When will they get it through their thick skulls that you cannot have freedom of religion without freedom from religion. Oh yeah, they don't really want that.
"The Christian Nationalists are in a minority. That minority, however, is very loud."
The fact that they're a minority should NOT give us comfort. Infectious microbes such as COVID, Ebola, Malaria, Tuberculosis, and a host of others are always a minority in your body. Even at the apex of their infection, measured by their numbers compared to the number of microbes in your gut or all the cells of your body, they're a tiny, miniscule fraction. By their weight, they're almost not measurable on the most sensitive scale.
BUT when those minorities have done enough damage to your vital organs, you die.
Minority political movements have destroyed countries.
I find it interesting that this issue should come up EXACTLY at the time when Christian numbers in the United States are in decline and those who are either indifferent, unaffiliated, or flat-out disbelievers are on the rise. At some level or other, those Christians who are so determined to have the US declared a Christian nation KNOW that their numbers are on the skid, and they don't like it. Their current push for such a pronouncement is reflective of the fear that they are losing control, that possibly at one point or another, calling oneself a Christian will not generate the traction and privilege it once did. Nota bene: evidence of the participation of Christian Nationalists was all over the January 6th insurrection.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Christian nationalism and the movement to have the United States sealed as a Christian nation needs to be confronted head on ... and it needs to be STOPPED.
I see Jimmy Carter has entered hospice care. Apparently according to many not a great president, but he always seemed to me to be a decent human being, particularly for a Christian.
America didn't exist at the time of the oral tales that make up teh bibel. Those who concocted those tales were primitive, fearful, superstitious nomads who lived in a tiny region of the planet and didn't know where the Sun went at night.
Taking a then-nonexistent country back for a figment of the imagination who had no idea of what the world truly looked like is a ludicrous concept fit only for those in thrall of superstitious twaddle.
People who think Christian Nationalism is good have completely different definitions of pretty much every word in the English dictionary than everyone else, but particularly the words: patriotism, nationalism, Christian, justice, freedom, love, family, rights, and citizen. They like it that way because “racism is so ingrained in American culture, that people think of you protest racism you are protesting America.” And that is not too far from the truth.
I think, regarding the survey, we need to work on teaching civics better (of course, this is part of the right wing takeover, defunding public education and undermining the standards, so we are fighting an intentional effort to keep people ignorant of the basics of our country’s government) as The. Very. First. Amendment. Of our constitution states we cannot be a Christian nation. We can be a nation with a majority of Christians, but the government cannot make an official national religion. This should be common knowledge of anyone living in the country, but for some reason it is not. It certainly isn’t as known as the ideas in the second amendment. Or what the Kardashians have for dinner.
What is a “true patriot” anyway? It is certainly not someone who wants to murder his neighbor to keep that neighbor from having freedom.
What's so painfully obvious about this delusional belief is that if "God"--Jesus himself, or his father Yahweh-- is so omnipotent and omniscient, then all humans would already be Christian, and there would already be a theocracy, in which case the USA would be a paltry third world country like every other theocracy. For that matter, there would be no need to have 168 separate nations on the planet. Christianity is no longer a belief: it's a full blown delusion.
NO religion gets to decide or declare what is and isn't true. NO religion gets to decide or declare what is and isn't moral. This is very a very simple and undeniable FACT. It's also the law in the US because of the 1st Amendment establishment clause. These whackos need to be reminded of this EVERY time they try to push their hateful, ignorant, bigoted BS on the rest of us. What their religion tells them is of absolutely zero value, has ZERO meaning for anyone not of their particular faith, no more than the commands of Zeus or the mud god from some tribe dead thousands of years. It would help to also remind them there are thousands of different christian sects in this country, so which one gets to choose?
The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life. —Guess Who, Berlin, 1933, first radio address after coming to power.
This is exactly why the (mostly) Deist founders disliked and distrusted Christians and why they didn't want religion of any kind to have a seat at the table of governance.
Jesus' statement that his kingdom was not of this world would seem to put the kibosh on any idea of a "Christian America" but it wouldn't be the first time we believers have disregarded something he said.
Even if this country were founded on Christian values and teachings (it wasn't), that wouldn't be a very good argument for establishing a state religion, nor for operating a modern country based on those same values and teachings. I rather think that the many abuses of religious groups in this country alone would provide arguments aplenty 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵 theocracy, not for it... and if we then weigh the balance of human history, it's perfectly clear that those governments functioned best which were influenced by religion the least.
The whims of deities and their eternal thirst for worship- even if they ever did exist- are entirely incompatible with secular government, whose goals must be the security and welfare of mortal beings in the here and now.
When will they get it through their thick skulls that you cannot have freedom of religion without freedom from religion. Oh yeah, they don't really want that.
"The Christian Nationalists are in a minority. That minority, however, is very loud."
The fact that they're a minority should NOT give us comfort. Infectious microbes such as COVID, Ebola, Malaria, Tuberculosis, and a host of others are always a minority in your body. Even at the apex of their infection, measured by their numbers compared to the number of microbes in your gut or all the cells of your body, they're a tiny, miniscule fraction. By their weight, they're almost not measurable on the most sensitive scale.
BUT when those minorities have done enough damage to your vital organs, you die.
Minority political movements have destroyed countries.
I find it interesting that this issue should come up EXACTLY at the time when Christian numbers in the United States are in decline and those who are either indifferent, unaffiliated, or flat-out disbelievers are on the rise. At some level or other, those Christians who are so determined to have the US declared a Christian nation KNOW that their numbers are on the skid, and they don't like it. Their current push for such a pronouncement is reflective of the fear that they are losing control, that possibly at one point or another, calling oneself a Christian will not generate the traction and privilege it once did. Nota bene: evidence of the participation of Christian Nationalists was all over the January 6th insurrection.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Christian nationalism and the movement to have the United States sealed as a Christian nation needs to be confronted head on ... and it needs to be STOPPED.
I see Jimmy Carter has entered hospice care. Apparently according to many not a great president, but he always seemed to me to be a decent human being, particularly for a Christian.
"Taking America Back For God?"
America didn't exist at the time of the oral tales that make up teh bibel. Those who concocted those tales were primitive, fearful, superstitious nomads who lived in a tiny region of the planet and didn't know where the Sun went at night.
Taking a then-nonexistent country back for a figment of the imagination who had no idea of what the world truly looked like is a ludicrous concept fit only for those in thrall of superstitious twaddle.
People who think Christian Nationalism is good have completely different definitions of pretty much every word in the English dictionary than everyone else, but particularly the words: patriotism, nationalism, Christian, justice, freedom, love, family, rights, and citizen. They like it that way because “racism is so ingrained in American culture, that people think of you protest racism you are protesting America.” And that is not too far from the truth.
I think, regarding the survey, we need to work on teaching civics better (of course, this is part of the right wing takeover, defunding public education and undermining the standards, so we are fighting an intentional effort to keep people ignorant of the basics of our country’s government) as The. Very. First. Amendment. Of our constitution states we cannot be a Christian nation. We can be a nation with a majority of Christians, but the government cannot make an official national religion. This should be common knowledge of anyone living in the country, but for some reason it is not. It certainly isn’t as known as the ideas in the second amendment. Or what the Kardashians have for dinner.
What is a “true patriot” anyway? It is certainly not someone who wants to murder his neighbor to keep that neighbor from having freedom.
Why do Republican hate America?
They've certainly shown nothing but contempt for the Constitution and our secular government. So the question remains: Why do they hate America?
OT - Baby donny is truly deranged
𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐦𝐩 𝐏𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐬 𝐭𝐨 𝐁𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐁𝐚𝐜𝐤 𝐅𝐢𝐫𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐒𝐪𝐮𝐚𝐝𝐬, 𝐆𝐫𝐨𝐮𝐩 𝐄𝐱𝐞𝐜𝐮𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐬 𝐢𝐟 𝐇𝐞 𝐑𝐞𝐭𝐚𝐤𝐞𝐬 𝐖𝐡𝐢𝐭𝐞 𝐇𝐨𝐮𝐬𝐞
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-death-penalty-firing-squad-executions-1234679447/
What's so painfully obvious about this delusional belief is that if "God"--Jesus himself, or his father Yahweh-- is so omnipotent and omniscient, then all humans would already be Christian, and there would already be a theocracy, in which case the USA would be a paltry third world country like every other theocracy. For that matter, there would be no need to have 168 separate nations on the planet. Christianity is no longer a belief: it's a full blown delusion.
NO religion gets to decide or declare what is and isn't true. NO religion gets to decide or declare what is and isn't moral. This is very a very simple and undeniable FACT. It's also the law in the US because of the 1st Amendment establishment clause. These whackos need to be reminded of this EVERY time they try to push their hateful, ignorant, bigoted BS on the rest of us. What their religion tells them is of absolutely zero value, has ZERO meaning for anyone not of their particular faith, no more than the commands of Zeus or the mud god from some tribe dead thousands of years. It would help to also remind them there are thousands of different christian sects in this country, so which one gets to choose?
The National Government will regard it as its first and foremost duty to revive in the nation the spirit of unity and cooperation. It will preserve and defend those basic principles on which our nation has been built. It regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life. —Guess Who, Berlin, 1933, first radio address after coming to power.
This is exactly why the (mostly) Deist founders disliked and distrusted Christians and why they didn't want religion of any kind to have a seat at the table of governance.
Jesus' statement that his kingdom was not of this world would seem to put the kibosh on any idea of a "Christian America" but it wouldn't be the first time we believers have disregarded something he said.
Even if this country were founded on Christian values and teachings (it wasn't), that wouldn't be a very good argument for establishing a state religion, nor for operating a modern country based on those same values and teachings. I rather think that the many abuses of religious groups in this country alone would provide arguments aplenty 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵 theocracy, not for it... and if we then weigh the balance of human history, it's perfectly clear that those governments functioned best which were influenced by religion the least.
The whims of deities and their eternal thirst for worship- even if they ever did exist- are entirely incompatible with secular government, whose goals must be the security and welfare of mortal beings in the here and now.
OT -
𝐀 𝐏𝐚𝐬𝐜𝐨 𝐟𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲’𝐬 𝐬𝐰𝐢𝐦𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐩𝐨𝐨𝐥 𝐢𝐬 𝐬𝐡𝐚𝐩𝐞𝐝 𝐥𝐢𝐤𝐞 𝐚 𝐬𝐢𝐱-𝐬𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐭𝐞𝐫
https://wusfnews.wusf.usf.edu/local-state/2023-02-17/only-in-florida-pasco-family-swimming-pool-shaped-like-six-shooter
O/T: Another shooting incident - in Australia this time, with an extremist Christian cult - and US roots
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/18/2153431/-Another-shooting-incident-in-Australia-this-time-with-an-extremist-Christian-cult-and-US-roots?utm_campaign=trending