Well shucks, I just know Our Risen Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ Almighty, the God of Love and the Prince of Peace, will be pleased as punch to hear about this, just as soon as he slithers out of his tomb on Sunday morning.
It's fairly incredible that with all the mountains (Everests!) of evidence that have accumulated, there has still been no action taken against the Catholic Church nationally or internationally. Why have there been no RICO charges, or at least a thorough racketeering investigation, against the US Conference of Catholic Bishops? Why hasn't the UN Commission on Human Rights done an investigation? Or the International Criminal Court? But no, no, no, Holy Mother Church is just kept free to bop along its merry way, raping children and destroying their lives, then folding its hands and pretending to be all pious and holy and blessed and like that. And all the fuckwits in the pews just keep nodding and smiling and supporting it no matter how horrific its behavior. If anyone's aware of a more repugnant institution, please keep it to yourself, because I really don't want to know about it.
The systemic sexual abuse of children has been the church's dirty little secret for centuries. It only changed when law enforcement and the press began taking the victims seriously. Otherwise, the church circled the wagons and protected the priests, leaving the victims to fend for themselves.
The RCC, (Rape and Coverup Corporation) should be registered in its entirety as a sex offender.
Please explain again to me how belief in God is the only way for a person to have morality? Please explain again to me how parishioners giving money to an organization that repeatedly proves that it is utterly debased, corrupt, criminal, and rotten to the core are somehow NOT participating in the evil?
We have documented 1000 years – that's the one followed by three zeros — of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. It's in Saint peter Damien, chaucer, and Boccaccio. I have seen evidence, which unfortunately I did not retain, that goes back another six or 700 years before that.
The only man in a dress the children need fear is the one wearing a cassock.
Once again, we have priests sexually abusing minor children, the superiors of those priests shuffling them around to avoid prosecution, and civil authorities reluctant to press charges, at least up until now with this announcement by AG Anthony Brown.
My question here is simplicity itself: WHAT WILL COME OF THIS? Can we expect a further investigation of the dioceses involved, search warrants issued and executed on church property, interrogations of church officials under perhaps less than convivial circumstances, and most of all, WILL THERE BE CHARGES FILED?
I am sick and tired of hearing headlines like this and NOTHING COMING OF THEM. I want Catholic bishop and archbishop and cardinal asses brought before the bar of Maryland justice, I want to see them tried, convicted, and imprisoned. I want the message sent to Vatican City that the kid gloves have come OFF, that the light at the end of the tunnel IS in fact an oncoming train, and that they are indeed in very deep trouble.
I want the Church to be afraid ... in the same manner that they have made those who they have assaulted afraid.
What do I think? I think there are a whole lot of men in dresses out there, who are NOT drag queens (!), who need to hear the following words in whatever their native language is:
You are UNDER ARREST. You have the right to remain silent. If you give up the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law...
There's a great cartoon about this, which I have in a folder but can't find it online. But it has a bishop saying to a priest "okay you only molested one child in the past – I think we can forget that." With a child standing beside them thinking "I can't". Call me cynical, but I can't see a hell of a lot happening. Even if they go to trial.
Is there any other organization which has done as much harm, to as many people, over so many centuries as the Roman Catholic Church has? I struggle to think of one. That even after all this time they still haven't exhausted their appetite for monstrosity, and that they continue to deliberately elevate the worst of the worst to positions of great power over the innocent and vulnerable is, in its own horrific way, more than a little bit amazing.
Other Christian sects may be, other Abraham at religions, other religions. Just that many of them haven't been around nearly as long as the Catholic Church. I'd say give them time, but they seem to be dwindling thank goodness.
Well, it's a good start. Hopefully. What would be nice is to see it made illegal for diocese to declare bankruptcy and make the mother church foot the bill. Without hitting them in their main wallet there isn't going to be serious change.
That ANY Catholic parishioner still gives their money to these monsters simply makes them enablers of abuse.
Bet we STILL won't see a mass exodus from the walls of Unholy Mother Church even after this report. The pious seem to have an unending need to be lied to.
It reminds me of my partner. She is essentially atheist, raised in the RCC. She enjoys most of the anti-theism memes that she, I, and my best friend (also atheist, raised RCC) put in our group chat. But she still gets uneasy over RCC stuff, and the closer it hits to pedophelia, the less funny she thinks the memes are. She is a moral, genuine person with no deity belief, but the hooks go very deep in that morass.
Honestly, I haven't seen anything in the story, despite the general assumption, that says Mary was underage. I have found "evidence" in the story that she didn't consent. You can't consent if you're not asked.
According to Christian scholars, Jewish girls of Mary's age at that time in history were engaged as young as 12. Those same scholars also believe that she would've been anywhere between 12 and 16 when she gave birth to you-know-who.
She was also a virgin, which at that time meant "very young and unmarried."
That makes it educated speculation, but it's not sufficient to throw it in a believer's face. Maybe something out of the non-canonical gospels could be said to be "evidence" (in the context of the story), but "*most* virgins in that day and age were barely past menarche" allows plausible deniability.
No matter what you throw in believers faces, you'll never get through. They've insulated themselves against anything and everything that messes with their narrative.
Trying to satiate a Christian with anything that doesn't play along with their delusions is a futile effort.
They are indoctrinated so young that too many are unable to escape the compartmentalization needed to stay blind to the problem. "It"s not MY priest on that list, so the Church is ok."
Kristian Kool-Aid produces irreversible brain damage in the form of delusions of grandeur and inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Like LSD without all the colors.
Bankrupting these dioceses doesn’t stop the problem. It’s nice to see them suffer, but it only keeps the victims from any sort of compensation and the church still goes on. The folks in charge continue their shuck and jive and the Vatican is untarnished.
The bankruptcy court should be allowed to refuse the protection and force the church to pay its debts to the victims. If regular folks must pay their student loans even after filing bankruptcy, the richest fucking church in the world should have to cough up for its crimes.
Even more so, shut the whole fucking thing down. Close them all, throw everyone involved in prison, if they didn’t do it, they aided and abetted it. Require them to act like adult entertainment venues and make it illegal for minors to enter even with parental consent. The RCC does more damage to children than strip clubs, casinos and bars combined.
Ah'm bahk! Five hours driving looking mostly at grass and trees. Cows and sheep with the occasional horse for a change. Just wondering what happened to that attorney general election everyone was talking about the other day – did she win? I've forgotten all about it in the delirium of being a tourist. 😎
Protascewicz won, and we dodged most of the fascist bullets in my village and the one that did strike has already been on the board for a while so no major damage.
Hopefully, the Wisconsin Legislature sees the light and realizes impeaching a duly elected Justice immediately after the election is career suicide and they stop their attempt. But I’m still a bit cynical. It’s not over even though it ought to be. She won by an eleven point lead, which is a landslide under the circumstances, the people have spoken. But the GOP can’t have nice things.
She won by eleven points. Huge victory. Still our gerrymandered and corrupt legislature is throwing a tantrum over it.
We have elected the democratic candidate in pretty much all our statewide races, and many of the local races , but the district races are all GOP held. Which seems wrong somehow. (/s)
I question the phrase, "If you’re a Baltimore native who still attends or supports the Catholic Church with your time or money,...". Why only "If you’re a Baltimore native"? This is not just occurring in Baltimore. Shouldn't it read, "If you still attend or supports the Catholic Church with your time or money,...".
"Treatment Center", if they've found an effective treatment for pedophilia/ephebophilia, they should really share it with the mental health profession, because despite its scientific research into the problem it hasn't found an even moderately effective treatment.
One of the big Catholic treatment centers used to be in Maryland (probably still is). It was described in the PA report a few ears ago and a country club for horny pedophiles. A lot of the support staff assigned to the center consisted of young seminarians. Like using the Gallo winery as a treatment center for alcoholics.
Coincidentally the Catholic bishop who oversees the Maryland diocese released his own report today. It's much more succinct: "Nothing to see here. Move along."
Well shucks, I just know Our Risen Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ Almighty, the God of Love and the Prince of Peace, will be pleased as punch to hear about this, just as soon as he slithers out of his tomb on Sunday morning.
It's fairly incredible that with all the mountains (Everests!) of evidence that have accumulated, there has still been no action taken against the Catholic Church nationally or internationally. Why have there been no RICO charges, or at least a thorough racketeering investigation, against the US Conference of Catholic Bishops? Why hasn't the UN Commission on Human Rights done an investigation? Or the International Criminal Court? But no, no, no, Holy Mother Church is just kept free to bop along its merry way, raping children and destroying their lives, then folding its hands and pretending to be all pious and holy and blessed and like that. And all the fuckwits in the pews just keep nodding and smiling and supporting it no matter how horrific its behavior. If anyone's aware of a more repugnant institution, please keep it to yourself, because I really don't want to know about it.
At this point, I think it's safe to say that any god who allows this to go on in his special institution is irredeemably evil.
The systemic sexual abuse of children has been the church's dirty little secret for centuries. It only changed when law enforcement and the press began taking the victims seriously. Otherwise, the church circled the wagons and protected the priests, leaving the victims to fend for themselves.
Umm, just "centuries"? I somehow understood it was longer than that--late 2nd/early 3rd century CE.
The RCC, (Rape and Coverup Corporation) should be registered in its entirety as a sex offender.
Please explain again to me how belief in God is the only way for a person to have morality? Please explain again to me how parishioners giving money to an organization that repeatedly proves that it is utterly debased, corrupt, criminal, and rotten to the core are somehow NOT participating in the evil?
156 since the 1940s? Why do I get the feeling that number is too low?
Because, unlike most Catholics, you're at least minimally conscious?
We have documented 1000 years – that's the one followed by three zeros — of sexual abuse in the Catholic Church. It's in Saint peter Damien, chaucer, and Boccaccio. I have seen evidence, which unfortunately I did not retain, that goes back another six or 700 years before that.
The only man in a dress the children need fear is the one wearing a cassock.
Yup. The RCC sexually abused both adults and children in the 3rd and 4th Centuries when they were accountable to no one on the planet.
Once again, we have priests sexually abusing minor children, the superiors of those priests shuffling them around to avoid prosecution, and civil authorities reluctant to press charges, at least up until now with this announcement by AG Anthony Brown.
My question here is simplicity itself: WHAT WILL COME OF THIS? Can we expect a further investigation of the dioceses involved, search warrants issued and executed on church property, interrogations of church officials under perhaps less than convivial circumstances, and most of all, WILL THERE BE CHARGES FILED?
I am sick and tired of hearing headlines like this and NOTHING COMING OF THEM. I want Catholic bishop and archbishop and cardinal asses brought before the bar of Maryland justice, I want to see them tried, convicted, and imprisoned. I want the message sent to Vatican City that the kid gloves have come OFF, that the light at the end of the tunnel IS in fact an oncoming train, and that they are indeed in very deep trouble.
I want the Church to be afraid ... in the same manner that they have made those who they have assaulted afraid.
barbarin France, pell Australia. What do you think ?
What do I think? I think there are a whole lot of men in dresses out there, who are NOT drag queens (!), who need to hear the following words in whatever their native language is:
You are UNDER ARREST. You have the right to remain silent. If you give up the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of law...
There's a great cartoon about this, which I have in a folder but can't find it online. But it has a bishop saying to a priest "okay you only molested one child in the past – I think we can forget that." With a child standing beside them thinking "I can't". Call me cynical, but I can't see a hell of a lot happening. Even if they go to trial.
Is there any other organization which has done as much harm, to as many people, over so many centuries as the Roman Catholic Church has? I struggle to think of one. That even after all this time they still haven't exhausted their appetite for monstrosity, and that they continue to deliberately elevate the worst of the worst to positions of great power over the innocent and vulnerable is, in its own horrific way, more than a little bit amazing.
Other Christian sects may be, other Abraham at religions, other religions. Just that many of them haven't been around nearly as long as the Catholic Church. I'd say give them time, but they seem to be dwindling thank goodness.
Well, it's a good start. Hopefully. What would be nice is to see it made illegal for diocese to declare bankruptcy and make the mother church foot the bill. Without hitting them in their main wallet there isn't going to be serious change.
Like any other corporation the RCC is structured to protect its officers and board from liability.
The "poverty" vow was a genius stroke.
That ANY Catholic parishioner still gives their money to these monsters simply makes them enablers of abuse.
Bet we STILL won't see a mass exodus from the walls of Unholy Mother Church even after this report. The pious seem to have an unending need to be lied to.
It reminds me of my partner. She is essentially atheist, raised in the RCC. She enjoys most of the anti-theism memes that she, I, and my best friend (also atheist, raised RCC) put in our group chat. But she still gets uneasy over RCC stuff, and the closer it hits to pedophelia, the less funny she thinks the memes are. She is a moral, genuine person with no deity belief, but the hooks go very deep in that morass.
For your partner (and anyone else affected like that):
https://www.religioustraumainstitute.com/
I came up pentecostal. I may check this group out myself--although it is mostly gone, rapture fear is still a thing. I get where they are coming from.
I grew up Mainline Protestant, and though most things religious have been excised, I sometimes think "Bless them Lord" when an ambulance passes by.
My mother-in-law used to say: "You can't deny your raising." You can just try to get over it!
Thank you!
They do indeed. The whole "Catholic Guilt" thing is very real.
Breaking the chains is a huge breath of freedom.
A sticky religion as Dara O Briain said.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdolFXcNAH4&t=4s
Sitting back and smiling as children are raped is the only sure way into heaven. Didn't you know?
After all, Big Daddy in the sky got him a little something named Mary when he ravished her in the form of a halo-wearing pigeon.
Honestly, I haven't seen anything in the story, despite the general assumption, that says Mary was underage. I have found "evidence" in the story that she didn't consent. You can't consent if you're not asked.
According to Christian scholars, Jewish girls of Mary's age at that time in history were engaged as young as 12. Those same scholars also believe that she would've been anywhere between 12 and 16 when she gave birth to you-know-who.
She was also a virgin, which at that time meant "very young and unmarried."
That makes it educated speculation, but it's not sufficient to throw it in a believer's face. Maybe something out of the non-canonical gospels could be said to be "evidence" (in the context of the story), but "*most* virgins in that day and age were barely past menarche" allows plausible deniability.
No matter what you throw in believers faces, you'll never get through. They've insulated themselves against anything and everything that messes with their narrative.
Trying to satiate a Christian with anything that doesn't play along with their delusions is a futile effort.
Mary was a virgin (wink, wink).
They are indoctrinated so young that too many are unable to escape the compartmentalization needed to stay blind to the problem. "It"s not MY priest on that list, so the Church is ok."
Some of us escaped the RCCs embrace when we were very small.
Wish I could say that were always so.
Bring 'em Young.
Kristian Kool-Aid produces irreversible brain damage in the form of delusions of grandeur and inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. Like LSD without all the colors.
Tru dat! :)
Bankrupting these dioceses doesn’t stop the problem. It’s nice to see them suffer, but it only keeps the victims from any sort of compensation and the church still goes on. The folks in charge continue their shuck and jive and the Vatican is untarnished.
The bankruptcy court should be allowed to refuse the protection and force the church to pay its debts to the victims. If regular folks must pay their student loans even after filing bankruptcy, the richest fucking church in the world should have to cough up for its crimes.
Even more so, shut the whole fucking thing down. Close them all, throw everyone involved in prison, if they didn’t do it, they aided and abetted it. Require them to act like adult entertainment venues and make it illegal for minors to enter even with parental consent. The RCC does more damage to children than strip clubs, casinos and bars combined.
Ah'm bahk! Five hours driving looking mostly at grass and trees. Cows and sheep with the occasional horse for a change. Just wondering what happened to that attorney general election everyone was talking about the other day – did she win? I've forgotten all about it in the delirium of being a tourist. 😎
I think you mean the State Supreme Court seat in Wisconsin. Yes, Janet Protasiewicz won.
The Republicans, who control the state legislature, are already talking about impeaching her.
Don't you have to have grounds for an impeachment? She hasn't even started the job yet!
They're Republicans.
She's female, not Republican, and has the audacity to beat their candidate. According to them, that's overwhelming grounds enough.
You could have stop at female. Remember liz cheney.
We're talking republicans here. They don't need no stinking law.
Especially against uppity people 🙄
Minor detail...
Go check* the video Mr.E posted a hour ago to have your answer.
* If you already didn't do it.
Protascewicz won, and we dodged most of the fascist bullets in my village and the one that did strike has already been on the board for a while so no major damage.
Hopefully, the Wisconsin Legislature sees the light and realizes impeaching a duly elected Justice immediately after the election is career suicide and they stop their attempt. But I’m still a bit cynical. It’s not over even though it ought to be. She won by an eleven point lead, which is a landslide under the circumstances, the people have spoken. But the GOP can’t have nice things.
I think you mean that the GOP is the reason WE can't have nice things. 😇
Yes but they also ruin their own shit too. Cut off their nose to spite their face sort of crap.
I was also saying the GOP can’t allow nice things, they have to destroy everything.
She won. 👍
Yay... Last I checked she was ahead by seven points but who knows – it's an American election? 😁
Her opponent didn't take it well.
He did not. Neither did our gerrymandered legislature, which is now looking at impeaching her for no reason other than they lost.
I wish we could impeach them.
Quelle surprise!
I rejoice in the feeling of humiliation he probably felt when he lost against a woman.
Judging by his character, I just rejoice he lost. 😁
She won by eleven points. Huge victory. Still our gerrymandered and corrupt legislature is throwing a tantrum over it.
We have elected the democratic candidate in pretty much all our statewide races, and many of the local races , but the district races are all GOP held. Which seems wrong somehow. (/s)
I question the phrase, "If you’re a Baltimore native who still attends or supports the Catholic Church with your time or money,...". Why only "If you’re a Baltimore native"? This is not just occurring in Baltimore. Shouldn't it read, "If you still attend or supports the Catholic Church with your time or money,...".
"Treatment Center", if they've found an effective treatment for pedophilia/ephebophilia, they should really share it with the mental health profession, because despite its scientific research into the problem it hasn't found an even moderately effective treatment.
One of the big Catholic treatment centers used to be in Maryland (probably still is). It was described in the PA report a few ears ago and a country club for horny pedophiles. A lot of the support staff assigned to the center consisted of young seminarians. Like using the Gallo winery as a treatment center for alcoholics.
Gallo wine would get me to quit drinking.
Isn’t there one that backs up to an elementary school? Or it’s just a home for the pedo priests they can’t hide anymore.
Coincidentally the Catholic bishop who oversees the Maryland diocese released his own report today. It's much more succinct: "Nothing to see here. Move along."
https://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/nothing_to_see_here_naked_gun.gif
"Clearly the solution is to ban drag queens story hour." Not original – I wish I'd said it though.
Link: https://god.dailydot.com/woke-game/
They are now officially beyond parody.
Yes, it's woke. They have bass AND walleye.
I want him to play Morrowind (2002) until he has a coronary, armors are identicals for men and women.
Speaking of fishing games and parody...
https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2023/03/31/stygia
(scroll down a bit if you need to see the comic)