Why is it that the organization that has in the past paid for all sorts of very expensive cathedrals suddenly gets to plead that they 'need' those taxpayer dollars to fund their school?
No. I'm not buying it. I want to see tax returns, I want to see priests in cheap robes, I want to see churches running bake sales to buy supplies. I'm sick of my government paying for things for wealthy organizations (not always religious ones, but some of the worst offenders are religious) that have more then enough money to pay for it themselves. This is even before we get to all the other issues involved with the RCC being allowed to run anything involving children; I don't care if it's over the internet I see no reason to allow these people access to minors. The RCC has plenty of money, if they want to run a @#%*ing school, they have the resources to do so without taxpayer assistance. And why is the same party that demanded more work for those on social assistance programs now giving away tax dollars to this welfare queen of a church anyway?!?!?!?
I guess we know the answer to that, don't we? I'm going to take my grumpy attitude about this elsewhere for a bit.
With multiple state-level investigations into the RCC's child rape addiction blowing up in the national news, Oklahoma decides 𝘯𝘰𝘸 is the moment to give that shitty old death cult another victim factory.
There was a time when the courts would have shot this down in a heartbeat, but that was before it was decided it was more important for Supreme Court Justices to grind their religious axes, than follow the Constitution. No religious school should get one cent of public money, for any reason!
I'm a retired public schoolteacher in Australia and they started this here in the mid 1960's. They did a 'close all catholic schools' stunt in one town, the local bishop telling all parents to take their kids to the nearest government school, which of course couldn't handle the additional numbers. They did this because there were fewer 'vocations', i.e. not as many young catholics were becoming brothers and nuns and the schools had to pay competitive salaries to secular staff.
Sadly, it worked and now government funding to private schools (no matter how wealthy) is accepted.
One conservative government argued that the schools will be able to keep the fees down, but they didn't. Instead they used the money to build massive halls, gymnasiums. swimming pools, etc.
When I see these buildings and materials compared to the government schools I still get very angry!
I urge my American friends to fight against this for all its worth!
I really want to know what part of "no public funds for religious schools" don't these people get. This shouldn't even be a discussion. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment makes this abundantly clear, and they really should be no discussion about it whatsoever. Sad to say, in this day and age, with the First Amendment being as weakened as it currently is, it's entirely possible that Oklahoma will get away with this.
To the detriment of all of us ... including Oklahoma.
NZ is way ahead of you here. We've had these damn things for years now. They're called "integrated" schools. Although to be fair they do have to teach the national curriculum, and they are supposed to have a "special character" which means they can basically teach religion. I'm pretty sure that if they take government money they can't be teaching stuff like "creation science".
The FFRF post about this includes the info that the Notre Dame Law Clinic is spearheading the effort to establish schools like this in other states--which would require overturning state laws. They are calling it their Religious Liberty Initiative. Am I misremembering, but wasn't Amy Handmaid Barrett affiliated with Notre Dame? If so, and somebody (AU, FFRF, whoever) sues, watch such schools be approved at light-speed by the Supremes. Who, us? Corrupt?
The merging of religion and state is the catalyst that tips the first domino in a chain of them that ends in a war over religion. Those against giving tax revenue to religious schools should pass a law allowing them to check a box on their tax returns forbidding the state from using the tax payer dollars from funding a religious based school. Similar to how The United Way allowed donors to block their dollars from going to Planned Parenthood.
I just wonder what the Oklahoma evangelicals are going to say about this. They hate Catholics and I'm sure there are several pastors who would like to be running a taxpayer funded school of indoctrination (ka-CHING!).
This is NOT the first use of tax dollars by a state for religious schools. TN recently approved of at least 40 Evangelical charter schools developed by Hillsdale College-- a religious college involved in charter creation in multiple states. I believe they are doing the same in Florida. What a shock?
Why is it that the organization that has in the past paid for all sorts of very expensive cathedrals suddenly gets to plead that they 'need' those taxpayer dollars to fund their school?
No. I'm not buying it. I want to see tax returns, I want to see priests in cheap robes, I want to see churches running bake sales to buy supplies. I'm sick of my government paying for things for wealthy organizations (not always religious ones, but some of the worst offenders are religious) that have more then enough money to pay for it themselves. This is even before we get to all the other issues involved with the RCC being allowed to run anything involving children; I don't care if it's over the internet I see no reason to allow these people access to minors. The RCC has plenty of money, if they want to run a @#%*ing school, they have the resources to do so without taxpayer assistance. And why is the same party that demanded more work for those on social assistance programs now giving away tax dollars to this welfare queen of a church anyway?!?!?!?
I guess we know the answer to that, don't we? I'm going to take my grumpy attitude about this elsewhere for a bit.
With multiple state-level investigations into the RCC's child rape addiction blowing up in the national news, Oklahoma decides 𝘯𝘰𝘸 is the moment to give that shitty old death cult another victim factory.
𝘞𝘰𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘶𝘭.
There was a time when the courts would have shot this down in a heartbeat, but that was before it was decided it was more important for Supreme Court Justices to grind their religious axes, than follow the Constitution. No religious school should get one cent of public money, for any reason!
I'm a retired public schoolteacher in Australia and they started this here in the mid 1960's. They did a 'close all catholic schools' stunt in one town, the local bishop telling all parents to take their kids to the nearest government school, which of course couldn't handle the additional numbers. They did this because there were fewer 'vocations', i.e. not as many young catholics were becoming brothers and nuns and the schools had to pay competitive salaries to secular staff.
Sadly, it worked and now government funding to private schools (no matter how wealthy) is accepted.
One conservative government argued that the schools will be able to keep the fees down, but they didn't. Instead they used the money to build massive halls, gymnasiums. swimming pools, etc.
When I see these buildings and materials compared to the government schools I still get very angry!
I urge my American friends to fight against this for all its worth!
OT - Gay Days at Disney World
𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐧𝐞𝐲 𝐰𝐞𝐥𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐞𝐬 𝐆𝐚𝐲 𝐃𝐚𝐲𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐟𝐞𝐮𝐝 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐃𝐞𝐒𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐢𝐬 𝐫𝐚𝐠𝐞𝐬 𝐨𝐧
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f3579d0ac0b89904778ea7f39ced64f7a494a2ab433f9bc78142faef96a08646.jpg
https://news.yahoo.com/disney-welcomes-gay-days-florida-020649063.html
I really want to know what part of "no public funds for religious schools" don't these people get. This shouldn't even be a discussion. The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment makes this abundantly clear, and they really should be no discussion about it whatsoever. Sad to say, in this day and age, with the First Amendment being as weakened as it currently is, it's entirely possible that Oklahoma will get away with this.
To the detriment of all of us ... including Oklahoma.
What does God need with a school anyway?
https://media.tenor.com/c9kXx5hfTQ0AAAAM/star-trek-kirk.gif
Do a search engine with the words "charter schools don't work." Article after article on just how bad charter schools are for public education.
Why are they still a thing?
NZ is way ahead of you here. We've had these damn things for years now. They're called "integrated" schools. Although to be fair they do have to teach the national curriculum, and they are supposed to have a "special character" which means they can basically teach religion. I'm pretty sure that if they take government money they can't be teaching stuff like "creation science".
all you have to do is quote them verbatim
https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1665719036322119682
The FFRF post about this includes the info that the Notre Dame Law Clinic is spearheading the effort to establish schools like this in other states--which would require overturning state laws. They are calling it their Religious Liberty Initiative. Am I misremembering, but wasn't Amy Handmaid Barrett affiliated with Notre Dame? If so, and somebody (AU, FFRF, whoever) sues, watch such schools be approved at light-speed by the Supremes. Who, us? Corrupt?
The merging of religion and state is the catalyst that tips the first domino in a chain of them that ends in a war over religion. Those against giving tax revenue to religious schools should pass a law allowing them to check a box on their tax returns forbidding the state from using the tax payer dollars from funding a religious based school. Similar to how The United Way allowed donors to block their dollars from going to Planned Parenthood.
I just wonder what the Oklahoma evangelicals are going to say about this. They hate Catholics and I'm sure there are several pastors who would like to be running a taxpayer funded school of indoctrination (ka-CHING!).
Oklahoma is already ranked 48th Overall in Education.
This maneuver ought to push them into the next-to-last spot or even dead last.
OT - Sadism is the point
𝐓𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐬𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝐚𝐝𝐮𝐥𝐭𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 ‘𝐛𝐥𝐢𝐧𝐝𝐬𝐢𝐝𝐞𝐝’ 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐥𝐚𝐰 𝐚𝐥𝐬𝐨 𝐥𝐢𝐦𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐢𝐫 𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐡𝐞𝐚𝐥𝐭𝐡 𝐜𝐚𝐫𝐞
𝘌𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘴 𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 80% 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘥𝘶𝘭𝘵𝘴 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘵𝘩 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘢 𝘯𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘦𝘴𝘴.
https://www.newstalkflorida.com/featured/pride-month-transgender-adults-in-florida-blindsided-that-new-law-also-limits-their-access-to-health-care/
https://www.cagle.com/dave-whamond/2023/06/back-to-florida
This is NOT the first use of tax dollars by a state for religious schools. TN recently approved of at least 40 Evangelical charter schools developed by Hillsdale College-- a religious college involved in charter creation in multiple states. I believe they are doing the same in Florida. What a shock?