"Just last year, the state of Washington agreed to a settlement to exempt Confession from a mandatory reporting bill that purposely didn't include it after facing a lawsuit backed by the Trump administration."
The regime of child abusers protecting child abusers. How very unsurprising.
We need to be asking the religious why kiddie rape - a practice they publicly condemn is protected if it comes out in a confession? That protection harms children and I believe, Jesus was inclined to protect them - “suffer the little children to come to me.” This is a current burning question. And the religious keep coming down on the wrong side of the question.
Or rip out their guts and put it on a fence. Invite a couple of vultures over to eat; I am sure the clergy watching would find it educational. 🤔
Take the clergy to the Grand Canyon; rip out their entrails and loop it around a rock then push the clergy over the cliff and watch a see if the entrails snaps when it extends to its farthest point or springs back like a rubber band! 🤔
Of course I am not really serious, well not too much anyway!
“ He feared that this bill would be a slippery slope to ending the sanctity of Confession and added that opponents were “legislating a vendetta.”
More than 55 years ago, there was a huge rally at the university of Hawaii against the Vietnam war. One of the speakers was comedian Alan Sherman, who is probably forgotten by just about everybody who isn’t old. He was commenting in his speech about Nixon saying that the United States would “lose face” if it unilaterally ended the war and sued for peace. Sherman‘s response: “the face of this country is not worth the life of my son.“
I think Sherman’s response is appropriate here. The sanctity of confession is not worth the wreckage of my son’s or my daughter‘s life. The rather privileged belief that a law like this was legislating a vendetta is also not worth the wreckage of my sons or my daughter’s life. What privileged religious people may believe others think of them is also not worth the wreckage of my son’s or daughter’s life.
But underneath all of this is one hell of an admission. They know that the abuse is going on. And they don’t fucking care. They would rather blame drag queens, gay people, and transgender people for the abuse that God‘s representatives are visiting on innocent children. This is what they’ve been doing for years, decades, centuries, especially the Catholic Church. That little abuse scandal is at least 1000 years old
And that’s says worlds about what they actually believe and value.
The "sanctity of confession," and indeed the concept of religious sanctity, full stop, is a load of hooey. The Catholic Church overuses words like sanctity (presuming it didn't INVENT the word, flat out!) to establish and hold its self-presumed authority over its sheep ... oops, I meant "parishioners." And that's just part of a systematic process of brainwashing and indoctrination which they have been about since the inception of Roman Catholicism.
And breaking the sheep of their shepherd will take no small amount of effort.
Postscript: I remember Allan Sherman. He was great fun back in the day, and you haven't lived until you've heard his symphonic work. "Symphonic work?!?" Oh, you betcha!
Frankly the whole confession thing just sounds like "gathering blackmail material so I can shame you into doing what I want" in a fancier outfit to me. Probably because that's exactly what it is.
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC WAR IN VIETNAM, a money maker for some fat boys at home …
Estimates of the total number of bomb craters created during the Vietnam War (including Laos and Cambodia) vary, but recent studies using declassified satellite imagery suggest the number is well into the millions, with one study identifying over 500,000 in only two specific, heavily bombed study areas.
Key figures regarding the scale of the bombing and resulting craters include:
Total Bombing Scale: Between 1965 and 1975, the U.S. and its allies dropped over 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, which is more than double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during all of World War II.
Detected Craters: A 2024 study using machine learning and KH-9 satellite imagery identified over 541,000 bomb craters (442,157 in Quang Tri province and 99,241 in a tri-border area) in just two specific study regions.
Widespread Impact: The total number of craters across all affected areas in Southeast Asia is estimated to be in the millions. One, albeit extreme, estimate often cited in historical discussions suggests as many as 26 million bomb craters were left behind across the region. These craters could be 6 feet deep or deeper.
Regional Concentration: Laos is considered the most heavily bombed country in the world per capita, with over 2 million tons of bombs dropped, resulting in widespread, dense areas of craters.
Impact on Land: It is estimated that roughly 20% of the land in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia remains contaminated by unexploded ordnance (UXO).
These craters, along with unexploded bombs (often 10% or more of those dropped), continue to pose significant dangers, with tens of thousands of people killed or injured in the decades following the war.
… that’s the WONDERFUL CHRISTIAN AMERICA the rest of us are forced to share the planet with.
MURDERER DONALD certainly is not the first MURDEROUS US PRESIDENT.
I know what you mean and I understand your anger. We’ve been watching a show called “Homeland”. You listen to all of the very politically-involved people talking about bombing this and bombing that, spreading more death and destruction, with no end in sight.. they don’t care as long as it’s not happening to them
Influence from the Vietnamese Catholic Church, the American Catholic Church, and the Vatican became a factor in the foreign policy decisions by the Eisenhower Administration as they related to Vietnam. These decisions led to direct involvement in Vietnam and eventually the AMERICAN WAR IN VIETNAM.
CHRISTIANS and their despicable hate of communism !
And I bet that 99.9% of so called American Veterans have no idea of all this stuff their country dumps them into.
Well, to be fair, once secularists succeeded in moving them out of positions of power, the crusades, witch burnings, and inquisitions got tamped down quite a bit. Of course, we know they'd fire them up again if they ever regained any of their former political power.
MAGA, Christian Nationalism, National Socialism, Fascism, Marxism (as applied in the former Soviet block and China; and still in North Korea) and the effects of late-stage capitalism are showing us that morally and ethically, societies have not made nearly as much progress in the last 2000 years as we like to think we have.
The 20th century featured a record number of ethnic cleansings and mass murders.
When has the safety of children 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 been a priority for the Church? It has always been about power, and protecting the powerful. They will continue to protect priests over kids to maintain that power. They will never admit to it to protect the reputations of the powerful.
So, Kansas priests are now mandated reporters for child sex abuse ... EXCEPT when that information comes through the confessional. I have to ask a question: that being the case WHEN does the Kansas state legislature expect ANY priest to report ANYTHING? On top of that, since this bill will doubtless become common knowledge to Kansans, why would anyone admit to any such transgression anywhere other than the confession booth?
From where I sit, the bill is useless, WORSE than useless, because it pretends to fix something while supplying an obvious loophole. Bluntly foolish.
"The Church’s child protection policies have been highly successful in preventing and responding to misconduct..."
If that were at all true, this website would be missing at least a third of its content.
Generally speaking, Christian churches do not and have not done a good job of policing their own membership in regard to sexual misconduct, even that misconduct that involves children. Policy change is lovely, and it would be a reasonable start, but unless and until churches start actually insisting on better behavior nothing will change. The problem here is the nature of the authoritarian culture so common to Christian churches combined with a refusal to allow anyone outside the church to assist when the issue arises; policy changes do not typically address that. What is needed here is a cultural shift to insistence on better behavior, not just a change in policy that won't be enforced anyway.
Surprise me, Christians. Make that shift and show what family values is really supposed to be about.
If one has sexually abused a child -- or anyone, for that matter, the Confessional and the Rite of Penitence should not be a cover for legal accountability for that crime.
A great time to receive absolution of the sin of sexual abuse of another person is BEFORE that action occurs. If therapy is required in order not to offend, then the potential abuser should seek therapy. Once the abuse occurs, a victim is involved (the person who was abused) and shielding the perpetrator from the consequences of sexually abusing another person re-injures the victim and allows the perpetrator to re-offend, without consequences.
If one willfully sexually abuses another person, that abuser deserves pretty much whatever punishment they receive.
I've forgotten who it was that suggested that absolution be withheld in such cases, pending a separate confession: to local law enforcement. The Church will never go for it, but there's no changing the fact that should be SOP.
It's been suggested several times by a number of individuals, including myself. There really is no reason at all that absolution should not include going to the authorities to admit the crime and acceptance of the state-mandated punishment for said crime; other than that 'might keep people away from confession!!!' so often touted by priests. If someone is kept away from confession by the possible consequences of their actions, then it's pretty obvious to me they aren't nearly as sorry as they're claiming.
I've pointed this out to the religious several times: if a mandatory reporting law causes abusers to not confess their crimes to their priests, then that changes 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 from the status quo, which is that the priests hear their confessions and then keep them secret. Either way, the 𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘳 authorities don't know about and can't prosecute the crimes- but with a mandatory reporting requirement, the circle-the-wagons effect of abuser priests "confessing" to each other and having a giggle at what they've gotten away with might be somewhat weakened. There are potential upsides to such laws, while the downsides are entirely meaningless.
If priests were actually looking to end child abuse they would require the abuser to turn themselves in. But since the majority of people who will confess this to a priest are their fellow priests they never will require them to turn themselves in.
Many of Liszt's pieces were built on pieces Schubert composed; and Schubert's pieces were built on pieces Beethoven composed; and Beethoven's pieces were built on pieces that Haydn and Bach composed.
Each one of these composers wrote their own, individual music in their own, individual style; but all of them were influenced by, and indebted to, composers who lived before them.
I'm a composer. I'm strongly influenced by Steve Reich and John Adams; Ferruccio Busoni; Franz Liszt -- and Alfonso X Il Sabio (Spain, 12th century), Leonin and Perotin (12th-13th century).
Speaking for myself a Christian, I can support a separate confession to local law enforcement COMPLETELY.
Too often, we Christians indulge in "cheap grace": we tell God we have sinned; or tell a priest we have sinned, get our absolution, and go off and do the same damn thing again.
When our actions -- be they sexual abuse, physical abuse, or even spiritual abuse --have severely damaged someone, part of the grace of absolution has to include ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. Saying that our transgression is "covered by the Blood of Jesus" DOES NOT CUT IT.
I've said it many times, here and elsewhere: Sin is ONE thing. Crime is ENTIRELY ANOTHER. Priests can absolve sin all they want. That has NO EFFECT OR IMPACT WHATSOEVER on the CRIME.
Frankly I'm surprised even the completely toothless version was allowed to be brought to the floor for a vote, considering some of the other absolute bullshit the Kansas legislature has been getting up to lately. If a piece of performative legislation concerning clergy was in the pipeline, I'd have expected it to be something that asserted their total immunity from secular law, rather than something that asks them to comply with it.
Thanks. Over ice with a dash of Amaretto, I can actually put down a fair amount of that stuff. But I do have to be careful about operating heavy equipment (and man do I have some heavy equipment) 😜.
[“The Church’s child protection policies have been highly successful in preventing and responding to misconduct]
I suppose that technically could be true depending upon the parameter of time you are using. If you are talking about last Tuesday when a majority of priests had the flu and were bedridden, this statement could technically be correct.
If you are talking about the history of the Catholic church in the United States, well, might want to grab the fire extinguisher for your pants, Liar.
"Just last year, the state of Washington agreed to a settlement to exempt Confession from a mandatory reporting bill that purposely didn't include it after facing a lawsuit backed by the Trump administration."
The regime of child abusers protecting child abusers. How very unsurprising.
We need to be asking the religious why kiddie rape - a practice they publicly condemn is protected if it comes out in a confession? That protection harms children and I believe, Jesus was inclined to protect them - “suffer the little children to come to me.” This is a current burning question. And the religious keep coming down on the wrong side of the question.
It really is (as the song says) all about the benjamins (slang for 100$ bill for those who aren't familiar.) in this corrupt regime.
Pet peeve. That's a $100 bill NOT a 100$ bill. Thank you.
"Men will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest." -- Denis Diderot
I’ve always admired the creativity of that image.
Or rip out their guts and put it on a fence. Invite a couple of vultures over to eat; I am sure the clergy watching would find it educational. 🤔
Take the clergy to the Grand Canyon; rip out their entrails and loop it around a rock then push the clergy over the cliff and watch a see if the entrails snaps when it extends to its farthest point or springs back like a rubber band! 🤔
Of course I am not really serious, well not too much anyway!
Watching vultures eat their guts while they are still alive. I like that.
Wasn't that one of the punishments Zeus the goose meted out?
That was the liver.
Oh, yeah, Prometheus.
Thank you, I never can remember the author.
“𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐶ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ’𝑠 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑐𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑏𝑒𝑒𝑛 ℎ𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑢𝑐𝑐𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑓𝑢𝑙 𝑖𝑛 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑟𝑒𝑠𝑝𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑖𝑛𝑔 𝑡𝑜 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑡, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑢𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑐ℎ𝑢𝑟𝑐ℎ 𝑠𝑢𝑝𝑝𝑜𝑟𝑡𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑎𝑑𝑜𝑝𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑜𝑓 𝑠𝑖𝑚𝑖𝑙𝑎𝑟 𝑝𝑜𝑙𝑖𝑐𝑖𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑚𝑎𝑦 ℎ𝑒𝑙𝑝 𝑝𝑟𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑚𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑑𝑢𝑐𝑡 𝑖𝑛 𝑜𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑜𝑟𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑧𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛𝑠 𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑤𝑖𝑑𝑒,” 𝑊𝑒𝑏𝑒𝑟 𝑠𝑎𝑖𝑑.
Weber's eyes are brown because he is full of shit.
And everybody's eyes are burning cause he is blowing smoke up their ass.
“ He feared that this bill would be a slippery slope to ending the sanctity of Confession and added that opponents were “legislating a vendetta.”
More than 55 years ago, there was a huge rally at the university of Hawaii against the Vietnam war. One of the speakers was comedian Alan Sherman, who is probably forgotten by just about everybody who isn’t old. He was commenting in his speech about Nixon saying that the United States would “lose face” if it unilaterally ended the war and sued for peace. Sherman‘s response: “the face of this country is not worth the life of my son.“
I think Sherman’s response is appropriate here. The sanctity of confession is not worth the wreckage of my son’s or my daughter‘s life. The rather privileged belief that a law like this was legislating a vendetta is also not worth the wreckage of my sons or my daughter’s life. What privileged religious people may believe others think of them is also not worth the wreckage of my son’s or daughter’s life.
But underneath all of this is one hell of an admission. They know that the abuse is going on. And they don’t fucking care. They would rather blame drag queens, gay people, and transgender people for the abuse that God‘s representatives are visiting on innocent children. This is what they’ve been doing for years, decades, centuries, especially the Catholic Church. That little abuse scandal is at least 1000 years old
And that’s says worlds about what they actually believe and value.
The "sanctity of confession," and indeed the concept of religious sanctity, full stop, is a load of hooey. The Catholic Church overuses words like sanctity (presuming it didn't INVENT the word, flat out!) to establish and hold its self-presumed authority over its sheep ... oops, I meant "parishioners." And that's just part of a systematic process of brainwashing and indoctrination which they have been about since the inception of Roman Catholicism.
And breaking the sheep of their shepherd will take no small amount of effort.
Postscript: I remember Allan Sherman. He was great fun back in the day, and you haven't lived until you've heard his symphonic work. "Symphonic work?!?" Oh, you betcha!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9tnOWAillk
A brilliant man whose career was cut tragically short.
He was pretty funny. But he wasn’t funny at that anti-war rally. I think his celebrity really helped
Frankly the whole confession thing just sounds like "gathering blackmail material so I can shame you into doing what I want" in a fancier outfit to me. Probably because that's exactly what it is.
Hello Muddah, hello Faddah, here I am at Camp Grenada...yes, I'm old.
No worries. You're in good company there!
You young people are always complaining about being old..
Ah yes … Sherman’s reference to his son and …
THE AMERICAN WAR IN VIETNAM is very meaningful.
… 🦘🦘🦘
I was there. Fortunately, not in Vietnam.
THE AMERICAN CATHOLIC WAR IN VIETNAM, a money maker for some fat boys at home …
Estimates of the total number of bomb craters created during the Vietnam War (including Laos and Cambodia) vary, but recent studies using declassified satellite imagery suggest the number is well into the millions, with one study identifying over 500,000 in only two specific, heavily bombed study areas.
Key figures regarding the scale of the bombing and resulting craters include:
Total Bombing Scale: Between 1965 and 1975, the U.S. and its allies dropped over 7.5 million tons of bombs on Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia, which is more than double the amount dropped on Europe and Asia during all of World War II.
Detected Craters: A 2024 study using machine learning and KH-9 satellite imagery identified over 541,000 bomb craters (442,157 in Quang Tri province and 99,241 in a tri-border area) in just two specific study regions.
Widespread Impact: The total number of craters across all affected areas in Southeast Asia is estimated to be in the millions. One, albeit extreme, estimate often cited in historical discussions suggests as many as 26 million bomb craters were left behind across the region. These craters could be 6 feet deep or deeper.
Regional Concentration: Laos is considered the most heavily bombed country in the world per capita, with over 2 million tons of bombs dropped, resulting in widespread, dense areas of craters.
Impact on Land: It is estimated that roughly 20% of the land in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia remains contaminated by unexploded ordnance (UXO).
These craters, along with unexploded bombs (often 10% or more of those dropped), continue to pose significant dangers, with tens of thousands of people killed or injured in the decades following the war.
… that’s the WONDERFUL CHRISTIAN AMERICA the rest of us are forced to share the planet with.
MURDERER DONALD certainly is not the first MURDEROUS US PRESIDENT.
… 🦘🦘🦘
I know what you mean and I understand your anger. We’ve been watching a show called “Homeland”. You listen to all of the very politically-involved people talking about bombing this and bombing that, spreading more death and destruction, with no end in sight.. they don’t care as long as it’s not happening to them
Influence from the Vietnamese Catholic Church, the American Catholic Church, and the Vatican became a factor in the foreign policy decisions by the Eisenhower Administration as they related to Vietnam. These decisions led to direct involvement in Vietnam and eventually the AMERICAN WAR IN VIETNAM.
CHRISTIANS and their despicable hate of communism !
And I bet that 99.9% of so called American Veterans have no idea of all this stuff their country dumps them into.
… 🦘🦘🦘
Penitent: Father forgive me for I have sinned. I molested children.
Priest: Me too! Got any favorites I should take out for a spin?
Uncannily accurate.
Baby steps.
Unfortunately, this baby is 2000 years old.
An in that time has matured not in the least measure.
Well, to be fair, once secularists succeeded in moving them out of positions of power, the crusades, witch burnings, and inquisitions got tamped down quite a bit. Of course, we know they'd fire them up again if they ever regained any of their former political power.
That’s what happened in the Third Reich.
And not just regarding sexual abuse.
MAGA, Christian Nationalism, National Socialism, Fascism, Marxism (as applied in the former Soviet block and China; and still in North Korea) and the effects of late-stage capitalism are showing us that morally and ethically, societies have not made nearly as much progress in the last 2000 years as we like to think we have.
The 20th century featured a record number of ethnic cleansings and mass murders.
𝐼𝑓 𝑦𝑜𝑢 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑟𝑎𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑟 𝑝𝑟𝑜𝑡𝑒𝑐𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑛 𝑘𝑖𝑑𝑠, 𝑡ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑦𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑜𝑟𝑔𝑎𝑛𝑖𝑧𝑎𝑡𝑖𝑜𝑛 𝑠ℎ𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 𝑗𝑢𝑠𝑡 𝑎𝑑𝑚𝑖𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑓𝑒𝑡𝑦 𝑜𝑓 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑖𝑠𝑛’𝑡 𝑎 𝑡𝑜𝑝 𝑝𝑟𝑖𝑜𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑦.
When has the safety of children 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 been a priority for the Church? It has always been about power, and protecting the powerful. They will continue to protect priests over kids to maintain that power. They will never admit to it to protect the reputations of the powerful.
A useless bill that still shields xtian child rapists and their enablers.
Ba-da-bing.
So, Kansas bought a pig and piled on the lipstick.
Just one more lipsticked pig among an entire field of lipsticked pigs.
So, Kansas priests are now mandated reporters for child sex abuse ... EXCEPT when that information comes through the confessional. I have to ask a question: that being the case WHEN does the Kansas state legislature expect ANY priest to report ANYTHING? On top of that, since this bill will doubtless become common knowledge to Kansans, why would anyone admit to any such transgression anywhere other than the confession booth?
From where I sit, the bill is useless, WORSE than useless, because it pretends to fix something while supplying an obvious loophole. Bluntly foolish.
That loophole will be used by abusers to connect with other abusers to facilitate more abuse.
Of course it will. Kansas state legislators demonstrate a degree of cluelessness which goes a fair distance beyond disturbing.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least that the Kansas state legislators have plenty of skeletons in their closets that the police should look into!
"The Church’s child protection policies have been highly successful in preventing and responding to misconduct..."
If that were at all true, this website would be missing at least a third of its content.
Generally speaking, Christian churches do not and have not done a good job of policing their own membership in regard to sexual misconduct, even that misconduct that involves children. Policy change is lovely, and it would be a reasonable start, but unless and until churches start actually insisting on better behavior nothing will change. The problem here is the nature of the authoritarian culture so common to Christian churches combined with a refusal to allow anyone outside the church to assist when the issue arises; policy changes do not typically address that. What is needed here is a cultural shift to insistence on better behavior, not just a change in policy that won't be enforced anyway.
Surprise me, Christians. Make that shift and show what family values is really supposed to be about.
It's Monday, February 23rd, 2026. Is he dead yet?
Not yet. Damn. How can someone with all his physical and mental problems still be breathing?
Proof there is no god.
Sure there is. His deal isn't with Lucifer. Lucifer like humanity more than that.
If one has sexually abused a child -- or anyone, for that matter, the Confessional and the Rite of Penitence should not be a cover for legal accountability for that crime.
A great time to receive absolution of the sin of sexual abuse of another person is BEFORE that action occurs. If therapy is required in order not to offend, then the potential abuser should seek therapy. Once the abuse occurs, a victim is involved (the person who was abused) and shielding the perpetrator from the consequences of sexually abusing another person re-injures the victim and allows the perpetrator to re-offend, without consequences.
If one willfully sexually abuses another person, that abuser deserves pretty much whatever punishment they receive.
I've forgotten who it was that suggested that absolution be withheld in such cases, pending a separate confession: to local law enforcement. The Church will never go for it, but there's no changing the fact that should be SOP.
It's been suggested several times by a number of individuals, including myself. There really is no reason at all that absolution should not include going to the authorities to admit the crime and acceptance of the state-mandated punishment for said crime; other than that 'might keep people away from confession!!!' so often touted by priests. If someone is kept away from confession by the possible consequences of their actions, then it's pretty obvious to me they aren't nearly as sorry as they're claiming.
I've pointed this out to the religious several times: if a mandatory reporting law causes abusers to not confess their crimes to their priests, then that changes 𝘢𝘣𝘴𝘰𝘭𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 from the status quo, which is that the priests hear their confessions and then keep them secret. Either way, the 𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘳 authorities don't know about and can't prosecute the crimes- but with a mandatory reporting requirement, the circle-the-wagons effect of abuser priests "confessing" to each other and having a giggle at what they've gotten away with might be somewhat weakened. There are potential upsides to such laws, while the downsides are entirely meaningless.
If priests were actually looking to end child abuse they would require the abuser to turn themselves in. But since the majority of people who will confess this to a priest are their fellow priests they never will require them to turn themselves in.
I suggested that but I doubt it was an original thought.
Not everything has to be completely original.
Many of Liszt's pieces were built on pieces Schubert composed; and Schubert's pieces were built on pieces Beethoven composed; and Beethoven's pieces were built on pieces that Haydn and Bach composed.
Each one of these composers wrote their own, individual music in their own, individual style; but all of them were influenced by, and indebted to, composers who lived before them.
I'm a composer. I'm strongly influenced by Steve Reich and John Adams; Ferruccio Busoni; Franz Liszt -- and Alfonso X Il Sabio (Spain, 12th century), Leonin and Perotin (12th-13th century).
Your suggestion is quite valid.
Speaking for myself a Christian, I can support a separate confession to local law enforcement COMPLETELY.
Too often, we Christians indulge in "cheap grace": we tell God we have sinned; or tell a priest we have sinned, get our absolution, and go off and do the same damn thing again.
When our actions -- be they sexual abuse, physical abuse, or even spiritual abuse --have severely damaged someone, part of the grace of absolution has to include ACCOUNTABILITY FOR OUR ACTIONS. Saying that our transgression is "covered by the Blood of Jesus" DOES NOT CUT IT.
I've said it many times, here and elsewhere: Sin is ONE thing. Crime is ENTIRELY ANOTHER. Priests can absolve sin all they want. That has NO EFFECT OR IMPACT WHATSOEVER on the CRIME.
BINGO!!!
Frankly I'm surprised even the completely toothless version was allowed to be brought to the floor for a vote, considering some of the other absolute bullshit the Kansas legislature has been getting up to lately. If a piece of performative legislation concerning clergy was in the pipeline, I'd have expected it to be something that asserted their total immunity from secular law, rather than something that asks them to comply with it.
And where is the xtian god in all this? Why isn't it smiting all those who harm children? Especially those who claim to speak for that god?
Either said god is deaf and blind or it approves of its agents on Earth violating the bodies and minds of innocents.
🎶 Jesus loves the little children, all the children of the world...🎶
just not enough to help them when they are hungry, sick, or abused.
Or the third most likely option is that GODDYBITCH DOES NOT EXIST! Every one here already knows that!
Well, not quite everyone. (cough, cough, DG, cough)
Nor the meaning of the phrase: Burden of Proof
See what I mean about him repeating the same errors after having been endlessly corrected?
True, then why does davyboy come here. If he is unwilling to learn, is he trying to convert us. Good luck with that!
[TS hands DA a bottle of Dayquil.] You should do something about that cough, really!
Thanks. Over ice with a dash of Amaretto, I can actually put down a fair amount of that stuff. But I do have to be careful about operating heavy equipment (and man do I have some heavy equipment) 😜.
Ooooo, HEAVY equipment! 😁
Will Mrs. Anyway verify that?
Not the friendly Mr. Carpenter, who claims to be a good guy, but yet still is here to tell us what the good xitians do. Fuck that shit.
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According to Mr. Graf, if God intervened we couldn't make moral choices and we'd all be robots.
🙄
I was bored Friday.
He's utterly clueless after all these years. This is what religion does to the intellect; the damage it causes.
Yet, gawd could have created us with the inability to make immoral choices. Problem solved.
[“The Church’s child protection policies have been highly successful in preventing and responding to misconduct]
I suppose that technically could be true depending upon the parameter of time you are using. If you are talking about last Tuesday when a majority of priests had the flu and were bedridden, this statement could technically be correct.
If you are talking about the history of the Catholic church in the United States, well, might want to grab the fire extinguisher for your pants, Liar.