““When you look at the very early beginnings of Mildura the first thing they built were the churches on Deakin avenue and they’re some of the oldest buildings,” he said.“
So there are places for the Christians of the community to go to for prayer. No prayer is needed in the governmental meetings. Next.
Do you want to know what happens in a country without institutional prayers and christianity pushed on everyone ?
Plan B is free and over the counter since January 1st and abortion is on the way to be inscribed in the Constitution, the Senate* finally voted yes after several attempts.
* It's not done but the major hurdle had been passed. A big thanks to halitosis, beer man and offrancis.
Freedom of religion necessarily includes freedom from religion.
That line from the article may be the most accurate statement ever.
We could use a 'Local Government Act' in the USA that has the same goal, to try to represent ALL of their constituents, not just the ones that still believe in Santa Claus or some other fairytale character.
If the goal is to reflect the people they serve, no Establishment Clause is needed. All these councillors have to do is leave their personal beliefs out of their government work.
Wow, that just might work!
We DO HAVE the Establishment Clause in America and yet it seems to be foreign to many of our representatives nowadays.
The fact that Christianity has been around a long time is not relevant, so has ignorance but we try to mitigate that even in the face of all our religious organizations (there are 350,000 churches in the USA).
That's my two-cents worth. Have a nice, truthful day.
The invocations are "a tradition that has outlived its usefulness"?! When were they ever useful? What tangible good has EVER come out of them? Their only "use" was virtue signalling by politicians, with the goal of solidifying their power and helping to put their governance beyond question or accountability. "We're doing the Lord's work, aren't we? Stop bothering us!"
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And it's worthy of note that the number of nones in the US is beginning to crowd that figure, and we are about as poorly represented as those in Australia. Not that long ago, I wrote my congressperson and senators about the Congressional Freethought Caucus, suggesting that they join. Only Sherrod Brown answered, and his answer was mostly non-committal.
I am genuinely beginning to think that it's time for us as atheists to make A LOT MORE NOISE, aimed at our government reps, than we have to date. Put bluntly, 𝗪𝗘 𝗗𝗘𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗘 𝗡𝗢𝗧𝗜𝗖𝗘!!!
Tradition is peer-pressure from dead people. Nothing should be done simply because it's tradition, there needs to be a reason behind it or it's meaningless performance. I don't put up a Xmas tree because it's tradition, but because I like the sight of a brightly, colorfully lit tree. So much so, that I'm still turning mine on everyday and likely will until I get a round tuit and take it down.
Your "Christian morals" is an oxymoron, Milne. Not just in Australia, but around the world. The recorded history and current practices of your faith are ample testament of this.
And invocations at council meeting, religious OR secular, have no value of any sort. They simply waste valuable time and need to be ditched as the relics they are.
"Local values" are no excuse for not representing *all* of your citizens. Local values are never shared by every citizen in any locality. The point of rights is to limit the power of the majority over the lives of the minority.
““When you look at the very early beginnings of Mildura the first thing they built were the churches on Deakin avenue and they’re some of the oldest buildings,” he said.“
So there are places for the Christians of the community to go to for prayer. No prayer is needed in the governmental meetings. Next.
What a breath of fresh air! :)
Do you want to know what happens in a country without institutional prayers and christianity pushed on everyone ?
Plan B is free and over the counter since January 1st and abortion is on the way to be inscribed in the Constitution, the Senate* finally voted yes after several attempts.
* It's not done but the major hurdle had been passed. A big thanks to halitosis, beer man and offrancis.
Freedom of religion necessarily includes freedom from religion.
That line from the article may be the most accurate statement ever.
We could use a 'Local Government Act' in the USA that has the same goal, to try to represent ALL of their constituents, not just the ones that still believe in Santa Claus or some other fairytale character.
If the goal is to reflect the people they serve, no Establishment Clause is needed. All these councillors have to do is leave their personal beliefs out of their government work.
Wow, that just might work!
We DO HAVE the Establishment Clause in America and yet it seems to be foreign to many of our representatives nowadays.
The fact that Christianity has been around a long time is not relevant, so has ignorance but we try to mitigate that even in the face of all our religious organizations (there are 350,000 churches in the USA).
That's my two-cents worth. Have a nice, truthful day.
The invocations are "a tradition that has outlived its usefulness"?! When were they ever useful? What tangible good has EVER come out of them? Their only "use" was virtue signalling by politicians, with the goal of solidifying their power and helping to put their governance beyond question or accountability. "We're doing the Lord's work, aren't we? Stop bothering us!"
𝘛𝘰 𝘱𝘶𝘴𝘩 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘻𝘦𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘪𝘵’𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘢𝘶𝘭𝘵 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 “𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦” 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘺 𝘣𝘦 “𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦.”
𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦!!!
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Hi, folks. I’ve made it over here.
To those 21 council members...
Good on ya, mates. :)
"𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦'𝘴 𝘢 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘧𝘵 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘺, '𝘯𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘯' 𝘪𝘴 38.9 𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘱𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘱𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥," 𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥.
And it's worthy of note that the number of nones in the US is beginning to crowd that figure, and we are about as poorly represented as those in Australia. Not that long ago, I wrote my congressperson and senators about the Congressional Freethought Caucus, suggesting that they join. Only Sherrod Brown answered, and his answer was mostly non-committal.
I am genuinely beginning to think that it's time for us as atheists to make A LOT MORE NOISE, aimed at our government reps, than we have to date. Put bluntly, 𝗪𝗘 𝗗𝗘𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗘 𝗡𝗢𝗧𝗜𝗖𝗘!!!
"When you look at the very early beginnings of Mildura the first thing they built were the churches..."
Citation needed. Mildura started out as a sheep station (ranch for us USAians). I bet there were taverns and brothels before churches.
Tradition is peer-pressure from dead people. Nothing should be done simply because it's tradition, there needs to be a reason behind it or it's meaningless performance. I don't put up a Xmas tree because it's tradition, but because I like the sight of a brightly, colorfully lit tree. So much so, that I'm still turning mine on everyday and likely will until I get a round tuit and take it down.
Ugh. Some (Most) days I regret being alive and at work.
Your "Christian morals" is an oxymoron, Milne. Not just in Australia, but around the world. The recorded history and current practices of your faith are ample testament of this.
And invocations at council meeting, religious OR secular, have no value of any sort. They simply waste valuable time and need to be ditched as the relics they are.
"Local values" are no excuse for not representing *all* of your citizens. Local values are never shared by every citizen in any locality. The point of rights is to limit the power of the majority over the lives of the minority.