This is the arrogance and hubris of Christianity, writ in boldface. Renee Bach decides that she's going to help the children of Uganda, and that her god is going to guide her actions. Of COURSE he will! The level of self-deception represented by Ms. Bach is truly staggering, and regardless of whether those children who died did so because of her action or not, she as an unqualified medical professional 𝗛𝗔𝗗 𝗡𝗢 𝗕𝗨𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘! If she truly wanted to make things better, she could have acted as an organizer, found REAL doctors and nurses to serve, and directed them where they were most needed. But nope ... she had to do it herself.
I just wonder how many lives her desire to "help" cost.
If prayer worked, we wouldn't need doctors, hospitals, or medicine. There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. A well-intentioned fool is still a fool, and often times a dangerous one.
(What do you do, though, when the actual medical facilities nearby don’t have the tools they need to help their patients?)
What do you do? What she should have done in the first fucking place, use the money she raised for her mission to fund the actual medical facility rather than play doctor in innocent children. Fuck off with that, if she hadn’t been there more would have died, she saved some of them. No she didn’t. She interfered in the opportunity for them to get trained medical help, full stop. Same goes for the Ghoul of Calcutta. She didn’t want to help those people, she wanted to be something she wasn’t and be seen looking like she helped those people. If she really wanted to help, she could have become a fucking nurse or doctor and gone over there with knowledge and skills. If that wasn’t in the cards since she was essentially uneducated as a fundamentalist Christian homeschooler, then she should have just raised that money for the facilities that were already there with actual doctors and nurses who, not only had the knowledge and skills, but the cultural background to be a part of the community and help with empathy. She could have even gone there and been a candy striper and been trained by the hospital on the real way to care for patients. But no, she had to raise the money for herself to get over there and do it her way, which obviously wasn’t effective.
No White Saviors may not be good people either, but someone should call out these missionaries making shit worse. That group might not be it, fine. They’re just as shallow as she was, but at least they weren’t practicing medicine without training or any knowledge of medical practice, and keeping folks from proper medical care.
God can’t cure people, it is clear day after day of folks dying over prayers.
She’s living in a small town with her kids and probably has a nice big house with lots of luxuries that many in Uganda could never dream about, and a good chunk of the USA too. How much of that is residual from the scam she ran?
An unqualified person providing first aid when there are no actual professionals around is one thing- an unqualified person running a whole-ass medical clinic is something else altogether. I mean, if you want to use your prodigious resources to open and fund a clinic somewhere, lady, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶- but let a trained professional run the fucking place. Your magic words and ego do not equal a medical degree. They don't even qualify you to hand out lollipops to the kids in the waiting room.
Or maybe, y'know, you could've turned all that passion for doing good or whatever towards stopping your fellow holy-roller missionary types, who were 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 reaching across the pond to Uganda, from lobbying the government there to criminalize being gay! Using your platform to run counter-programming against that heinous fucking shit could've saved a whole lot more lives than your self-serving clinic ever did.
There is a reason that it takes 7 - 12 years after college to train a physician up to the board-certified level. Anatomy, physiology, microbiology, psychology, pharmacology and therapeutics, etc. on and on - take time to grasp and integrate... To just go over with a pocket full of money and good intentions is hubris on a grand scale. For example - when I first got licensed, I noticed in the Alabama Practice Act that it includes something to the effect 'this act concerns the regulation of physicians and their ability to prescribe and administer poisons'... Drugs as people ought to know by now can be lethal if misused. But also, she just thought her god would somehow guide her in the diagnosis of complex diseases the likes of which most US physicians never see in their lifetime. This undetectable god of theirs causes a lot of inadvertent as well as overt evil in the world.
Though Islam was the first non-indigenous religion to arrive in Uganda and makes up 13.7% of the population, it is a predominantly Christian country that is 39.3% Catholic, 32% Anglican and 11.1% Pentecostal with a smattering of Seventh-day Adventists, Baptists and Presbyterians.
A Christian woman in a mostly Christian country results in the deaths of 105 children. But it's gay people who are the targets in that country. This is fucked up beyond all measure.
> Imagine, says Kwagala, if a 20-something Ugandan woman had gone to the U.S. and set up an equivalent arrangement to treat impoverished American children. She would have been prosecuted. She would have been behind bars.
With all possible respect for Primah Kwagala, the assumption that the US justice system is actually about justice is almost as naive as the "God will guide me" mentality (though probably easier to understand and empathize with). If that hypothetical Ugandan woman was represented in court by ADF or Liberty Counsel there's a good chance, given the jurisdiction, that she'd have gotten off scot free. Child molesters who wear clerical collars usually walk; so do the clerics who protect and enable them; and so do parents who pray instead of seeking qualified medical help for their children, even if the poor kids end up dead. "Religious liberty" covers a multitude of sins, including murdering children.
Of course she didn't have or need any credentials in the medical field, because she was doing god's work. You no more need a credential for practicing nursing without a license then you need to call yourself a minister of God.
"God has called me" and "give me money" and "look at how magical I am, so give me power" is all you need.
You know what sucks? To be one of those earnest young white Christian women with a passion to help impoverished children in a foreign land but they’re not able to fulfill their dreams because they lack sufficient hotness to generate a sustainable social media platform. It’s much easier to serve Jesus when you’re fuckable.
Those comparative mortality statistics are meaningless. There are several reasons for that. First, Bach did have a professional staff and the clinic had a well-stocked pharmacy. The question is not how many died. The question is: how many died due to Bach's arrogance? Moreover, mortality statistics are irrelevant without staging data. If Bach's clinic attracted patients earlier in the state of malnutrition (for whatever reason) it would reduce the mortality rate. Uganda has a VERY Christianized society. It is quite possible, indeed likely, that an outwardly Christian clinic would attract more parents of sick kids than a municipal hospital.
Hemant is giving this awful woman some wiggle room that she does not deserve. Simply stated, ONLY a qualified healthcare professional should treat kids. Period. Bach had a homeschooled high school equivalency and was clearly UNQUALIFIED. Moreover, some OJT doesn't count. Most states require an undergraduate degree for a registered nurse. Florida requires a minimum AA. New York, by contrast, requires the RN to be in pursuit of a baccalaureate. The degree means that someone is capable of learning, passing exams and doing the required work outside of class. Ms. Bach had none of that.
Furthermore, it was clear that Bach, as their employer, was pressuring the professional staff to allow her to do things that she had no business doing. In one scene, she inserted a shunt into a child' head. Years of training are required even with professional quasi-supervision.
Finally, the death toll is according to Bach's own records and might very well be inaccurate. Furthermore, how many deaths did she cause outside of the clinic due to her amateur clinical ministrations? Nor do we know how many children Bach injured.
Perhaps the worst part of this is that Bach did not have the humility expected of a lay person. She was utterly convinced that her god qualified her to be a clinician. Therefore, it is likely that she had no hesitation whatsoever to perform procedures that she had no qualifications to perform.
Many people go through their upbringing in a church knowing ahead of time that they will be going as missionaries overseas. It never seems to be domestic missions, because converting Americans is a bit harder, and surely there are poor people of color elsewhere who won’t have additional expectations of basic rights beyond being “saved”. It’s gross. And it’s a very old religious practice. It has started wars. Disguising it behind providing needed medical care or resources doesn’t erase that it’s done under the premise of promoting a religion in another country where they are more vulnerable to conversion.
Practicing medicine without a license is illegal in the US. Regardless of the need for help in Uganda, the issue of promoting yourself as a medical professional and at times practicing medicine without a license is deeply unethical. If she wanted to be able to hands-on assist, because conditions required it, she should have supported the actual medical professionals and let them direct her, rather than the other way around. By misrepresenting herself, she took away people’s ability to make their own informed decisions regarding life and death circumstances of their children. Her success rate is irrelevant. Success rates matter when someone is a trained and certified medical professional, not when they are practicing medicine without a license while acting as a missionary in a foreign land.
Btw, it’s never good when citizens go overseas and do unethical crap that should be illegal everywhere. It promotes the idea that they represent their country of origin and their policies.
This is the arrogance and hubris of Christianity, writ in boldface. Renee Bach decides that she's going to help the children of Uganda, and that her god is going to guide her actions. Of COURSE he will! The level of self-deception represented by Ms. Bach is truly staggering, and regardless of whether those children who died did so because of her action or not, she as an unqualified medical professional 𝗛𝗔𝗗 𝗡𝗢 𝗕𝗨𝗦𝗜𝗡𝗘𝗦𝗦 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘! If she truly wanted to make things better, she could have acted as an organizer, found REAL doctors and nurses to serve, and directed them where they were most needed. But nope ... she had to do it herself.
I just wonder how many lives her desire to "help" cost.
If prayer worked, we wouldn't need doctors, hospitals, or medicine. There is no horror that cannot be, and has not been, justified in the name of religion. A well-intentioned fool is still a fool, and often times a dangerous one.
Serving His Children?
IT'S A COOKBOOK!
For fuck sake, like others said, there are NGOs specialised in medical care.
Donating to one or several of them is what a reasonable person should do.
(What do you do, though, when the actual medical facilities nearby don’t have the tools they need to help their patients?)
What do you do? What she should have done in the first fucking place, use the money she raised for her mission to fund the actual medical facility rather than play doctor in innocent children. Fuck off with that, if she hadn’t been there more would have died, she saved some of them. No she didn’t. She interfered in the opportunity for them to get trained medical help, full stop. Same goes for the Ghoul of Calcutta. She didn’t want to help those people, she wanted to be something she wasn’t and be seen looking like she helped those people. If she really wanted to help, she could have become a fucking nurse or doctor and gone over there with knowledge and skills. If that wasn’t in the cards since she was essentially uneducated as a fundamentalist Christian homeschooler, then she should have just raised that money for the facilities that were already there with actual doctors and nurses who, not only had the knowledge and skills, but the cultural background to be a part of the community and help with empathy. She could have even gone there and been a candy striper and been trained by the hospital on the real way to care for patients. But no, she had to raise the money for herself to get over there and do it her way, which obviously wasn’t effective.
No White Saviors may not be good people either, but someone should call out these missionaries making shit worse. That group might not be it, fine. They’re just as shallow as she was, but at least they weren’t practicing medicine without training or any knowledge of medical practice, and keeping folks from proper medical care.
God can’t cure people, it is clear day after day of folks dying over prayers.
She’s living in a small town with her kids and probably has a nice big house with lots of luxuries that many in Uganda could never dream about, and a good chunk of the USA too. How much of that is residual from the scam she ran?
An unqualified person providing first aid when there are no actual professionals around is one thing- an unqualified person running a whole-ass medical clinic is something else altogether. I mean, if you want to use your prodigious resources to open and fund a clinic somewhere, lady, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶- but let a trained professional run the fucking place. Your magic words and ego do not equal a medical degree. They don't even qualify you to hand out lollipops to the kids in the waiting room.
Or maybe, y'know, you could've turned all that passion for doing good or whatever towards stopping your fellow holy-roller missionary types, who were 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 reaching across the pond to Uganda, from lobbying the government there to criminalize being gay! Using your platform to run counter-programming against that heinous fucking shit could've saved a whole lot more lives than your self-serving clinic ever did.
There is a reason that it takes 7 - 12 years after college to train a physician up to the board-certified level. Anatomy, physiology, microbiology, psychology, pharmacology and therapeutics, etc. on and on - take time to grasp and integrate... To just go over with a pocket full of money and good intentions is hubris on a grand scale. For example - when I first got licensed, I noticed in the Alabama Practice Act that it includes something to the effect 'this act concerns the regulation of physicians and their ability to prescribe and administer poisons'... Drugs as people ought to know by now can be lethal if misused. But also, she just thought her god would somehow guide her in the diagnosis of complex diseases the likes of which most US physicians never see in their lifetime. This undetectable god of theirs causes a lot of inadvertent as well as overt evil in the world.
Let's see...
Though Islam was the first non-indigenous religion to arrive in Uganda and makes up 13.7% of the population, it is a predominantly Christian country that is 39.3% Catholic, 32% Anglican and 11.1% Pentecostal with a smattering of Seventh-day Adventists, Baptists and Presbyterians.
A Christian woman in a mostly Christian country results in the deaths of 105 children. But it's gay people who are the targets in that country. This is fucked up beyond all measure.
A Christian quack like all others.
> Imagine, says Kwagala, if a 20-something Ugandan woman had gone to the U.S. and set up an equivalent arrangement to treat impoverished American children. She would have been prosecuted. She would have been behind bars.
With all possible respect for Primah Kwagala, the assumption that the US justice system is actually about justice is almost as naive as the "God will guide me" mentality (though probably easier to understand and empathize with). If that hypothetical Ugandan woman was represented in court by ADF or Liberty Counsel there's a good chance, given the jurisdiction, that she'd have gotten off scot free. Child molesters who wear clerical collars usually walk; so do the clerics who protect and enable them; and so do parents who pray instead of seeking qualified medical help for their children, even if the poor kids end up dead. "Religious liberty" covers a multitude of sins, including murdering children.
No medical training, so bad at medicine. Did she have any theological training because her prayers didn't work either. /s
"I'm not a doctor but I play one in Jesusland."
You're not being fair here, hemant.
Of course she didn't have or need any credentials in the medical field, because she was doing god's work. You no more need a credential for practicing nursing without a license then you need to call yourself a minister of God.
"God has called me" and "give me money" and "look at how magical I am, so give me power" is all you need.
You know what sucks? To be one of those earnest young white Christian women with a passion to help impoverished children in a foreign land but they’re not able to fulfill their dreams because they lack sufficient hotness to generate a sustainable social media platform. It’s much easier to serve Jesus when you’re fuckable.
Those comparative mortality statistics are meaningless. There are several reasons for that. First, Bach did have a professional staff and the clinic had a well-stocked pharmacy. The question is not how many died. The question is: how many died due to Bach's arrogance? Moreover, mortality statistics are irrelevant without staging data. If Bach's clinic attracted patients earlier in the state of malnutrition (for whatever reason) it would reduce the mortality rate. Uganda has a VERY Christianized society. It is quite possible, indeed likely, that an outwardly Christian clinic would attract more parents of sick kids than a municipal hospital.
Hemant is giving this awful woman some wiggle room that she does not deserve. Simply stated, ONLY a qualified healthcare professional should treat kids. Period. Bach had a homeschooled high school equivalency and was clearly UNQUALIFIED. Moreover, some OJT doesn't count. Most states require an undergraduate degree for a registered nurse. Florida requires a minimum AA. New York, by contrast, requires the RN to be in pursuit of a baccalaureate. The degree means that someone is capable of learning, passing exams and doing the required work outside of class. Ms. Bach had none of that.
Furthermore, it was clear that Bach, as their employer, was pressuring the professional staff to allow her to do things that she had no business doing. In one scene, she inserted a shunt into a child' head. Years of training are required even with professional quasi-supervision.
Finally, the death toll is according to Bach's own records and might very well be inaccurate. Furthermore, how many deaths did she cause outside of the clinic due to her amateur clinical ministrations? Nor do we know how many children Bach injured.
Perhaps the worst part of this is that Bach did not have the humility expected of a lay person. She was utterly convinced that her god qualified her to be a clinician. Therefore, it is likely that she had no hesitation whatsoever to perform procedures that she had no qualifications to perform.
Many people go through their upbringing in a church knowing ahead of time that they will be going as missionaries overseas. It never seems to be domestic missions, because converting Americans is a bit harder, and surely there are poor people of color elsewhere who won’t have additional expectations of basic rights beyond being “saved”. It’s gross. And it’s a very old religious practice. It has started wars. Disguising it behind providing needed medical care or resources doesn’t erase that it’s done under the premise of promoting a religion in another country where they are more vulnerable to conversion.
Practicing medicine without a license is illegal in the US. Regardless of the need for help in Uganda, the issue of promoting yourself as a medical professional and at times practicing medicine without a license is deeply unethical. If she wanted to be able to hands-on assist, because conditions required it, she should have supported the actual medical professionals and let them direct her, rather than the other way around. By misrepresenting herself, she took away people’s ability to make their own informed decisions regarding life and death circumstances of their children. Her success rate is irrelevant. Success rates matter when someone is a trained and certified medical professional, not when they are practicing medicine without a license while acting as a missionary in a foreign land.
Btw, it’s never good when citizens go overseas and do unethical crap that should be illegal everywhere. It promotes the idea that they represent their country of origin and their policies.