They couldn’t cite a single example where posting the Commandments in public school classrooms ever made a bit of difference. These things are always a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their religion into the public schools paid for by everyone, or they get to play the poor, persecuted victims of the Godless left. It’s that second option that keeps the money rolling in. The law makers who vote to enact this should be held personally liable for the legal costs of defending it in court, as the legal history is quite clear on this issue.
Pathetic braindead THEIST fools … millions of them.
I have a photo of one of that type that I took in GREENVILLE, STH KARLINER in 2018 … she was a 65 year old, retired university professor, 'CRIMINAL TRUMP' lover, gun toting mama. She was happy to brandish her weapon for me in front of her two granddaughters, 6 and 8 years old in her kitchen. The house was absolutely laden with 'theist xtian lightening conductors' hanging on every wall, and there was not a single square inch of horizontal space anywhere that was not covered with BABY CHEESES XMAS BULLSHIT.
Do Americans ever notice that a huge percentage of the rest of the world have a serious desire for the majority of SEPTIC TANKS to walk off the edge of our planet ?
They can't help themselves. It's a pathological craving for attention. If they are praised for it, it feeds their ego. If they are vilified, it's persecution and feeds their ego. Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
With particular people, any kind of attention will do be it positive or negative. When I think of persecution, I think of those Christians literally being killed overseas. I don't think that Christians getting pushback when they try to use the political process for their own partisan purposes are being persecuted.
It's not wrong for those who are Christians to want to have a say in the legislative process. They're citizens just like everyone else. The problem is when they want to use the power of the state to impose their particular religious views upon everyone else or to use the state to support Christianity. Christians have made this mistake over and over again and many never seem to learn that an alliance with the state corrupts the church.
Yet Christians falsely accuse others of grooming their kids. It should be patently obvious by now as to who the real groomers are. They don't even try to hide it.
How many school shootings have been prevented by posting the 10 Commandments at those public schools? Bet I can count them on one hand and still have 4 fingers and a thumb left over.
And the biblical god cares nothing for those under his tender mercies. Oikos University, a private Christian university in Oakland California, experienced a school shooting that left 7 dead and 3 wounded. The shooter was a former student.
Critical thinking rational people don't pew-pew schools. I went to school in a rural area and guys used to come to school with their guns in their trucks after going hunting in the morning. I never worried about getting shot. (even though I was a nerd and despised by many of my classmates lol) Something has changed.
Expecting Yahweh to take action against such horrible events would be like expecting Elvis to come back from the dead and do a charity concert for them.
This is the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. This is already been done in Texas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas, and all with the same result. I honestly have to wonder if the sponsors of this bill aren't clinging to a "maybe this time we'll get lucky" mindset.
Were I a judge in this case, I would admonish the plaintiffs right from the get-go, telling them that they were wasting the Court's time, and that they had better things to do. It is well past time suits like this were labeled for what they are: frivolous. They should be treated as such.
The legislators involved expect to reap exactly the same virtue signaling and reelection boost benefits these bills have given to past sponsors in other states.
And if a judge does what you suggest, that just adds fuel to the "my constituents are oppressed, but I will stand up for them anyway" fire.
This practice won't stop until 𝑣𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 - not the courts - signal to their legislators that proposing and supporting such bills will cost them reelection votes. So what really needs to happen here is for South Carolina residents to start emailing, calling, and texting their state legislators with messages of the sort "stop wasting my tax dollars on this culture war bullflop and start using your time in that chamber to fix potholes and pass the school budget. Because if you don't, you won't be in that chamber much longer."
Individual legislators are not significantly affected by fines and court costs levied on the state as a whole.
And no, there is pretty much zero chance they would get personally fined, as submitting bills based on the preferences of their constituents is clearly within their role as government elected officials.
It is not the role of the courts to fix or punish stupid, only illegal.
You're right, as legislators they have the right to put forward legislation.
However, given that their actions will cause the organisation (eg council) to incur legal expenditure, then this will be the equivalent of wasting public funds. And given that they'd do this knowingly, they are committing misconduct in public office.
Wasting public funds is not illegal. Fraud is, but spending money on something that turns out to give little to no benefit in the public's eye isn't.
Again, the courts are there to punish illegal activity. They are not there to make people behave in smart or ethical or responsible ways. And that's a good thing, because while "illegal" is generally agreed upon because its written down, one's definition of smart or ethical conduct is relative, and if we let the courts do that, then the majority of the fines levied out will be by conservative judges on liberal legislators for spending money on things like school lunch programs or DEI programs.
That's a shame. As long as these shysters can shuffle off the costs of their foolishness onto something or someone else, these stupid lawsuits will continue to show up. Hit them personally in their wallets, and the story becomes very different.
It's not a shame, its so much better than the alternative.
Do you really want the government to have the power to punish what it deems stupid? Think about who is in charge. Think about the demographics of federal and state judges. Do you really think civil rights and religious freedom etc. would benefit if the government gets to decide what is punishable as stupid?
No. This is our responsibility as citizens. It's our problem to fix. We have to do it through social means, not legal means. It might make a nice daydream to think about the "good king" solution to this problem, but in the real world where my daydreams don't dictate the outcome, I much prefer no kings. Please, for the love of God, can liberals stop trying to replace a conservative authoritarian dictatorship with a liberal authoritarian dictatorship.
A judge has the power to sanction those who knowingly file frivilous litigation. They can fine them, order them to pay the opposing party's attorney's fees and even (in extreme cases}, give them jail time for contempt for engaging in willful disobedience of a court's orders.
They bought and paid for 6 SCOTUS justices and they are bound and determined to put this in front of them. They want a theofascist dictatorship and they may get it.
If using mentions of the Ten Commandments in text books from 200 years ago is enough to justify putting a Ten Commandments poster in every classroom, then the policy of teachers being able to spank children back then makes it okay for them to beat students today. Or the policy that teachers aren’t allowed to date or drink alcohol or do anything that might be considered sordid at any time, off duty and on, should be still in effect. We should be still using science texts from 200 years ago, with that reasoning.
And so what if they did use the Ten Commandments in textbooks. It doesn’t mean that it warrants posters in Every Classroom. It just means that there should be some textbooks that mention the Ten Commandments used to be in some textbooks. Making a mountain out of a molehill here. It was a nothingburger 200 years ago it should not be a monument today.
Again, and again, and again, we hash out the same stupid shit on why these bills are unconstitutional or unnecessary. Churches barely post the Ten Commandments, why would we put them up in places that aren’t related to church? The Ten Commandments are more related to Judaism than Christianity, and the Jewish folks don’t revere them this much, so why are we putting them up in places that have nothing to do with either religion? These aren’t the right commandments, or there’s a difference between the language and numbering between sects, there is just too much baggage for this to be a reasonable request for schools. But the right has to keep pushing and pushing and pushing until something somewhere gives, then they flood us with their agenda. Project Blitz might have changed names over the years, but this is still project blitz. Since the bills are almost all word for word, they’re getting struck down all over the country, they just keep trying to pass them until some friendly judge decides in their favor against the constitution. It’s all the Heritage Foundation. And now that they’ve got their stooge in the White House, they think they can get everything they want across the board. That obituary is coming sooner than they think, and JD won’t be able to do nearly as much as anyone thinks he can, so their shit will be short lived. Not many of the executive orders are being codified into law, it’s just the congress isn’t fighting them, so once Trump isn’t around and no one’s willing to enforce the EOs, they just go away. Or the next president will change them and encourage Congress to write laws to protect the citizens. At least the next president should. If we do t burn it all to the ground and start over. Which would be fine with me.
"JD won’t be able to do nearly as much as anyone thinks he can, so their shit will be short lived."
I certainly hope he won't. As ridiculous as he is, he still scares me with those dead hillbilly eyes. IMHO, that is one cold, nasty, evil little shithead.
Vance and Miller are both evil personified, the same way Trump is, but they don’t have what Trump has, charisma. Well, the charisma the right finds compelling, anyway. Trump is the cult leader, his mission was to “get the pedos in the Epstein files” and now that the Epstein files are coming out, and no one is getting the pedos, but also the mission is being completed, and once he’s dead, the cult is caput. They will try to coalesce around someone else for a minute, but it rarely succeeds especially when the mission is gone and with all the animosity the cult members are facing, it’s likely they will shrink back into the shadows and stew in their bile till they die mad about it. The cult will end. Vance and Miller aren’t actually well liked in the cult, they’re tolerated because daddy Trump likes then, but they won’t get traction once he’s gone.
I'm becoming convinced that, even if the evidence in the Epstein files becomes undeniable, Republicans won't push to hold Dear Leader and his cronies accountable... they'll instead introduce legislation to eliminate the age of consent.
They love standing in as the authoritarian god: obey or else. Not that they obey. They're the authority, they don't have to. But the rest of you underlings obey us or else.
They love that.
Never "love your neighbor as yourself." Never "Blessed are the peacemakers". Never "Let him who would be first, be the slave of all". Never "You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself..." Never "Love is kind..." Definitely never "Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire."
Nope. Always with the authoritarian god "obey or else".
They love him. They hate Jesus, but they love that shit.
They love the forgiveness they get from jesus. All the lying, cheating, stealing, hate and abuse? Forgiven. The rest of his teachings are woke, so they're not interested,
Two reasons: 1) The only Ten the general public knows about are the ones that Charleton Heston taught them on the Silver Screen and 2) WE are almost the only ones who know about the OTHER 10Cs!
When Texas was trying to do this, Democrats got to question Republicans on the bill. James Talarico starts out with "What is the 4th Commandment", and it goes downhill from there. ;D
The South Carolina list looks like an effort to use the Protestant text whole giving a nod and a wink to the Catholics. What happened to 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘰-Christian? Oh yeah. The Christian Nazionalists only include Jews when they want to say "See? We aren't 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 Nazis."
And of course, the message is really that Christianity is supposed to be the default. All to feed their "Christian Nation" lie.
“The list also wouldn’t solve any real problems; no potential school shooter has ever plotted out a path of destruction only to reconsider after realizing the Ten Commandments say “Thou shalt NOT kill.” If students need a sign to remind them not to murder others, they have bigger issues.”
Morality is a subjective, human-made construct rather than an objective truth, functioning as a cultural tool used to control behavior. Personally, I prefer using my experience(s) in life to inform and shape what my values might be. This way, it’s always a work in progress that can be reevaluated and altered as new information emerges or experiences are had. Religion(s) are like being given all the answers to the test without understanding how or why you arrived there.
They couldn’t cite a single example where posting the Commandments in public school classrooms ever made a bit of difference. These things are always a win-win for the religious right. They either get to force their religion into the public schools paid for by everyone, or they get to play the poor, persecuted victims of the Godless left. It’s that second option that keeps the money rolling in. The law makers who vote to enact this should be held personally liable for the legal costs of defending it in court, as the legal history is quite clear on this issue.
Totally agreed. It is way past time the people who push these frivolous bills paid a personal price for their arrogance.
Pathetic braindead THEIST fools … millions of them.
I have a photo of one of that type that I took in GREENVILLE, STH KARLINER in 2018 … she was a 65 year old, retired university professor, 'CRIMINAL TRUMP' lover, gun toting mama. She was happy to brandish her weapon for me in front of her two granddaughters, 6 and 8 years old in her kitchen. The house was absolutely laden with 'theist xtian lightening conductors' hanging on every wall, and there was not a single square inch of horizontal space anywhere that was not covered with BABY CHEESES XMAS BULLSHIT.
Do Americans ever notice that a huge percentage of the rest of the world have a serious desire for the majority of SEPTIC TANKS to walk off the edge of our planet ?
… 🦘🦘🦘
No matter how many times believers in power are told NO! they persist. Once again, I liken xtians to date rapists.
Didn’t Frank Herbert say somewhere in DUNE - “When religion and politics ride in the same cart, they think they are unstoppable.”
https://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-when-religion-and-politics-travel-in-the-same-cart-the-riders-believe-nothing-can-stand-frank-herbert-35-55-76.jpg
I was too lazy to go look it up. Still under the weather.
xtians are date rapists.
And like those in the epstein files like them young.
They're doing it AGAIN. Making a public show of their faith, despite their savior telling them not to do that.
They can't help themselves. It's a pathological craving for attention. If they are praised for it, it feeds their ego. If they are vilified, it's persecution and feeds their ego. Indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
With particular people, any kind of attention will do be it positive or negative. When I think of persecution, I think of those Christians literally being killed overseas. I don't think that Christians getting pushback when they try to use the political process for their own partisan purposes are being persecuted.
It's not wrong for those who are Christians to want to have a say in the legislative process. They're citizens just like everyone else. The problem is when they want to use the power of the state to impose their particular religious views upon everyone else or to use the state to support Christianity. Christians have made this mistake over and over again and many never seem to learn that an alliance with the state corrupts the church.
Yet Christians falsely accuse others of grooming their kids. It should be patently obvious by now as to who the real groomers are. They don't even try to hide it.
It's always 100% projection.
How many school shootings have been prevented by posting the 10 Commandments at those public schools? Bet I can count them on one hand and still have 4 fingers and a thumb left over.
And the biblical god cares nothing for those under his tender mercies. Oikos University, a private Christian university in Oakland California, experienced a school shooting that left 7 dead and 3 wounded. The shooter was a former student.
Where was god? Did he not hear their prayers?
How many school shootings have been prevented by only teaching creationism in public schools?
Answer: None. It's the guns that are the major problem, not evolution nor secularism.
Critical thinking rational people don't pew-pew schools. I went to school in a rural area and guys used to come to school with their guns in their trucks after going hunting in the morning. I never worried about getting shot. (even though I was a nerd and despised by many of my classmates lol) Something has changed.
Expecting Yahweh to take action against such horrible events would be like expecting Elvis to come back from the dead and do a charity concert for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSZe-DM_o6I
This particular brand of cultists are completely deaf and dumb.
Maybe we should push for the scientific fact of evolution (or anything science-based) being taught from the pulpit on Sunday.
Hey! Fair's fair, ain't it?
I like that idea!
This is the definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting different results. This is already been done in Texas, Oklahoma, and Arkansas, and all with the same result. I honestly have to wonder if the sponsors of this bill aren't clinging to a "maybe this time we'll get lucky" mindset.
Were I a judge in this case, I would admonish the plaintiffs right from the get-go, telling them that they were wasting the Court's time, and that they had better things to do. It is well past time suits like this were labeled for what they are: frivolous. They should be treated as such.
The legislators involved expect to reap exactly the same virtue signaling and reelection boost benefits these bills have given to past sponsors in other states.
And if a judge does what you suggest, that just adds fuel to the "my constituents are oppressed, but I will stand up for them anyway" fire.
This practice won't stop until 𝑣𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 - not the courts - signal to their legislators that proposing and supporting such bills will cost them reelection votes. So what really needs to happen here is for South Carolina residents to start emailing, calling, and texting their state legislators with messages of the sort "stop wasting my tax dollars on this culture war bullflop and start using your time in that chamber to fix potholes and pass the school budget. Because if you don't, you won't be in that chamber much longer."
Hit them with fines and court costs, with a proviso that those monies must come out of their personal accounts, and they will sing a different tune.
Individual legislators are not significantly affected by fines and court costs levied on the state as a whole.
And no, there is pretty much zero chance they would get personally fined, as submitting bills based on the preferences of their constituents is clearly within their role as government elected officials.
It is not the role of the courts to fix or punish stupid, only illegal.
You're right, as legislators they have the right to put forward legislation.
However, given that their actions will cause the organisation (eg council) to incur legal expenditure, then this will be the equivalent of wasting public funds. And given that they'd do this knowingly, they are committing misconduct in public office.
Which is an offence.
Wasting public funds is not illegal. Fraud is, but spending money on something that turns out to give little to no benefit in the public's eye isn't.
Again, the courts are there to punish illegal activity. They are not there to make people behave in smart or ethical or responsible ways. And that's a good thing, because while "illegal" is generally agreed upon because its written down, one's definition of smart or ethical conduct is relative, and if we let the courts do that, then the majority of the fines levied out will be by conservative judges on liberal legislators for spending money on things like school lunch programs or DEI programs.
That's a shame. As long as these shysters can shuffle off the costs of their foolishness onto something or someone else, these stupid lawsuits will continue to show up. Hit them personally in their wallets, and the story becomes very different.
It's not a shame, its so much better than the alternative.
Do you really want the government to have the power to punish what it deems stupid? Think about who is in charge. Think about the demographics of federal and state judges. Do you really think civil rights and religious freedom etc. would benefit if the government gets to decide what is punishable as stupid?
No. This is our responsibility as citizens. It's our problem to fix. We have to do it through social means, not legal means. It might make a nice daydream to think about the "good king" solution to this problem, but in the real world where my daydreams don't dictate the outcome, I much prefer no kings. Please, for the love of God, can liberals stop trying to replace a conservative authoritarian dictatorship with a liberal authoritarian dictatorship.
But that i what the taxpayers are for, to open their wallet to cover the wrong doing of their elected official.
You beat me to this thought by a minute.
A judge has the power to sanction those who knowingly file frivilous litigation. They can fine them, order them to pay the opposing party's attorney's fees and even (in extreme cases}, give them jail time for contempt for engaging in willful disobedience of a court's orders.
And the people pushing that kind of garbage should be charged with misconduct in public office.
They bought and paid for 6 SCOTUS justices and they are bound and determined to put this in front of them. They want a theofascist dictatorship and they may get it.
But, they only have to succeed one time if they can get the current Supreme Court to take on a case.
If using mentions of the Ten Commandments in text books from 200 years ago is enough to justify putting a Ten Commandments poster in every classroom, then the policy of teachers being able to spank children back then makes it okay for them to beat students today. Or the policy that teachers aren’t allowed to date or drink alcohol or do anything that might be considered sordid at any time, off duty and on, should be still in effect. We should be still using science texts from 200 years ago, with that reasoning.
And so what if they did use the Ten Commandments in textbooks. It doesn’t mean that it warrants posters in Every Classroom. It just means that there should be some textbooks that mention the Ten Commandments used to be in some textbooks. Making a mountain out of a molehill here. It was a nothingburger 200 years ago it should not be a monument today.
Again, and again, and again, we hash out the same stupid shit on why these bills are unconstitutional or unnecessary. Churches barely post the Ten Commandments, why would we put them up in places that aren’t related to church? The Ten Commandments are more related to Judaism than Christianity, and the Jewish folks don’t revere them this much, so why are we putting them up in places that have nothing to do with either religion? These aren’t the right commandments, or there’s a difference between the language and numbering between sects, there is just too much baggage for this to be a reasonable request for schools. But the right has to keep pushing and pushing and pushing until something somewhere gives, then they flood us with their agenda. Project Blitz might have changed names over the years, but this is still project blitz. Since the bills are almost all word for word, they’re getting struck down all over the country, they just keep trying to pass them until some friendly judge decides in their favor against the constitution. It’s all the Heritage Foundation. And now that they’ve got their stooge in the White House, they think they can get everything they want across the board. That obituary is coming sooner than they think, and JD won’t be able to do nearly as much as anyone thinks he can, so their shit will be short lived. Not many of the executive orders are being codified into law, it’s just the congress isn’t fighting them, so once Trump isn’t around and no one’s willing to enforce the EOs, they just go away. Or the next president will change them and encourage Congress to write laws to protect the citizens. At least the next president should. If we do t burn it all to the ground and start over. Which would be fine with me.
"JD won’t be able to do nearly as much as anyone thinks he can, so their shit will be short lived."
I certainly hope he won't. As ridiculous as he is, he still scares me with those dead hillbilly eyes. IMHO, that is one cold, nasty, evil little shithead.
"As ridiculous as he is, he still scares me with those dead hillbilly eyes."
Stephen Miller scares me more.
His eyes personify "The lights are on but no one's home."
Vance and Miller are both evil personified, the same way Trump is, but they don’t have what Trump has, charisma. Well, the charisma the right finds compelling, anyway. Trump is the cult leader, his mission was to “get the pedos in the Epstein files” and now that the Epstein files are coming out, and no one is getting the pedos, but also the mission is being completed, and once he’s dead, the cult is caput. They will try to coalesce around someone else for a minute, but it rarely succeeds especially when the mission is gone and with all the animosity the cult members are facing, it’s likely they will shrink back into the shadows and stew in their bile till they die mad about it. The cult will end. Vance and Miller aren’t actually well liked in the cult, they’re tolerated because daddy Trump likes then, but they won’t get traction once he’s gone.
One can hope.
"then the policy of teachers being able to spank children back then makes it okay for them to beat students today. "
Oh, you know they want that too.
Xtians are nothing if not hypocrites.
https://ibb.co/JwGTxyk5
Franklin Graham is a clueless idiot whose time was passed about 10 squares back. He deserves to be ignored.
He deserves to be kicked down a well by Leonidas.
What on Earth is a "sexualized agenda?"
Always with the so-called agendas. It's kkkonservative kkkhristians that have the angenda(s).
A sexualized agenda is when you force kindergartners to consider the topic of adultery. :)
I'm becoming convinced that, even if the evidence in the Epstein files becomes undeniable, Republicans won't push to hold Dear Leader and his cronies accountable... they'll instead introduce legislation to eliminate the age of consent.
Absolutely. The trump KKKult is already justifying rape by calling the victims "minor women."
The correct term is "children."
"they'll instead introduce legislation to eliminate the age of consent."
Oh, you know they want to do that already.
They love standing in as the authoritarian god: obey or else. Not that they obey. They're the authority, they don't have to. But the rest of you underlings obey us or else.
They love that.
Never "love your neighbor as yourself." Never "Blessed are the peacemakers". Never "Let him who would be first, be the slave of all". Never "You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself..." Never "Love is kind..." Definitely never "Come now, you rich people, weep and wail for the miseries that are coming to you. Your riches have rotted, and your clothes are moth-eaten. Your gold and silver have rusted, and their rust will be evidence against you, and it will eat your flesh like fire."
Nope. Always with the authoritarian god "obey or else".
They love him. They hate Jesus, but they love that shit.
They love the forgiveness they get from jesus. All the lying, cheating, stealing, hate and abuse? Forgiven. The rest of his teachings are woke, so they're not interested,
Usual question: why not post the only list the bible itself actually calls “the ten commandments”?
Two reasons: 1) The only Ten the general public knows about are the ones that Charleton Heston taught them on the Silver Screen and 2) WE are almost the only ones who know about the OTHER 10Cs!
In Aramaic/Proto-Hebrew and read right to left.
When Texas was trying to do this, Democrats got to question Republicans on the bill. James Talarico starts out with "What is the 4th Commandment", and it goes downhill from there. ;D
https://www.tiktok.com/@teamtalaricohq/video/7575003721667562765?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc&web_id=7495791305978627627
These people are sooooo tedious.
Also not great at original thinking: pushing the same stupid idea, over and Over and OVER again! Tiresome. 😝
They keep checking for weak spots and hoping they'll find one.
They want to set us back 300 years? Do they want to bring back witch trials too? (I know, these chucklefucks are probably okay with that too,)
I hope not. I'm pretty sure I weigh more than a duck.
🦆🦆🦆
They're scared shitless of smart women, so I wouldn't put it past them.
The South Carolina list looks like an effort to use the Protestant text whole giving a nod and a wink to the Catholics. What happened to 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘰-Christian? Oh yeah. The Christian Nazionalists only include Jews when they want to say "See? We aren't 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 Nazis."
And of course, the message is really that Christianity is supposed to be the default. All to feed their "Christian Nation" lie.
“The list also wouldn’t solve any real problems; no potential school shooter has ever plotted out a path of destruction only to reconsider after realizing the Ten Commandments say “Thou shalt NOT kill.” If students need a sign to remind them not to murder others, they have bigger issues.”
✨✨
Morality is a subjective, human-made construct rather than an objective truth, functioning as a cultural tool used to control behavior. Personally, I prefer using my experience(s) in life to inform and shape what my values might be. This way, it’s always a work in progress that can be reevaluated and altered as new information emerges or experiences are had. Religion(s) are like being given all the answers to the test without understanding how or why you arrived there.
-end rant