Simple question for this asshole: “If teachers have a 1st Amendment right to display Bible verses in their classrooms, then do they also have a 1st Amendment right to display a rainbow “Love is Love” sign?”
"This type of letter substitutes demands for legal reasoning. The activist organization attempts to portray religion as a "divisive force in public schools", while creating the divisive atmosphere itself by attempting to bully a rural school district with an anonymous "complainant."
Kinda like emptying Florida classrooms and libraries of books substituted demands for legal reasoning?
If you want to see something move faster than light. Just put up a sign that says "Allahu Akbar" in the classroom. There will be a violation of cause and effect as it will be taken down even before it was put up.
The men who wrote the Constitution knew their European history, and wanted no repeat of the religious strife that had left the old world drenched in blood. They deliberately did not give religion any role in their new government, because they had people like Ryan Walters in mind. They did, however, protect the rights of people to practice their faith, but specifically banned religious tests for holding public office in their new republic. Walters apparently assumes if we break down the barriers between church and state it will be HIS tribe calling the shots, and that is a very foolish assumption. He should be imaging the tribe he hates most having control over his life, because that would definitely be someone's reality. The idea church-state separation is state sanctioned atheism is childishly absurd.
Well 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 guy sure wouldn't look out of place next to a hundred other guys with the same haircut, goose-stepping around with tiki torches, chanting "the Jews will not replace us!"
[He formed a faith committee to examine prayer in public schools; the committee, full of conservative Christian pastors, soon recommended putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom.]
Being surrounded by the Bible has hardly kept Christian pastors from preying on non-consenting men, women, and children, so I fail to see what good it would do for school kids.
The first amendment protects citizens from the government. The first amendment then must restrict government workers in their capacity of government workers. A public school teacher, in the classroom and using government space and supplies (even if they pay for the supplies themselves, which they should never be forced to do yet are constantly required to do since jerks like this refuse to fully fund the public schools) is a government worker and as such is restricted from establishing a religion in that classroom. The teacher in most other situations can be as religious as they wish (school functions and other public activities focused on education like educational conferences count as being government and therefore restricted). They are free to attend church, pray as loudly as they like, and tell anyone to follow Jesus. The classroom is not the place for it.
If your religious convictions are that weak that not mentioning every second of every day, equals promoting atheism, then you need to reflect on why that is. Nowhere does FFRF say teachers have to tell student there is no god, they’re not telling teachers how to worship or what to say, they’re just asking teachers to not bring it up in the classroom.
The memos are pure projection. FFRF is not bullying anyone, they protecting the students from bullying teachers and administrators. And if religion wasn’t divisive, as Walters is claiming, then why is it such a problem to be asked to stop?
And “He is still good” is vaguely spiritual?!? My ass it’s vague. And why would you have to keep reminding yourself that this deity is still good? Why would you question the goodness of god if he really was good all the time? Shitty things happening in your life and in the world that are attributed to god aren’t so good and you still try to pretend he is good. But back to the point, there is no other context for that phrase but Christianity.
There are so many forms of state sponsored atheism that it is difficult to keep track of these days. Just look at your driver's license. Not a single mention of Jesus. Not one. Atheism!!! Look at your social security number. Not one mention of the redeeming power of Christ. Just the other day I had to file a 1199-A4 to create a limited liability company to shield the profits I make from scamming old ladies from the IRS, and not once on that form did it mention the vengeful and awesome Yahweh. Atheism is all around us.
There it is again. The FFRF covers all 50 states + DC. Where was the hue and cry from cristers when that out-of-state group NOM was running from state to state trying to scuttle marriage equality before NOM finally faced its Waterloo in my state?
Someone needs to tell this twit Walters the difference between atheism and SECULARISM. Frankly, I'm not certain that there really is any such thing as an atheistic government. I WILL say that the government of the United States was meant to be SECULAR. By that, I mean that it was meant to be INDEPENDENT of ANY form of religion, and with that, put in a position of treating all people of all religions [edit: as well as those of NO religion] 𝗘𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗟𝗟𝗬.
Per usual, people like Walters either can't get that or don't want to get that. They want the privilege which theoretically goes with being what used to be the majority religion in the US. What he apparently is unaware of is that religious practice in the US is on the decline, whereas the nones – atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, and those who are unaffiliated with ANY religion – are increasing in number on a near-daily basis.
It may well take an FFRF lawsuit to get Walters to wake up and smell the coffee, and frankly, that doesn't bother me at all.
Andrew L. Seidel had it right back in 2019. Christian Nationalism is Un-American.
Anyone who embraces the concept of Christian Nationalism automatically dubs themselves traitors that spit on the US Constitution and the country's secular laws.
We've been seeing quite a lot of people like this lately, people who swear they follow their Jesus and want to defend Christians but mostly seem to be after the power to make everyone else bend to their will. I've seen this song and dance many times, and it never ends well so far as I can tell, someone always gets sc***ed over or there's a massive scandal. Quite frankly, it's past time to take out the garbage; this isn't doing anyone any good and it's getting in the way of things that might.
I admit I'm tired. I'm also heartsick over the situations in the Ukraine and Gaza. I'm probably going to go watch a video of kittens when I get done here. At this point, I sort of wish Mr. Walters would choke on his own vitriol and get it over with, because the world has bigger problems than his grandstanding for Jesus letters would have one believe. This is also quite a bit of the reason so many people aren't going to church anymore, too; it's starting to feel like we're all always at church with all the self-righteous preaching going on all the time.
Yeah. Off to kitten videos. Take care of yourselves out there.
Since when has teaching math, reading, writing, home economics, social studies, language classes and other topics needed to perform in today's society become a religious issue?
Simple question for this asshole: “If teachers have a 1st Amendment right to display Bible verses in their classrooms, then do they also have a 1st Amendment right to display a rainbow “Love is Love” sign?”
"This type of letter substitutes demands for legal reasoning. The activist organization attempts to portray religion as a "divisive force in public schools", while creating the divisive atmosphere itself by attempting to bully a rural school district with an anonymous "complainant."
Kinda like emptying Florida classrooms and libraries of books substituted demands for legal reasoning?
Project much?
If you want to see something move faster than light. Just put up a sign that says "Allahu Akbar" in the classroom. There will be a violation of cause and effect as it will be taken down even before it was put up.
The men who wrote the Constitution knew their European history, and wanted no repeat of the religious strife that had left the old world drenched in blood. They deliberately did not give religion any role in their new government, because they had people like Ryan Walters in mind. They did, however, protect the rights of people to practice their faith, but specifically banned religious tests for holding public office in their new republic. Walters apparently assumes if we break down the barriers between church and state it will be HIS tribe calling the shots, and that is a very foolish assumption. He should be imaging the tribe he hates most having control over his life, because that would definitely be someone's reality. The idea church-state separation is state sanctioned atheism is childishly absurd.
Well 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 guy sure wouldn't look out of place next to a hundred other guys with the same haircut, goose-stepping around with tiki torches, chanting "the Jews will not replace us!"
What 𝘪𝘴 it with Nazis and hair gel, anyways?
[He formed a faith committee to examine prayer in public schools; the committee, full of conservative Christian pastors, soon recommended putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom.]
Being surrounded by the Bible has hardly kept Christian pastors from preying on non-consenting men, women, and children, so I fail to see what good it would do for school kids.
Funny how xtian religinuts never object to state sponsorship of their faith through taxpayer $$$.
The first amendment protects citizens from the government. The first amendment then must restrict government workers in their capacity of government workers. A public school teacher, in the classroom and using government space and supplies (even if they pay for the supplies themselves, which they should never be forced to do yet are constantly required to do since jerks like this refuse to fully fund the public schools) is a government worker and as such is restricted from establishing a religion in that classroom. The teacher in most other situations can be as religious as they wish (school functions and other public activities focused on education like educational conferences count as being government and therefore restricted). They are free to attend church, pray as loudly as they like, and tell anyone to follow Jesus. The classroom is not the place for it.
If your religious convictions are that weak that not mentioning every second of every day, equals promoting atheism, then you need to reflect on why that is. Nowhere does FFRF say teachers have to tell student there is no god, they’re not telling teachers how to worship or what to say, they’re just asking teachers to not bring it up in the classroom.
The memos are pure projection. FFRF is not bullying anyone, they protecting the students from bullying teachers and administrators. And if religion wasn’t divisive, as Walters is claiming, then why is it such a problem to be asked to stop?
And “He is still good” is vaguely spiritual?!? My ass it’s vague. And why would you have to keep reminding yourself that this deity is still good? Why would you question the goodness of god if he really was good all the time? Shitty things happening in your life and in the world that are attributed to god aren’t so good and you still try to pretend he is good. But back to the point, there is no other context for that phrase but Christianity.
There are so many forms of state sponsored atheism that it is difficult to keep track of these days. Just look at your driver's license. Not a single mention of Jesus. Not one. Atheism!!! Look at your social security number. Not one mention of the redeeming power of Christ. Just the other day I had to file a 1199-A4 to create a limited liability company to shield the profits I make from scamming old ladies from the IRS, and not once on that form did it mention the vengeful and awesome Yahweh. Atheism is all around us.
"I got spam email on my work account from some guy named Ryan Walters. Sounded like a religious crazy."
I do believe 'religious crazy' is redundant.
Why is anyone to the left of neo-Nazis always branded a radical by these asshats?
"The out-of-state group..."
There it is again. The FFRF covers all 50 states + DC. Where was the hue and cry from cristers when that out-of-state group NOM was running from state to state trying to scuttle marriage equality before NOM finally faced its Waterloo in my state?
Someone needs to tell this twit Walters the difference between atheism and SECULARISM. Frankly, I'm not certain that there really is any such thing as an atheistic government. I WILL say that the government of the United States was meant to be SECULAR. By that, I mean that it was meant to be INDEPENDENT of ANY form of religion, and with that, put in a position of treating all people of all religions [edit: as well as those of NO religion] 𝗘𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗟𝗟𝗬.
Per usual, people like Walters either can't get that or don't want to get that. They want the privilege which theoretically goes with being what used to be the majority religion in the US. What he apparently is unaware of is that religious practice in the US is on the decline, whereas the nones – atheists, agnostics, freethinkers, and those who are unaffiliated with ANY religion – are increasing in number on a near-daily basis.
It may well take an FFRF lawsuit to get Walters to wake up and smell the coffee, and frankly, that doesn't bother me at all.
Andrew L. Seidel had it right back in 2019. Christian Nationalism is Un-American.
Anyone who embraces the concept of Christian Nationalism automatically dubs themselves traitors that spit on the US Constitution and the country's secular laws.
We've been seeing quite a lot of people like this lately, people who swear they follow their Jesus and want to defend Christians but mostly seem to be after the power to make everyone else bend to their will. I've seen this song and dance many times, and it never ends well so far as I can tell, someone always gets sc***ed over or there's a massive scandal. Quite frankly, it's past time to take out the garbage; this isn't doing anyone any good and it's getting in the way of things that might.
I admit I'm tired. I'm also heartsick over the situations in the Ukraine and Gaza. I'm probably going to go watch a video of kittens when I get done here. At this point, I sort of wish Mr. Walters would choke on his own vitriol and get it over with, because the world has bigger problems than his grandstanding for Jesus letters would have one believe. This is also quite a bit of the reason so many people aren't going to church anymore, too; it's starting to feel like we're all always at church with all the self-righteous preaching going on all the time.
Yeah. Off to kitten videos. Take care of yourselves out there.
Since when has teaching math, reading, writing, home economics, social studies, language classes and other topics needed to perform in today's society become a religious issue?