FFRF might not be calling for an end to churches tax exempt status, but I sure as shit am. Christianity is an existential threat to the country and the world and it needs to be eradicated with extreme prejudice.
I'm in full agreement. "Keep good books" is reasonable, it isn't contradicted by any religion, and the folks who claim it is are being as transparently illegal as Hovind when he claimed he didn't owe state taxes because he was a citizen of God's kingdom.
I'm not calling for anti religious extremism. I'm calling for *Christianity* to be eliminated. Big difference.
Christianity is an existential threat. That's not a subjective thing. That's a goddamn fact. There's seventeen hundred years of hard evidence to prove that it's nothing but a blight on the species and the planet. Christians are actively trying to end all life on this planet via war and climate change to kick off their imagined apocalypse. That's their doctrine and dogma.
Other religions might have some redeeming qualities and pro-social facets to them. Christianity doesn't. Christianity is the threat. Not Judaism, Buddhism, islam, or whatever else. Hence why I specifically say that Christianity needs to die.
"I'm calling for *Christianity* to be eliminated."
Let's hear your plan, then.
If you don't actually have one, that's fine, of course, but understand how much less seriously anyone should take a wholly theoretical clarion call that does not lead to an actual path.
2: strip all legal protections like the one that passed in Arizona a while ago that made it legal for the Mormon church to keep clerical confessions of child abuse in house and not report them.
3: outlaw teaching creationism and other Christian garbage in schools.
3.5: mandate history lessons on the church's genocidal history.
4: create oversight for homeschooling and remove the religious right to child abuse that christians employ there.
5: label the ADF, heritage foundation, and all their ilk as the domestic terrorist orgs that they actually are and treat them accordingly.
6: change the no religious test clause because it clearly doesn't work as intended and put some actual safety rails in place to keep evangelicals from ever attaining political power. Probably something along the lines of auditing the churches that any potential candidate attends and requiring them to provide copies of their sermons.
Would it be correct to say that 'Step 0' on your list is 'gain a super-majority of actively anti-Christian people in Congress, the Senate, SCOTUS, every state's government, and every school board nationwide, and/or (probably 'and) have a completely unopposed Constitutional Convention"?
Yes. I'm the first to admit it's a pipe dream, but we're staring down the barrel of a planet wide extinction that these fuckers are trying to engineer in order to bring Jesus back.
3: already exists. We should absolutely not want to re-litigate this issue in front of this SCOTUS though, so if you are suggesting states add stronger laws against creationism to the books, I disagree, as I don't want to give fundies an opportunity to challenge & appeal those new laws up to this 6-3 SCOTUS.
3.5: disagree. We don't have a national curriculum and if we did no 'history of Christianity' (from any perspective) should be a part of it.
5: mostly disagree. Show evidence they fund illegal actvities rather than just calling for a change in laws, and we'll talk.
6. Strongly disagree. I absolutely do not want any ideological test for office. Both from a principled stance that it is directly opposed to the notion of democracy by elected representatives, and from a pragmatic stance that once you open that door, it will be used to keep out the people you like far more than the people you don't like. Seriously dude, look at our history. Look at the original forms of many state constitutions. We HAD the system you wish to put in place, before the Constitution was ratified. States DID try and keep crazy religious nuts out of office and off of juries. And guess who those rules targeted? Atheists, jews, and catholics. When we let our government make such rules, exactly no times did it result in the elimination of fundie Chrisitans. So why would you want to go back to that system? Do you seriously think the folks who get to make and pass those laws are going to agree with you on the *who* of 'who can't run for office'?
Getting rid of Christianity is 1: impossible and 2: Would get rid of churches that have a lot of nice people in them. some, like the epicalable church has done a lot of good things AND social justice work.
I agree. In addition to the unethical problem of using coercion to force an atheistic belief system, practically there is no need. Give people a healthy stable safety net, a baseline prosperity and reasonably equal opportunity, and the toxic aspect of it goes into steep decline. Kinda like trying to manage the birth rate. China's coercion failed, but what we've seen in other countries is that if you give women an education, employment opportunities, and control over their own reproduction, the rate declines just fine on its own.
Christianity=\=religion and vice versa. I don't want to force atheism on the world. I want Christianity dead and gone in order for the rest of the planet to survive.
And Christianity isn't fading away fast enough for the rest of us to survive it. Besides, even the "progressive" branches of it just act as natural reservoirs for extremism the same way armadillos are natural reservoirs for leprosy. As evidenced by the way they spend all their time No True Scotsman -ing whenever anyone points out anything negative about Christianity instead of actually doing anything.
Yes, Christianity is a religion. You can't recategorize your anti-religious suggestions by pretending it isn't. It is a belief in God, and Jesus as having some special relationship with God, and an afterlife, and certain beliefs about how to get into that afterlife (with lots of variation between sects). Some sects of it ALSO include bigoted beliefs against gays and all sorts of other groups, but that does not make those sects 'not a religion,' that makes those sects bigoted religion.
But let's go with your analogy. So your plan here is 'exterminate all armadillos' rather than 'figure out how to innoculate them against leprosy'?
1: In this case it's more like completely excising a tumor rather than leaving some of it around.
2: I'm not saying Christianity isn't a religion. It absolutely is. I'm saying that the terms "religion" and "Christianity" aren't interchangeable.
When I say I want Christianity gone I mean exactly that. Just Christianity. Other religions are not the problem here.
Also, Christianity is inherently and fundamentally bigoted. That's the only reason it even still exists. The gospels are originally just an antisemitic screed written to cuddle up to the roman empire.
My point, which I've made before, is that Christianity is not the whole of religion. People tend to use the terms "Christianity" and "religion" interchangeably and I very intentionally DON'T.
The last thing we want to is enhance Christian's sense of victimhood, which is pretty bad already. It will only make them dig in their heels. Better to let religion die a natural death.
The thing is, I know how hateful and deluded and dangerous and abusive these people are because I used to be one of them. I was raised in the cult, and even though I mostly disliked going to church, I went anyway, because I was told I'd go to hell if I didn't. I heard and saw things that disturbed me, but I got damned good at compartmentalizing and denial. All part of God's wise and wonderful plan, blah blah blah. Once I left home for college and encountered a whole new world, I began little by little seeing the Christian cult for what it was/is. Still, it was several more decades before I was free of the brainwashing and the fear. If you've ever lived through rapture scares as a child, you'll know what I mean. That's why I now believe that religion, like war, is not healthy for children and other living things. Especially christianity.
And as I've already said earlier, I can see how any eradication attempt would feed into their persecution complex and martyrbation fantasies.
OTOH, they're plotting a literal coup d'etat. I for one do not want to find out what living under a theocracy would be like.
Trying to be nice and tolerant and "non-extreme" to religion is precisely what has enabled the christian conservatives to amass all the frightening power they're wielding over us. Trying to be nice and conciliatory is clearly a failed strategy. It's high time for us to become more extreme--and militantly, aggressively, relentlessly so.
Sir, yes, sir! The conservative christians want to eliminate me and my rich, varied LGBT community. They say so--it's right there in black and white. But if it's your wish, we will all just roll over and let them, so as not to offend you, sir. Fighting to preserve a secular America is an awful idea, and I am so ashamed! Sir, yes, sir!
But please do tell us, what is your plan for curbing the conservative christians? I can't wait to hear it, because I can use a good laugh today.
The threat to us is immediate. Did you not read or understand the article? Waiting for enough leftist (or even centrist) judges to be seated to make much difference will take decades. I take it you're not a member of any of the groups the christers have in their crosshairs. But a lot of us here ARE. Moderation is a luxury we can't afford.
And as for your arrogant "do it my way or get out of my country" rubbish, it is our country every bit as much as it is yours and your kind's. It feels a bit foolish having to point this out, but we are citizens too. We will fight for our rights, our freedom, our very existence any way we see fit to do. If you want to pout about that, "go do it in some country other than mine."
Damn. Once again, the right is saying the quiet part out loud, and they're not even trying to make a secret of it. To be honest, as I read the above, I found myself giving SERIOUS thought to forwarding this article to the producers of CBS News 60 Minutes, with a STRONG recommendation that they dig into both the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025.
While much of this agenda would be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, the gears of government would grind to a halt. Plus I fear the current iteration of the Court might be sympathetic to at least some of this crap. Make sure everyone you know votes against every republican in 2024. They must be crushed.
So which Christian sect gets to be top dog? Project 2025 could just as easily used on the Christians own brethren who don't belong to the "right" sect. Christianity has a long and bloody history of persecuting its own.
*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- Conservative Jews should take note as well. The "Judeo" part of Judeo-Christian isn't going to last three seconds past the moment these shitheads get the power they're after.
I’m surprised there isn’t a whole section on deporting all Jewish people to Israel. That will probably be one of their goals eventually, since that would be a sign of the apocalypse, which is this group’s ultimate goal.
My Christian sect is going to come out on top. Of the four main features any Christian sect: Worship of Jesus, Strippers, Black jack and booze, my sect has three of them. Most other sects have one, maybe two, and that's it.
What is the concept of gender when compared to the glory of god? So yes. All are welcomed, and all can find God's glory,.... or at least God's glory hole.
The left, be it the Democratic Party as part of their campaigning, or activist organizations like FFRF, and others, need to get on top of this and start blasting the narrative as what it truly is before the Heritage Foundation can spin this as desirable to the empty headed masses. We have to take control of the narrative in the media. Remind people that the religion Heritage Foundation is promoting is not their religion and they will be forced to comply. That the restrictions on abortion will end up restricting all mail order prescriptions, or change the way we do commerce between states. How they will lose money and financial security with the stagnation in wages they promote or even how their convenience will be affected if all businesses are closed on Sundays. They think Hobby Lobby and chik-fil-a are fine, yet once their competitors are also closed, they’ll be screaming about their precious needs as they did during the two week shutdown in 2020.
This is very serious and the best way, the only way, to combat it is to get ahead of them with the narrative. Remind the people that the GOP is going after social security, and your wages, and your freedoms. Because they are and folks will get the point eventually. Remind folks that this government shutdown scare was brought to you by the GOP and no one else.
Will they impose fines on people who don't go to church? Will people be locked up if they miss three Sundays in a row? (Three strikes and you're out)
The complete takeover of the federal government and all the big stuff about healthcare restrictions and rigged elections we know will happen because they spell it out. I'm betting they'll go after the small stuff too. They WILL be that petty.
As I said earlier, they clearly have ZERO PROBLEM in saying the quiet part out loud anymore, or at least where they think they won't get any blowback. What say we give 'em lots and Lots and LOTS of blowback!
So the left, and any sane people, need to brand this as plans for dictatorship. Then remind the American people what that means. Only the lunatic fringe will be able to agree with a straight face. Unfortunately the lunatic fringe are populous and never miss an election. So, the more we push that they’re pushing for what they’re pushing for, the apathetic majority might not sit back. One can only hope, anyway.
The millionaire "shepherds" laying out specific battle plans for the sheep, who aren't bright enuf to figure out that they too are being herded toward the slauterhouse.
After reading this, I feel like I should be ordering flowers for the funeral of the country.
It's rare to see a document with such targeted specific hatred and vitriol toward everyone not part of the right crowd. What's worse is that it's pretty obvious that even if these people were to get their way lock, stock, and barrel, that wouldn't be enough for them, they'd start persecuting their own just so they'd have someone to make miserable. I don't even understand how in the h3ll people get this twisted anymore.
At this point, I'm going to go look at pics of cute kittens and puppies and hope that makes me feel a little better; then I'm going to go play some Final Fantasy 14. It's patch day, so I should be nicely distracted for a bit. And when November rolls around, I'm going to vote Democrat as a birthday present to myself and hope enough folks agree with me to keep these asylum-escapees out of office.
If I get out one day, I will celebrate my next birthday with a new tattoo, the initials of my dogs with their birth and death years surrounded by an oak leaf (longevity).
In spite of being a shrinking minority, the religious right has deluded themselves into believing they can take an authoritarian top-down approach to governance with a happy ending. They seek to accomplish through government and the courts what they have failed to get done from their pulpits. If Americans wanted the kind of government they envision we would have one, but they clearly do not. The people pushing these measures do not seem to be anticipating any push back. They're in for a surprise. If you want to see what persecution looks like . . . hand power to the preachers.
I seriously doubt they're interested in any kind of "happy ending" for anyone other than themselves. They plainly and simply want POWER, and they see Donald Trump in the presidency as the means to that end.
The idea fundamentalist Christianity could be imposed on a country as large and diverse as the United States, is about as stupidly dangerous as it gets.
Doesn't change the fact that they sure as hell want to TRY to do it, and the resulting disruption in our country is nothing we need. All the more reason to fight like hell against them ... because it matters.
It matters to me ... and I suspect to all the regular commenters here.
Well, having "happy endings' with other people is kind of gay. Sure, its ok in college. Not that I am saying that happened, but if it did, it was college and didn't count. But it is not ok now.
My guess is that the Heritage Foundation doesn't care about push back or even if it works. They are stuck in the same vicious cycle that a lot of conservative candidates and organizations are. They are a think tank that relies on donors and there is simply zero appetite on the right for any moderate conservative stuff. They have to chase further and further right-wing ideas to get any air time.
This is their "Look Fox, please give us some oxygen! We aren't the folks who designed Mitt Romney's Vermont health care plan that kinda worked any more!"
It's a rear-guard action, that will ultimately fail. Not that they won't cause a lot of harm along the way. At the end of the day, very few people want to be ruled by religious fundamentalists.
I'm pretty sure they put me completely out for the first eye surgery, but the second one I remember a white loose weave cloth over my face for a while, although apparently not as long as the surgery took. Reminds me of the oral surgeon and my wisdom tooth. He claims it took him nearly an hour to get that sucker out. I remember about 20 minutes.
When I had my wisdom teeth out, I had stayed up the night before playing Axis and Allies with some friends, so I had been up for about 36 hours straight. I had it done on friday afternoon, I woke up on the basement couch late saturday. My mom couldn't get me up the stairs to my room.
Heterosexual marriages last twice as long as same-sex marriages. Citation please, especially since same-sex marriages haven't even been legal for 20 years yet anywhere in the country. And only nationwide for 8 years.
Well, sure, they can make the claim- 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘭 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘳𝘢𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘶𝘱. Get back to us in fifty years or so when there are same-sex couples who've been legally married their whole lives, and let's just see how the averages compare 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯.
I'm sure someone *could* do a valid comparison. For instance by comparing divorce rates to those of hetero marriages made since SSM was legalized. Or by looking at places like the Netherlands which had it 20+ years before we did. If we did we might see differences or we might see sames but we should not be afraid or biased against either potential result.
...But I would not trust Heritage to do it right. PEW, maybe.
FFRF might not be calling for an end to churches tax exempt status, but I sure as shit am. Christianity is an existential threat to the country and the world and it needs to be eradicated with extreme prejudice.
At a bare minimum, they should be subject to the same requirements as any other 501(c)(3), including reporting and filing.
I'm in full agreement. "Keep good books" is reasonable, it isn't contradicted by any religion, and the folks who claim it is are being as transparently illegal as Hovind when he claimed he didn't owe state taxes because he was a citizen of God's kingdom.
It's how it works here. And guess what ? There is still religious charities.
I don't have as much concern for actual charities that happen to be motivated by faith. I work with some through a charity I'm involved with.
I'm not calling for anti religious extremism. I'm calling for *Christianity* to be eliminated. Big difference.
Christianity is an existential threat. That's not a subjective thing. That's a goddamn fact. There's seventeen hundred years of hard evidence to prove that it's nothing but a blight on the species and the planet. Christians are actively trying to end all life on this planet via war and climate change to kick off their imagined apocalypse. That's their doctrine and dogma.
Other religions might have some redeeming qualities and pro-social facets to them. Christianity doesn't. Christianity is the threat. Not Judaism, Buddhism, islam, or whatever else. Hence why I specifically say that Christianity needs to die.
"I'm calling for *Christianity* to be eliminated."
Let's hear your plan, then.
If you don't actually have one, that's fine, of course, but understand how much less seriously anyone should take a wholly theoretical clarion call that does not lead to an actual path.
1: remove the tax exemption.
2: strip all legal protections like the one that passed in Arizona a while ago that made it legal for the Mormon church to keep clerical confessions of child abuse in house and not report them.
3: outlaw teaching creationism and other Christian garbage in schools.
3.5: mandate history lessons on the church's genocidal history.
4: create oversight for homeschooling and remove the religious right to child abuse that christians employ there.
5: label the ADF, heritage foundation, and all their ilk as the domestic terrorist orgs that they actually are and treat them accordingly.
6: change the no religious test clause because it clearly doesn't work as intended and put some actual safety rails in place to keep evangelicals from ever attaining political power. Probably something along the lines of auditing the churches that any potential candidate attends and requiring them to provide copies of their sermons.
That's a start at least.
Would it be correct to say that 'Step 0' on your list is 'gain a super-majority of actively anti-Christian people in Congress, the Senate, SCOTUS, every state's government, and every school board nationwide, and/or (probably 'and) have a completely unopposed Constitutional Convention"?
Or am I misunderstanding?
Yes. I'm the first to admit it's a pipe dream, but we're staring down the barrel of a planet wide extinction that these fuckers are trying to engineer in order to bring Jesus back.
1, 2,4: agree.
3: already exists. We should absolutely not want to re-litigate this issue in front of this SCOTUS though, so if you are suggesting states add stronger laws against creationism to the books, I disagree, as I don't want to give fundies an opportunity to challenge & appeal those new laws up to this 6-3 SCOTUS.
3.5: disagree. We don't have a national curriculum and if we did no 'history of Christianity' (from any perspective) should be a part of it.
5: mostly disagree. Show evidence they fund illegal actvities rather than just calling for a change in laws, and we'll talk.
6. Strongly disagree. I absolutely do not want any ideological test for office. Both from a principled stance that it is directly opposed to the notion of democracy by elected representatives, and from a pragmatic stance that once you open that door, it will be used to keep out the people you like far more than the people you don't like. Seriously dude, look at our history. Look at the original forms of many state constitutions. We HAD the system you wish to put in place, before the Constitution was ratified. States DID try and keep crazy religious nuts out of office and off of juries. And guess who those rules targeted? Atheists, jews, and catholics. When we let our government make such rules, exactly no times did it result in the elimination of fundie Chrisitans. So why would you want to go back to that system? Do you seriously think the folks who get to make and pass those laws are going to agree with you on the *who* of 'who can't run for office'?
3-3.5: It doesn't though. Schools are allowed to "teach the controversy".
5: They helped fund January sixth.
6: That's how it's supposed to work in theory.
How's it working out in practice?
And, for the nth time, I'm specifically talking about Christianity here. Other religions aren't the problem. The cross club is.
Getting rid of Christianity is 1: impossible and 2: Would get rid of churches that have a lot of nice people in them. some, like the epicalable church has done a lot of good things AND social justice work.
Christianity=\= religion and vice versa.
Christianity is just Omnibigotry dressed up in a frock. IT needs to go of the rest of us want to survive. Other religions I don't want to see gone.
They just explained that Christianity is not religion and that due to its own extremism needs an extreme response. That's it.
I agree. In addition to the unethical problem of using coercion to force an atheistic belief system, practically there is no need. Give people a healthy stable safety net, a baseline prosperity and reasonably equal opportunity, and the toxic aspect of it goes into steep decline. Kinda like trying to manage the birth rate. China's coercion failed, but what we've seen in other countries is that if you give women an education, employment opportunities, and control over their own reproduction, the rate declines just fine on its own.
Atheism isn't a belief system🤦♀️ It's a LACK OF BELIEF IN ANY GODS. That's it.
Christianity=\=religion and vice versa. I don't want to force atheism on the world. I want Christianity dead and gone in order for the rest of the planet to survive.
And Christianity isn't fading away fast enough for the rest of us to survive it. Besides, even the "progressive" branches of it just act as natural reservoirs for extremism the same way armadillos are natural reservoirs for leprosy. As evidenced by the way they spend all their time No True Scotsman -ing whenever anyone points out anything negative about Christianity instead of actually doing anything.
Yes, Christianity is a religion. You can't recategorize your anti-religious suggestions by pretending it isn't. It is a belief in God, and Jesus as having some special relationship with God, and an afterlife, and certain beliefs about how to get into that afterlife (with lots of variation between sects). Some sects of it ALSO include bigoted beliefs against gays and all sorts of other groups, but that does not make those sects 'not a religion,' that makes those sects bigoted religion.
But let's go with your analogy. So your plan here is 'exterminate all armadillos' rather than 'figure out how to innoculate them against leprosy'?
I think they mean Christianity is not all religion, only a part of it.
1: In this case it's more like completely excising a tumor rather than leaving some of it around.
2: I'm not saying Christianity isn't a religion. It absolutely is. I'm saying that the terms "religion" and "Christianity" aren't interchangeable.
When I say I want Christianity gone I mean exactly that. Just Christianity. Other religions are not the problem here.
Also, Christianity is inherently and fundamentally bigoted. That's the only reason it even still exists. The gospels are originally just an antisemitic screed written to cuddle up to the roman empire.
My point, which I've made before, is that Christianity is not the whole of religion. People tend to use the terms "Christianity" and "religion" interchangeably and I very intentionally DON'T.
The last thing we want to is enhance Christian's sense of victimhood, which is pretty bad already. It will only make them dig in their heels. Better to let religion die a natural death.
Not happening fast enough for the rest of us to survive.
That's the problem. That's why "eradication with extreme prejudice" would not bother me in the least.
But I do have to concede that xtians will miss no opportunity to scream bloody murder about "PERSECUTION!"
The thing is, I know how hateful and deluded and dangerous and abusive these people are because I used to be one of them. I was raised in the cult, and even though I mostly disliked going to church, I went anyway, because I was told I'd go to hell if I didn't. I heard and saw things that disturbed me, but I got damned good at compartmentalizing and denial. All part of God's wise and wonderful plan, blah blah blah. Once I left home for college and encountered a whole new world, I began little by little seeing the Christian cult for what it was/is. Still, it was several more decades before I was free of the brainwashing and the fear. If you've ever lived through rapture scares as a child, you'll know what I mean. That's why I now believe that religion, like war, is not healthy for children and other living things. Especially christianity.
And as I've already said earlier, I can see how any eradication attempt would feed into their persecution complex and martyrbation fantasies.
OTOH, they're plotting a literal coup d'etat. I for one do not want to find out what living under a theocracy would be like.
Trying to be nice and tolerant and "non-extreme" to religion is precisely what has enabled the christian conservatives to amass all the frightening power they're wielding over us. Trying to be nice and conciliatory is clearly a failed strategy. It's high time for us to become more extreme--and militantly, aggressively, relentlessly so.
Sir, yes, sir! The conservative christians want to eliminate me and my rich, varied LGBT community. They say so--it's right there in black and white. But if it's your wish, we will all just roll over and let them, so as not to offend you, sir. Fighting to preserve a secular America is an awful idea, and I am so ashamed! Sir, yes, sir!
But please do tell us, what is your plan for curbing the conservative christians? I can't wait to hear it, because I can use a good laugh today.
The threat to us is immediate. Did you not read or understand the article? Waiting for enough leftist (or even centrist) judges to be seated to make much difference will take decades. I take it you're not a member of any of the groups the christers have in their crosshairs. But a lot of us here ARE. Moderation is a luxury we can't afford.
And as for your arrogant "do it my way or get out of my country" rubbish, it is our country every bit as much as it is yours and your kind's. It feels a bit foolish having to point this out, but we are citizens too. We will fight for our rights, our freedom, our very existence any way we see fit to do. If you want to pout about that, "go do it in some country other than mine."
Damn. Once again, the right is saying the quiet part out loud, and they're not even trying to make a secret of it. To be honest, as I read the above, I found myself giving SERIOUS thought to forwarding this article to the producers of CBS News 60 Minutes, with a STRONG recommendation that they dig into both the Heritage Foundation and Project 2025.
Actually ... back in a minute or so...
While much of this agenda would be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, the gears of government would grind to a halt. Plus I fear the current iteration of the Court might be sympathetic to at least some of this crap. Make sure everyone you know votes against every republican in 2024. They must be crushed.
Like the MAGAts they are.
The following was just posted to CBS's "Contact Us" page, with specific attention to their News division and the program, "60 Minutes:"
𝐼 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑑 𝑎 𝑝𝑖𝑒𝑐𝑒 𝑏𝑦 𝐻𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑀𝑒ℎ𝑡𝑎 𝑜𝑓 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑙𝑦 𝐴𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑆𝑢𝑏𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑐𝑘:
https://www.friendlyatheist.com/p/project-2025-a-christian-nationalist
𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑓𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑘𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑏𝑠 𝑚𝑒 𝑔𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑡𝑙𝑦. 𝐼𝑡 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑠 𝑎𝑛 𝑜𝑟𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑧𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑘𝑛𝑜𝑤𝑛 𝑎𝑠 "𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐻𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝐹𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛" 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑛, 𝑛𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑑 "𝑃𝑟𝑜𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 2025." 𝑇ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑔𝑜𝑎𝑙, 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝐷𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑑 𝑇𝑟𝑢𝑚𝑝 𝑜𝑟 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑒𝑥𝑡𝑟𝑒𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑅𝑒𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑦, 𝑡𝑜 𝑒𝑓𝑓𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑑𝑖𝑠𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑡𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑓𝑎𝑣𝑜𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑎𝑚𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑎 𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑦. 𝐻𝑒𝑚𝑎𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑢𝑡𝑙𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑡 𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑡 𝑠𝑜𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑦 𝑃𝑟𝑜𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 2025, 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑖𝑛𝑐𝑙𝑢𝑑𝑒 𝑎 𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑒𝑡𝑒 𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟ℎ𝑎𝑢𝑙 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐷𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝐽𝑢𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑒, 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑖𝑐ℎ 𝑟𝑒𝑓𝑙𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑡𝑟𝑎𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑠𝑒𝑥𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑛𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑒𝑛𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑐𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓𝑓𝑖𝑐𝑒𝑠 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐 𝑠𝑐ℎ𝑜𝑜𝑙𝑠, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑐𝑢𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝐷𝑖𝑠𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑡𝑟𝑜𝑙 𝑤ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑜-𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛 𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.
𝐹𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒 𝐼 𝑠𝑖𝑡, 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑟𝑒𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑎 𝑐𝑙𝑒𝑎𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑑𝑎𝑛𝑔𝑒𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑑𝑒𝑚𝑜𝑐𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑦, 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚 𝑜𝑓 𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑑𝑢𝑎𝑙𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑦 𝑎𝑟𝑒, 𝑟𝑒𝑔𝑎𝑟𝑑𝑙𝑒𝑠𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑖𝑟 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑓𝑠 𝑜𝑟 𝑙𝑎𝑐𝑘 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑜𝑓. 𝐼 𝑆𝑇𝑅𝑂𝑁𝐺𝐿𝑌 𝑢𝑟𝑔𝑒 60 𝑀𝑖𝑛𝑢𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑑𝑖𝑔 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑜𝑡ℎ 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐻𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑔𝑒 𝐹𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑃𝑟𝑜𝑗𝑒𝑐𝑡 2025 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑥𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑚 𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑙𝑦 𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑜𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑏𝑟𝑜𝑎𝑑𝑐𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑎𝑠 𝑠𝑜𝑜𝑛 𝑎𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒. 𝑇ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑡𝑜𝑙𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑒 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑒 𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑎𝑛𝑦 𝑓𝑟𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑜𝑚-𝑙𝑜𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑐𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑧𝑒𝑛, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑎𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑛 𝑎𝑔𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑡 𝑖𝑡.
I see serious attention to this business as being very damned necessary, and I urge those of you who are US citizens to take similar action.
So which Christian sect gets to be top dog? Project 2025 could just as easily used on the Christians own brethren who don't belong to the "right" sect. Christianity has a long and bloody history of persecuting its own.
Be careful what you wish for, Christians.
"But the leopards promised not to eat 𝘮𝘺 face!"
*𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵- Conservative Jews should take note as well. The "Judeo" part of Judeo-Christian isn't going to last three seconds past the moment these shitheads get the power they're after.
I’m surprised there isn’t a whole section on deporting all Jewish people to Israel. That will probably be one of their goals eventually, since that would be a sign of the apocalypse, which is this group’s ultimate goal.
Yep. "Judeo-Christian" is a purely Christian invention. Any rabbi will tell you that.
My wife, who is Jewish, rolls her eyes so much at “Judeo-Christian” that I fear they might get stuck looking at her brain.
My Christian sect is going to come out on top. Of the four main features any Christian sect: Worship of Jesus, Strippers, Black jack and booze, my sect has three of them. Most other sects have one, maybe two, and that's it.
Male strippers ?
What is the concept of gender when compared to the glory of god? So yes. All are welcomed, and all can find God's glory,.... or at least God's glory hole.
Can I join your sect? I promise to be devout.
I promise not to worship Jesus.
The left, be it the Democratic Party as part of their campaigning, or activist organizations like FFRF, and others, need to get on top of this and start blasting the narrative as what it truly is before the Heritage Foundation can spin this as desirable to the empty headed masses. We have to take control of the narrative in the media. Remind people that the religion Heritage Foundation is promoting is not their religion and they will be forced to comply. That the restrictions on abortion will end up restricting all mail order prescriptions, or change the way we do commerce between states. How they will lose money and financial security with the stagnation in wages they promote or even how their convenience will be affected if all businesses are closed on Sundays. They think Hobby Lobby and chik-fil-a are fine, yet once their competitors are also closed, they’ll be screaming about their precious needs as they did during the two week shutdown in 2020.
This is very serious and the best way, the only way, to combat it is to get ahead of them with the narrative. Remind the people that the GOP is going after social security, and your wages, and your freedoms. Because they are and folks will get the point eventually. Remind folks that this government shutdown scare was brought to you by the GOP and no one else.
Will they impose fines on people who don't go to church? Will people be locked up if they miss three Sundays in a row? (Three strikes and you're out)
The complete takeover of the federal government and all the big stuff about healthcare restrictions and rigged elections we know will happen because they spell it out. I'm betting they'll go after the small stuff too. They WILL be that petty.
In Russia employers can force their employees to attend services at the church of their, the employers, choice.
http://www.cc.com/video-clips/4xigsc/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart-jason-jones-live-from-sochi-ish---better-off-red
Just for fun, I Googled "Project 2025," and guess what I found! First of all:
https://www.project2025.org
Also, this enlightening brief description, listed immediately below that link, with the label: "What is Project 2025 Plan:
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑙𝑎𝑛 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑝𝑒𝑟𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚 𝑎 𝑞𝑢𝑖𝑐𝑘 𝑡𝑎𝑘𝑒𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑟𝑒 𝑈.𝑆. 𝑓𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑔𝑜𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑛𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑎 𝑚𝑎𝑥𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑙𝑖𝑠𝑡 𝑣𝑒𝑟𝑠𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑢𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑒𝑥𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑜𝑟𝑦 – 𝑎 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑜𝑟𝑦 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑝𝑜𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑛𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑆𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑎𝑏𝑠𝑜𝑙𝑢𝑡𝑒 𝑝𝑜𝑤𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑓 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑒𝑥𝑒𝑐𝑢𝑡𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑏𝑟𝑎𝑛𝑐ℎ – 𝑢𝑝𝑜𝑛 𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑢𝑔𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛.
As I said earlier, they clearly have ZERO PROBLEM in saying the quiet part out loud anymore, or at least where they think they won't get any blowback. What say we give 'em lots and Lots and LOTS of blowback!
So the left, and any sane people, need to brand this as plans for dictatorship. Then remind the American people what that means. Only the lunatic fringe will be able to agree with a straight face. Unfortunately the lunatic fringe are populous and never miss an election. So, the more we push that they’re pushing for what they’re pushing for, the apathetic majority might not sit back. One can only hope, anyway.
The millionaire "shepherds" laying out specific battle plans for the sheep, who aren't bright enuf to figure out that they too are being herded toward the slauterhouse.
"Forward", he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
https://youtu.be/GKiLEgAzFDQ?si=XdNYcQEmqYdFAknk
TL;DR
Republicans: Unless, you are under my thumb, you are oppressing me.
The world was once ruled by religion. NatCs see the Dark Ages as the good old days.
I don't think Make America DARK Again will catch on. : )
GQP: "Ya gotta know how ta sell it."
After reading this, I feel like I should be ordering flowers for the funeral of the country.
It's rare to see a document with such targeted specific hatred and vitriol toward everyone not part of the right crowd. What's worse is that it's pretty obvious that even if these people were to get their way lock, stock, and barrel, that wouldn't be enough for them, they'd start persecuting their own just so they'd have someone to make miserable. I don't even understand how in the h3ll people get this twisted anymore.
At this point, I'm going to go look at pics of cute kittens and puppies and hope that makes me feel a little better; then I'm going to go play some Final Fantasy 14. It's patch day, so I should be nicely distracted for a bit. And when November rolls around, I'm going to vote Democrat as a birthday present to myself and hope enough folks agree with me to keep these asylum-escapees out of office.
If I get out one day, I will celebrate my next birthday with a new tattoo, the initials of my dogs with their birth and death years surrounded by an oak leaf (longevity).
I read somewhere that you can't get into heaven with tattoos.
Why would you ever want to be stuck forever in a place that has THOSE fuckers?
Good thing I am a not a christian then.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2aabae23144312ebc9382edb8862f6547295fcff01d857d5ae5306b3b0f07166.jpg
Knew what that was gonna be before I clicked on it.
In spite of being a shrinking minority, the religious right has deluded themselves into believing they can take an authoritarian top-down approach to governance with a happy ending. They seek to accomplish through government and the courts what they have failed to get done from their pulpits. If Americans wanted the kind of government they envision we would have one, but they clearly do not. The people pushing these measures do not seem to be anticipating any push back. They're in for a surprise. If you want to see what persecution looks like . . . hand power to the preachers.
I seriously doubt they're interested in any kind of "happy ending" for anyone other than themselves. They plainly and simply want POWER, and they see Donald Trump in the presidency as the means to that end.
The idea fundamentalist Christianity could be imposed on a country as large and diverse as the United States, is about as stupidly dangerous as it gets.
Doesn't change the fact that they sure as hell want to TRY to do it, and the resulting disruption in our country is nothing we need. All the more reason to fight like hell against them ... because it matters.
It matters to me ... and I suspect to all the regular commenters here.
I agree. I suspect the attempt to impose religion on the country will actually result in hastening the demise of religion.
Kamala Harros swore in New CA senator with 'so help you god' oath. Don't expect soft Christians to let go.
Well, having "happy endings' with other people is kind of gay. Sure, its ok in college. Not that I am saying that happened, but if it did, it was college and didn't count. But it is not ok now.
Have you never heard of a brojob?
I have not. Tell me more...
Oral sex between 2 drunken straight male friends.
But totally not gay. And I'm not sure they have to be drunk, just horny.
They have all the guns for a reason...this.
𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘰𝘱𝘭𝘦 𝘱𝘶𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦𝘴 𝘥𝘰 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘱𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘱𝘶𝘴𝘩 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬
My guess is that the Heritage Foundation doesn't care about push back or even if it works. They are stuck in the same vicious cycle that a lot of conservative candidates and organizations are. They are a think tank that relies on donors and there is simply zero appetite on the right for any moderate conservative stuff. They have to chase further and further right-wing ideas to get any air time.
This is their "Look Fox, please give us some oxygen! We aren't the folks who designed Mitt Romney's Vermont health care plan that kinda worked any more!"
Yep. I like to remind them that we are a Constitutional Federal Democratic Republic...all four of those words matter.
It's a rear-guard action, that will ultimately fail. Not that they won't cause a lot of harm along the way. At the end of the day, very few people want to be ruled by religious fundamentalists.
OT : finally back. Now I want to understand why I had a local anesthesia for the main surgery and a total anesthesia for the check up 🤪
Long as you're well, that's all that matters. Good to have you back! 👍
Honestly, I don't know what the surgeon did but it hurts like hell.
Just focus on getting better. We're ll with you.
I'm pretty sure they put me completely out for the first eye surgery, but the second one I remember a white loose weave cloth over my face for a while, although apparently not as long as the surgery took. Reminds me of the oral surgeon and my wisdom tooth. He claims it took him nearly an hour to get that sucker out. I remember about 20 minutes.
When I had my wisdom teeth out, I had stayed up the night before playing Axis and Allies with some friends, so I had been up for about 36 hours straight. I had it done on friday afternoon, I woke up on the basement couch late saturday. My mom couldn't get me up the stairs to my room.
France is weird. 😉
Heterosexual marriages last twice as long as same-sex marriages. Citation please, especially since same-sex marriages haven't even been legal for 20 years yet anywhere in the country. And only nationwide for 8 years.
Well, sure, they can make the claim- 𝘣𝘦𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘪𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘢𝘭 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘦𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘳𝘢𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘨𝘦 𝘶𝘱. Get back to us in fifty years or so when there are same-sex couples who've been legally married their whole lives, and let's just see how the averages compare 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘯.
I'm sure someone *could* do a valid comparison. For instance by comparing divorce rates to those of hetero marriages made since SSM was legalized. Or by looking at places like the Netherlands which had it 20+ years before we did. If we did we might see differences or we might see sames but we should not be afraid or biased against either potential result.
...But I would not trust Heritage to do it right. PEW, maybe.
Projection to gain power and totalitarian rule.
Well, there we have it, folks. The writing is officially on the wall. Ignore it at 𝘢𝘭𝘭 of our peril.