The sense of Christian entitlement runs very deep in this country. Particularly so in the Bible Belt South. This man wasn’t a Christian, therefore he had no right to freedom of religion. Gorsuch is an absolute disgrace, and should be impeached. I’m sick of the SC tying itself in knots to back the conservative agenda.
We simply have to reform and expand the SCOTUS. I do not know how we pull it off, but there needs to be more diversity on the Court. I find it atrocious that six out of nine of them are practicing Roman Catholics. We need 13 justices, term limits, a new way of appointing the justices, and a mandate that they cannot take away rights granted to people by The Constitution or The Congress.
Christians might want to avoid shrugging this off. Their religion has a habit and history of going after not just other religions but their own as well. What happens when a Christian sect that's not considered the "right" one gets targeted next?
Yet it's Christians who continue to claim Christian Persecution (tm) in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion and there IS no Christian Persecution.
Make it official: if you're not a Christian and preferably a CONSERVATIVE Christian in the United States, your rights, and particularly your right to bodily autonomy, are open to question, challenge, and possibly revocation. Damon Landor has run headlong into this truism in how he has been handled by the Louisiana prison system, having lost his dreadlocks without so much as a by-your-leave, and the Supreme Court now putting its imprimatur on that action.
Rights in this country in general under Donald Trump have become precarious, and this is only one example thereof. Yet I wonder how many would come out and protest for Mr. Landor.
Impeach the rogue court and pack it with the most left wing judges you can find. I don't care if you have to pull up a judge from traffic court who lets everyone off with a warning. I don't care if you have to draft a lawyer currently working for the Institute for Justice. I don't care if you have to pull up a former magician with a quick wit currently working the Night Court on Thursday nights. The next Democrat president needs to send a message to the self-labeled "conservatives" that breaking our government to prove their point that government is broken is not okay.
James Carville says the Dems, assuming they win the trifecta in 2028, should immediately make DC and PR states and expand SCOTUS to 15 justices. He also says that they should NOT campaign on those ideas.
I agree as I’m tired of being on the only side that plays fair.
The thing is that Landor cites Numbers for his right to maintain his hair as HE sees fit. Apparently, that particular verse doesn't come under the list of things these cafeteria Christians want to recognize.
Like everyone else, I am trying to wrap my head around this decision. Does this mean that an employee of a public school that gets federal money can ignore federal laws designed to hurt LGBT students? After all, the teacher didn’t consent to those laws.
"On Mr. Landor’s theory, Congress could require coaches at universities that receive federal funds to permit transgender athletes to play women’s sports—or face personal liability in suits for damages. Likewise, Congress could bar doctors at medical practices that accept federal funds from administering certain vaccines to children—again on pain of damages."
We just started watching a series on Netflix “I will find you”. It’s very good so far. Almost the first words out of the prisoners mouth is that the purpose of prison is to take away your identity. Or as they put it in THE PRISONER back in the 60s, “they’ve given you a number and taken away your name.”
But as hemant and everyone else noted, that only applies if you’re Christian, preferably White and conservative. Just like the law applies only if you’re rich, preferably white, and conservative. Just act the law applies only if you’re male, preferably white, and conservative. Not if you’re female, not if you’re gay, not if you’re transgender.
It’s not surprising to me. The law and order conservatives are helping us go right down the road of lawlessness. Money is speech in corporations are people. They’re not going to find that anywhere in the constitution. Religion Trumps laws of general applicability. Discrimination on the basis of religious belief is fine as long as you’re Christian, or at least a Christian of that sort. Voting is not a sacred right. Privacy is not a sacred right. Decided law is not sacred either.
Actually, "They've given you a number and taken 'way your name" comes from Secret Agent, also with Patrick McGoohan. What you're thinking of is: "I am not a number; I am a FREE MAN!"
There is a precedent for the kind of “reasoning” the prison employees and the Supreme Court gave, and it goes like this:
“We can’t be held responsible for torturing and killing Jews, Roma, Sinti, Slavs, Social Democrats, Communists, political prisoners, prisoners of war and homosexuals *because we were only following orders* and we didn’t know our actions were morally wrong.”
We all know how well that excuse worked out for Irma Grese, Johana Bormann, Wilhelm Keitel and Anton Dostler.
The sense of Christian entitlement runs very deep in this country. Particularly so in the Bible Belt South. This man wasn’t a Christian, therefore he had no right to freedom of religion. Gorsuch is an absolute disgrace, and should be impeached. I’m sick of the SC tying itself in knots to back the conservative agenda.
We simply have to reform and expand the SCOTUS. I do not know how we pull it off, but there needs to be more diversity on the Court. I find it atrocious that six out of nine of them are practicing Roman Catholics. We need 13 justices, term limits, a new way of appointing the justices, and a mandate that they cannot take away rights granted to people by The Constitution or The Congress.
Some religions have more "freedom" than others in America.
Or one has more freedom than all others combined.
Tragically, it's the REALLY dangerous one.
Christians might want to avoid shrugging this off. Their religion has a habit and history of going after not just other religions but their own as well. What happens when a Christian sect that's not considered the "right" one gets targeted next?
It never stops at just one group.
Yet it's Christians who continue to claim Christian Persecution (tm) in a country where Christianity is the dominant religion and there IS no Christian Persecution.
The Federalist Society Scotus cares not about rights, only power.
𝐴𝑙𝑙 𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑎𝑙, 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑒𝑞𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑠.
-- George Orwell, Animal Farm
Make it official: if you're not a Christian and preferably a CONSERVATIVE Christian in the United States, your rights, and particularly your right to bodily autonomy, are open to question, challenge, and possibly revocation. Damon Landor has run headlong into this truism in how he has been handled by the Louisiana prison system, having lost his dreadlocks without so much as a by-your-leave, and the Supreme Court now putting its imprimatur on that action.
Rights in this country in general under Donald Trump have become precarious, and this is only one example thereof. Yet I wonder how many would come out and protest for Mr. Landor.
Religious freedom in the current United States.
You're free to be what ever kind of Christian you want to be, unless of course you upset the evangelicals who have more rights than everyone else.
"You're free to be whatever kind of Christian you want to be..."
Country AND Western.
And are bigger snowflakes than the rest of Christianity put together, or darn near!
Impeach the rogue court and pack it with the most left wing judges you can find. I don't care if you have to pull up a judge from traffic court who lets everyone off with a warning. I don't care if you have to draft a lawyer currently working for the Institute for Justice. I don't care if you have to pull up a former magician with a quick wit currently working the Night Court on Thursday nights. The next Democrat president needs to send a message to the self-labeled "conservatives" that breaking our government to prove their point that government is broken is not okay.
James Carville says the Dems, assuming they win the trifecta in 2028, should immediately make DC and PR states and expand SCOTUS to 15 justices. He also says that they should NOT campaign on those ideas.
I agree as I’m tired of being on the only side that plays fair.
Indeed. This court seems to be determined to dump on anyone that isn't THEM, that doesn't share their narrow, self-involved mindset or religion.
I said it in my original comment: human rights in this country are IN DANGER, and that requires a strong and no-nonsense response.
If a Christian's rights were violated in the same way, they would have ruled differently.
The thing is that Landor cites Numbers for his right to maintain his hair as HE sees fit. Apparently, that particular verse doesn't come under the list of things these cafeteria Christians want to recognize.
I noticed that too. He doing the bible rong.
They'd have ruled differently for a white Christian even if it came out in discovery that he'd shaved his own damned head.
Like everyone else, I am trying to wrap my head around this decision. Does this mean that an employee of a public school that gets federal money can ignore federal laws designed to hurt LGBT students? After all, the teacher didn’t consent to those laws.
That's exactly what Gorsuch wrote:
"On Mr. Landor’s theory, Congress could require coaches at universities that receive federal funds to permit transgender athletes to play women’s sports—or face personal liability in suits for damages. Likewise, Congress could bar doctors at medical practices that accept federal funds from administering certain vaccines to children—again on pain of damages."
From <https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/25pdf/23-1197_h3ci.pdf> page 17/51
wonder what their ruling woulda been if Mr. Landor was white?
We just started watching a series on Netflix “I will find you”. It’s very good so far. Almost the first words out of the prisoners mouth is that the purpose of prison is to take away your identity. Or as they put it in THE PRISONER back in the 60s, “they’ve given you a number and taken away your name.”
But as hemant and everyone else noted, that only applies if you’re Christian, preferably White and conservative. Just like the law applies only if you’re rich, preferably white, and conservative. Just act the law applies only if you’re male, preferably white, and conservative. Not if you’re female, not if you’re gay, not if you’re transgender.
It’s not surprising to me. The law and order conservatives are helping us go right down the road of lawlessness. Money is speech in corporations are people. They’re not going to find that anywhere in the constitution. Religion Trumps laws of general applicability. Discrimination on the basis of religious belief is fine as long as you’re Christian, or at least a Christian of that sort. Voting is not a sacred right. Privacy is not a sacred right. Decided law is not sacred either.
Actually, "They've given you a number and taken 'way your name" comes from Secret Agent, also with Patrick McGoohan. What you're thinking of is: "I am not a number; I am a FREE MAN!"
Both really great English TV series!
“Secret Agent” (aka “Danger Man”) was the adventures of John Drake, who may very well have been the Village’s “#6” in "The Prisoner."
(if you’re of the opinion that “The Prisoner” was a sequel of sorts to “Secret Agent”/”Danger Man,” that is)
I was practically a zygote when all that was happening. Pay no attention to my actual age
...and now I've got "The Golden Age of Video" stuck in my head again, so you all get to have it in yours too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFM140rju4k
You old people always remembering old stuff!
*makes salute by forming hand into the shape of a 6*
Be seeing you. ;)
And while we're at it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hPm4eiiD08
That would bring back memories if I had any.
Did you do too much LDS back in the 60s?
https://youtu.be/pgHxFNFWlZc
Sang along in a fairly decent impression of Mr. Rivers. :)
I'll see your Secret Agent Man and do you one better:
https://youtu.be/F-uQmvoIzW4
Sticking with the spy genre, here's this one
youtu.be/F7KMMxAQp8I
😁 I have my moments! 😁
If the Supreme Court can rule in disfavor of a Rastafarian, imagine what they can do to atheists.
There goes the first amendment protection for the Sacred Satanic Temple Abortion Ritual.
There is a precedent for the kind of “reasoning” the prison employees and the Supreme Court gave, and it goes like this:
“We can’t be held responsible for torturing and killing Jews, Roma, Sinti, Slavs, Social Democrats, Communists, political prisoners, prisoners of war and homosexuals *because we were only following orders* and we didn’t know our actions were morally wrong.”
We all know how well that excuse worked out for Irma Grese, Johana Bormann, Wilhelm Keitel and Anton Dostler.
How anyone still believes the Supreme Court majority has a shred of judicial integrity is beyond me.