First of all, what kind of a grown man goes by Jim Bob? I didn't even know what their television program was about, so I watched a few minutes of it. What I saw made my skin crawl. An authoritarian religious nut case, hiding behind his putrid religiosity to control everyone around him. It sickened me then, and it sickens me now. Few things disgust me more than people who convince themselves their religion entitles them to a say in other people's personal choices.
"Blanket training". Beat the child into submission before their brains have even developed object permanence. These people are evil. Breaking the rebellious spirit they are born with? Bullshit. Traumatizing away their natural curiosity to make unquestioning Jesus drones would be far more accurate.
βTheir statement also says any conflicts between the family members should be kept out of the spotlight: βWe have always believed that the best chance to repair damaged relationships, or to reconcile differences, is through love in a private setting.ββ
Invite the world into your home to watch all your intimate interactions with your gigantic family, but the moment thereβs a problem or conflict, it suddenly private. But it isnβt just an interpersonal issue, itβs actually an issue with the entire belief system and lifestyle youβre trying to sell to everyone. It needs to be public. Josh Duggar and Gothardβs actions are threats to the public, the public has a right to know.
If directly quoting you in context makes you look wicked, then what you're doing is wicked. In none of the responses Hemant quotes do any of the "victims" claim their beliefs are inaccurrately portrayed.
Gonna slightly disagree with you here, Hemant. A good parent will tell you there's no flucking point in doing this to a 1-year old, because they're 1 and self-control develops much later. Positive reinforcement wouldn't work at this age either. So what Lori is supporting is just a form of pointless torture. About the only thing a kid will learn at the "crawling on a blanket" stage is that mommy is a source of fear and pain.
I don't get Prime, but I just watched Hill Song on Hulu. Variation on a theme.
Here's the ironic bit I deeply enjoy. Lucifer is the Lightbringer, and shining a light on these destructive, creepy offshoots of christianity is devastating them. Shine that light, Lucifer, and Hail Satan!
"...an infant child would be put on a blanket with an object placed nearby but off the blanket. If the child left the blanket or reached for the object, they would be hit."
Is it any wonder that the more fundamental someone's Christianity gets, the more fucked up it gets? No, not really, and certainly not after the Duggars and all the other stories that have been related regarding families that subscribe to the quiverfull movement. I never watched 19 πΎπππ πππ πΆππ’ππ‘πππ, and I'm not certain I'm interested in taking in πβπππ¦ π»ππππ¦ ππππππ either, considering I suspect that I already know what is there to be seen.
Then, too, when someone says, "We have THE Answer," and people either cannot or will not look at that skeptically, but swallow it whole, without thinking ... welcome to the wonderful world of what you get.
Re: Other quiverful fundy families like the obnoxious Duggars hiding child abuse. Before they came along, the Willis family had TV shows about their holy and righteous living. Dad is now in prison for raping his teenage daughters. I heard an interview with one of them, now bravely out of the cult. Asked why they didn't complain or report their abuse, she said they knew hardly any other families, and so they assumed it happened to all teen girls. She said that since their family was living as the lawd intended families to live, she assumed they were getting off lightly. Victims in heathen families must be suffering far worse abuse than they were experiencing in their wonderful x-tian home cos the devil and sin etc that they had the victory over! Yuck!
My best friend's parents sent him and I to a weekend IBLP seminar back in the 90's. Wish I could find the workbook they gave us so I could look at the crazy first hand with new adult eyes.
His parents eventually alienated all of their kids.
I've kept up with the Duggars since becoming repulsed by them sometime around their second TLC special. Nothing about the special was new to me except for description of "The Joshua movement". I'd heard about it before but really didn't understand how nefarious it was, Hhw nauseating and then how many of the politicians I despise are part of it. And are still part of it. If there's anything this special should tell us is how as risk our country is from being taken over by the Christian Taliban. I don't like the democrats. But until the GOP culls it's membership so that these crazies no longer are in charge that's who I must vote for.
"Media story makers are anything but fair and balanced."
"Fair and balanced" is a phrase made infamous by Fox News. To the IBLP, it means that some people might say that shit smells bad, but they found one person who says it smells lovely, so both opinions are equally valid and true.
Jinger? That name isnβt a Tragediegh itβs a Myrdyrrh. Thereβs another way Jim Bob and Michelle abused their children. You are naming adults people, not toys. Of course, to the Duggars, children are not people at all (even as adults and evidenced in this article) theyβre a means to an end. I hope some of the children break away and change their names, for their sake.
First of all, what kind of a grown man goes by Jim Bob? I didn't even know what their television program was about, so I watched a few minutes of it. What I saw made my skin crawl. An authoritarian religious nut case, hiding behind his putrid religiosity to control everyone around him. It sickened me then, and it sickens me now. Few things disgust me more than people who convince themselves their religion entitles them to a say in other people's personal choices.
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Um, Dullards, that's what got your boy Joshie sent to prison.
"Blanket training". Beat the child into submission before their brains have even developed object permanence. These people are evil. Breaking the rebellious spirit they are born with? Bullshit. Traumatizing away their natural curiosity to make unquestioning Jesus drones would be far more accurate.
βTheir statement also says any conflicts between the family members should be kept out of the spotlight: βWe have always believed that the best chance to repair damaged relationships, or to reconcile differences, is through love in a private setting.ββ
Invite the world into your home to watch all your intimate interactions with your gigantic family, but the moment thereβs a problem or conflict, it suddenly private. But it isnβt just an interpersonal issue, itβs actually an issue with the entire belief system and lifestyle youβre trying to sell to everyone. It needs to be public. Josh Duggar and Gothardβs actions are threats to the public, the public has a right to know.
Ah, the Duggars. Not a drag queen or LGBTQ among them.
You know. The ones that Christians call immoral and vile.
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If directly quoting you in context makes you look wicked, then what you're doing is wicked. In none of the responses Hemant quotes do any of the "victims" claim their beliefs are inaccurrately portrayed.
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Gonna slightly disagree with you here, Hemant. A good parent will tell you there's no flucking point in doing this to a 1-year old, because they're 1 and self-control develops much later. Positive reinforcement wouldn't work at this age either. So what Lori is supporting is just a form of pointless torture. About the only thing a kid will learn at the "crawling on a blanket" stage is that mommy is a source of fear and pain.
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To-may-to, to-mah-to. Two sides of the same extremist coin.
I don't get Prime, but I just watched Hill Song on Hulu. Variation on a theme.
Here's the ironic bit I deeply enjoy. Lucifer is the Lightbringer, and shining a light on these destructive, creepy offshoots of christianity is devastating them. Shine that light, Lucifer, and Hail Satan!
"...an infant child would be put on a blanket with an object placed nearby but off the blanket. If the child left the blanket or reached for the object, they would be hit."
"Don't eat the fruit from that tree."
Yelp, biblical. <puke>
Is it any wonder that the more fundamental someone's Christianity gets, the more fucked up it gets? No, not really, and certainly not after the Duggars and all the other stories that have been related regarding families that subscribe to the quiverfull movement. I never watched 19 πΎπππ πππ πΆππ’ππ‘πππ, and I'm not certain I'm interested in taking in πβπππ¦ π»ππππ¦ ππππππ either, considering I suspect that I already know what is there to be seen.
Then, too, when someone says, "We have THE Answer," and people either cannot or will not look at that skeptically, but swallow it whole, without thinking ... welcome to the wonderful world of what you get.
Re: Other quiverful fundy families like the obnoxious Duggars hiding child abuse. Before they came along, the Willis family had TV shows about their holy and righteous living. Dad is now in prison for raping his teenage daughters. I heard an interview with one of them, now bravely out of the cult. Asked why they didn't complain or report their abuse, she said they knew hardly any other families, and so they assumed it happened to all teen girls. She said that since their family was living as the lawd intended families to live, she assumed they were getting off lightly. Victims in heathen families must be suffering far worse abuse than they were experiencing in their wonderful x-tian home cos the devil and sin etc that they had the victory over! Yuck!
My best friend's parents sent him and I to a weekend IBLP seminar back in the 90's. Wish I could find the workbook they gave us so I could look at the crazy first hand with new adult eyes.
His parents eventually alienated all of their kids.
I've kept up with the Duggars since becoming repulsed by them sometime around their second TLC special. Nothing about the special was new to me except for description of "The Joshua movement". I'd heard about it before but really didn't understand how nefarious it was, Hhw nauseating and then how many of the politicians I despise are part of it. And are still part of it. If there's anything this special should tell us is how as risk our country is from being taken over by the Christian Taliban. I don't like the democrats. But until the GOP culls it's membership so that these crazies no longer are in charge that's who I must vote for.
"Media story makers are anything but fair and balanced."
"Fair and balanced" is a phrase made infamous by Fox News. To the IBLP, it means that some people might say that shit smells bad, but they found one person who says it smells lovely, so both opinions are equally valid and true.
OT: HRC Declares Nat'l State of Emergency: Historic warning for LGBTQ+ people in US! Know your rights before you travel anywhere
https://act.hrc.org/page/129571/petition/1?ea.tracking.id=sms_adv_statofemrgncy0623
Better late than never, I suppose.
Jinger? That name isnβt a Tragediegh itβs a Myrdyrrh. Thereβs another way Jim Bob and Michelle abused their children. You are naming adults people, not toys. Of course, to the Duggars, children are not people at all (even as adults and evidenced in this article) theyβre a means to an end. I hope some of the children break away and change their names, for their sake.