This is supposed to be a "scientific fact," eh, Glenn? If so, I have a simple question for you:
𝗪𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗜𝗦 𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 𝗘𝗩𝗜𝗗𝗘𝗡𝗖𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦 𝗣𝗨𝗧𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗩𝗘 “𝗚𝗢𝗗???”
Further, I want you to show precisely HOW this deity of yours is directly responsible for the creation of bacteria and viruses which are the demonstrable origin of many of the sicknesses and diseases and subsequent pain, suffering, and sometimes death that living beings, both human and others, are subjected to. You seem to have lost sight of the fact that science deals with demonstrable phenomena, which it studies, experiments on, analyzes, and hypothesizes explanations to further advance our understanding of this reality.
Your god is NOT demonstrable, not in any real, objective sense, and until it is, I see no reason to attempt to incorporate your pet deity in any serious discussion regarding science, research, or any investigation into the physical laws which give no sign of having any relation to any form of god.
Nah. Sounds like mere constituent fodder/optics to me. A Republican legislatie priority would be treated a lot differently by the rest of the Republicans in the State Senate.
Off-topic but related, that Montana "teach science facts not theories" bill died in committee, with the vote being 11-0 to table it. Though the sponsor whined about it, so he was probably sincere.
Well that bill is certainly contradictory, you can’t have scientific facts confirming God’s wrath on individuals. There’s no scientific anything that comes close to living up to the very idea of scientific fact of disease being a consequence imposed by god or creator.
Disease is a consequence of simply living on earth with the variety of life that resides on it, people, viruses, germs, plants, animals and so forth. If all disease was caused by being punished for sinning, why did Mother Theresa (the ghoul) get ill despite being a saint? Why would a newborn baby deserve whooping cough? My cat be punished with a sinus infection? It doesn’t even make sense within the claim.
I wish people would just once look beyond the R at the end of a politician’s name and see them for the fucking corrupt morons they are.
"...exploring the contrast between the scientific facts on how...
...lightning is caused by strong electric charges moving between clouds and the ground, and how lightning bolts are spears thrown by God."
...the sun and stars are large spheroids of hydrogen and helium creating heat and radiation through nuclear fusion in their cores, and how they are lanterns hung by God on crystal spheres surrounding the Earth."
...nature is governed by observable and testable laws of physics, and how everything is done by God's magic."
__________
The Constitution is the only thing protecting us from living in a nightmare theocratic lunatic asylum.
Creator? I have TWO creators. I called them mom and dad.
Creator, Googy? You do know that there is more than just your own creation myth, right? No? Let me enlighten you on just how many different creation myths there are:
All are no more or less valid then your own. What's that, you say? Yours is the only correct one? Sorry, that's "special pleading," a logical fallacy. Fail.
" … and how sickness, disease, pain, suffering, and death are a consequence imposed by the Creator of complex living organisms."
If that is a scientific fact, then it follows that it must also be a demonstrable fact that "the Creator" is a willful, arbitrary, vicious monster, nothing like the "loving God" the christers promote. I can't honestly say I regard it as a scientific fact that "God" is vicious; that would be skipping several crucial steps (i.e. the scientific and factual bits). But it is certainly a fact that the god portrayed in the bible is a capricious fiend.
"Importance of Morality and Religion in Government."
Ummmm, no. The founders made it very clear that our secular government was to remain strictly neutral on the matter of religion. And as far as morality goes? We've seen just how very amoral religion is, time and time and time again.
Keep your religion confined to the walls of your homes and places of worship.
Weeellll, I could have a FIELD DAY on that course description, and I don't think he'd like it.
"Plagues and Peoples" as a timeline, along with some desultory "Religion for Idiots" texts, would be a great core AFTER an opening, grab their attention, case study of how the Russo-Japanese War was one of the first where deaths from fighting exceeded deaths from disease. Gotta keep the boys interested with some gore.
Then, onto the series "Microbes and Men", with updates to modern sensibilities; prolly pretty cheap to get a license because of the age.
The bill, itself, somewhat specifically but assuredly implicitly, says 'Compare and contrast' the documented, demonstrable Science with assertions about Invisible Sky Daddies. In my opinion, the meaningless, anecdotal, personal-opinion-based assertions.
It all turns into a tacit "WhereTF IS your God?!" class.
...and if he actually succeeded in getting that pants-on-head stupidity passed into law, I'm 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 that 𝘯𝘰𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 would 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 try to use that law as a basis for eliminating things like paid sick leave (or any sick leave at all), sick days for schoolchildren, medicaid, and all manner of other health-related benefits, on the grounds that if you're sick, then you must've made the Goddything angry, so you deserve to be miserable and get back to work, you freeloader. Right? 𝘙𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵?
MN lawmaker: Schools must say sickness is a "consequence imposed by the Creator"
… 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘪𝘤𝘬𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴, 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦, 𝘱𝘢𝘪𝘯, 𝘴𝘶𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘦𝘲𝘶𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘊𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘰𝘳 𝘰𝘧 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘹 𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘳𝘨𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘴𝘮𝘴.
This is supposed to be a "scientific fact," eh, Glenn? If so, I have a simple question for you:
𝗪𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘 𝗜𝗦 𝗬𝗢𝗨𝗥 𝗘𝗩𝗜𝗗𝗘𝗡𝗖𝗘 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦 𝗣𝗨𝗧𝗔𝗧𝗜𝗩𝗘 “𝗚𝗢𝗗???”
Further, I want you to show precisely HOW this deity of yours is directly responsible for the creation of bacteria and viruses which are the demonstrable origin of many of the sicknesses and diseases and subsequent pain, suffering, and sometimes death that living beings, both human and others, are subjected to. You seem to have lost sight of the fact that science deals with demonstrable phenomena, which it studies, experiments on, analyzes, and hypothesizes explanations to further advance our understanding of this reality.
Your god is NOT demonstrable, not in any real, objective sense, and until it is, I see no reason to attempt to incorporate your pet deity in any serious discussion regarding science, research, or any investigation into the physical laws which give no sign of having any relation to any form of god.
Put up or shut up.
Hey everyone, gruenhagen just admitted that his god is a sadistic asshole 😉
...𝑖𝑡 𝑐𝑒𝑟𝑡𝑎𝑖𝑛𝑙𝑦 𝑖𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑠 𝑅𝑒𝑝𝑢𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑖𝑒𝑠.
Nah. Sounds like mere constituent fodder/optics to me. A Republican legislatie priority would be treated a lot differently by the rest of the Republicans in the State Senate.
Off-topic but related, that Montana "teach science facts not theories" bill died in committee, with the vote being 11-0 to table it. Though the sponsor whined about it, so he was probably sincere.
Well that bill is certainly contradictory, you can’t have scientific facts confirming God’s wrath on individuals. There’s no scientific anything that comes close to living up to the very idea of scientific fact of disease being a consequence imposed by god or creator.
Disease is a consequence of simply living on earth with the variety of life that resides on it, people, viruses, germs, plants, animals and so forth. If all disease was caused by being punished for sinning, why did Mother Theresa (the ghoul) get ill despite being a saint? Why would a newborn baby deserve whooping cough? My cat be punished with a sinus infection? It doesn’t even make sense within the claim.
I wish people would just once look beyond the R at the end of a politician’s name and see them for the fucking corrupt morons they are.
Where this idiocy would go:
"...exploring the contrast between the scientific facts on how...
...lightning is caused by strong electric charges moving between clouds and the ground, and how lightning bolts are spears thrown by God."
...the sun and stars are large spheroids of hydrogen and helium creating heat and radiation through nuclear fusion in their cores, and how they are lanterns hung by God on crystal spheres surrounding the Earth."
...nature is governed by observable and testable laws of physics, and how everything is done by God's magic."
__________
The Constitution is the only thing protecting us from living in a nightmare theocratic lunatic asylum.
Creator? I have TWO creators. I called them mom and dad.
Creator, Googy? You do know that there is more than just your own creation myth, right? No? Let me enlighten you on just how many different creation myths there are:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation_myths
All are no more or less valid then your own. What's that, you say? Yours is the only correct one? Sorry, that's "special pleading," a logical fallacy. Fail.
" … and how sickness, disease, pain, suffering, and death are a consequence imposed by the Creator of complex living organisms."
If that is a scientific fact, then it follows that it must also be a demonstrable fact that "the Creator" is a willful, arbitrary, vicious monster, nothing like the "loving God" the christers promote. I can't honestly say I regard it as a scientific fact that "God" is vicious; that would be skipping several crucial steps (i.e. the scientific and factual bits). But it is certainly a fact that the god portrayed in the bible is a capricious fiend.
Anyone else suspect he meant HIV, but thought that was too "on-the-nose" to try to pass this off as a critical thinking bill?
Or is he just a disciple of "Mother" Teresa?
"Importance of Morality and Religion in Government."
Ummmm, no. The founders made it very clear that our secular government was to remain strictly neutral on the matter of religion. And as far as morality goes? We've seen just how very amoral religion is, time and time and time again.
Keep your religion confined to the walls of your homes and places of worship.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/131232122/former-scoutmaster-jailed-three-years-seven-months-for-indecencies-with-boys
It just goes on and on don't it.😖
Scientific fact vs god. Not a fair fight. Gods have never won.
Weeellll, I could have a FIELD DAY on that course description, and I don't think he'd like it.
"Plagues and Peoples" as a timeline, along with some desultory "Religion for Idiots" texts, would be a great core AFTER an opening, grab their attention, case study of how the Russo-Japanese War was one of the first where deaths from fighting exceeded deaths from disease. Gotta keep the boys interested with some gore.
Then, onto the series "Microbes and Men", with updates to modern sensibilities; prolly pretty cheap to get a license because of the age.
The bill, itself, somewhat specifically but assuredly implicitly, says 'Compare and contrast' the documented, demonstrable Science with assertions about Invisible Sky Daddies. In my opinion, the meaningless, anecdotal, personal-opinion-based assertions.
It all turns into a tacit "WhereTF IS your God?!" class.
Just another standard, useless Republican legislation that denies reality. "He Gets Us?"
...and if he actually succeeded in getting that pants-on-head stupidity passed into law, I'm 𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 that 𝘯𝘰𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘺 would 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 try to use that law as a basis for eliminating things like paid sick leave (or any sick leave at all), sick days for schoolchildren, medicaid, and all manner of other health-related benefits, on the grounds that if you're sick, then you must've made the Goddything angry, so you deserve to be miserable and get back to work, you freeloader. Right? 𝘙𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/charlottesville-tiki-torcher-teddy-joseph-von-nukem-killed-himself-before-trial
Can't help thinking the world is a slightly better place.
Projection. It is religion that is a sickness, a plague upon humanity.