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John Smith's avatar

When there is a fire and people die, make sure the judge is charge with accessory to manslaughter and negligence along with the church. For this judge should bear some responsibility for any deaths should there be a fire!

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Mark Carpenter's avatar

The very simple solution would have been for the church to address the zoning code violations, and get the church up to code. This is not about "anti-Christian discrimination". If a building (church or not) has code violations, it's up to the organization housed in that building to make necessary repairs.

- Improper installation of laundry facilities can lead to indoor flooding (from a washing machine) or carbon monoxide poisoning (improperly vented dryer).

- Marking exit areas is an easy fix.

- An LP cylinder for a gas grill placed inside a building will produce carbon monoxide, which can kill.

- Plastic ducts should NEVER be used with a gas dryer: major fire hazard.

- Kitchens MUST be ventilated.

Fixing this stuff is easy, low-lying fruit.

I'm a progressive Christian, and I attend a progressive church which provides active assistance to the homeless: providing meals, a place for homeless people to stay during cold weather, laundry facilities; a nurse practitioner to address health problems; a clothing bank; bus passes; helping to get people necessary IDs so they can prove who they are and get other needed services. We're already in deep winter: we're in for the long haul until at least April.

We had our kitchen, our laundry facilities, and the room where the homeless sleep checked and inspected to make sure everything was in code. Where we had to make upgrades, we made upgrades. We applied for, and received a grant to help with the upgrades and to provide services until the weather warms.

Homeless people have a hard enough life: the last thing we want to do is to kill a dozen people because we're too lazy or too inept to keep our facilities up to code!

I don't see what the problem was with Dad's Place: they could simply have addressed the zoning violations and corrected the problems. They could have applied for a grant to fix things which needed to be brought up to code. Instead, Dad's Place selfishly made this a problem about them "being persecuted" - and a judge bought into it.

If people at Dad's Place die from carbon monoxide poisoning or a fire because Charles Avell didn't address code violations and make needed repairs, then both Avell and the judge who enabled Avell's behavior should be charged with (at minimum) reckless manslaughter or (at worst) second-degree murder.

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