It's a double dose of bad. Getting chaplains in is the obvious bad, but getting paid professional and accredited counselors out is the subtle bad. If Republicans fail to get chaplains in, but use the opportunity to reduce funding for school positions, they will still have succeeded at their more subtle goal of undermining the public education system.
Christian parents scream that their kids are somehow being "groomed" in public schools. Will they be quite so vocal in their opposition to this bill's very REAL attempts at grooming children? Somehow, I doubt it.
When an idea is too absurd even for Texas, it's a bad idea and requires no further discussion. Conservative Christians simply CANNOT stop trying to force their religion into the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. Their obsession with indoctrinating children speaks directly to just how weak their message is. Chaplains in the public schools would likely cause far more problems than they would solve.
It's easier to get a gun in the United States than it is mental health care.
So let's remove even the limited free assistance we provide to kids and replace it with GAWD and prayer. Let's replace qualified experts with a book written 2000-3000 years ago in a different language to different cultures for a different purpose than providing sound mental health advice to kids. Let's set up another hurdle for kids suffering from depression and let's trap them in a guilt-shame spiral of "you're not Jesusing right or you wouldn't be depressed."
Aside from everything addressed in the article, how are the schools going to protect students from the Priests, youth pastors, preachers and ministers that have an outsized propensity for criminal behaviors with children? (And no desire to address the issue effectively.) This is only offering up our children to pedophiles and creepers. If there are no standards for what defines a chaplain, no licensing, certification, or oversight, then there’s no way to keep known molesters or abusers out or to stop them once they’ve gotten in the schools. And the fact that they will be pushing out the trained, licensed professionals, there’ll be no one left the victims can turn to for help.
What problem is this supposed to solve? None. The purpose was made clear that the only purpose of this bill is to get religious claws into the schools.
So, that whole idea of untrained Christian chaplains in Texas worked SO WELL that Iowa wants to follow suit? Ummm ... guys? Do I have to say it again? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." Yeah, yeah, I know, they don't want to hear it. They think that State / Church separation isn't a thing, and that the United States was founded as a Christian nation.
[ringdown tone] ... "Hello? Freedom From Religion Foundation? Yer gonna LOVE this one...!"
I was abused by Catholic nuns who were regulated. Nothing was done to punish them. I left all churches as I began my questioning teens. These headlines tell all:
Rampant child sexual abuse is occurring in churches — not at drag shows which the far-right wants you to believe:
When Republicans promote adding religion to a state run service, like public schools, they are trying to force their religion on everyone, but it’s not their only motive (maybe not the main motive). No, Republicans are looking to undermine and eliminate all services that aid the masses, in order to control them better and profit off them. What has been the Republicans’ most effective legislation for the past 50 or so years? Privatization. The military may be huge, but the vast majority of any work done is done by contractors, Lockheed Martin, Haliburton, and even some of the fighting is done by contractor security firms. Why do you think the budget is almost always rubber stamped by congress if not (as it was this year) inflated beyond what was requested? Charter schools are essentially private schools pretending they are public to get tax money. We can’t have single payer healthcare because everything must be privatized. Even those folks gunning for social security are forcing it to be privatized. By privatizing everything, only the wealthy can succeed and they have plenty of folks to look down on.
So, by pushing religion into schools, Republicans are using it to undermine public education, pretty much stating that religion is not effective at educating people. It is an insult to religion to be used as a poison pill, but the religious are too gullible to see it. Authoritarian government and religion go hand in hand, but only because religion is such a shitty tool.
I'd be shocked silly if there was a single school in Iowa that was farther away than a farmer could hock a loogie from the nearest church. I would be positively beside myself with amazement if there was even one child in that 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 who didn't have ready access to all the religion they could ever want, in a veritable cornucopia of denominations, if such was their inclination. The notion that 𝘢𝘯𝘺 problem the youth of Iowa are facing can be traced back to a 𝘑𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 is so shit-stupid it makes my brain hurt.
Instead of trying to push hogwash on kids, how about this instead?
"We should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. With it comes certain decency, humility and community spirit."
-- Carl Sagan, from page 434 of "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"
Would it be ok for unlicensed, unendorsed atheists to teach children in both private Christian schools as well as Sunday schools the scientific fact of evolution?
"If they pass a background check..."
Of course their church may be hiding pedophiles who would love to become school counselors.
It's a double dose of bad. Getting chaplains in is the obvious bad, but getting paid professional and accredited counselors out is the subtle bad. If Republicans fail to get chaplains in, but use the opportunity to reduce funding for school positions, they will still have succeeded at their more subtle goal of undermining the public education system.
Christian parents scream that their kids are somehow being "groomed" in public schools. Will they be quite so vocal in their opposition to this bill's very REAL attempts at grooming children? Somehow, I doubt it.
Christian children already have Christian counselling in their homes and houses of worship, Even more so if they attend private Christian schools.
Keep this crap out of public schools.
When an idea is too absurd even for Texas, it's a bad idea and requires no further discussion. Conservative Christians simply CANNOT stop trying to force their religion into the public schools, paid for with everyone's tax dollars. Their obsession with indoctrinating children speaks directly to just how weak their message is. Chaplains in the public schools would likely cause far more problems than they would solve.
It's easier to get a gun in the United States than it is mental health care.
So let's remove even the limited free assistance we provide to kids and replace it with GAWD and prayer. Let's replace qualified experts with a book written 2000-3000 years ago in a different language to different cultures for a different purpose than providing sound mental health advice to kids. Let's set up another hurdle for kids suffering from depression and let's trap them in a guilt-shame spiral of "you're not Jesusing right or you wouldn't be depressed."
I want to punch these assholes in the nose.
Aside from everything addressed in the article, how are the schools going to protect students from the Priests, youth pastors, preachers and ministers that have an outsized propensity for criminal behaviors with children? (And no desire to address the issue effectively.) This is only offering up our children to pedophiles and creepers. If there are no standards for what defines a chaplain, no licensing, certification, or oversight, then there’s no way to keep known molesters or abusers out or to stop them once they’ve gotten in the schools. And the fact that they will be pushing out the trained, licensed professionals, there’ll be no one left the victims can turn to for help.
What problem is this supposed to solve? None. The purpose was made clear that the only purpose of this bill is to get religious claws into the schools.
So, that whole idea of untrained Christian chaplains in Texas worked SO WELL that Iowa wants to follow suit? Ummm ... guys? Do I have to say it again? "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion..." Yeah, yeah, I know, they don't want to hear it. They think that State / Church separation isn't a thing, and that the United States was founded as a Christian nation.
[ringdown tone] ... "Hello? Freedom From Religion Foundation? Yer gonna LOVE this one...!"
I was abused by Catholic nuns who were regulated. Nothing was done to punish them. I left all churches as I began my questioning teens. These headlines tell all:
Rampant child sexual abuse is occurring in churches — not at drag shows which the far-right wants you to believe:
https://www.msnbc.com/the-reidout/reidout-blog/illinois-catholic-church-child-abuse-rcna86289
2019:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/religion/nearly-1-700-priests-clergy-accused-sex-abuse-are-unsupervised-n1062396
When Republicans promote adding religion to a state run service, like public schools, they are trying to force their religion on everyone, but it’s not their only motive (maybe not the main motive). No, Republicans are looking to undermine and eliminate all services that aid the masses, in order to control them better and profit off them. What has been the Republicans’ most effective legislation for the past 50 or so years? Privatization. The military may be huge, but the vast majority of any work done is done by contractors, Lockheed Martin, Haliburton, and even some of the fighting is done by contractor security firms. Why do you think the budget is almost always rubber stamped by congress if not (as it was this year) inflated beyond what was requested? Charter schools are essentially private schools pretending they are public to get tax money. We can’t have single payer healthcare because everything must be privatized. Even those folks gunning for social security are forcing it to be privatized. By privatizing everything, only the wealthy can succeed and they have plenty of folks to look down on.
So, by pushing religion into schools, Republicans are using it to undermine public education, pretty much stating that religion is not effective at educating people. It is an insult to religion to be used as a poison pill, but the religious are too gullible to see it. Authoritarian government and religion go hand in hand, but only because religion is such a shitty tool.
I'd be shocked silly if there was a single school in Iowa that was farther away than a farmer could hock a loogie from the nearest church. I would be positively beside myself with amazement if there was even one child in that 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 who didn't have ready access to all the religion they could ever want, in a veritable cornucopia of denominations, if such was their inclination. The notion that 𝘢𝘯𝘺 problem the youth of Iowa are facing can be traced back to a 𝘑𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘴 𝘥𝘦𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘺 is so shit-stupid it makes my brain hurt.
Go TST ! nast-c are so privileged they never though other groups can use the same weapons as them.
Instead of trying to push hogwash on kids, how about this instead?
"We should be teaching our children the scientific method and the reasons for a Bill of Rights. With it comes certain decency, humility and community spirit."
-- Carl Sagan, from page 434 of "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark"
To quote a Mississippi school child, "Jesus Christ!"
OT- This will surprise absolutely no one at all, but police body cameras are absolutely fucking useless if the police are allowed to decide for themselves who gets access to the footage: https://www.propublica.org/article/police-body-worn-cameras-no-transparency
The police cannot police the police. The police 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘯𝘰𝘵 police the police. Independent oversight is needed. 𝘞𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘵𝘦𝘦𝘵𝘩.
Would it be ok for unlicensed, unendorsed atheists to teach children in both private Christian schools as well as Sunday schools the scientific fact of evolution?
Sauce for the goose, after all.