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Attempting to sort out who was, or was not, a TRUE Christian kept Europe soaked in blood for centuries. That history is why the American founders did not give religion any role to play in the government of their new country. No one in their right mind would want to live in a world where people like John MacArthur got to make the rules. Theocracies are never bastions of human rights and intellectual freedom.

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This has probably been pointed out before, but considering the quality of education that some of these people have had, the violent history of Europe in the last millennium is all but unknown to them, and I doubt they would even be interested. Which is why:

๐‘‡โ„Ž๐‘œ๐‘ ๐‘’ ๐‘คโ„Ž๐‘œ ๐‘‘๐‘œ ๐‘›๐‘œ๐‘ก ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘š๐‘’๐‘š๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ÿ ๐‘กโ„Ž๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘Ž๐‘ ๐‘ก ๐‘Ž๐‘Ÿ๐‘’ ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘›๐‘‘๐‘’๐‘š๐‘›๐‘’๐‘‘ ๐‘ก๐‘œ ๐‘Ÿ๐‘’๐‘๐‘’๐‘Ž๐‘ก ๐‘–๐‘ก.

-- George Santayana

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I think Johnny-boy preacherman remembers the past just fine, and he'd like ๐˜ท๐˜ฆ๐˜ณ๐˜บ ๐˜ฎ๐˜ถ๐˜ค๐˜ฉ to repeat it.

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That's a possibility and sadly, a likely one. ๐Ÿ˜

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In my experience, these people tend to live in a religioius bubble and have no grasp of history generally.

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People always seem to have the idea that the First Amendment is there to protect Christians from the evil non-Christians, or (if you've done more of the reading) vice versa.

No no no no no! It's there to protect all those loving, peaceful, moral Christians from EACH OTHER.

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Above all else, it protects people from the tyranny of the majority.

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Buck is too nice a guy to be pope. Now if he'd just admit he's in love with Eddie and quit breaking these poor girls' hearts.

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Eddie who?

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Reference to the show 9-1-1. The fandom really wants to ship two male characters Evan Buckley (Buck) and Eddie Diaz. The writers keep queer-baiting, but ended the last season with both starting new relationships with women.

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Bisexual maybe?

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If the writers would ever grow a spine. Apparently they think the black lesbian couple is all the queer representation they need. But they're not above stringing us along.

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I hate when they do that! Just let the guys be themselves, it's tough on the women they hide behind too.

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And it's still going on.

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Hey ! Not our fault if football* was bot invented before 19th century and we needed about 1500 years to reinvent the Olympic games ! We had to find a way to distract ourselves !

* And I mean true football, not concussionball ๐Ÿ˜

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Even ancient Rome knew that bread and circuses appease the public.

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Tucker likes Russian bread; with Putin gluten!

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It's not a real sport if you can't use your hands. /s

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The goalie use their hands.

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Hockey doesn't allow hand passes. ๐Ÿ˜‰

And they do use their hands to grip their sticks. The goalies use their hands. paddles, gloves and blockers to stop, cover and hold pucks to keep them out of the net.

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They do in the defensive zone.

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It's not really ๐—™๐—ผ๐—ผ๐˜ball when only one guy uses his feet.

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Well, they all use their feet, just not on the ball.

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I've also been bemused by baseball, in which there's only 1 player on offense vs. 9 on defense at any given time, and the offensive player is limited to 1 dimension of motion at a time while the defense has 2 available.

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Give 9 men an opportunity to scratch their balls on national television?

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That should be my you tube channel.

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More than that when the camera shows the players in the dugout.

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They all use their feet running up and down the field.

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Itโ€™s bagpipes all the way down.

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"Slavery is not objectionable if you have the right master."

Hey MacArthur:

Are you ready to be a slave? I am pretty sure we can find you the right master.

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Hey, no probs. Slaves can always pick their own masters. Right?

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Some did, they found the better master was themselves.

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In proper BDSM, it is said that power flows from the submissive, but then that's playing Safe, Sane, and Consensual. With MacArthur? I doubt those words are even in his dictionary!

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I think you answered the wrong comment ๐Ÿคฃ

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People like him don't 'do' "sane, or consensual". just sadism.

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Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! <cracks bullwhip>

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I'm surprised he hasn't sold his children into slavery.

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Yeah he's no master, even though he fancies himself one, he's a slave to his warped religion/con.

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This is a first-class (or maybe, more appropriately LAST-class!) example of how twisted Christianity has become in some quarters. Granted, Martin Luther King, Jr. got the concept of non-violence from Jainism, but to call him a non-Christian when thousands if not millions of people looked up to him AS a Christian leader goes beyond insulting to downright ludicrous.

MacArthur should be dunned into a proper retraction, not that the public will hear that.

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Don't you know true christians slap the other cheek ? Look at January 6th.

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I don't know about "slap." I saw a whole lot of closed fists in that footage!

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It's me trying not to (?) down to their level. Gutter is good, sewers are not.

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Yeah, I hear ya! ๐Ÿ‘

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That's why I call them consewertives.

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Jesus was actually born on January 6th:

https://sweatingthesmallstuff.substack.com/p/jesus-was-born-january-6

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Or even later in springtime, because the shepherds were in the fields, with lambs, which they would not be in winter. If he even existed at all.

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A few days ago, a commenter asserted his or her understanding that Christians are prohibited from criticizing other Christians. I guess that person had some experiences around some very reticent Christians. But it made me laugh out loud because my experience was Christians criticizing other Christians is practically a sacrament. Calling MLK not a real Christian in the church I grew up in would have been just another typical Sunday.

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Christians are prohibited from criticizing other Christians? I guess that's why they're all members of one, big, happy, monolithic sect!

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Aha! Of course, me too have observed that happy monolithic sect. Said no earnest person ever.

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It's a tradition since the first christian books were written.

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Jesus said in Matthew 5:21-22 (NIV), โ€œYou have heard that it was said to the people long ago, โ€˜You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.โ€™ But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, โ€˜Raca,โ€™ is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, โ€˜You fool!โ€™ will be in danger of the fire of hell."

And yet they still continue to criticizing other Christians who won't conform to their faulty ideology only because they, aware of what history and the Bible really said, refuse to do so.

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Well, if Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. isnโ€™t a Christian, then you donโ€™t get to use him as an excuse to claim Christianity is not racist. Or not violent. Or not tolerant. Or not anything youโ€™ve been using his goodness as an argument for Christianity. So we can put that crap to bed and never have to explain that, even if he used his Christianity as a reason for his righteousness, he was a good person (whatever his flaws) using Christianity as a tool for good. While you all are bad people using your Christianity as a tool for cruelty.

But keep blowing those bagpipes, baby.

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Can we dump the bagpipes? The only thing they're good for is playing that musical lie 'Amazing Grace'.

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Bagpipes are okay, theyโ€™re just meant to be played on an open moor, not in enclosed spaces.

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Yes I like Corvus Corax.

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Cough cough... The islander cough...

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"It's a Long Way to the Top."

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There are two different videos of the band playing that song in the streets. One on the street, one from a rolling flatbed moving down the street.

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AC/DC song containing bagpipes, one of which is played by then-lead vocalist Bon Scott (see the video for that song)

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If you wanna rock n roll...๐ŸŽถ

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My first thought.

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Notice how these people grab every form of identity and use them as slurs. They have no idea what the word or identity is. The only thing that matters to christians is "You think differently, therefore you are evil and deserve to burn in hell."

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It's also a prime example of the kind of punching down that a LOT of evangelical Christians do these days. The one good thing is that there are plenty of King supporters out there who have no problem in punching right back!

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Definitely.

I'm currently talking (really!) with someone on Twitter-Rebranded-X, he said, "To us, woke means communist." So, punching down is an moral imperative. Like killing abortion doctors and anyone that thinks differently. It not only stops "communists," it also feels good, which is way more important.

Part of the right's current tactic is to tear down those that defy their ideology that people look up to. King does have a lot of people who will not only punch back, but also fight revisionist assholes like John MacArthur. (On a different front, the right attempted to co-opt Sir Terry Pratchett as anti-trans. Fortunately, his daughter and friends squashed that quickly. The right sure does like to fight or co-opt the dead, or not living.)

However, it's all the other marginalized people that christians and the right trample on that also needs allies, support, and defense. The trick is to get everyone to stand up for each other without thinking they are sacrificing their own struggles. Otherwise, it could be another 75-100 years before the tide really turns.

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It's actually one of the traits I find amusing about right-wingers; their tendency to treat completely different ideologies or character traits as synonyms when they dislike them. Woke = Communist. Muslim = atheist = socialist. Can we find an example of trans = satanist? I'm sure it's out there.

It's like they're telling a joke about themselves, but not getting the punchline.

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It's like they have a thesaurus where all the words are interchangeable with each other.

I suppose it's not easy to get the joke when they are the punchline.

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Muslim = atheist? The reichwinger who thinks that understands neither atheism OR religion.

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Both evil Satanic slaves who are out to destroy God and lead the faithful into sin and debauchery.

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Ave ๐Ÿ˜ˆ

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They are very much binary thinkers. Everything must be sorted into two and only two piles.

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"It is better to build a seismograph than to worship the volcano"

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What is really neat lately about confrontations like this is that the left isn't just tolerating this crap. We're fighting back, armed with actual facts, where all the complainers have is their emotions and the lies they've been told. I see people like Jamie Raskin and Katie Porter (and yeah, for that matter, Joe Biden!) being confronted with bullshit like what they pitch and instantly responding with, "Oh, NO, you don't!" I don't take it either when JWs or other religious idiots come to my door.

To borrow from the Mad Man of the Airwaves, Howard Beale: "We're mad as hell, and we're not gonna take this anymore!"

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Here's what songwriter/lead vocalist Dee Snider said about that song:

"ATTENTION QANON, MAGAT FASCISTS: Every time you sing "We're Not Gonna Take It" remember it was written by a cross-dressing, libtard, tree-hugging half-Jew who HATES everything you stand for. It was you and people like you that inspired every angry word of that song. SO FUCK OFF!"

- from a tweet by Snider dated August 25th, 2022

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Knew I liked him.

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โค๏ธโค๏ธโค๏ธYou'd think Douglas C. Niedermeyer from the 1978 film Animal House, in the video would clue them in.

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I know where I want to adjust my belt buckle.

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Pratchett anti-trans ? Maybe I am wrong* but I had the impression Vetinari's vampire partner was a transwoman.

*Didn't read the Watch books in a while.

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That not-quite-blowup had nothing to do with Sir Terry himself, far less anything he said or wrote, but rather some hafwitted transphobe's attempt to claim him as one of theirs (naturally, after he was dead and couldn't argue for himself). It got shut down almost immediately, because Monstrous Regiment ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฆ would've been evidence enough that they were full of shit, and as Sean said, his daughter and other people who actually knew the man weren't having any of it either.

In the same vein, there are people who try to claim Star Trek and Star Wars as right-wing oriented, proving nothing so much as the fact that conservatives just do ๐˜ฏ๐˜ฐ๐˜ต comprehend the media they consume.

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Facts do not matter to people who believe in myths. What mattered is:

1. He was dead and unable to refute them.

2. Was someone admired by the left.

You find the same with alleged "death bed conversions" of Hitchens and Hawking. Dawkins and Stephen Fry will also be subjected to the same treatment when they pass. I'm going to start doing the same. Did you know that Billy Graham refuted his beliefs on his death bed?

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Darwin's alleged deathbed confessions are still being spread about in spite of it being debunked.

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I remember reading that Asimov had a death-bed conversion. I didn't believe it for one second.

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Biilly Graham was a fraud and a huckster, he paid gangsters to say he had coverted, excuse me, 'saved' them. He then used a display of their guns, to con even more rubes. He was also caught sucking up to a paranoid tricky Dick in the whitehouse, caught on a hot mic about how much he hated the jews.

"I listened as he made a string of bigoted remarks about Jews and what he deemed their undue influence. Graham responded, "This stranglehold has got to be broken or the country's going down the drain." That line was picked up by media at the time and included in some of remembrances following his demise. Most of the conversation was not.

"You believe that?" Nixon said, seeming to be pleasantly surprised with affirmation of an anti-Semitic streak that courses through many Nixon Oval Office conversations.

"Yes, sir," Graham said to Nixon (and H.R Haldeman, the Nixon top aide later imprisoned for his role in the Watergate cover-up, who is apparently in the room for most, even all the conversation).

"Oh, boy," replied Nixon. "So do I. I can't ever say that but I believe it."

"No, but if you get elected a second time, then we might be able to do something," Graham replied.

Graham referenced friends of his own in the press who were Jewish and how they "swarm around me and are friendly to me." But, he added, "They don't know how I really feel about what they're doing to this country."

It got worse. Nixon brought up a topic of which he said "we can't talk about it publicly": the alleged influence of Jews in Hollywood and the press. He references an executive with the 1968-1973 NBC hit show, "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-in," as once informing him that 11 of its 12 writers were Jewish. (Nixon surfaced on an episode during the 1968 presidential campaign as part of his attempt at reinvention, famously uttering, "Sock-it-to-me!" a well-known catchphrase of actress Judy Carne, a show regular.)"That right?" said Graham. Nixon seamlessly continued by asserting that Life magazine, Newsweek, The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times were among those "totally dominated by the Jews." And, he said, the famous broadcast network anchors Howard K. Smith, David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite were "front men who may not be of that persuasion," but that their writers were "95 percent Jewish."

Nixon, being Nixon, qualified his broadside by declaring that this didn't mean "that all the Jews are bad." But, nevertheless, most were of leftish persuasion and desired "peace at any price except where support for Israel is concerned. The best Jews are actually the Israeli Jews."

"That's right," agreed Graham, who would further aid and abet his host's declaration that a "powerful bloc" of media Jews confronted Nixon "And they're the ones putting out the pornographic stuff," Graham said, thought it's a bit unclear to what he alluded."

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thomas-jefferson-street/articles/2018-02-28/dont-forget-billy-grahams-anti-semitic-turn-with-richard-nixon

"The Cohen-Graham connection resurfaced a few years later when Cohen was again put on trial for income tax evasion. During testimony, the comedian Red Skelton (whoโ€™d had some business dealings with Cohen in LA..) revealed that Cohen had been paid $15,000 by the Graham people to attend the rally at Madison Square Garden, with a promised โ€œ$25,000 if he had converted to Christianity.โ€

https://www.criminalelement.com/god-and-the-gangster-how-billy-graham-tried-to-save-mickey-cohen-jake-hinkson/

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I forgot Monstrous Regiment and the creative way they used socks ๐Ÿคฃ

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And that ever-so-subtle shift in the Sergeant's pronouns at the very end.

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The do worship the 'death Star' and stole the name with no sense of irony.

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That's because, to quote the meme, they never ask themselves "Are we the baddies?" (as they wear their Nazi uniforms)

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On the podcast Knowledge Fight, part of the intro has Alex Jones saying, "I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, say we are the bad guys." Irony.

Evil people see themselves as "The Good Guy."

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You know, I have noticed that as well. The worst people think they are actually good people.

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Historically, religious extremists have been more than willing to help people get to hell immediately.

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Yep.

And their religious brethren will condemn and forgive them in the same breath. Then everyone is happy again, at least everyone christians deem worthy.

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"The question is how many other conservative Christians agree."

One is too many. There are possibly millions.

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"...working for a gentle, caring, loving master was the best of all possible worlds."

Wow, so slavery was even better than freedom? Thanks Dr. M! This will be very reassuring news to black people, knowing their ancestors had "the best of all possible worlds".

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Not interested in a master. A loving Daddy to make sure there's food on the table, a roof over my head, and the A/C works, but still loves to buy me new toys OTOH...

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Iโ€™m sure he went to the balcony MLK was murdered on to dance for joy on it, as he was probably quite giddy that particular thorn was removed from his paw. (I know, he wasnโ€™t really there, but itโ€™s clear he wished he was.).

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"๐˜'๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ข๐˜ญ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜บ๐˜ด ๐˜ฃ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฆ๐˜ฏ ๐˜จ๐˜ญ๐˜ข๐˜ฅ ๐˜ต๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ต ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ธ๐˜ข๐˜ด ๐˜ข ๐˜ฑ๐˜ข๐˜ค๐˜ช๐˜ง๐˜ช๐˜ด๐˜ต, ๐˜ฐ๐˜ณ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ฆ ๐˜ค๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ฉ๐˜ข๐˜ท๐˜ฆ ๐˜ด๐˜ต๐˜ข๐˜ณ๐˜ต๐˜ฆ๐˜ฅ ๐˜ข ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ข๐˜ญ ๐˜ณ๐˜ฆ๐˜ท๐˜ฐ๐˜ญ๐˜ถ๐˜ต๐˜ช๐˜ฐ๐˜ฏ."

Seeing as how we've still got guys like you around, Johnny... perhaps he ๐˜ด๐˜ฉ๐˜ฐ๐˜ถ๐˜ญ๐˜ฅ have.

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Had the same thought.

Even if we survive the MAGA crowd's political power, I am virtually certain that the divide among the people of the U.S. is going to end by violence.

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๏ธ๐ŸŽต But when you talk about destruction

Don't you know that you can count me out ๏ธ๐ŸŽต

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGLGzRXY5Bw

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๐ŸŽฏ๐ŸŽฏ๐ŸŽฏ

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Not surprising if you grew up in fundamentalist white Evangelical culture a few decades back.

Before white conservatives turned Dr. King into St. Martin who only said one thing ever and nothing else, they were more open and honest about their hatred of him.

MacArthur didn't get the memo.

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MacArthur's an asshole amongst assholes.

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Exactly right

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"Slavery is not objectionable if you have the right master."

He says that, but if you suggest that he should be the slave, he'll scream blue murder and we all know it.

MacArthur here seems to be attempting to defy the old stopped clock theory about being right twice a day, and it's not a good look. Claiming that Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. wasn't a Christian is pretty much the exact sort of complete drivel I expect to see from MAGA Christians these days. Reality isn't something they can handle, so they pretty much BS their way through everything then get mad when someone calls them on it. Obvious comments about the No True Scotsman rule aside, claiming MLK as anything but a devoted Christian is more ridiculous than trying to add two plus two and getting 'eyeball' as the result.

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I've been called 4-eyes.

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Me too. And Fearless Fly.

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"The only TRUE Christian is one who believes exactly the same things I do." โ€”Every Christian since forever

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That was mighty white of him.

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I don't understand how people like this guy will say that that MLK wasn't a Christian, then point to various parts of the old Testament to defend their other beliefs.

Like what kind of Christian are *you*, Mr MacArthur? Show me how you're living like Jesus said you should.

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Gotta love the old double standard, dontcha? When MLK commits adultery, that means he's not a Christian. When [cough white conservative cough] evangelicals commit rape, pedophilia or worse, why they're just good Christians who have temporarily lost their way and must be lovingly, supportively, shown the path back to God's grace.

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And that Jesus was a dark skinned, Middle Eastern, pauper, whose work derives from Judaism (after all, what were Christians before Christ)

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l aways like to drop the line that living in the desert for so long, Jesus had to be very dark brown, drives them nuts.

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His bagpipes are playing so loud he's gonna give his congregation tinnitus.

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MacArthur doesn't get that the The Old Testament, which is the Christian version of the Jewish holy book (the Tanakh), applies to the Jewish people alone.

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But people like him, who loves the smitey god from the old testament, are why they poached it.

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He is the kind that does the exact opposite of everything the J-dude says.

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These pastors are all phony, fucking hypocrites. Elmer Gantry & Co. They are just out for money and apparently people pay to watch Phonies igniting flame throwers.

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At least in the case of Elmer Gantry, Burt Lancaster knew how to act! Jackasses like MacArthur? Not so much.

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๐Ÿ˜‚

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When a guy like this says things like 'slavery was good,' IMO its best to believe that they mean it.

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Let's get out the manacles for him, then.

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