No discovery of science has ever pointed to the truth of any religious doctrine. This is especially true when it comes to the Biblical account of creation. I would challenge her to prove conclusively that any of the people mentioned in Genesis actually existed, or that any of those events actually happened. At some point, religious faith begins to cross the line to mental illness.
The only proof creationists have for the Biblical Creation and the Flood is made up stories, folkloric myths, imaginary monsters, lost civilizations that never in fact existed, forgeries up the wahzoo, and their own warped, toxic interpretation of the Bible which they claimed to be 100% accurate and true while disregarding anything that clearly proves them wrong.
Here's what I said on Joe. My. God. website the other day -- Dumb Idiot Ham always have illustrations made of a group of children and a T.Rex dinosaur pointing at the Bible for "scientific" answers (that's not really there) in a intimidating way. And yet would balk at all those atheists who would do the same thing by pointing to passages which speaks of 2 daughters who gets their dad drunk to make woopie on, 42 boys getting torn to pieces by two she-bears, pregnant women bellies being ripped open, and other graphic depictions of scenes worthy of X-rated films and say, "It's in there." And they're really is all in there unlike Dumb Idiot Ham's distorted, demented Bible claims.
The Adam and Eve story is less about two literal people and more about being a type or prelude to the story of Israel.
Adam is chosen by God and placed into a type of promised land and given a type of Torah. If he obeys it, there is life. If he fails to obey it, there is exile and death.
I agree with you but I would not waste any time challenging these fanatics to prove their assertions. They have succumb to invincible ignorance and its doubtful that any amount of reason will change their delusional worldview.
I completely agree. We accept people that base their values and actions on a set of ancient fables. Some of it is so ridiculous that anyone with an ounce of sanity can unequivocally say that it’s a bunch of nonsense. Anyone else who held such fantastical beliefs would be locked up in a mental institution. We cannot allow legislation of any kind to be derived from the Bible or any other religious book.
The Bible is the world’s longest-running, most widely respected, and least reliable Rorschach Test. You can look in it and see anything you want to see, find anything you want to find, justify any pre-ordained conclusion you prefer, or validate any prejudice — because the Bible has it all: love, hate; revenge, redemption; war, peace; slavery, freedom; humility, arrogance; kindness, cruelty; and, as Mark Twain observed, “upwards of a thousand lies”!
Two things you cannot get the magic book to say is that human slavery and rape are wrong. In my view, if you can't get something that basic right, there is no point in sifting through the fly droppings in search of the pepper.
If we are going to start to quote the bible to make policy decisions, I only have a suggestion for you. Be quiet and go home. Seriously, 1 Timothy 2:12 " I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." So any time you flap that trap of yours, you are going against the will of God. And you dress like a strumpet. God gave specific instructions on how to dress. 1 Corinthians 11:16 "For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head." and 1 Peter 3:1-6 "Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands." I really have to questions your husband's morality and faith, if he is allowing is wife out of the house, especially dressed like a harlot.
Plus your quotes are from the NEW Testament, you know the Jesus one, and hers are from the OLD *Jewish* Testament. It doesn't matter to me but I bet she'd be offended if you pointed it out. Heh.
If she is a true bible believing Christian, she can not possibly be offended. Because in ordered to be offended as a Christian woman, she must have an opinion to offend. And having an opinion is a big no-no Her husband might be offended for her, but that is his prerogative.
If she was a true Bible believing Christian, she wouldn’t be in her position in the first place as she would already have known and followed the verses you provided above. No True Christian would have voted for her either. We’re surrounded by fakers and poseurs.
1. Nobody is claiming climate change will cause seasons, day or night to cease.
2. Deserts exist. So obviously Genesis doesn't promise temperate growing conditions everywhere. Genesis certainly doesn't say 'Pennsylvania will always be temperate', so God could certainly let our actions cause PA to become a desert while Iceland gets the ideal growing conditions.
3. Ed Brayton (pour one out) did love to say that while we might think the House is crazy, if you want to see REAL crazy you go look at the State representatives.
“When Democrats are pushing bills like banning gas-powered mowers and gas-powered stoves in New York City, all under the name of a climate control agenda, we can all see what is really going on here.”
What? What is going on here? I don’t see it, please spell it out for me. Is it that Democrats are trying to keep the air in New York City clean for people to breathe? The horror! I mean, then people of color will have clean air. How dare we?
“Of course, we are to be good stewards of God’s creation, but not through a forceful climate control global agenda.”
So, are you gonna take care of the Earth on your own then? Or intentionally shit all over everything out of spite? Cause I see you shitting on everything with big goobers of spite mixed in right now. If we can’t expect the folks who are polluting the Earth to willingly stop polluting and protect the environment, then our only recourse is to force them to. If we do not, we all die. You will die too, even the fucking billionaires you’re trying to woo will die. And all the money you get out of kissing corporate ass will be completely useless.
And let’s not ignore the irony of you complaining about forceful climate control by using orders from god as an excuse not to be good stewards of his creation. The whole concept of god, yours in particular, is forceful control of everyone and here you are whining that the legislature or government is trying to protect the well being of the citizenry by being forceful.
Your big flood is a rip-off of earlier flood myths. Your religion likes to steal ideas. Jesus? Another appropriation. Don't believe me? Tell me whom I'm describing...
God impregnates human woman. Baby of that union has powers and abilities that no mere human has. Performs impossible feats. Utters "It is finished" at the end of his earthly life before ascending to be with his father. Who'd I just describe? Jesus, you say? Wrong-o. It's Heracles. The god was Zeus and the mother was Alcmene.
Iron-clad, hard-working, superstitious ignorance is impervious to reason, oblivious to empirical, physical facts, and is entirely based on appeals to emotion. Trying to get this person and her supporters to accept the reality of climate change is a futile waste of time. The only solution is to out-vote her supporters.
A political party that consistently ignores reality in favor of ideology will eventually fail to deliver the basic needs of the people so badly that their distractions, their reassurances, their blaming of scapegoats, their excuses, their flat-out lies, and their threats against critics will no longer work. Appeals to emotion no longer work when the stomach is empty, the skin is cold, and the kids are deathly ill. People want real, immediate solutions to such problems, not demagogues' flapping mouths.
The problem is that the word "eventually" can mean a very long time, and a great deal of harm can be done during that time.
Sigh...even when I was in grade school, I couldn't stand the Apostle Paul, and I couldn't stand having his "teachings" shoved in my face, even though I didn't dare say so. I was hardly a Bible scholar, but I was aware of the verse about God being no respecter of persons, male or female, slave or free, etc. Since Paul's opinions stood in stark contrast to this, I figured he was just another male chauvinist pig like so many of the men in our church whom I found unpleasant to be around. And there was no shortage of women blithely ignoring that aspect of Paul, but it was frustrating to me that none of them ever said "oh come on, that's hogwash and we all know it."
Seedtime and harvest only started about 10,000 years ago. Cold and heat, well, the Earth was once a giant snowball. Summer and winter - in the tropics it's more of a wet and dry thing. I'll give them day and night. But in about 5 billion years, the sun will supernova. Of course, the Earth will be long gone.
I saw the headline of this article and my immediate reaction was: "How fucking stupid is this? Answer: PRETTY FUCKING STUPID!"
In a reality where we have advanced to the point where we can honestly claim to have at least the beginnings of an idea of how the universe works, we still have people who will treat ONE BOOK as though it was the first, last, and total authority on EVERYTHING. Let's not mention that the bible knows nothing about physical chemistry or solid-state physics or even basic mathematics. Keep in mind, this book thinks that Pi is equal to THREE. Yet Borowicz wants to scrap not a law but a resolution regarding climate change because Noah got a rainbow when the ark landed on Ararat!
This is nothing other than determined, purposeful IGNORANCE, and the only thing more troubling than the mindless statement made by Borowicz is that there are more people in her district who voted for her, possibly knowing that this was her position. And with 67% of her district voting for her, it's sadly likely she will continue to be a state rep for a while.
A lot of people are disillusioned by the corrupt legislators and boldly enabled corporate donors who loudly and proudly oppose all efforts to save the planet, for no other reasons than money and power. Religion is a tacky way to dress up that immoral greed. And pushing for an alleged Rapture is a convenient excuse for not doing the work in the here and now. Between societal burnout, jaded selfishness, and laziness, I’ve seen plenty of otherwise extremely empathetic, motivated people give up on fighting climate change. Messaging is a factor, and the opposition knows it.
I could probably benefit from the exercise. Besides, global warming will kill off coffee and chocolate if we don’t get it under control soon. How’s that for a finite resource? They think they are insulated from the general populace revolting, but go ahead and take out coffee and chocolate and see how unpleasant people will get!
What is truly exasperating is that they put forth the fundagelical worldview as something which has to take precedence over everything else in society. When someone points out the falsity of one of their assertions they just answer: "this is what we believe". They have been thought trained to answer all attempts to correct their errors of fact with 'our faith is just as valid as your science.' And since it is a death cult, they look forward to and are trying to invoke their endtimes. The problem is everyone else pays the price for their cupidity and learned stupidity.
No discovery of science has ever pointed to the truth of any religious doctrine. This is especially true when it comes to the Biblical account of creation. I would challenge her to prove conclusively that any of the people mentioned in Genesis actually existed, or that any of those events actually happened. At some point, religious faith begins to cross the line to mental illness.
The only proof creationists have for the Biblical Creation and the Flood is made up stories, folkloric myths, imaginary monsters, lost civilizations that never in fact existed, forgeries up the wahzoo, and their own warped, toxic interpretation of the Bible which they claimed to be 100% accurate and true while disregarding anything that clearly proves them wrong.
Here's what I said on Joe. My. God. website the other day -- Dumb Idiot Ham always have illustrations made of a group of children and a T.Rex dinosaur pointing at the Bible for "scientific" answers (that's not really there) in a intimidating way. And yet would balk at all those atheists who would do the same thing by pointing to passages which speaks of 2 daughters who gets their dad drunk to make woopie on, 42 boys getting torn to pieces by two she-bears, pregnant women bellies being ripped open, and other graphic depictions of scenes worthy of X-rated films and say, "It's in there." And they're really is all in there unlike Dumb Idiot Ham's distorted, demented Bible claims.
Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett all existed. : )
And Jesus, he knows them. He's got that Invisible Touch.
That is a weird song with even weirder associations for me. Every time I hear it I think of Minmei from the Robotech: Macross Saga.
I don't recall her singing any cover songs.
No, but like the subject of the song,
She reaches in, and grabs right hold of your heart
She seems to have an invisible touch, yeah
It takes control and slowly tears you apart
Minmei certainly did that to Rick Hunter. And to a lesser extent her cousin, Kyle.
I think I saw some Roku channel has the episodes, I might have to go back and re-watch it. I have them all on tape, but I don't know where my VCR is.
The Adam and Eve story is less about two literal people and more about being a type or prelude to the story of Israel.
Adam is chosen by God and placed into a type of promised land and given a type of Torah. If he obeys it, there is life. If he fails to obey it, there is exile and death.
The problem is, fundamentalist Christians see them as literal people, and view the creation story as true.
I agree with you but I would not waste any time challenging these fanatics to prove their assertions. They have succumb to invincible ignorance and its doubtful that any amount of reason will change their delusional worldview.
I fully understand engaging with a true believer is usually pointless, but there can be other's who hear the question and are motivated to think.
Agreed, but vocal challenges to these morons may influence others who are not knee deep in the shit show yet.
I completely agree. We accept people that base their values and actions on a set of ancient fables. Some of it is so ridiculous that anyone with an ounce of sanity can unequivocally say that it’s a bunch of nonsense. Anyone else who held such fantastical beliefs would be locked up in a mental institution. We cannot allow legislation of any kind to be derived from the Bible or any other religious book.
I’m afraid she crossed that line when she was about three...
The Bible is the world’s longest-running, most widely respected, and least reliable Rorschach Test. You can look in it and see anything you want to see, find anything you want to find, justify any pre-ordained conclusion you prefer, or validate any prejudice — because the Bible has it all: love, hate; revenge, redemption; war, peace; slavery, freedom; humility, arrogance; kindness, cruelty; and, as Mark Twain observed, “upwards of a thousand lies”!
Two things you cannot get the magic book to say is that human slavery and rape are wrong. In my view, if you can't get something that basic right, there is no point in sifting through the fly droppings in search of the pepper.
Considering the number of revisions, translations and purges the bible has gone through, Aesop's Fables is more accurate.
Dear Stephanie,
If we are going to start to quote the bible to make policy decisions, I only have a suggestion for you. Be quiet and go home. Seriously, 1 Timothy 2:12 " I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." So any time you flap that trap of yours, you are going against the will of God. And you dress like a strumpet. God gave specific instructions on how to dress. 1 Corinthians 11:16 "For if a woman does not cover her head, she might as well have her hair cut off; but if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or her head shaved, then she should cover her head." and 1 Peter 3:1-6 "Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands." I really have to questions your husband's morality and faith, if he is allowing is wife out of the house, especially dressed like a harlot.
Sincerely, Your Brother in Christ,
Holytape
So, silver jewelry, Chinese hairpins and being single are OK ? 😋
Got to love loopholes (I'm working, I'm not going to google it. Let someone else post it)
...aaand done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8ZF_R_j0OY
If you are a man. : )
Plus your quotes are from the NEW Testament, you know the Jesus one, and hers are from the OLD *Jewish* Testament. It doesn't matter to me but I bet she'd be offended if you pointed it out. Heh.
If she is a true bible believing Christian, she can not possibly be offended. Because in ordered to be offended as a Christian woman, she must have an opinion to offend. And having an opinion is a big no-no Her husband might be offended for her, but that is his prerogative.
If she was a true Bible believing Christian, she wouldn’t be in her position in the first place as she would already have known and followed the verses you provided above. No True Christian would have voted for her either. We’re surrounded by fakers and poseurs.
More like...
"I knew it. I'm surrounded by Assholes. Keep firing, Asshole"
This is the best response I’ve seen yet. I’d love to hear her try to explain and defend her cherry-picking of Bible verses!
𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑟𝑢𝑡ℎ 𝑖𝑠, 𝑖𝑠 𝑖𝑛 𝐺𝑒𝑛𝑒𝑠𝑖𝑠 8:22, 𝑖𝑡 𝑠𝑎𝑦𝑠, “𝑎𝑠 𝑙𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐸𝑎𝑟𝑡ℎ 𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑠, 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑒 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑟𝑣𝑒𝑠𝑡, 𝑐𝑜𝑙𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑡, 𝑠𝑢𝑚𝑚𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑤𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟, 𝑑𝑎𝑦 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑛𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑡 𝑤𝑖𝑙𝑙 𝑛𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑐𝑒𝑎𝑠𝑒.”
1. Nobody is claiming climate change will cause seasons, day or night to cease.
2. Deserts exist. So obviously Genesis doesn't promise temperate growing conditions everywhere. Genesis certainly doesn't say 'Pennsylvania will always be temperate', so God could certainly let our actions cause PA to become a desert while Iceland gets the ideal growing conditions.
3. Ed Brayton (pour one out) did love to say that while we might think the House is crazy, if you want to see REAL crazy you go look at the State representatives.
“When Democrats are pushing bills like banning gas-powered mowers and gas-powered stoves in New York City, all under the name of a climate control agenda, we can all see what is really going on here.”
What? What is going on here? I don’t see it, please spell it out for me. Is it that Democrats are trying to keep the air in New York City clean for people to breathe? The horror! I mean, then people of color will have clean air. How dare we?
“Of course, we are to be good stewards of God’s creation, but not through a forceful climate control global agenda.”
So, are you gonna take care of the Earth on your own then? Or intentionally shit all over everything out of spite? Cause I see you shitting on everything with big goobers of spite mixed in right now. If we can’t expect the folks who are polluting the Earth to willingly stop polluting and protect the environment, then our only recourse is to force them to. If we do not, we all die. You will die too, even the fucking billionaires you’re trying to woo will die. And all the money you get out of kissing corporate ass will be completely useless.
And let’s not ignore the irony of you complaining about forceful climate control by using orders from god as an excuse not to be good stewards of his creation. The whole concept of god, yours in particular, is forceful control of everyone and here you are whining that the legislature or government is trying to protect the well being of the citizenry by being forceful.
Everything I was thinking, and you said it much better than I could.
Oh stahp, you’re gonna give me a big head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xybLWdP119A
It’s like an orange on a toothpick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbQTwUnJoFc&t=9s
Hey, Dorkowicz...
Your big flood is a rip-off of earlier flood myths. Your religion likes to steal ideas. Jesus? Another appropriation. Don't believe me? Tell me whom I'm describing...
God impregnates human woman. Baby of that union has powers and abilities that no mere human has. Performs impossible feats. Utters "It is finished" at the end of his earthly life before ascending to be with his father. Who'd I just describe? Jesus, you say? Wrong-o. It's Heracles. The god was Zeus and the mother was Alcmene.
And his half brothers Pollux, son of Leda and Perseus, son of Danaë.
If it'd stand still for 30 seconds, Zeus would fuck it. (I'm assuming he's a 'minute man')
When a problem comes along (you must fuck it)
Before the cream sets out too long (you must fuck it)
When something's going wrong (you must fuck it)
Now fuck it into shape
Shape it up, get straight
Go forward, move ahead
Try to detect it, it's not too late
To fuck it, fuck it good
Well, straight … ish.
The only thing straight about Zeus is that apparently he didn't suffer from Peyronie's disease.
"Would you do it on the lawn?
Would you, could you, as a swan?
Would you when the moon is full?
Would you, could you, as a bull?"
(Oh, look, my express hand-basket has arrived...)
Alcmene was no virgin, believe me.
Genesis 8:22 is part of the covenant between god (non-existent) and Moses (fictional) made after the flood (never happened).
Borowicz needs better sources.
Iron-clad, hard-working, superstitious ignorance is impervious to reason, oblivious to empirical, physical facts, and is entirely based on appeals to emotion. Trying to get this person and her supporters to accept the reality of climate change is a futile waste of time. The only solution is to out-vote her supporters.
A political party that consistently ignores reality in favor of ideology will eventually fail to deliver the basic needs of the people so badly that their distractions, their reassurances, their blaming of scapegoats, their excuses, their flat-out lies, and their threats against critics will no longer work. Appeals to emotion no longer work when the stomach is empty, the skin is cold, and the kids are deathly ill. People want real, immediate solutions to such problems, not demagogues' flapping mouths.
The problem is that the word "eventually" can mean a very long time, and a great deal of harm can be done during that time.
Anytime there is a female xian politician spewing bible nonsense she should be interrupted and reminded of Timothy 2:12
"I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent." (NIV)
Throw in 1 Corinthians 14:34-35, while you're at it!
Sigh...even when I was in grade school, I couldn't stand the Apostle Paul, and I couldn't stand having his "teachings" shoved in my face, even though I didn't dare say so. I was hardly a Bible scholar, but I was aware of the verse about God being no respecter of persons, male or female, slave or free, etc. Since Paul's opinions stood in stark contrast to this, I figured he was just another male chauvinist pig like so many of the men in our church whom I found unpleasant to be around. And there was no shortage of women blithely ignoring that aspect of Paul, but it was frustrating to me that none of them ever said "oh come on, that's hogwash and we all know it."
“as long as the Earth endures, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night will never cease.”
Be that as it may, the climate can still be all fucked up, humanity on the brink of extinction, and these things will still happen.
Seedtime and harvest only started about 10,000 years ago. Cold and heat, well, the Earth was once a giant snowball. Summer and winter - in the tropics it's more of a wet and dry thing. I'll give them day and night. But in about 5 billion years, the sun will supernova. Of course, the Earth will be long gone.
Shush, kitten.
1 Timothy 2:12
I saw the headline of this article and my immediate reaction was: "How fucking stupid is this? Answer: PRETTY FUCKING STUPID!"
In a reality where we have advanced to the point where we can honestly claim to have at least the beginnings of an idea of how the universe works, we still have people who will treat ONE BOOK as though it was the first, last, and total authority on EVERYTHING. Let's not mention that the bible knows nothing about physical chemistry or solid-state physics or even basic mathematics. Keep in mind, this book thinks that Pi is equal to THREE. Yet Borowicz wants to scrap not a law but a resolution regarding climate change because Noah got a rainbow when the ark landed on Ararat!
This is nothing other than determined, purposeful IGNORANCE, and the only thing more troubling than the mindless statement made by Borowicz is that there are more people in her district who voted for her, possibly knowing that this was her position. And with 67% of her district voting for her, it's sadly likely she will continue to be a state rep for a while.
The Bible didn’t even get hand washing right.
Pennsyltucky.
A lot of people are disillusioned by the corrupt legislators and boldly enabled corporate donors who loudly and proudly oppose all efforts to save the planet, for no other reasons than money and power. Religion is a tacky way to dress up that immoral greed. And pushing for an alleged Rapture is a convenient excuse for not doing the work in the here and now. Between societal burnout, jaded selfishness, and laziness, I’ve seen plenty of otherwise extremely empathetic, motivated people give up on fighting climate change. Messaging is a factor, and the opposition knows it.
She's giving off some real "nosy neighbor who complains to the HOA when you let your grass grow a quarter-inch too long" energy.
ForcefulGlobalClimateControlAgenda/2024!
They're going to force you to go everywhere on your recumbent bike!
I could probably benefit from the exercise. Besides, global warming will kill off coffee and chocolate if we don’t get it under control soon. How’s that for a finite resource? They think they are insulated from the general populace revolting, but go ahead and take out coffee and chocolate and see how unpleasant people will get!
I remember DM without her morning coffee.
*Shudder*
It would be like taking everyone’s internet away. Absolute nightmare. Zombies walking the streets looking for people to chew on.
DM without Internet (she loves her smartphone and her tablet) is worse than DM without her coffee.
What is truly exasperating is that they put forth the fundagelical worldview as something which has to take precedence over everything else in society. When someone points out the falsity of one of their assertions they just answer: "this is what we believe". They have been thought trained to answer all attempts to correct their errors of fact with 'our faith is just as valid as your science.' And since it is a death cult, they look forward to and are trying to invoke their endtimes. The problem is everyone else pays the price for their cupidity and learned stupidity.