““When you look at the very early beginnings of Mildura the first thing they built were the churches on Deakin avenue and they’re some of the oldest buildings,” he said.“
So there are places for the Christians of the community to go to for prayer. No prayer is needed in the governmental meetings. Next.
Their messiah"? Oh, you mean that cat in the bible. Nah, given their treatment of native Australians ('abos") I'd say they're as committed to White Jesus as any of our own home-grown yobbos.
They'd really be upset with the Jewish concept of "the messiah," which bears no resemblance to the Christian one and can partially be summed up the following way:
Do you want to know what happens in a country without institutional prayers and christianity pushed on everyone ?
Plan B is free and over the counter since January 1st and abortion is on the way to be inscribed in the Constitution, the Senate* finally voted yes after several attempts.
* It's not done but the major hurdle had been passed. A big thanks to halitosis, beer man and offrancis.
Freedom of religion necessarily includes freedom from religion.
That line from the article may be the most accurate statement ever.
We could use a 'Local Government Act' in the USA that has the same goal, to try to represent ALL of their constituents, not just the ones that still believe in Santa Claus or some other fairytale character.
If the goal is to reflect the people they serve, no Establishment Clause is needed. All these councillors have to do is leave their personal beliefs out of their government work.
Wow, that just might work!
We DO HAVE the Establishment Clause in America and yet it seems to be foreign to many of our representatives nowadays.
The fact that Christianity has been around a long time is not relevant, so has ignorance but we try to mitigate that even in the face of all our religious organizations (there are 350,000 churches in the USA).
That's my two-cents worth. Have a nice, truthful day.
The invocations are "a tradition that has outlived its usefulness"?! When were they ever useful? What tangible good has EVER come out of them? Their only "use" was virtue signalling by politicians, with the goal of solidifying their power and helping to put their governance beyond question or accountability. "We're doing the Lord's work, aren't we? Stop bothering us!"
OT: Not counting yesterday on the wrong e-mail, I haven't posted on SubStack in over a year, but it remembers my avatar. VF, I'm lucky if it lasts a week.
Based on what I've seen to date, Hemant has effectively moved HERE. He hasn't posted anything on OS since January 30th, though I have to say, I only made the migration here because I remember someone mentioned him and Substack.
I can still remember when we had such high hopes for OnlySky. Many of us stuck with with them through the horrid growing pains of tuning the AI in the hope of something better.
I wonder if SS will be his new home or if it's the apartment he's renting while he looks for something better.
And it's worthy of note that the number of nones in the US is beginning to crowd that figure, and we are about as poorly represented as those in Australia. Not that long ago, I wrote my congressperson and senators about the Congressional Freethought Caucus, suggesting that they join. Only Sherrod Brown answered, and his answer was mostly non-committal.
I am genuinely beginning to think that it's time for us as atheists to make A LOT MORE NOISE, aimed at our government reps, than we have to date. Put bluntly, 𝗪𝗘 𝗗𝗘𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗘 𝗡𝗢𝗧𝗜𝗖𝗘!!!
The churches lasted the longest because they’re stuck in tradition. The businesses, shops, taverns and brothels, all found ways to improve and grow while the churches stagnated with stupid rituals of prayer and power grabs.
Tradition is peer-pressure from dead people. Nothing should be done simply because it's tradition, there needs to be a reason behind it or it's meaningless performance. I don't put up a Xmas tree because it's tradition, but because I like the sight of a brightly, colorfully lit tree. So much so, that I'm still turning mine on everyday and likely will until I get a round tuit and take it down.
Just at work? Because if you're feeling that way all the time and medication hasn't helped, I recommend trying TMS. It did wonders for me. If I believed in miracles, I'd call it miraculous.
If it's just work, we all have those days. I've been working all weekend. (Mostly kicking things off and then watching what little status messages they give for several hours)
I had been having at least passing thoughts of suicide, on average, at least weekly for over 30 years. That was just normal for me. Now I don't. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns, but I no longer feel like Atlas trying to hold up a dark heavy mass that is trying to crush me.
Just because you're used to it, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
Your "Christian morals" is an oxymoron, Milne. Not just in Australia, but around the world. The recorded history and current practices of your faith are ample testament of this.
And invocations at council meeting, religious OR secular, have no value of any sort. They simply waste valuable time and need to be ditched as the relics they are.
"Local values" are no excuse for not representing *all* of your citizens. Local values are never shared by every citizen in any locality. The point of rights is to limit the power of the majority over the lives of the minority.
““When you look at the very early beginnings of Mildura the first thing they built were the churches on Deakin avenue and they’re some of the oldest buildings,” he said.“
So there are places for the Christians of the community to go to for prayer. No prayer is needed in the governmental meetings. Next.
Didn't their messiah tell them to pray at home? In their "closets?" In secret? Isn't praying anywhere in public a no-no?
Jesus asked a question of those around him that's still pertinent to his supposed followers today...
"Why, do you call me 'Lord, Lord,' yet don't do what I tell you?"
Their messiah"? Oh, you mean that cat in the bible. Nah, given their treatment of native Australians ('abos") I'd say they're as committed to White Jesus as any of our own home-grown yobbos.
They'd really be upset with the Jewish concept of "the messiah," which bears no resemblance to the Christian one and can partially be summed up the following way:
"Any man who calls himself God is a liar."
What a breath of fresh air! :)
Do you want to know what happens in a country without institutional prayers and christianity pushed on everyone ?
Plan B is free and over the counter since January 1st and abortion is on the way to be inscribed in the Constitution, the Senate* finally voted yes after several attempts.
* It's not done but the major hurdle had been passed. A big thanks to halitosis, beer man and offrancis.
Freedom of religion necessarily includes freedom from religion.
That line from the article may be the most accurate statement ever.
We could use a 'Local Government Act' in the USA that has the same goal, to try to represent ALL of their constituents, not just the ones that still believe in Santa Claus or some other fairytale character.
If the goal is to reflect the people they serve, no Establishment Clause is needed. All these councillors have to do is leave their personal beliefs out of their government work.
Wow, that just might work!
We DO HAVE the Establishment Clause in America and yet it seems to be foreign to many of our representatives nowadays.
The fact that Christianity has been around a long time is not relevant, so has ignorance but we try to mitigate that even in the face of all our religious organizations (there are 350,000 churches in the USA).
That's my two-cents worth. Have a nice, truthful day.
𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘴𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘴 𝘧𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘰𝘮 𝘰𝘧 𝘤𝘩𝘰𝘪𝘤𝘦 𝘶𝘯𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘳𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘧𝘶𝘴𝘦.
-- David Hume
The invocations are "a tradition that has outlived its usefulness"?! When were they ever useful? What tangible good has EVER come out of them? Their only "use" was virtue signalling by politicians, with the goal of solidifying their power and helping to put their governance beyond question or accountability. "We're doing the Lord's work, aren't we? Stop bothering us!"
𝘛𝘰 𝘱𝘶𝘴𝘩 𝘊𝘩𝘳𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘰𝘯 𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘻𝘦𝘯𝘴 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘪𝘵’𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘢𝘶𝘭𝘵 𝘧𝘢𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘣𝘰𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘢 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘭𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 “𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦” 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘵𝘳𝘶𝘭𝘺 𝘣𝘦 “𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦.”
𝗧𝗛𝗜𝗦!!!
OT: Not counting yesterday on the wrong e-mail, I haven't posted on SubStack in over a year, but it remembers my avatar. VF, I'm lucky if it lasts a week.
I honestly believed I'd unsubscribed after OS got up and running. Guess it didn't take, lucky me.
I'm now wondering if I should upgrade to a paid subscription. Hemant deserves to make money off his work, I just don't think OS does.
Based on what I've seen to date, Hemant has effectively moved HERE. He hasn't posted anything on OS since January 30th, though I have to say, I only made the migration here because I remember someone mentioned him and Substack.
Ah, well, them changes...
If that's the case, what's the over/under for when OS goes belly up? I give them two months, tops.
I'll be checking them regularly and readying the hats and horns for when they do.
I can still remember when we had such high hopes for OnlySky. Many of us stuck with with them through the horrid growing pains of tuning the AI in the hope of something better.
I wonder if SS will be his new home or if it's the apartment he's renting while he looks for something better.
Hi, folks. I’ve made it over here.
Villkomen, bienvenue, velcome. C'mon in. :)
To those 21 council members...
Good on ya, mates. :)
"𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦'𝘴 𝘢 𝘣𝘪𝘨 𝘴𝘩𝘪𝘧𝘵 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘳𝘺, '𝘯𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘪𝘰𝘯' 𝘪𝘴 38.9 𝘱𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘱𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘱𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘪𝘴𝘯'𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘥," 𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥.
And it's worthy of note that the number of nones in the US is beginning to crowd that figure, and we are about as poorly represented as those in Australia. Not that long ago, I wrote my congressperson and senators about the Congressional Freethought Caucus, suggesting that they join. Only Sherrod Brown answered, and his answer was mostly non-committal.
I am genuinely beginning to think that it's time for us as atheists to make A LOT MORE NOISE, aimed at our government reps, than we have to date. Put bluntly, 𝗪𝗘 𝗗𝗘𝗦𝗘𝗥𝗩𝗘 𝗡𝗢𝗧𝗜𝗖𝗘!!!
"When you look at the very early beginnings of Mildura the first thing they built were the churches..."
Citation needed. Mildura started out as a sheep station (ranch for us USAians). I bet there were taverns and brothels before churches.
The churches lasted the longest because they’re stuck in tradition. The businesses, shops, taverns and brothels, all found ways to improve and grow while the churches stagnated with stupid rituals of prayer and power grabs.
And shops to buy anything who couldn't be produced there.
Tradition is peer-pressure from dead people. Nothing should be done simply because it's tradition, there needs to be a reason behind it or it's meaningless performance. I don't put up a Xmas tree because it's tradition, but because I like the sight of a brightly, colorfully lit tree. So much so, that I'm still turning mine on everyday and likely will until I get a round tuit and take it down.
And Baby Jesus loves you for that.
I prefer Santa, there's an imaginary being that stands for something I can agree with.
Julenissen is my favourite. Jul = yule
Nisse ≈ gnome
Ugh. Some (Most) days I regret being alive and at work.
Just at work? Because if you're feeling that way all the time and medication hasn't helped, I recommend trying TMS. It did wonders for me. If I believed in miracles, I'd call it miraculous.
If it's just work, we all have those days. I've been working all weekend. (Mostly kicking things off and then watching what little status messages they give for several hours)
Eh, been this way since early 2000, and it'll probably keep being this way the rest of the century despite my best efforts.
I had been having at least passing thoughts of suicide, on average, at least weekly for over 30 years. That was just normal for me. Now I don't. Life isn't rainbows and unicorns, but I no longer feel like Atlas trying to hold up a dark heavy mass that is trying to crush me.
Just because you're used to it, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.
Eh, it's more to do with the fact that I'm currently dangerously sleep-deficient for the past couple weeks, with not many opportunities to make it up.
Your "Christian morals" is an oxymoron, Milne. Not just in Australia, but around the world. The recorded history and current practices of your faith are ample testament of this.
And invocations at council meeting, religious OR secular, have no value of any sort. They simply waste valuable time and need to be ditched as the relics they are.
"Local values" are no excuse for not representing *all* of your citizens. Local values are never shared by every citizen in any locality. The point of rights is to limit the power of the majority over the lives of the minority.