Few things could be more damaging to organized religion than genuinely teaching comparative religion, and the historicity of religion to teenagers. The evangelicals want their religion inserted in the public schools, where it would be taught as fact. Their obsession with indoctrinating children before they have reached the age of reason speaks directly to just how weak their arguments are.
When I was a kid, my pentecostal church youth group made a few trips to worship services of other religions, in an effort to promote understanding of others. Why are the fundies so upset about that sort of thing now? (No need to answer, we all know why.)
We studied various world religions in literature in high school, a great way to learn about all the conflicting stories in many religions and so many similarities!
And would someone please inform Christians that Allah of Islam and God of the Bible are the same "being"? They get so hostile when you tell them that!
"They were not informed of the kidnappings, beheadings, slave-trading, massacres, and persecution of non-Muslims, nor of the repression of women — all done in the name of Islam."
That statement by the Thomas More Law Center lawyer makes it sound as if the lawsuit was based around the premise that "anything not overtly critical of Islam"="proselytizing."
This has probably already been said, but if they want students exposed to the bloody history of Islam, then it's only right and fair and consistent (yeah, I know) to expose those students to the bloody history of Christianity in the Middle East and Europe and just introduce them to the full Old Testament to show the bloody history of Judaism. Then when doing Asian cultures they can introduce the bloody history of Hinduism and Buddhism. I don't believe there is a single religion whose extremists haven't soaked it in blood.
I can quite honestly say I'm sick of religious people suing public schools over their own refusal to accept reality. I can't help but feel like it's part of yet another attempt to defund public education, and I'm starting to wonder if maybe some sort of penalty for losing these cases shouldn't be instituted for a while.
I also find it telling that these cases are near always brought by some extremely conservative Christian parent who doesn't want their precious little darling's bubble burst. That is in itself an indictment of just how weak Christianity is as a faith; it must be propped up by everyone to keep a kid on that path. I don't think the individuals crisis of faith is a societal problem, and I don't see why any society should need to prop up anyone's faith for them. Recent generations aren't leaving Christianity because they don't understand it or they don't remember it; they're leaving because they don't like it and have had more than enough. A few lessons on what Muslims believe isn't the problem here.
Also, I've about had enough of this idea that parents need or deserve more rights over their children's lives. Seems to me that part of the issue is how many 'rights' parents already have; in some cases parents seem to have the right to abuse their kids without a peep from the government. I'm not going to name names here (there really isn't enough space) but we do seem to find out how bad it was well after the fact, and homeschooling isn't helping. What I truly object to here is the idea that children are owned by their parents like pets, I feel like that's an unhealthy attitude stemming from and leading to bad ideas. Maybe I'm off base here, but some days it really does seem that way.
Remember, More went to his death because he was cock blocking the King. No matter what refined thoughts on law and virtue, religious or secular that you have, the axe will find your neck if you buck power and only rely on an imaginary being's power to protect you. Even if misinformation, lies or manufactured evidence is brought against you belief won't save you. That's the nature of the world.
That's what they did here, they brought their beliefs to battle with widely known facts, lesson plans, and common sense. And again emphasizes the point that as judges are appointed, zealots elected, lawyers indoctrinated or corrupted by the lure of lucre power will shift in other hands. The mom's just thought that power had already been purloined.
In catholic school in the 6th grade, I had an assignment to do a paper comparing religions and their beliefs. It was fascinating and the final straw for me when I realized it was all make believe - including my own faith. Maybe that's what they're afraid of.
He’s certainly been scarred permanently by his mother’s reaction to having to learn about Islam a couple of days back in middle school. But not by the fact that he learned something about some folks who are different from him. Parents do the damage more often than not and the right loves to claim the left and/or diversity is to blame. No assholes, if you wouldn’t get your panties in a twist over nothingburgers most of this crap would not affect you in any way, shape, or form. You are making the country go to shit. You are being divisive, not the folks telling you to please stop oppressing them. Die mad about it. And here’s a cape so you can be super mad.
I was one of those “latchkey” Gen Xers. My folks showed up for the obligatory band concerts and play performances but otherwise let me navigate my way through school largely unsupervised except for a time in middle school when I started conscientiously objecting to homework and earned a trip to the principal’s office and a parental phone call.
I would have thrown a fit if my parents tried to insert themselves into my school life the way today’s parents do, treating school like just another consumer service job that must cater to their incessant and conflicting demands. This is a Wendy’s you obnoxious Karens and Darens.
We could avoid a lot of the current era’s stupid human tricks if we could go back to the laissez fair attitudes of the “Me Generation.” Start ignoring your kids more, people.
We had the same idiotic whingeing in my area that a history class covered the emergence of Islam but not Christianity. True! What the idiots didn’t know was the history class the year before covered the emergence of Christianity but not Islam. History…something…chronological…something something.
Few things could be more damaging to organized religion than genuinely teaching comparative religion, and the historicity of religion to teenagers. The evangelicals want their religion inserted in the public schools, where it would be taught as fact. Their obsession with indoctrinating children before they have reached the age of reason speaks directly to just how weak their arguments are.
When I was a kid, my pentecostal church youth group made a few trips to worship services of other religions, in an effort to promote understanding of others. Why are the fundies so upset about that sort of thing now? (No need to answer, we all know why.)
We studied various world religions in literature in high school, a great way to learn about all the conflicting stories in many religions and so many similarities!
And would someone please inform Christians that Allah of Islam and God of the Bible are the same "being"? They get so hostile when you tell them that!
My Baptist elementary school taught us about Islam in social studies classes. We had to learn about the five pillars.
If you're less reasonable than an 80's fundie school... wow.
"They were not informed of the kidnappings, beheadings, slave-trading, massacres, and persecution of non-Muslims, nor of the repression of women — all done in the name of Islam."
Matthew 7:5 "Pluck the plank from your own eye"
That statement by the Thomas More Law Center lawyer makes it sound as if the lawsuit was based around the premise that "anything not overtly critical of Islam"="proselytizing."
This has probably already been said, but if they want students exposed to the bloody history of Islam, then it's only right and fair and consistent (yeah, I know) to expose those students to the bloody history of Christianity in the Middle East and Europe and just introduce them to the full Old Testament to show the bloody history of Judaism. Then when doing Asian cultures they can introduce the bloody history of Hinduism and Buddhism. I don't believe there is a single religion whose extremists haven't soaked it in blood.
Christians LOVE indoctrination into religion as long as it's theirs.
Imagine having kids learn about other cultures. The horror. Is that "woke"? I can never be sure anymore. /s
I can quite honestly say I'm sick of religious people suing public schools over their own refusal to accept reality. I can't help but feel like it's part of yet another attempt to defund public education, and I'm starting to wonder if maybe some sort of penalty for losing these cases shouldn't be instituted for a while.
I also find it telling that these cases are near always brought by some extremely conservative Christian parent who doesn't want their precious little darling's bubble burst. That is in itself an indictment of just how weak Christianity is as a faith; it must be propped up by everyone to keep a kid on that path. I don't think the individuals crisis of faith is a societal problem, and I don't see why any society should need to prop up anyone's faith for them. Recent generations aren't leaving Christianity because they don't understand it or they don't remember it; they're leaving because they don't like it and have had more than enough. A few lessons on what Muslims believe isn't the problem here.
Also, I've about had enough of this idea that parents need or deserve more rights over their children's lives. Seems to me that part of the issue is how many 'rights' parents already have; in some cases parents seem to have the right to abuse their kids without a peep from the government. I'm not going to name names here (there really isn't enough space) but we do seem to find out how bad it was well after the fact, and homeschooling isn't helping. What I truly object to here is the idea that children are owned by their parents like pets, I feel like that's an unhealthy attitude stemming from and leading to bad ideas. Maybe I'm off base here, but some days it really does seem that way.
"There is no God but Allah."
Christians don't even realize that Allah isn't a name. It's the Arabic word for God (al-illah, or "the God") and doesn't need a name.
Remember, More went to his death because he was cock blocking the King. No matter what refined thoughts on law and virtue, religious or secular that you have, the axe will find your neck if you buck power and only rely on an imaginary being's power to protect you. Even if misinformation, lies or manufactured evidence is brought against you belief won't save you. That's the nature of the world.
That's what they did here, they brought their beliefs to battle with widely known facts, lesson plans, and common sense. And again emphasizes the point that as judges are appointed, zealots elected, lawyers indoctrinated or corrupted by the lure of lucre power will shift in other hands. The mom's just thought that power had already been purloined.
In catholic school in the 6th grade, I had an assignment to do a paper comparing religions and their beliefs. It was fascinating and the final straw for me when I realized it was all make believe - including my own faith. Maybe that's what they're afraid of.
He’s certainly been scarred permanently by his mother’s reaction to having to learn about Islam a couple of days back in middle school. But not by the fact that he learned something about some folks who are different from him. Parents do the damage more often than not and the right loves to claim the left and/or diversity is to blame. No assholes, if you wouldn’t get your panties in a twist over nothingburgers most of this crap would not affect you in any way, shape, or form. You are making the country go to shit. You are being divisive, not the folks telling you to please stop oppressing them. Die mad about it. And here’s a cape so you can be super mad.
I was one of those “latchkey” Gen Xers. My folks showed up for the obligatory band concerts and play performances but otherwise let me navigate my way through school largely unsupervised except for a time in middle school when I started conscientiously objecting to homework and earned a trip to the principal’s office and a parental phone call.
I would have thrown a fit if my parents tried to insert themselves into my school life the way today’s parents do, treating school like just another consumer service job that must cater to their incessant and conflicting demands. This is a Wendy’s you obnoxious Karens and Darens.
We could avoid a lot of the current era’s stupid human tricks if we could go back to the laissez fair attitudes of the “Me Generation.” Start ignoring your kids more, people.
We had the same idiotic whingeing in my area that a history class covered the emergence of Islam but not Christianity. True! What the idiots didn’t know was the history class the year before covered the emergence of Christianity but not Islam. History…something…chronological…something something.