Women who need abortions will still seek them out. But they will be of the unsafe, potentially fatal kind. Where do kkkonservative kkkristians get off calling themselves "pro-life?"
I'm seeing more and more pushback from Dems against the Christian Nationalists and the like. It is trickier for Democrats than Trumpublicans, as Dems have to not turn off folks of various faith traditions whereas Trumpubs can go full theofascist with little consequence.
My friend Aime is running for re-election here in Hiawatha (Iowa). She's rather outspoken with regard to pushing back against the "fascists". She could use your support, if you're so inclined.
In rural Mississippi, a seventeen-year-old girl with the initials D.D. found herself pregnant as the result of a fling with a local farmer and, unable to care for the child and fearing the stigma of a pregnancy out of wedlock, sought an illegal abortion. She received no real support from her family, who were both poor and quite conservative- even though the pregnancy, and D.D.'s intentions, were something of an open secret to most of her kin. D.D.'s pregnancy, as fate would have it, coincided with the funeral of the family matriarch, which she had to use as an excuse to travel- riding beside her mother's coffin- to the town of Jefferson, where she'd heard there was a pharmacist who could help her. Instead, he took advantage of her desperation to coerce her into having sex with him, providing her with what turned out to be bogus medication in exchange. D.D.'s father then, upon learning what she was attempting to do, stole the money she'd brought with her to pay for her abortion... and used it to buy himself a new set of dentures instead, leaving D.D. with no options but to carry the pregnancy to term or else attempt the procedure herself and possibly die in the process.
None of the above really happened- it's a side-plot from William Faulkner's 𝑨𝒔 𝑰 𝑳𝒂𝒚 𝑫𝒚𝒊𝒏𝒈, published in 1930.
But the 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 aspect of Dewey Dell Bundren's awful experience that is in any way hard to believe could or would occur in 2023... is that she made the trip riding on a cart pulled by mules.
And the GQP will turn the clock back 𝘢𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 century if they're given a chance to.
It doesn't matter if that zygote can be considered a complete human with all the rights a human has. The issue is about bodily autonomy. It is about making sure NO ONE is forced to allow the use of their body against their will.
Everywhere that the issue has come to a vote of the people, reproductive rights have been upheld. The NSGOP is trying to prevent the people from voting on those rights. This is what the Democrats need to remember. This is what they need to talk about.
Am I misunderstanding that there is a third, far bigger issue: we have lost the Supreme Court. Not just in the sense of being able to count on a largely liberal counterweight to a potentially conservative legislature and/or executive, but as in, we can expect the same 'partisan at all costs' swing here as elsewhere.
I hope I'm misreading the situation here, because if not, it seems to me that we've already lost this fight for a generation at least.
Yeah, Democrats care. That’s why they put up a pro-choice candidate in 2016 named Hillary Rodham Clinton. Trump won and stacked the Supreme Court with rightwing extremists and here we are. Elections have consequences and we’re going to get screwed because too many of us couldn’t support Clinton for stupid reasons.
As a conservative, I can say... does it matter if people care or not. With the flood of dark money, I meant free political speech, various voter suppression acts, I meant voter security, and gerrymandering, I meant whatever euphemism we have for that, we have affectively defended "the will of the people" from it biggest enemy, "voice of the people".
I, and many, many more people are upset about the religious banning abortion and that American women don't have the right to decide about issues concerning their own bodies. Considering that it is wrong to stop an embryo that has just developed to becoming a human, contains less than 10 cell, when the brains of a fly has more than 100.000 cells, killing a fly is much worse than proceeding with an abortion.
Here's the thing: evangelicals may oppose abortion, but how many of them seek out such care when they themselves are behind that daunting 8-Ball? I doubt that any survey or poll could ferret out that information, but considering how hypocritical they can be on other issues, I can't see where the issue of what to do about an unwanted pregnancy would be any different.
As for the political issue, I think the Dobbs decision went a long way towards firing up the pro-choice side of the equation into being ready to FIGHT. My sense on this is purely anecdotal, from watching news reports and just what I hear around. For the evangelicals, this may be a case of: "Be careful what you wish for. You might GET it."
And just between you, me, and the lamppost, I don't think they're going to like what they get.
If we as Dems do not get out and vote in record numbers in 2024 I fear that not just the country and our civil rights, but for the very Constitution we depend on will be damaged beyond repair.
The radical-right-wing nutters already have plans in motion (they have 30+ states signed up now & only need 2/3rds of states-- 33 or 34 I believe) to convene a Constitutional Convention where the very foundations that our Constitution is based on will be in danger of being muted to the point that the country will be a fascist-run Christian (only) White Evangelical favoring theocracy with the church and the wealthy oligarchs doing anything they please.
If so, say good-bye to most of our civil rights and any chance that we will be able to "tax the rich", get universal healthcare or the Constitutional promise of equality that it's supposed to produce. It'll become a document that will be unable to deliver a government "Of the people, by the people, and for the people" -- THAT will go backwards to a distant dream that we still have not achieved.
OT - Remember that idjit in the "real" Dunedin who fired 30 rounds from an AR-15 at his pool guy?
When I first read the TBT article, I saw a very interesting tidbit. But, for whatever reason it was removed, and I couldn't find it in the half-dozen articles from other sources.
The guy a lot of people said was untrained and shouldn't be allowed to have guns? Well, his name is: Lt. Col. Bradley Hocevar, US Army Ret.
Seen at this year's Pride Parade here:
YOU CAN ONLY BAN SAFE ABORTIONS
Women who need abortions will still seek them out. But they will be of the unsafe, potentially fatal kind. Where do kkkonservative kkkristians get off calling themselves "pro-life?"
I'm seeing more and more pushback from Dems against the Christian Nationalists and the like. It is trickier for Democrats than Trumpublicans, as Dems have to not turn off folks of various faith traditions whereas Trumpubs can go full theofascist with little consequence.
My friend Aime is running for re-election here in Hiawatha (Iowa). She's rather outspoken with regard to pushing back against the "fascists". She could use your support, if you're so inclined.
https://qctimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/watch-now-aime-wichtendahl-speaks-at-lgbtq-rally-at-iowa-capitol/video_9e94ee04-49fb-59fc-a7a1-79b7f7d92341.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aime_Wichtendahl
https://secure.actblue.com/donate/americandreamstartshere
In rural Mississippi, a seventeen-year-old girl with the initials D.D. found herself pregnant as the result of a fling with a local farmer and, unable to care for the child and fearing the stigma of a pregnancy out of wedlock, sought an illegal abortion. She received no real support from her family, who were both poor and quite conservative- even though the pregnancy, and D.D.'s intentions, were something of an open secret to most of her kin. D.D.'s pregnancy, as fate would have it, coincided with the funeral of the family matriarch, which she had to use as an excuse to travel- riding beside her mother's coffin- to the town of Jefferson, where she'd heard there was a pharmacist who could help her. Instead, he took advantage of her desperation to coerce her into having sex with him, providing her with what turned out to be bogus medication in exchange. D.D.'s father then, upon learning what she was attempting to do, stole the money she'd brought with her to pay for her abortion... and used it to buy himself a new set of dentures instead, leaving D.D. with no options but to carry the pregnancy to term or else attempt the procedure herself and possibly die in the process.
None of the above really happened- it's a side-plot from William Faulkner's 𝑨𝒔 𝑰 𝑳𝒂𝒚 𝑫𝒚𝒊𝒏𝒈, published in 1930.
But the 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 aspect of Dewey Dell Bundren's awful experience that is in any way hard to believe could or would occur in 2023... is that she made the trip riding on a cart pulled by mules.
And the GQP will turn the clock back 𝘢𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 century if they're given a chance to.
It's very simple, kkkonservative kkkristians: If you don't have a uterus, you don't have a say.
It doesn't matter if that zygote can be considered a complete human with all the rights a human has. The issue is about bodily autonomy. It is about making sure NO ONE is forced to allow the use of their body against their will.
Everywhere that the issue has come to a vote of the people, reproductive rights have been upheld. The NSGOP is trying to prevent the people from voting on those rights. This is what the Democrats need to remember. This is what they need to talk about.
Get out and vote.
It's not a good solution but let's hope the sc continues to fuck up to motivate more young voters to move their ass.
"There are two downsides, though."
Am I misunderstanding that there is a third, far bigger issue: we have lost the Supreme Court. Not just in the sense of being able to count on a largely liberal counterweight to a potentially conservative legislature and/or executive, but as in, we can expect the same 'partisan at all costs' swing here as elsewhere.
I hope I'm misreading the situation here, because if not, it seems to me that we've already lost this fight for a generation at least.
The Dems might not court us, but we better get our act together and vote as a bloc otherwise abortion rights will be the least of our worries.
Yeah, Democrats care. That’s why they put up a pro-choice candidate in 2016 named Hillary Rodham Clinton. Trump won and stacked the Supreme Court with rightwing extremists and here we are. Elections have consequences and we’re going to get screwed because too many of us couldn’t support Clinton for stupid reasons.
As a conservative, I can say... does it matter if people care or not. With the flood of dark money, I meant free political speech, various voter suppression acts, I meant voter security, and gerrymandering, I meant whatever euphemism we have for that, we have affectively defended "the will of the people" from it biggest enemy, "voice of the people".
I, and many, many more people are upset about the religious banning abortion and that American women don't have the right to decide about issues concerning their own bodies. Considering that it is wrong to stop an embryo that has just developed to becoming a human, contains less than 10 cell, when the brains of a fly has more than 100.000 cells, killing a fly is much worse than proceeding with an abortion.
Here's the thing: evangelicals may oppose abortion, but how many of them seek out such care when they themselves are behind that daunting 8-Ball? I doubt that any survey or poll could ferret out that information, but considering how hypocritical they can be on other issues, I can't see where the issue of what to do about an unwanted pregnancy would be any different.
As for the political issue, I think the Dobbs decision went a long way towards firing up the pro-choice side of the equation into being ready to FIGHT. My sense on this is purely anecdotal, from watching news reports and just what I hear around. For the evangelicals, this may be a case of: "Be careful what you wish for. You might GET it."
And just between you, me, and the lamppost, I don't think they're going to like what they get.
No need to mention religion at all if you're calling out fascism for what it is.
Fond of Franco?
Pining for Perón?
Missing Mussolini?
Nostalgic for Nazis?
Try Trumpism!
Fascism for the 21st Century.
If we as Dems do not get out and vote in record numbers in 2024 I fear that not just the country and our civil rights, but for the very Constitution we depend on will be damaged beyond repair.
The radical-right-wing nutters already have plans in motion (they have 30+ states signed up now & only need 2/3rds of states-- 33 or 34 I believe) to convene a Constitutional Convention where the very foundations that our Constitution is based on will be in danger of being muted to the point that the country will be a fascist-run Christian (only) White Evangelical favoring theocracy with the church and the wealthy oligarchs doing anything they please.
If so, say good-bye to most of our civil rights and any chance that we will be able to "tax the rich", get universal healthcare or the Constitutional promise of equality that it's supposed to produce. It'll become a document that will be unable to deliver a government "Of the people, by the people, and for the people" -- THAT will go backwards to a distant dream that we still have not achieved.
https://www.alternet.org/judge-proud-boys-racist/
Good news.
OT - Remember that idjit in the "real" Dunedin who fired 30 rounds from an AR-15 at his pool guy?
When I first read the TBT article, I saw a very interesting tidbit. But, for whatever reason it was removed, and I couldn't find it in the half-dozen articles from other sources.
The guy a lot of people said was untrained and shouldn't be allowed to have guns? Well, his name is: Lt. Col. Bradley Hocevar, US Army Ret.