Well, sure, you ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ go with that idea and force your religion on everyone else, like you've been trying unsuccessfully to do all your lives...
...or, and I'm just throwing this out there, because it doesn't seem to have occurred to y'all: maybe, just maybe, you could try a little harder to ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต be piss-marking theocratic douchecanoes... and, of particular concern for this modest little proposal, stop shoving LGBTQ people back into the closet with your stupid culture war.
Y'know, so that the closet will be ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ต๐บ.
Then, since there'll be ๐ด๐ฐ much room in that now-empty closet, you can walk into the closet yourselves, shut the door nice and tight, and pray ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ, like your messiah commanded you to!
In a way I hope this happens and the local TST get knuckle deep in that action. In another, better, way I hope it all crashes, but considering it's in OK, I'm not holding my breath.
Also, when did Hemant stop being at OnlySky? What's going on?
Whatโs corporate prayers? Iโm assuming from context they mean coerced teacher/administrator led compulsory prayers.
Do these people not know thereโs a first amendment to our constitution? Oh they know, it just keeps getting in the way of the second amendment when folks are in places like Kenosha. Doesnโt matter anyway, SCROTUS will let them get away with it because the teachers and administrators have a freedom of religion, but not the students.
This is more than simply separation of church and state, itโs forced speech. And yโall know what I think about forced speech.
I am thoroughly sick of people getting away with the sort of lies, manipulation, deception, and coercion I'm seeing here. This is a very obvious attempt to force the prayer issue yet again despite the fact it's been covered clearly several times both by the US court system and their precious bible.
NO public prayer. Jesus said so in clear terms, not that your cherry picking of your own holy work acknowledges it. He never even specified exceptions. Get out of schools, get out of hospitals, get out of the government, and stay out. Your prayers are getting in the way of actual work getting done.
"So he told them he would form a committee to explore an issue thatโs already been settled for several decades."
That Supreme Court no longer exists, and the majority of the current Supreme Court has already proven that they don't give a damn about precedent. So by the time he and his theocratic friends get their unconstitutional policies installed, legally challenged, appealed and appealed again all the way up to the religious ideologues sitting on the highest bench, it could end up being made the law of the land. He probably figures he has very little to lose by trying.
Amid the absolute shitstorm of anti-trans legislation being pitched and passed across the US-of-A, there are still a ๐ง๐ฆ๐ธ places where legislators are trying to move forwards instead of backwards. Bills introduced in Washington and California would allow trans people who've had their names legally changed to seal records of their deadnames, which would prevent future harassment by trolls, haters... and the occasional reich-wing State Attorney General or Governor. A couple of states already have similar laws on the books, so it's at least possible that a couple more could pass them too.
Wow. You'd swear that these guys had never heard of Engel v. Vitale or any of the foofaraw that has come down in the wake of that decision. You'd also wonder if they understand the liability of trying to FORCE prayer among kids, some parents of which might object to such force. And of course, this is in Oklahoma, whose only redeeming feature is that it's the home of Seth Andrews and The Thinking Atheist.
As with so many other similar stories, followup on this one I think is pretty necessary ... along with breaking out the popcorn and the beer. Could get interesting, I think!
Oklahoma. Ranked 42nd in Education. Walters is trying to make things worse.
The Sooner State is ranked 43rd as Best State to Live In, 48th in Health Care and 44th in Crime and Corrections. Seems to me they have more pressing issues to deal with than something that would be facing challenges by the FFRF and other groups and be stricken down as unconstitutional should it actually be enacted anyway.
The report, provided to The Associated Press ahead of its public release Thursday, also found that all extremist killings identified in 2022 were linked to right-wing extremism, with an especially high number linked to white supremacy.
<snip>
With the waning of the Islamic State group, the main threat in the near future will likely be white supremacist shooters, the report found.
The IMMEDIATE effect of Drummond's announcement is to Kick the Catholics, whom the Fundagelical GOP base does not consider Real Christians. It IMMEDIATELY earns him credit with "... most Oklahomans ...".
You have NO WAY to be assured that when the question of a Fundagelical School puts its hand out he won't have weasel words to 'Expand and Amend' his original announcement.
It's not 'courage', it's mere POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY, as his qualification shows. He ADMITS there are 'unnamed religions' that "... most Oklahomans would consider reprehensible and unworthy of public funding." Unless I'm mistaken that "... most Oklahomans ...' INCLUDES HIM AND "... most Oklahomas ..." DOES NOT INCLUDE Catholics.
His actions points out, to me, that he actually though implicitly already has put the RCC in that category of "... reprehensible and unworthy ..." AS A MATTER OF GUMMINT POLICY.
โI know I hurt people when I was young,โ he said. โI really messed up. But I know Ron DeSantis has done a lot worse. Heโs taken a lot from a lot of people. I speak for all the men, women and children; heโs put his foot on our necks.โ
Well, sure, you ๐ค๐ฐ๐ถ๐ญ๐ฅ go with that idea and force your religion on everyone else, like you've been trying unsuccessfully to do all your lives...
...or, and I'm just throwing this out there, because it doesn't seem to have occurred to y'all: maybe, just maybe, you could try a little harder to ๐ฏ๐ฐ๐ต be piss-marking theocratic douchecanoes... and, of particular concern for this modest little proposal, stop shoving LGBTQ people back into the closet with your stupid culture war.
Y'know, so that the closet will be ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ฑ๐ต๐บ.
Then, since there'll be ๐ด๐ฐ much room in that now-empty closet, you can walk into the closet yourselves, shut the door nice and tight, and pray ๐ต๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ณ๐ฆ, like your messiah commanded you to!
Good plan? Great plan.
Will Aramaic and/or Hebrew and Greek be added to the subjects teached in school ? After all they are the original christian languages.
โI will form this committee of religious leaders and community leaders"
I know it's a really silly suggestion, but how about including a few attorneys and constitutional scholars?
Good idea Ryan Walters
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BE3wTMrCAAA68Zn?format=jpg&name=small
In a way I hope this happens and the local TST get knuckle deep in that action. In another, better, way I hope it all crashes, but considering it's in OK, I'm not holding my breath.
Also, when did Hemant stop being at OnlySky? What's going on?
Whatโs corporate prayers? Iโm assuming from context they mean coerced teacher/administrator led compulsory prayers.
Do these people not know thereโs a first amendment to our constitution? Oh they know, it just keeps getting in the way of the second amendment when folks are in places like Kenosha. Doesnโt matter anyway, SCROTUS will let them get away with it because the teachers and administrators have a freedom of religion, but not the students.
This is more than simply separation of church and state, itโs forced speech. And yโall know what I think about forced speech.
Forced speech is not free speech.
I am thoroughly sick of people getting away with the sort of lies, manipulation, deception, and coercion I'm seeing here. This is a very obvious attempt to force the prayer issue yet again despite the fact it's been covered clearly several times both by the US court system and their precious bible.
NO public prayer. Jesus said so in clear terms, not that your cherry picking of your own holy work acknowledges it. He never even specified exceptions. Get out of schools, get out of hospitals, get out of the government, and stay out. Your prayers are getting in the way of actual work getting done.
Looks like it will be feasible to return to the year 1361 in Oklahomastan.
Donโt religious leaders have their own schools just for praying to god? Why do they need our public schools to do it?
I know, itโs because the youth are dropping religion, right wing Christianity especially, like itโs infested with ticks.
"So he told them he would form a committee to explore an issue thatโs already been settled for several decades."
That Supreme Court no longer exists, and the majority of the current Supreme Court has already proven that they don't give a damn about precedent. So by the time he and his theocratic friends get their unconstitutional policies installed, legally challenged, appealed and appealed again all the way up to the religious ideologues sitting on the highest bench, it could end up being made the law of the land. He probably figures he has very little to lose by trying.
OT- What's this- I come bearing... ๐จ๐ฐ๐ฐ๐ฅ news? ๐๐ฉ๐ข๐ต ๐ช๐ด ๐ต๐ฉ๐ช๐ด ๐ฎ๐ข๐ฅ๐ฏ๐ฆ๐ด๐ด?
https://apnews.com/article/district-of-columbia-washington-california-health-gender-c1c8a24a01c5d307bdc2e9037c1b0fd0
Amid the absolute shitstorm of anti-trans legislation being pitched and passed across the US-of-A, there are still a ๐ง๐ฆ๐ธ places where legislators are trying to move forwards instead of backwards. Bills introduced in Washington and California would allow trans people who've had their names legally changed to seal records of their deadnames, which would prevent future harassment by trolls, haters... and the occasional reich-wing State Attorney General or Governor. A couple of states already have similar laws on the books, so it's at least possible that a couple more could pass them too.
Wow. You'd swear that these guys had never heard of Engel v. Vitale or any of the foofaraw that has come down in the wake of that decision. You'd also wonder if they understand the liability of trying to FORCE prayer among kids, some parents of which might object to such force. And of course, this is in Oklahoma, whose only redeeming feature is that it's the home of Seth Andrews and The Thinking Atheist.
As with so many other similar stories, followup on this one I think is pretty necessary ... along with breaking out the popcorn and the beer. Could get interesting, I think!
Oklahoma. Ranked 42nd in Education. Walters is trying to make things worse.
The Sooner State is ranked 43rd as Best State to Live In, 48th in Health Care and 44th in Crime and Corrections. Seems to me they have more pressing issues to deal with than something that would be facing challenges by the FFRF and other groups and be stricken down as unconstitutional should it actually be enacted anyway.
Yes, but how many of them were also fundagelicals?
๐๐ ๐ฆ๐๐ฌ๐ฌ ๐ค๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ ๐ฌ ๐ฅ๐ข๐ง๐ค๐๐ ๐ญ๐จ ๐๐ฑ๐ญ๐ซ๐๐ฆ๐ข๐ฌ๐ฆ ๐ฌ๐ฉ๐ข๐ค๐๐ ๐จ๐ฏ๐๐ซ ๐ฅ๐๐ฌ๐ญ ๐๐๐๐๐๐
The report, provided to The Associated Press ahead of its public release Thursday, also found that all extremist killings identified in 2022 were linked to right-wing extremism, with an especially high number linked to white supremacy.
<snip>
With the waning of the Islamic State group, the main threat in the near future will likely be white supremacist shooters, the report found.
https://apnews.com/article/homicide-center-crime-38ea83109a8e97f263d7fc60367b39af
"... saying he opposes public funding for a private religious school counts as courage in the GOP.
B/S Flag on that one.
Did you research Oklahoma's religious demographics? The RCC makes up 8% of the total.
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/religious-landscape-study/state/oklahoma/
The IMMEDIATE effect of Drummond's announcement is to Kick the Catholics, whom the Fundagelical GOP base does not consider Real Christians. It IMMEDIATELY earns him credit with "... most Oklahomans ...".
You have NO WAY to be assured that when the question of a Fundagelical School puts its hand out he won't have weasel words to 'Expand and Amend' his original announcement.
It's not 'courage', it's mere POLITICAL EXPEDIENCY, as his qualification shows. He ADMITS there are 'unnamed religions' that "... most Oklahomans would consider reprehensible and unworthy of public funding." Unless I'm mistaken that "... most Oklahomans ...' INCLUDES HIM AND "... most Oklahomas ..." DOES NOT INCLUDE Catholics.
His actions points out, to me, that he actually though implicitly already has put the RCC in that category of "... reprehensible and unworthy ..." AS A MATTER OF GUMMINT POLICY.
OT - True last words
โI know I hurt people when I was young,โ he said. โI really messed up. But I know Ron DeSantis has done a lot worse. Heโs taken a lot from a lot of people. I speak for all the men, women and children; heโs put his foot on our necks.โ
๐ ๐ฅ๐จ๐ซ๐ข๐๐ ๐๐ฑ๐๐๐ฎ๐ญ๐๐ฌ ๐๐จ๐ง๐๐ฅ๐ ๐๐ข๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐๐๐ค ๐๐จ๐ซ ๐๐๐๐ ๐๐๐ฅ๐ฅ๐๐ก๐๐ฌ๐ฌ๐๐ ๐ฆ๐ฎ๐ซ๐๐๐ซ
https://www.tampabay.com/news/florida/2023/02/23/florida-execution-desantis-donald-dillbeck-appeal-death-row-lethal-injection/