DeSantis is supposedly a lawyer and he should have enough familiarity with the U.S. Constitution to know our SECULAR government cannot choose one religion over another. He is an over-compensating, wannabe dictator with a Napoleon complex. We need federal legislation with some teeth in it to keep the preachers out of the public schools once and for all. The younger the child, the more vulnerable they are, because they are effectively powerless.
He is unfortunately, my governor and everything he does is lunatic fringe performance art for the nutters who voted for him. He knows better, but spends so much time in “the upside down” world of Fox (so-called) news that he cannot go back to sane discourse.
DeSantis thinks he is Tom Cruise’s Kafee, but really he’s just private Downey. You know the exceptionally clueless scapegoat that needed looking after.
This is all performance art. Rhonda Sandtits is an attention whore with the deep pockets of the people of Florida to bankroll the inevitable lawsuits. He has wasted already, a huge amount of taxpayer money with little but embarrassment to show for it. By playing stupid games, the people of Florida have won a lot of stupid prizes... a public education system on life support, no one to pick their crops or clean their hotel rooms, unaffordable to unavailable-at-any-cost insurance, it goes on and on - there doesn't seem to be any end to their MAGAt depravity. Scientist are seriously considering adding Category 6 to the hurricane intensity scale. Florida is a, ahem, large projection dangling down between 2 bodies already too-warn water, known to spawn Cat 5s. One Cat 6 and Florida is over.
To denazillon, keep your bigotry out of vaginas and public schools. If the number of parishioners plummet, ask yourself why instead of doubling down on the propaganda. Self reflection is not really your strong point.
"That means, however, that non-Christian groups will not be prohibited from participating in the program. [...]If a district allows Christian chaplains to work with kids but says no to an otherwise qualified non-theistic chaplain, it’s a lawsuit waiting to happen."
We are talking about a man-child who sued a major corporation, and squandered taxpayers money, because his fragile ego was bruised.
I’m just so disgusted by DeSantis’ attacks on public schools considering his background in education. I guess private school teachers are just as greedy snobs as private school alumni.
What do you expect from the Greedy Oligarch Party.
I’ll repeat it to the choir, but there is no place for chaplains in public schools. The precious resources are better spent on educational materials and certified staff, including counselors.
Florida Man invites lawsuits. It would be impolite not to accept such invitations.
Christian-only chaplains? Which sect? Your fellow believers don't think Catholics like yourself are "True Christians." What happens when all the non-Catholics use this bill to freeze out members of the Church of the Holy Pedophile?
The scientoologists must be chomping at the bit to get in on this. They have already managed to get some of their anti-drug programs into public schools here. Also, one of their headquarters is in Clearwater, where they own most of the downtown property.
Yeah, when I came out, my mother pushed me to see her pastor. I did on the condition she read a book on reconciling being gay with Christianity. AFAIK, she didn't uphold her end of the bargain. Needless to say, I'm still gay, and not a Christian.
I foresee a lot of parents of LGBT students trying to force their kids to see Christian chaplains, rather than councilors trained to help with self-hate and coping with societal, even parental, hate.
Because being the right's culture warrior was such a winning strategy for getting the GOP Presidential nomination, right?
Sigh. Well, due to FL's "only twice in a row" rule he can't run for governor in 2026. Maybe he's trying to build up enough popularity to create a state constitutional change. Or build up enough momentum now to last him until President 2028, Senate 2028, or Governor 2030. If so, I don't think it'll work. The base is too fickle. By that time they will have a new favorite angry white man.
Only because he is such a vindictive fuck, and they truly thought he would win. He is toast now he bled too many of them dry monetarily they never liked him anyway, so they don’t want him back.
Yeah, whatever political image he's going for with all this culture war stuff, I think the image he actually achieved was "true conservative, but at larger change, a failure." Disney, school censorship, this...If it was legal for him to run I could see them supporting him over a Dem, but I can't see the business conservatives in FL wanting to go to any extra effort to keep him around. But hey, I'm not from FL, so maybe I've completely misread his popularity there.
He's actually trying to walk back some of the more egregious shit, mostly because he got trolled on the book challenges, by a lovely man who used it to challenge the bible.
That said, the knives are out for him politically, and no one's back deserves the "Caesar in the Ides of March" treatment more, here in FL. Even as you said, the business donors saw what he did to Disney, who had been a donor for years (cost of doing business here) and realized he didn't respect their "donations" to his campaign, as he is a thin-skinned narcisist, like a certain Orange baboon, who mostly stays bought.
Open mouth; insert foot ... down to the knee. Once again, Ron DeSantis demonstrates his open contempt for any religion not Christian, and most specifically The Satanic Temple, which as Hemant reminded everyone, is recognized by the IRS as a valid religion. As such, DeSantis has no legal leg to stand on, regarding any challenge that might come from TST or elsewhere.
I realize that Ronnie will fight this to the bitter end. I just wish he would recognize the waste of time and money he's indulging in.
True, it's the taxpayers' money he's squandering. What needs to happen is some continued news media attention on this issue, with attention to DeSantis' apparent obsession with it and his failure to appreciate its wasteful nature. Yeah, I know, that probably won't happen, not in today's "if-it-bleeds-it-leads" culture.
Santeria, Vodou, Hindu, Zen, Shinto, Wicca, Islam, Hari Krishna, Norse, and a multitude of Christian sects will be stiff competition for the priests/priestess of Satan. I think the plaintiffs in these cases should represent more of the spectrum of belief and worship practice. However, as the saying goes - “Sata…eh…the dude abides.” Or as has been wisely noted don’t hire “chaplains” and get this type of legislation repealed and not brought up of a vote without debate and still vote it down.
What I don't understand is whether schools will set up private conference offices for these "volunteer" non-employees to come and go as they please. And, if they do, how long before some Catholic priest takes advantage of the privacy thereby afforded to do what Catholic priests are now notorious for doing?
It seems like DeSatanic Majesty’s request to put religious folk in schools is just another way to punish Florida’s people for not kissing the ring to his every whim and pushing back. I hope there is a lawsuit and he gets kicked in the nuts again. With white go-go boots.
Well, DeSantis has an easy solution. If Chaplains are required for school, and he can't block Satanists from becoming chaplains, then he can simply get rid of schools. Simple solution. If prevents kids form worshipping Satan. Saves money in the state budge and prevents the children from being exposes them to dangers ideas, feelings and the concept that there are other people. DeSantis kills like 5 birds with 3 stones, I am not sure of the ratio. I went to a Florida public school.
These guys really seem to be looking to get themselves into all kind of trouble.
I'm not sure I like the whole parental permission thing, though. What about the students' right to make their own religious decisions. This is always my issue with "parental rights" issues/rhetoric; The child also has rights and a lot of parents don't care about that. Hell, sometimes they don't even care about the child's well-being.
Agreed. Though experience tells me it's not an exclusively CN mentality either. Lots of people seem to struggle with the idea that kids are their own person to one degree or another.
Mostly because their particular take on religion, usually fundamentalism (see: the Duggars) says so, whatever stripe they are. There are higher thinking people of faith of course, the gold-standard is Jimmy Carter, but he had nice parents that set a good example, and he was well educated so not all religious for sure..
Just for the fun of being horribly technical, I decided to check Merriam-Webster for a definition of the term 'chaplain'. (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chaplain) It doesn't say anywhere the term is limited to Christians. One of the examples on the page at the time actually mentions a Muslim chaplain.
DeSantis may be shocked, but Christians do not, in point of fact, actually own words specific to only their religion in most cases. Common sense knows that, and very well knows that once that door to school chaplains is open, anyone is allowed to walk through it. This is nothing more than pandering to his base, the very same base that saw his presidential campaign fail when faced with Trump's competition. Have fun with those unwinnable lawsuits, Florida.
Maybe Ron is more devious than we've given him credit for. He may win his war with the Mouse after all when he drives all their employees to leave the state.
Nazillon = wannabe genocidal asshole. Like obese magas who think they can win against the US army when they can barely lift their AR-15 and wear a cheap bulletproof vest.
DeSantis is supposedly a lawyer and he should have enough familiarity with the U.S. Constitution to know our SECULAR government cannot choose one religion over another. He is an over-compensating, wannabe dictator with a Napoleon complex. We need federal legislation with some teeth in it to keep the preachers out of the public schools once and for all. The younger the child, the more vulnerable they are, because they are effectively powerless.
He does know better, but he also knows his followers don't.
Knowing better and giving shit one are separate things.
Truth!
He also studied history. In by one ear, out by the other.
He is unfortunately, my governor and everything he does is lunatic fringe performance art for the nutters who voted for him. He knows better, but spends so much time in “the upside down” world of Fox (so-called) news that he cannot go back to sane discourse.
When your job in the Navy was to use your lawyer skills to prop up tortue (force feeding) at GTMO and giggle while watching [unconfirmed]...
Well, who's the demon?
Exactly.
Just another sociopath.
He was a JAGOff. He still is, but in a different sense....all lower-case, for starters.
DeSantis thinks he is Tom Cruise’s Kafee, but really he’s just private Downey. You know the exceptionally clueless scapegoat that needed looking after.
DeSantis may have been an Officer but he is not a Gentleman.
He is neither.
Ghouliani was also SUPPOSEDLY a lawyer, never stopped him from saying stupid shit (aka, normal Republican things).
Trump's inner circle is where careers and reputations go to die, and lives go to get destroyed. I have zero sympathy for Rudy.
This is all performance art. Rhonda Sandtits is an attention whore with the deep pockets of the people of Florida to bankroll the inevitable lawsuits. He has wasted already, a huge amount of taxpayer money with little but embarrassment to show for it. By playing stupid games, the people of Florida have won a lot of stupid prizes... a public education system on life support, no one to pick their crops or clean their hotel rooms, unaffordable to unavailable-at-any-cost insurance, it goes on and on - there doesn't seem to be any end to their MAGAt depravity. Scientist are seriously considering adding Category 6 to the hurricane intensity scale. Florida is a, ahem, large projection dangling down between 2 bodies already too-warn water, known to spawn Cat 5s. One Cat 6 and Florida is over.
Evan Hurst of Wonkette calls us “America’s penis. He’s not wrong.
Does that make Louisiana America's taint?
"Rhonda Sandtits"
Never see that one before. It's a good one 🤣
I have been calling him that for a while. Thanks!
Yeah, but there are no more teh Gays. Miami and Key West are now straight.
To denazillon, keep your bigotry out of vaginas and public schools. If the number of parishioners plummet, ask yourself why instead of doubling down on the propaganda. Self reflection is not really your strong point.
"That means, however, that non-Christian groups will not be prohibited from participating in the program. [...]If a district allows Christian chaplains to work with kids but says no to an otherwise qualified non-theistic chaplain, it’s a lawsuit waiting to happen."
We are talking about a man-child who sued a major corporation, and squandered taxpayers money, because his fragile ego was bruised.
The DeSantis approach to anything he sees as a problem is to try and force those who disagree with him to knuckle under.
The time honored tradition of dictators everywhere. When you are a dull hammer everything gets treated like a nail.
I’m just so disgusted by DeSantis’ attacks on public schools considering his background in education. I guess private school teachers are just as greedy snobs as private school alumni.
What do you expect from the Greedy Oligarch Party.
I’ll repeat it to the choir, but there is no place for chaplains in public schools. The precious resources are better spent on educational materials and certified staff, including counselors.
And you notice he cut all those things!
That goes counter to the Republican’s War On Education.
His education is good enough that he would never have voted for someone as awful as himself for a candidate.
So, to remain in office, he's got to wreck the system.
It's kicking away the ladder, but making sure some folks are trying to climb it first.
Florida Man invites lawsuits. It would be impolite not to accept such invitations.
Christian-only chaplains? Which sect? Your fellow believers don't think Catholics like yourself are "True Christians." What happens when all the non-Catholics use this bill to freeze out members of the Church of the Holy Pedophile?
The scientoologists must be chomping at the bit to get in on this. They have already managed to get some of their anti-drug programs into public schools here. Also, one of their headquarters is in Clearwater, where they own most of the downtown property.
Hubbard's horde have anti-drug programs? Given what they believe, it sounds like their whole religion was concocted by people who were high.
Republicans. Violating the Constitution as if they were in a hentai movie.
THERE'S an image I won't be shaking soon. 🙂
Yeah, when I came out, my mother pushed me to see her pastor. I did on the condition she read a book on reconciling being gay with Christianity. AFAIK, she didn't uphold her end of the bargain. Needless to say, I'm still gay, and not a Christian.
I foresee a lot of parents of LGBT students trying to force their kids to see Christian chaplains, rather than councilors trained to help with self-hate and coping with societal, even parental, hate.
Need to admit that they were wrong for that to happen, and Christianity is all about admitting they are in the Right.
𝐷𝑒𝑆𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑚𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑦𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑝𝑖𝑑 𝑔𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑠. 𝐻𝑒’𝑠 𝑎𝑙𝑠𝑜 𝑚𝑎𝑑𝑒 𝑖𝑡 𝑐𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑟 ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑓𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑐𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑒 𝑤𝑎𝑟 𝑏𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑙𝑒𝑠
Because being the right's culture warrior was such a winning strategy for getting the GOP Presidential nomination, right?
Sigh. Well, due to FL's "only twice in a row" rule he can't run for governor in 2026. Maybe he's trying to build up enough popularity to create a state constitutional change. Or build up enough momentum now to last him until President 2028, Senate 2028, or Governor 2030. If so, I don't think it'll work. The base is too fickle. By that time they will have a new favorite angry white man.
They did change their law to allow him to run for President while remaining governor.
Only because he is such a vindictive fuck, and they truly thought he would win. He is toast now he bled too many of them dry monetarily they never liked him anyway, so they don’t want him back.
Yeah, whatever political image he's going for with all this culture war stuff, I think the image he actually achieved was "true conservative, but at larger change, a failure." Disney, school censorship, this...If it was legal for him to run I could see them supporting him over a Dem, but I can't see the business conservatives in FL wanting to go to any extra effort to keep him around. But hey, I'm not from FL, so maybe I've completely misread his popularity there.
He's actually trying to walk back some of the more egregious shit, mostly because he got trolled on the book challenges, by a lovely man who used it to challenge the bible.
That said, the knives are out for him politically, and no one's back deserves the "Caesar in the Ides of March" treatment more, here in FL. Even as you said, the business donors saw what he did to Disney, who had been a donor for years (cost of doing business here) and realized he didn't respect their "donations" to his campaign, as he is a thin-skinned narcisist, like a certain Orange baboon, who mostly stays bought.
Open mouth; insert foot ... down to the knee. Once again, Ron DeSantis demonstrates his open contempt for any religion not Christian, and most specifically The Satanic Temple, which as Hemant reminded everyone, is recognized by the IRS as a valid religion. As such, DeSantis has no legal leg to stand on, regarding any challenge that might come from TST or elsewhere.
I realize that Ronnie will fight this to the bitter end. I just wish he would recognize the waste of time and money he's indulging in.
Not his money, why would he care ?
True, it's the taxpayers' money he's squandering. What needs to happen is some continued news media attention on this issue, with attention to DeSantis' apparent obsession with it and his failure to appreciate its wasteful nature. Yeah, I know, that probably won't happen, not in today's "if-it-bleeds-it-leads" culture.
It's a nice thought, though.
Santeria, Vodou, Hindu, Zen, Shinto, Wicca, Islam, Hari Krishna, Norse, and a multitude of Christian sects will be stiff competition for the priests/priestess of Satan. I think the plaintiffs in these cases should represent more of the spectrum of belief and worship practice. However, as the saying goes - “Sata…eh…the dude abides.” Or as has been wisely noted don’t hire “chaplains” and get this type of legislation repealed and not brought up of a vote without debate and still vote it down.
What I don't understand is whether schools will set up private conference offices for these "volunteer" non-employees to come and go as they please. And, if they do, how long before some Catholic priest takes advantage of the privacy thereby afforded to do what Catholic priests are now notorious for doing?
It seems like DeSatanic Majesty’s request to put religious folk in schools is just another way to punish Florida’s people for not kissing the ring to his every whim and pushing back. I hope there is a lawsuit and he gets kicked in the nuts again. With white go-go boots.
Worn by drag queens holding children's books.
Perfect!
Nah, steel-toed boots.
Or at least those boots with knives on their toes.
Well, DeSantis has an easy solution. If Chaplains are required for school, and he can't block Satanists from becoming chaplains, then he can simply get rid of schools. Simple solution. If prevents kids form worshipping Satan. Saves money in the state budge and prevents the children from being exposes them to dangers ideas, feelings and the concept that there are other people. DeSantis kills like 5 birds with 3 stones, I am not sure of the ratio. I went to a Florida public school.
I went to a Florida public school for first grade and the one that comes after that.
Also first.
I don't get it, give me a second. : )
How about a couple.
"I went to a Florida public school."
I call BS on that. Way too few typos.
half u ever red mie rightin? i flip a coin to determine witch their, they're there i done use.
I type like that normally. I run about 3 typos per word.
These guys really seem to be looking to get themselves into all kind of trouble.
I'm not sure I like the whole parental permission thing, though. What about the students' right to make their own religious decisions. This is always my issue with "parental rights" issues/rhetoric; The child also has rights and a lot of parents don't care about that. Hell, sometimes they don't even care about the child's well-being.
To the Christian nationalists children are their property.
Agreed. Though experience tells me it's not an exclusively CN mentality either. Lots of people seem to struggle with the idea that kids are their own person to one degree or another.
Mostly because their particular take on religion, usually fundamentalism (see: the Duggars) says so, whatever stripe they are. There are higher thinking people of faith of course, the gold-standard is Jimmy Carter, but he had nice parents that set a good example, and he was well educated so not all religious for sure..
I've said before, children have rights, parents have responsibilities.
An excellent way of putting it.
This GAY 69 year old got his ass the hell out of Floriduh after living there for almost 42 years.
I used to think this was sort of fun, but now it's just getting tedious. "When will they ever learn, when will they eeeever leeeeern."
When we dust the moon off and find green cheese.
Or maybe when the Doctor fails to save Earth from yet another Dalek invasion.
Wallace and Gromit already found it.
https://youtu.be/T0qagA4_eVQ
À la Saint Glinglin.
Just for the fun of being horribly technical, I decided to check Merriam-Webster for a definition of the term 'chaplain'. (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chaplain) It doesn't say anywhere the term is limited to Christians. One of the examples on the page at the time actually mentions a Muslim chaplain.
DeSantis may be shocked, but Christians do not, in point of fact, actually own words specific to only their religion in most cases. Common sense knows that, and very well knows that once that door to school chaplains is open, anyone is allowed to walk through it. This is nothing more than pandering to his base, the very same base that saw his presidential campaign fail when faced with Trump's competition. Have fun with those unwinnable lawsuits, Florida.
Maybe Ron is more devious than we've given him credit for. He may win his war with the Mouse after all when he drives all their employees to leave the state.
Pyrrhic victory. Who will ensure the maintenance of the attractions and rides ?
Fun is a sin. Those kiddos need Bible camp (where they can *be* the rides).
If you're happy and you know it, it's a sin.
We posted the same thought at the same time. GMTA.
I said devious, not smart.
Nope. Different time zones 😁
Must be. Since my post appeared where it did, that makes it slightly older by a few seconds. 😄
Sounds a rather pyrrhic victory.
Seems there may be an Abrahamic mythos origin to the word: https://www.etymonline.com/word/chaplain
In the same vein. danazillon is catholic, right ? Pontifex was a Pagan term before being highjacked by christians.
Honestly, I don't know what that danazillion is/means.
I don't judge a word by its origins, else I'd understand why Trumpublicans hate Al Gebra and the like. ;-)
Nazi = genocidal asshole.
Nazillon = wannabe genocidal asshole. Like obese magas who think they can win against the US army when they can barely lift their AR-15 and wear a cheap bulletproof vest.
"Bulletproof" as in BB from a Daisy air rifle.
Yes, he is a catholic. Although people close their family have said that they are not particularly religious. Performance piety.
Also, if these cultural war issues were so important to him, why didn't he start his "war on woke" during his first term?