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Conservative Christians never stop trying to mark their territory in the public square owned by all citizens. People like this mayor are one of the reasons the founders did not give religion a role to play in their new government. Nothing divides people more effectively and unnecessarily than religion. I would challenge the Mayor to name a single thing these so-called prayer breakfasts have ever accomplished, and provide some objective evidence to support his claim. This is all about Christians trying to formalize the expectation of privilege they have enjoyed for far too long.

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The ONLY thing that prayer breakfasts accomplish is a lascivious display of virtue signaling, and yes, I use the word, "lascivious" purposefully. They are so enamored with their faith and so convinced of their rectitude that it borders on their love affair with their penises.

Which one they like better is left as an exercise for the student.

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Far too many people have convinced themselves they can solve any problem by inserting their religion. No one else's mind you, just theirs. They do not comprehend the sheer impossibility of it.

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I wonder if it's as much about solving problems as getting the other guy to come to YOUR point of view. I've mentioned many times that 1) believers constantly need to reaffirm their belief and 2) have as many people as possible agree with them about said belief. Anything else creates cognitive dissonance, and they have a poor tolerance for that at best.

Besides, when did inserting religion into a problem EVER solve it?

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I have maintained for a long time, the staggering number of Christian tribes should be a far bigger problem for believers than it is. It speaks to a God who couldn't make himself understood, and to why religion should never have a role to play in governance.

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I bet my house that your argument would not be understood by those who don't already understand it.

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Oh, I know that. It's a situation people have gotten used to, and the majority of people never stop to question why they believe the things they do in the first place.

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If this actually happened, I would like a schedule a similar meeting. Instead I want an evening meeting during a full moon. It will be my:

HOWL AT THE MOON MEETING.

Everyone will be invited especially those people that are rather sheepish.

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May 2·edited May 2

𝑐ℎ𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑛𝑔𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑀𝑎𝑦𝑜𝑟 𝑡𝑜 𝑛𝑎𝑚𝑒 𝑎 𝑠𝑖𝑛𝑔𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑠𝑒 𝑠𝑜-𝑐𝑎𝑙𝑙𝑒𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑎𝑦𝑒𝑟 𝑏𝑟𝑒𝑎𝑘𝑓𝑎𝑠𝑡𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑟 𝑎𝑐𝑐𝑜𝑚𝑝𝑙𝑖𝑠ℎ𝑒𝑑

They accomplish vote-garnering for reelection.

It's kissing the baby. 'Cause this baby throws tantrums if you don't kiss it.

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Clog their arteries with all that healthy food.

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"a single thing these so-called prayer breakfasts have ever accomplished,"

Less time to pass ordinances/laws against the minority to bash that day ?

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Yes, yet more territorrial pissings. You expect that from a dog.

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Perfectly stated......

It's truly nauseating to see all their religion everywhere. It's a stranglehold. They think they are so goddamn entitled- - and they are always the victim.

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𝐼'𝑚 𝑎 𝑚𝑎𝑦𝑜𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑎𝑙𝑙 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑝𝑒𝑜𝑝𝑙𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑙𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑖𝑛 𝐿𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑜𝑛.

Are you really, sir? Does that include the Jewish people of London, Kentucky? The Muslims and Mormons, the Hindus and Buddhists? Never mind the likely fact that your town has few or none of those. The point here is that your government is supposed to be SECULAR, which is to say, not favoring any one religion and preferably not doing ANY RELIGIOUS BUSINESS WHATSOEVER, but being 𝗡𝗘𝗨𝗧𝗥𝗔𝗟 regarding religion. Such a stance would allow you to treat ALL people of all religions, as well as those who have no religious faith, 𝗘𝗤𝗨𝗔𝗟𝗟𝗬.

But, of course, you were raised as a Christian, I have zero doubt. Further, you were taught that Christianity is THE religion, and that other belief systems are beneath your notice. So absolutely you feel entirely justified in using your office as a bully pulpit for your beliefs, and a prayer breakfast is as natural to you as church on Sunday.

So keep it up, Randall. Just don't be surprised when a lawsuit from the Freedom From Religion Foundation lands on your doorstep. They reminded you – and quite politely – that your actions were improper.

Their next reminder may be a touch more terse.

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These types of Christians are the ones who say things like "Catholics aren't real Christians" and that "Islam was inspired by Satan to deny the divinity of Jesus.". The unity plot is nonsense.

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Neutral /= nonassociation. Let's say Bob's Hardware store and St. Mary's Catholic church both invite the mayor to their barbecues.

Going to St. Mary's, not Bob's, "in official role as Mayor" because of the mayor's personal faith = bad. Favors religious community organizations over nonreligious ones.

Going to Bob's, not St. Mary's, "in official role as Mayor" because of the mayor's personal ideology = equally bad. Favors nonreligious community organizations over religious ones.

Showing no preference - going to both, going to neither, doing 'first come first serve', or just fitting in what you can as more important calendar events allow = good. Establishes no religion or ideology above any others.

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" a touch more terse"....... like a punch in the nuts.

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Or slapping an envelope into Randall's hand, saying, "You've been served." I suspect that would wake him up!

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London, Kentucky is...hmm. I really can't describe it kindly without punching down in ways I don't feel are productive. The best I can say is; every stereotype about Kentucky you've ever heard, from generations of poverty, holy rollers, the arc of the hopeless chemical distractions from moonshine to meth to oxycontin to fentanyl, dry counties with high schools that can't have proms (less of those now but I don't think they're all gone) teen moms born of teen moms, I can't think of anything wretched in this state that doesn't have a long association with London, Kentucky. And so all I can say is it's amazing to me they have faith at all because their prayers haven't changed the shit hole nature of their surrounds, and it's the only thing they've been allowed to try.

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But at least they have Ken Ham and his monuments to human ignorance in Williamstown.

Priorities, donchaknow?

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at least his Ark Abomination went broke.

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I don't know if you were around back then, but Hemant used to give a rundown of their attendance numbers once a month.

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It's still in business but isn't getting the numbers he wants and it's not helping spur business in the area like he promised it would.

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It has?

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The restaurant at the truckstop is pretty good, though.

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Mayor Weddell people have the right to be religious or not and if they aren't religious they shouldn't made to feel less than because you personally think you are right and everybody else is wrong. Thank you but I'll be going to the Aetheist breakfast that day. Much better food but more importantly more understanding and educated people. My RSVP? My middle finger.

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Does anyone have the “right” to be religious if their religion includes proselytizing including children? Isn’t this like saying one has the right to be a pedophile of children’s minds?

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I reject your metaphor as invidious. People have a right to free speech, and speech is (with maybe some few exceptions) not the same as violence. So yes if you want to stand on a public street corner saying 'the end is nigh, repent!' and some child asks you about repentence, yes, you have the right to talk God to them. No this is not pedophilia. It might be dickishness, but it's not any sort of violent or criminal assault.

Having said that, neither your metaphor nor my counterexample is in any way related to the problem the Mayor brings up, which is an elected official "establishing" religion by showing official event favoritism towards Christian constituents.

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And I reject your sophistic rejection.

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PS, your argument reminds of the Alioto hypotheticals that will be used to justify Trump given his get out of jail passes. I only mention it because you bring up Alioto in another part of this thread. Hypotheticals illustrating extreme examples are total BS and you know it.

I do expert witness work in many different courts all the way up to feral courts. If I used an example like that, in court, I would lose all credibility with a cross from the opposing attorney.

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Ever since...the Dred Scott decision?......our courts have been feral. ,:)

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They have been up and down but it seems more down.

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Federal courts not feral courts but since I may be an avatar of

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Okay, let's stick to your example. I say people DO have a right to be religious when 'being religious' includes proselytizing children (assuming you are not adding in some extraneous crime, like breaking into someone's house to proselytize them). I say this is NOT like pedophilia, and I oppose the idea of treating it as criminal the way your "a pedophile of children's minds" implies it should be.

So, now you know I oppose your specific idea, not some hypothetical situation I brought up. Your turn; can you tell me whether you actually defend what you wrote, or if you were just being hyperbolic? Is that question direct and on point enough for you? Do you REALLY think that the first amendment should NOT give people the right to proselytize children? Do you really think we should treat someone speaking to children about religion as a pedophile - charge them with a crime, then throw them in jail?

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There you go again: “ and I oppose the idea of treating it as criminal the way your "a pedophile of children's minds" implies it should be.”. What you infer IS NOT WHAT I IMPLY.

Do me a favor, look up the definition of the word metaphor.

Incidentally, remember the concerns and uproar created by the Taliban with their brain washing of children? Let’s not be hypocrites and say what seems evil for them is righteous for us.

If you LOVE your children, IMO, you teach them how to think critically and NOT brainwash them into believing in a mythical, vengefull, genocidal god heading to a potential modern USA version of the Thirty Years War.

So, I’ll add child abuse to my metaphor.

Again, look it up and realize you are arguing with smoke.

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I would say that since parents are supposed to be in charge of their children's education, proselytizing someone else's kids without the permission of their parents or guardian could be seen as violative if the public peace. Remember the Philadelphia nativist riots of 1844? Set off by a charge that a Catholic Bible was read to Protestant students in the public schools. A good argument for privatizing education.

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"I believe that my office is here to serve everyone that lives here."

IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!

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The breakfast is to fatten everyone up.

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I never understood the concept of a prayer breakfast. “Let’s meet for prayer” makes sense to me. “Let’s meet for breakfast” makes sense to me. But I don’t understand “Let’s meet for bacon, eggs, hash browns, and waffles with a side of Jesus” just always struck me as an odd idea.

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It depends on who's doing the cooking.

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It goes back to service clubs like the Elks, the Lions, or the Rotary or Optimist Clubs. They used to be ubiquitous in small town America, and were made up of the same business owners as the Chamber of Commerce. And due to everyone's work schedules, they would often have breakfast or lunch meetings. (My dad was a member of both the Breakfast and Noonday Optimists.)

Seems like there would be a lot of overlap between those groups and the people who would be most interested in a prayer breakfast.

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If I might add something here, I would also point out that this is in Kentucky, and in the South, food is an inherent and powerful part of the culture. Eating as a group is, to a surprising degree, a mark of acceptance within the community; which is also why the FFRF sent the letter. Non religious people are being socially rejected by a government authority as part of the community by being intentionally dis-included from this breakfast. This is a form of social shunning in many ways, and while it may not make a whole lot of sense to an outsider, you can bet the locals very well got the message.

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Thanks. This makes sense of it all. My father was a Kiwani, a Lion, and a Rotarian at various times. Having been to a few of these events, I can see exactly what you’re talking about.

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From Wikipedia: "To his publisher, Lewis wrote: “[George Babbitt] is all of us Americans at 46, prosperous, but worried, wanting — passionately — to seize something more than motor cars and a house before it's too late.” About the novel, Lewis said: “This is the story of the ruler of America” wherein the “tired American Businessman” wielded socioeconomic power not through his exceptionality but rather through militant conformity. Lewis portrayed the American businessman as a man deeply dissatisfied with and privately aware of his shortcomings; he is “the most grievous victim of his own militant dullness” who secretly longed for freedom and romance."

Or TL,DR: Mediocre white men who realize their bourgeois level of "success" doesn't fulfill them after all. Sounds vaguely familiar...

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Sinclair Lewis wrote "Babbitt" about these comfortable, arrogant small-town "boosters" - I think Babbitt would have fit in with this crowd just fine.

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"We understand the importance of faith."

Who is WE, Weddle? Some of us place no such importance on it whatsoever. On top of that, an ever-increasing number of people place no importance on it, including people who once attended services but now claim themselves to be "nones."

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I had faith Aria would do something idiotic one day out of two or three 😇

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I have been a none since about 5th grade of kkkatlik gulag.

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I would like to see hidden camera footage of what happens when a Muslim constituent attends and sets up a prayer rug. The mayor shouldn't object to someone praying at his prayer breakfast, right?

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Invite Pastafarians. They'll bring their own colanders to that breakfast. Win-win.

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R'Amen!

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Sauce be upon him.

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I'd like to see what happens if someone shouted "Hail Satan!" at the end of the prayer.

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It would be like that scene in "Stop or my mom will shoot" on the subway, when everyone whips out a gun at once.

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That would be awesome, yes to be a fly on the wall there.......

the person doesn't even need to be muslim, just send someone in there with their prayer rug. I wonder what Johnny Knoxville is doing, he'd be up for it

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I pray that God will continue to non-exist, delude and divide the people of planet Earth forever.

See? Prayers do come true if you believe hard enough.

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"not promoting any one religion or any in particular faith,"

"I believe that my office is here to serve everyone that lives here."

Oh ? How about you ask a Satanist or a Drag Queen to open your "brayer breakfast" with an invocation ?

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Not a typo? 😉

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Try to guess 😁

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**bows in your general direction* for that brilliant bon mot "brayers"

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As a mayor, I've always believed this: I'm a mayor for all the people that live in London. I believe that my office is here to serve everyone that lives here. But to say that we shouldn't assemble ourselves together and pray, by any organization, or anyone to demand us not to show our faith, I will not cave to these demands. Our community will not cave to these demands. We will not cave to the demands of individuals who do not live here, reside here, but think that we should not be able to assemble ourselves together and unite as a community and pray in our faith. I will continue our community's "prayer" breakfast where we sacrifice a willing virgin to ensure this year's crop. These New York atheists just want our beautiful crop of barley to whither in the field. We will not let them. We will stand tall, hold our prayer breakfast, and slit the throat of a virgin so that her innocent blood will cause a bountiful harvest.

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You know, the presence of a hymen doesn't mean a girl is a virgin. Sacrifice an incel instead.

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I tried that, but instead of corn, I grew a field of Mountain Dew Code Red 2 liter bottles. What am I do those? I am a man of unimaginable cruelty and inhumanity, but to try to make someone drink that, even I have my limits.

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🤣😂🤣

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“I will not cave….” I’m confused. How can he claim he will not cave as he is demonstrating he already lives in a cave?

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> "...sacrifice a willing virgin..."

I'm here to offer my services to any virgins who wish to void their eligibility...(must be 18 to participate)

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That's very civic minded of you.

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😡😡😡😡😡

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https://ibb.co/bdvB8sJ

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Now THAT'S "fan service." 😎

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This why we must put more progressives and more religion-free people in Congress. We must end christian privileging, ANY religious privileging to stop one of the steps to Fascism. We will no longer tolerate being a captive audience for the fantasy & BS that is religion. Do it privately only. The public is for ALL. It is time to refuse to seat any more Catholic SCOTUS and frankly any more religious nut cases into our legislature. It’s a sign of psychosis not reason. It has been proven that Christopher Hitchens was correct-religion poisons everything.

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*sigh* Praying in public AGAIN, Christians? Your own Jesus asked you why you called him Lord but didn't do what he told you.

He also said not everyone who calls him Lord will get to be in his kingdom.

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According to their holey book, 2/3 of humans alive today will ed up in hell. If you figure half of kkkristers failing it rises to 80%. Imagine it taking 5 tries to make your toaster work. Imagine your car breaking 4 out of 5 times you drive it. Or constantly fixing your tv, phone or computer.

god is a HUGE FAIL!!!

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According to teh bibel, only 144,000 virgin Jewish males from the 12 tribes of Israel with the mark of their god on their foreheads will be granted access to heaven.

That's it. No one else need apply for the cloudy afterlife.

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Wonder if those are the 72 virgins for the Muslim faithful?

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After all this time, are they still virgins?

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No Homo.

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Don't Say Gay.

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They grow it back and are recycled?

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Oldest trick in the whorehouse book.

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And in which of Islam's 7 heavens will they be found?

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The one with only 4000 inmates.

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The joke being they are all Incel males.

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And how do they get exactly 12,000 from each tribe?

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Good Question! Don't ask me, I am numerically challenged😁😉

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I will say what I've said multiple times here, these folks really are incapable of fathoming that their religion isn't simply understood to be the one true faith. This is really quite clear in the asinine statements highlighted in the quotes. They'll NEVER be capable of seeing this no matter how obvious it's made to them.

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“The letter does not say Christians can’t celebrate a day of prayer. It says the government can’t promote it.”

These poor white evangelicals—always looking for a cross on which they can prominently display their virtue and their “suffering.”

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Yep they should "get down off the cross we need the wood."

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" we all know that without faith, our community would be lost."

By which he means he won't be able to throw his "God weight" around. "Hey God wants this so you're evil if you don't listen."

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