Good for Nick Migliorino for standing up to Ryan Walters b--s. I guess Ryan Walters will get the military to enforce Biblies in the classroom now? Just how Christian would that be? Actually very,very Christian. F you Ryan Walters. The Bible is actual history? Even to some of us Christians former and lapsed think of it as a nice bunch of stories. No way of proving The Garden of Eden existed. No way of proving most of the things in the Old Testament.,Ryan dumb fk. Don't force your looney toon opinions on to others.
I liked the Garden of Eden story. Sounds like a nice place. Sadly very male dominated. Ryan Walters will start calling men mothers as supposedly a woman Eve was created from Adam's rib. Hey in Ryan Walters sick thinking that's history. As in it really happened. Like to have met a talking snake though. Oh wait there is one-- trump.
If you’ve never done so, google up Mark Twain’s lesser known writings. He had at least a couple of short stories about Eden. One is an excerpt from Adam’s diary and the other is from Eve’s diary.
In a few weeks guarantee you since Ryan Walters says everything in the Bible happened? Every classroom will have to teach that Adam was the first mother. Trust me Ryan Walters is a mother alright a mother-fkr.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is no scriptural basis for the "pro-life" crowd. None. Abortion is not prohibited in the bible. Not even on a massive scale.
The white supremacists Christian Nationalists Evangelicals make up scripture as they go. They can always find a verse that explains things to their satisfaction.
Christian Nationalists constantly claim this country was based on the Bible, in spite of the fact our foundational document never mentions the words, Bible, Jesus, or Christianity. Section III, Article VI bans religious tests for holding public office in this country, and that is a very strange provision to include in the Constitution of a country supposedly based on the Bible. Good on the superintendent of the Norman public schools. Norman being an island of sanity in Oklahoma due to the presence of the University of Oklahoma.
These fascist Christians are revisionists...... they have literally told this lie so many times that they may actually believe it themselves. They think if they tell this lie enough that it will stick......and for the younger kids it likely will. Just like their propaganda lie that separation of church and state means the state should let the church do what they want.
Nearly 4,500 words in the Constitution and none of them is god, jesus, christianity, bible.
If that is in fact the case, then Walters is barking up the wrong tree. If he were to read Chapter 11 of Project 2025, he would quickly learn that said document would eliminate his position:
"Good Morning, Children. Please open your Bibles to Ezekiel 23:19-21.
"Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." Your assignment is to ask your parents to help you write a 500 word essay on what you think that means. Illustrations optional." -Jim Wright
Oklahoma educator is going to follow the law instead of kowtowing to the Reichwing tantrum thrown by his elected boss? How the hell did an adult get into public education in OKLAHOMA? Of course, the response from Walters is unsurprising.
I will explain how God just loves abortion, so much so that he gave a recipe for it. So much so that he murdered all of the pregnant women on the planet.
I will explain how God is love, so much so that if you don't believe it, you will burn in hell for eternity. Who could not find the love in that/
I will teach the sin of Sodom was not homosexuality at all, but how much heterosexual women like fucking with donkeys, or at least donkey dicks.
I will teach personal responsibility by explaining how you can commit any atrocity and clear your conscience entirely simply by apologize into Jesus.
I will explain how Solomon, the whitest man who ever lived, was so stupid that he didn't know that there was a hell. In fact, no one in the Old Testament knew that.
I will teach all about justice in the story of Job, where God allows a good and innocent man to be tortured so that he can win a bar bet with another drunk.
It's amazing to me and slightly appalling that I used to believe this shit. Your post reminds me of a podcast I listen to called Sacreligious Discourse. Basically two people who have never believed reading the Bible and exclaiming WTF every 5 minutes. Really eye opening and also somewhat cathartic.
I maintain that nobody who has actually sat down and read the bible from beginning to end can possibly believe it is inerrant... Believing the bible makes you a christian. Understanding the bible makes you an atheist.
It was a struggle. Still is. Sometimes old habits die hard. Sometimes I feel myself being judgy. Sometimes I have guilt for stupid shit. It is not ideal, but better than being an automaton.
I'm sure it is. But all you can do is remain conscious, correct yourself when you're going the wrong way, and be grateful to the universe that you're not going that way as a general rule. Good luck to you.
For myself, when I was in my early late teens and early 20s, I realize that I did not want to grow up to be my parents. It took a lot of effort not to be judgmental when they were judgmental, not to be cheap and constantly worried about money, to learn that I could indeed be angry, and a lot of other things.
Art class. Make art from it. Like that high schooler that Hemant covered before. Pissed off the school board tho having those bible pages in the school.
“The Bible is a necessary, historical document to teach our kids about the history of this country,”
Okay. I have several ideas for lesson plans. Here's one:
"For the next few weeks, kids, we're going to be looking at some famous rapes and forced marriages described in the bible and discussing how this has influenced the treatment of rape victims and women in general, from the Salem Witch Trials up til today. Begin by opening your bibles to the book of Judges, verses 19-21...."
"The Bible is a necessary, historical document to teach our kids about the history of our country."
Your bible is a hysterical document, Walters. Fixed that for you. And how does your 'document' teach about a country that did not then exist on a continent that the people whose oral tales make up the bible had no idea existed?
We can certainly teach students how Christians in the British Colonies a century before the founding of this country behaved when they had power. We can also teach those students how the key founders viewed both their Christian predecessors and the Christians of Europe and decided that religion should have no place at the table of governance; that church and state needed to be kept as far apart as possible.
The Frontier is right, according to Oklahoma's own description of Walters' job, he has no enforcement mechanism: "The superintendent is the chief education officer of the state and is responsible for giving advice and making recommendations to the State Board of Education regarding the public school system and the State Department of Education."
If Walters is insistent on "giving advice," I wonder how well he takes it. For example:
SHUT YER PIE HOLE, WALTERS! Do you REALLY want to cost Oklahoma schools court costs which could be better spent on our students? [as though Walters actually CARES about students!]
That's the thing, he's just using this job to position himself for higher office. Governor, US Senator, AG (oh hell no). He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
This parody of Walters (https://www.ryanwaltersok.com/) is closer to the truth than anything he’s said publicly. Which is usually bullshit.
When I had a boss that was asking for adherence to some ridiculous policy, I just worked around them. OK teachers should do the same. Bibles located in the bathrooms for toilet reading. If you’re constipated, it’ll scare the shit out of you.
The current title holder (New Mexico) ranks dead last in Pre-K-12, yet surprisingly is ranked 21st in Higher Education. Okiehomie is 26th in Higher Education.
Good for Nick Migliorino for standing up to Ryan Walters b--s. I guess Ryan Walters will get the military to enforce Biblies in the classroom now? Just how Christian would that be? Actually very,very Christian. F you Ryan Walters. The Bible is actual history? Even to some of us Christians former and lapsed think of it as a nice bunch of stories. No way of proving The Garden of Eden existed. No way of proving most of the things in the Old Testament.,Ryan dumb fk. Don't force your looney toon opinions on to others.
The "Garden" of Eden does exist. You have to take the right exit off Route 66. It's the best weed you will ever smoke.
I prefer The Garden of Eating
Olive Garden?
Yes!
The Garden of Eden for good weed. 🚬 Can just smell it now. Used to be a hippie hang out in the 60s? Oh I have heard of that!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPSaocNxLKA
I have to
youtu.be/qSCUhqsy4Nk
Thank you. You seem to always have the right lines.
A spur off of Route 66 would be designated Route 666.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l482T0yNkeo
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0215135/
It's also a nudist bar in Key West.
Not even really a bunch of nice stories.
I liked the Garden of Eden story. Sounds like a nice place. Sadly very male dominated. Ryan Walters will start calling men mothers as supposedly a woman Eve was created from Adam's rib. Hey in Ryan Walters sick thinking that's history. As in it really happened. Like to have met a talking snake though. Oh wait there is one-- trump.
If you’ve never done so, google up Mark Twain’s lesser known writings. He had at least a couple of short stories about Eden. One is an excerpt from Adam’s diary and the other is from Eve’s diary.
I gave not heard of those Mark Twain stories. I should look them up. Hopefully with some humor to them.
you want a paperback entitled "letters from the Earth". As Mark Twain said, it couldn't be published in his lifetime because it would be a felony.
Very funny. Stunningly modern too. I was just thinking that Adam is similar to Ken in the Barbie movie.
I think I remember reading them on Project Gutenberg.
Excellent ,Touche' !
Yeah. Greek and Norse mythology is much more interesting than anything produced by the desert tribes.
Yes, stories with rape, dashing infants heads against rocks, slavery, stoning women for adultery, incest...
typical relig kook with HUGE OCD complex...what oil well did they pump that MORON out of ?
In a few weeks guarantee you since Ryan Walters says everything in the Bible happened? Every classroom will have to teach that Adam was the first mother. Trust me Ryan Walters is a mother alright a mother-fkr.
The Holy Oil Well of Our Lady of Tulsa Oil Billionaires.
Don’t forget to teach Hosea 13:16:
16 “Samaria (the West Bank) shall become desolate;
for she hath rebelled against her God:
they shall fall by the sword:
their infants shall be dashed in pieces,
and their women with child shall be ripped up.”
If that isn’t ALL LOVING, what is?
YHVH and his army doesn't sound very pro-life.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: There is no scriptural basis for the "pro-life" crowd. None. Abortion is not prohibited in the bible. Not even on a massive scale.
The white supremacists Christian Nationalists Evangelicals make up scripture as they go. They can always find a verse that explains things to their satisfaction.
Numbers 5:27 talks about how a woman who has adulterated can be made to abort...
Dashing your babies against the rocks. Don't they teach you anything?
Christian Nationalists constantly claim this country was based on the Bible, in spite of the fact our foundational document never mentions the words, Bible, Jesus, or Christianity. Section III, Article VI bans religious tests for holding public office in this country, and that is a very strange provision to include in the Constitution of a country supposedly based on the Bible. Good on the superintendent of the Norman public schools. Norman being an island of sanity in Oklahoma due to the presence of the University of Oklahoma.
These fascist Christians are revisionists...... they have literally told this lie so many times that they may actually believe it themselves. They think if they tell this lie enough that it will stick......and for the younger kids it likely will. Just like their propaganda lie that separation of church and state means the state should let the church do what they want.
Nearly 4,500 words in the Constitution and none of them is god, jesus, christianity, bible.
It is the BS that David Barton has been spouting to evilgelicals (for a fee) for years.
Paul Weyrich had a heavy hand in this as well.
All of this bullshit started with him.
No university in this country that wanted to hold on to its accreditation, would hire David Barton to teach history or anything else.
+++
𝑊𝑎𝑙𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑠 𝑠𝑒𝑒𝑚𝑠 𝑚𝑜𝑟𝑒 𝑖𝑛𝑡𝑒𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑖𝑛 𝑎𝑢𝑑𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝐷𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙𝑑 𝑇𝑟𝑢𝑚𝑝’𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑥𝑡 𝑆𝑒𝑐𝑟𝑒𝑡𝑎𝑟𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝐸𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑑𝑜𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑦𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑡𝑢𝑑𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑠 𝑖𝑛 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒.
If that is in fact the case, then Walters is barking up the wrong tree. If he were to read Chapter 11 of Project 2025, he would quickly learn that said document would eliminate his position:
𝐹𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑒𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑦 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑎𝑛𝑑, 𝑢𝑙𝑡𝑖𝑚𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑙𝑦, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝐷𝑒𝑝𝑎𝑟𝑡𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑜𝑓 𝐸𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑏𝑒 𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑛𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑.
-- Project 2025, Chapter 11, p.319
What you got to say to THAT, Ryan?
"Good Morning, Children. Please open your Bibles to Ezekiel 23:19-21.
"Yet she became more and more promiscuous as she recalled the days of her youth, when she was a prostitute in Egypt. There she lusted after her lovers, whose genitals were like those of donkeys and whose emission was like that of horses." Your assignment is to ask your parents to help you write a 500 word essay on what you think that means. Illustrations optional." -Jim Wright
"Teacher, my pages are stuck together. "
The dog humped my homework.
Yes.
If that doesn't make those MAGA parents rupture an artery, nothing will.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
:)
Hahahaha cdbunch…exactly.
These are people who believe that 'bromances' exist.
Oklahoma educator is going to follow the law instead of kowtowing to the Reichwing tantrum thrown by his elected boss? How the hell did an adult get into public education in OKLAHOMA? Of course, the response from Walters is unsurprising.
It’s almost like he is trying to do his job responsibly and not vamping for some other position.
Sure. I'll teach from the Bible.
I will explain how God just loves abortion, so much so that he gave a recipe for it. So much so that he murdered all of the pregnant women on the planet.
I will explain how God is love, so much so that if you don't believe it, you will burn in hell for eternity. Who could not find the love in that/
I will teach the sin of Sodom was not homosexuality at all, but how much heterosexual women like fucking with donkeys, or at least donkey dicks.
I will teach personal responsibility by explaining how you can commit any atrocity and clear your conscience entirely simply by apologize into Jesus.
I will explain how Solomon, the whitest man who ever lived, was so stupid that he didn't know that there was a hell. In fact, no one in the Old Testament knew that.
I will teach all about justice in the story of Job, where God allows a good and innocent man to be tortured so that he can win a bar bet with another drunk.
I can't wait to teach from the Bible.
It's amazing to me and slightly appalling that I used to believe this shit. Your post reminds me of a podcast I listen to called Sacreligious Discourse. Basically two people who have never believed reading the Bible and exclaiming WTF every 5 minutes. Really eye opening and also somewhat cathartic.
I maintain that nobody who has actually sat down and read the bible from beginning to end can possibly believe it is inerrant... Believing the bible makes you a christian. Understanding the bible makes you an atheist.
Inerrant from beginning to end? Shit, Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 contradict each other.
Indeed they do contradict. Just check order of events!
Plus, why would the word of God redundantly tell the story of Creation twice?
And different stories?
This. Is. 🤯. I never thought about it like that before. Thank you.
Good for you that you don't believe it anymore.
It was a struggle. Still is. Sometimes old habits die hard. Sometimes I feel myself being judgy. Sometimes I have guilt for stupid shit. It is not ideal, but better than being an automaton.
I'm sure it is. But all you can do is remain conscious, correct yourself when you're going the wrong way, and be grateful to the universe that you're not going that way as a general rule. Good luck to you.
For myself, when I was in my early late teens and early 20s, I realize that I did not want to grow up to be my parents. It took a lot of effort not to be judgmental when they were judgmental, not to be cheap and constantly worried about money, to learn that I could indeed be angry, and a lot of other things.
All teachers ? Really ? Then, I want to see babbles used in sports, starting with athletism, I wonder how far it can fly when thrown 😁
Shop class, make a table out of it.
Art class. Make art from it. Like that high schooler that Hemant covered before. Pissed off the school board tho having those bible pages in the school.
Sex Ed: How to get your father drunk and "trick" him into getting you pregnant. (Gen 19:30-36)
See? The Bible truly is a how-to manual for life!
I thought the right was going to cut out art and music classes.
Bibles can be doorstops in classrooms that leave the windows and door open to catch a cooling crossbreeze.
I had a wiggly desk in grade school. A bible coulda helped me with that.
They also make good kindling for camp fires, fireplaces.
“The Bible is a necessary, historical document to teach our kids about the history of this country,”
Okay. I have several ideas for lesson plans. Here's one:
"For the next few weeks, kids, we're going to be looking at some famous rapes and forced marriages described in the bible and discussing how this has influenced the treatment of rape victims and women in general, from the Salem Witch Trials up til today. Begin by opening your bibles to the book of Judges, verses 19-21...."
Yes!!
"The Bible is a necessary, historical document to teach our kids about the history of our country."
Your bible is a hysterical document, Walters. Fixed that for you. And how does your 'document' teach about a country that did not then exist on a continent that the people whose oral tales make up the bible had no idea existed?
We can certainly teach students how Christians in the British Colonies a century before the founding of this country behaved when they had power. We can also teach those students how the key founders viewed both their Christian predecessors and the Christians of Europe and decided that religion should have no place at the table of governance; that church and state needed to be kept as far apart as possible.
The babble has an uterus ? That may explain all the blood shed within its pages then.
I still hold the Fucker Ryan Walters partially responsible for the hostile atmosphere that led to Nex Benedict's death.
Me too.
What needs to happen now is that more superintendents need to make the same comments as Migliorino. AMEN!
The Frontier is right, according to Oklahoma's own description of Walters' job, he has no enforcement mechanism: "The superintendent is the chief education officer of the state and is responsible for giving advice and making recommendations to the State Board of Education regarding the public school system and the State Department of Education."
"Giving advice and making recommendations"
If Walters is insistent on "giving advice," I wonder how well he takes it. For example:
SHUT YER PIE HOLE, WALTERS! Do you REALLY want to cost Oklahoma schools court costs which could be better spent on our students? [as though Walters actually CARES about students!]
That's the thing, he's just using this job to position himself for higher office. Governor, US Senator, AG (oh hell no). He doesn't care about anyone but himself.
From facebook Atheist Focus today:
"One would think an all-powerful, all-knowing god would be able to further his own agenda without legislative assistance"
This parody of Walters (https://www.ryanwaltersok.com/) is closer to the truth than anything he’s said publicly. Which is usually bullshit.
When I had a boss that was asking for adherence to some ridiculous policy, I just worked around them. OK teachers should do the same. Bibles located in the bathrooms for toilet reading. If you’re constipated, it’ll scare the shit out of you.
He may very well be the main reason that education in Oklahoma is ranked 49th.
It's long past time to replace him with someone less destructive.
He's trying for 50th.
The current title holder (New Mexico) ranks dead last in Pre-K-12, yet surprisingly is ranked 21st in Higher Education. Okiehomie is 26th in Higher Education.
*scratch my head*
Probably people from higher ranked states looking for cheap tuition rates.
$29k a year is cheap? And that's in-state.