it simply because of the format of the question and the name of the category.
I am certain the folks making a big deal about this are just reacting to the idea that not everybody is as enthralled with their religion as they are. This is another nothing to get the unwashed masses to focus on rather than their subjugation by the church, the GOP, and most of all, corporations. The media plays into this all the time and all too willingly.
I'm more concerned about everyone blanking on the football category. (not really)
There is a very large contingent of Christian’s who would be able to answer football questions over Christianity questions.
In large parts of the country football isn't a religion, it's taken much more seriously than that.
Since my daughter married a scouser, a Liverpudlian and went to live there, I've taken an interest in the famous soccer teams there. It was one of Liverpool manager, Bill Shankly's most famous quotes It shows his dedication to 'the beautiful game.' He said,“Some people believe football is a matter of life and death, I am very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that.
Football Fuckups for $400: "This famous head coach knew Jerry Sandusky was grooming and raping young men in the showers at Penn State but did nothing about it becuase he was a Good Catholic."
Isn’t he a senator or representative?
I think you are thinking of Jim Jordon, but that's a different scandal.
https://www.bing.com/search?pglt=43&q=jim+jordan+ohio+state+allegations&cvid=06e946203141484e8f5562f377bdab80&aqs=edge.8.69i57j0l8.9562j0j1&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=HCTS
Yup
No, I'm not thinking of Jim Jordan--he was a high school wrestling coach who also groped and groomed boys, and now is a right-wing congressman representing the good Christian people of Ohio.
Who is Joe Paterno? (It amazes me the stuff that sticks in my memory, but I can't remember what was on the list to do today or what I did to fix it the last time I saw this problem)
Almost...the correct answer is: 'Who is Joe Paterno?' The rest of the information is incorrect. Sorry.
Does he get a copy of the home game?
I watch many days. There are categories I blank on and others I get. My big moment was watching with friends and all 3 miffed the Final Jeopardy question and I got it right. IIRC, repetitive, key of D, something in the category of French composers. Ravel's "Bolero" came to mind and I blurted it out. Turned out I was right. Now I have it running through my head. It starts out softly with one flute and a drum each sztana(?) adds another instrument until the entire orchestra is involved. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9PiL5icwic
From Ravel to Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody for orchestra. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCFnzSCzoYA
First ballet performance I went to had one part performed to Bolero.
In my high school Humanities class, the teacher, to help prepare us for the final exam had us play a trivia game. She would ask a question, and if you got it right, you got to stay put; if you got it wrong, you would have to switch seats with the person behind you. A lot of shuffling of seats went on that day. One question, in particular, went through the entire class and was making its second round when as a joke, I blurted out, "Sappho." The question? Who invented lyric poetry?
I'm not a sports fan, and I got four of them right.
I picked it up immediately. Then again, I head it daily for 8 years of kkkalik gulag.
𝘐 𝘢𝘮 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘭𝘬𝘴 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘭 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘴 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘪𝘳 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘦.
This. The people who want Christian Privilege enshrined into law are butthurt about the fact that not everyone views them as relevant.
There's also the real possibility that the contestants thought the question was so simple and so obvious it had to be some sort of devious trap, and so hesitated. I've seen it happen before on the show, and those kind of gotcha traps do crop up now and than. And losing even $200 can make the difference in a close game. Granted, that kind of pitfall usually happens on some of the higher-value questions, but still, it does happen.
They should have prayed harder for the answer.
🤣
Might pronounce it wrong.
LeviOHsa, not LevioSAH.
Harlowed?
Solzhenitsyn.
"Solzhenitsyn feels exposed, build a barbed wire prison...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXPCsaO_55o
Gesundheit.
The Brit quiz QI specialises in these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Wo1KCptSk
My current fixation is the UK game show IMPOSSIBLE. It's an intriguing twist on the usual Q&A format. And I have to confess I find the host, Rick Edwards, wildly attractive. He makes most American game show hosts look like something the cat had in the alley.
Must say, I've never heard of that one – but then I'm a little out of date. The funniest game show I ever saw – although admittedly the 1st time I saw it I was mildly drunk – was also British and called 'Sticky Moments'. It was run by the over-the-top Julian Clary, and probably a bit dated now but if you can find it online it was brilliant.
There was also something called 'Distraction'– but that was Jimmy Carr, and I really don't think he's much of a sex object myself.
Oy, he's a looker alright.
Comprend rien.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JCsX7ORAcI
You're not the only one. Even a translation of this makes very little sense. 😁 (just hanging out until my wife gets up and I have to do the vacuuming.)
The show has a segment that concentrates on questions where the obvious answer is completely wrong, and a siren sounds when somebody gets it wrong.
Clue: This should only be said in a closet.
Answer: What is the Lord’s Prayer?
Jesus did say to pray in private.
Which he then violated by praying out loud to his pops in front of his followers at Lazarus' tomb.
The Gospel according to John is ridiculous, honestly, and meant to show that Jesus was God. In John, he never told people to pray in private. In the Synoptics, he follows that.
So, if you think about it, John has Jesus praying to himself.
"John's" gospel is so ridiculous that it was declared a forgery 3 years ago.
And then there are those who tell others to "Read and trust the Bible every day" while either never setting their eyes on the Book themselves or read only the oft-cherry picked pages and nothing else. That should be included among those who declare themselves Christians only to never really read or heard anything about Jesus and his teachings from top to bottom.
I still remember a 'cartoon' from Jack Chick lamenting leaving the TV Guide (before smart cable boxes you had to look up in a weekly magazine what was on the TV schedule) on top of the Bible.
Should I have explained what a magazine was for the Gen Z readers?
A magazine is where you put the bullets then clip it to the semi-automatic (or automatic in the enlightened States) before going out.
A MAGA zine is a small paperback about psychiatric problems.
Yeah, that definition of magazine every American knows, many to their sorrow.
And maybe TV.
TV is a now-outmoded abbreviation for someone who feels more comfortable in non-standard clothing styles.
A web-covered bible, as I recall that particular tract.
I wasn't sure if that was the same tract or not.
A cobweb? Snort!
No one could ever accuse Chick of subtlety.
If only he'd used that 6x8 to pound sense (or common decency) into himself.
My mom had those vile things all over the house when I was growing up. Some of them were really scary for a small child, so I hated the damned things. Threw them out whenever I could get away with it but more would always appear.
Horrendous writing and execrable art. The man was a hack.
He's gone now. I say HAW! HAW! HAW!
Was it here or on Facebook that I saw some photo of a Bible on a nightstand with something on it and folks talking about would have gotten in trouble for having something on top of the Bible. This is apparently a rule in some churches. I think the rosary is allowed but otherwise, the Bible must not be covered.
You keep you gun on top of the bible, duh.
No. The gun is under the pillow so you can shoot your wife in your sleep. I'm sorry, the gun 'just went off', you didn't shoot her.
I got in trouble once for momentarily putting a bible on the floor (no table nearby).
I stood on one a couple of months ago to get my MTailor video done (they kept complaining they couldn't see my feet)
The Bible isn't going to tell us when Happy Days is on.
Tuesday night at 7pm central.
Indeed, the Bible has nothing in common with happy days.
Oh, you meant the show?
Let the Christians get all upset about how three intelligent people couldn't recite the Lord's prayer, feeling superior without good reason is what Christians do.
They are experts at it.
I think I’m more versed in “now I lay me down to sleep”* than the Lord’s Prayer. But I do know both. And aren’t there a few versions of the Lord’s Prayer, affecting the part after this line mostly? Protestant vs Catholic and such?
*Because of the Metallica song.
There are two versions of TLP: The short one is found in Luke 11:2 - 4 while the long version is in that old wind bag Matthew's gospel (Chapter 6, Verses 9 - 13).
They liked it once, they'll love it twice.
And then there’s the dinner time prayer.
In the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost (hand gesture of cross)
Bless us, oh lord, for these, thy gifts, for which we are about to receive.
From thy bounty through Christ, our lord, Amen
In the name of the father, son and Holy Ghost. (Hand gesture of the cross)
I didn’t say bedtime prayers growing up, but recited the now I lay me prayer more than the Lord’s Prayer, and I had to recited the dinner prayer every night we ate at home. We were not made to do this in public, I do not know why my parents chose not to, maybe because they didn’t want attention or maybe they were following the scripture about praying in public. Or maybe they were just lazy.
Rub a dub dub
Thanks for the grub
Yay God!!!
Good bread
Good meat
Good god, lets eat.
Good Baptists made it up every time, though it was mostly the same trite phrases. But it wasn't a liturgy.
Praise the lord,
pass the meat,
Let's eat.
Hated those mealtime prayers.
Ours was "God is great, God is good, and we thank him for our food."
The first time I remember saying that out loud in public was in a McDonald's I was about four or five, and I couldn't help noticing people turning their heads to stare at us (because I never closed my eyes when I was supposed to be prying - I HATED not be able to see, and besides, I just felt silly closing my eyes when I wasn't sleeping.) Anyway, I wondered why; then I realized other people coming in after us and sitting down to eat weren't praying. That was my first clue that not everybody said grace before meals.
Good food, good meat, good god, let's eat.
When I was in Girl Scout as a preteen, I was given the responsibility one time to pray over the snack. I didn’t know the Girl Scout prayers, I had only been in the troop a little while and I generally only ever prayed over the evening meal, and never over a snack. So, I said the prayer above and the leader told me it wasn’t acceptable and the girls made fun of me for not knowing the silly rhymey nonsense the Girl Scouts used. Needless to say, I wasn’t in the troop for very long.
Our troop always does the Philmont grace, which I don't think half the troop knows.
Rub-A-Dub-Dub, thanks for the grub, yeah God
Beat ya to it by 5 hours. :)
Mine was different! And I didn't see yours.
One word. ;)
I'm just funnin' ya. :D
Well, my parents were lazy. Our dinner-time prayer was, "god is good, god is great, thank you for the food we are about to eat." Little me would say it this way, "Gottis good, Gottis great . . ."
The one I remember (take it with a grain of salt, I read it somewhere I didn't learn it)
Notre père qui êtes aux cieux
Que ta volonté soit faite
Que ta (quelque chose) sur la terre comme au ciel
Donne-nous aujourd'hui notre pain de ce jour
Pardonne-nous nos offenses comme nous pardonnons à ceux qui nous ont offensé
Ne nous soumet pas à la tentation mais délivre-nous du mal
Amen*
* For the rest ask Hozier.
NOW I LAY ME DOWN TO SLEEP,/ I PARKED MY CAR ACROSS THE STREET.
AND IF IT ROLLS BEFORE I WAKE,/I PRAY THE LORD TO PULL THE BRAKE.
I liked the one from the TTRPG HOL:
Now I lay me down to sleep
I pray the lord my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I'M FUCKIN' DEAD, THERE'S NO MISTAKE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdzmbNkmJfI
The fact that a random 3 people couldn't come up with the answer to a religious question simply indicates to me that religion is getting to be much less important to people.
Over the last 10 years or so I have deliberately stopping making allusions to biblical content (non-religiously) because I had finally noticed that most people didn’t get them and were perhaps thinking I was on the spectrum for saying weird shit.
Something like “ah, separating the goats and the sheep, I see”.
when I first arrived at school just short of 5 I think, I had to go to an assembly and say the Lord's Prayer. I had no idea and the teacher told me to fake it. But having said it almost every day for five years or so there's no way I could forget. Similarly I know amo amas amat. Anyway colour me surprised. 😇
I grew up in a Catholic family and went to Catholic grade and high schools, and I became an altar boy when masses were still in Latin. I can still remember the entire LP (or should it be the PN?) in Latin. They didn't teach us the language - they just made us memorize the words. Being of somewhat more advanced curiosity (which is why I ceased being a Catholic not long after my age entered double digits), I was able to figure out what the Latin words meant by comparing it to the English.
I was born after 1962 so I never had to learn Latin.
But I did have an optometrist who's last name was Paternoster. Go figure.
As an altar boy, I did both the Latin/Greek mass and the English one.
Their father, which 𝘢𝘪𝘯'𝘵 in heaven... 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯 be thy name.
Which most of 'em were never allowed to utter anyway, because, y'know... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQ5YU_spBw0
Here, lemme fix it so it's actually relevant to something that can have a real effect on your life (unlike prayer):
Our flower, which art in hemp plant, 𝘮𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘸 be thy name...
I'll take histrionics for 500, Hemant.
The fact that "an Australian nun" turned TLP "into a 1970's psychedelic rock song that charted on Billboard's Hot 100 for 13 weeks" is far more interesting than the fact that three Jeopardy contestants couldn't name it's full contents in the first place.
I wonder if atheists are more informed because we listen to debates, or read books, and are generally more interested in learning than people who just take their Christianity at face value and never go any further.
There's a guy on TikTok, I'm sure you've heard of him if you're on there. His name is Dan McClellan. He's an extremely well educated biblical scholar (also can read several ancient languages) that debunks Christian mythology quite succinctly. Definitely worth checking out if you're on TikTok.
In my personal journey from Catholic to atheist I spent a few years taking a long, hard look at the religion I was raised in, then a few more years looking at some of the other religions that I didn't have to pay to see their inner workings a la the lies of LRH before admitting to myself that it all is just a con job to separate fools from their money and give power to horrible people who should never have power over anyone.
Well said!