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Rachel Baldes's avatar

Yeah asking me whether I prefer BJP policies over faith-healing missionaries is like asking me what flavor of shit I want sprinkled on my cupcakes. Can't I have no shit?

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larry parker's avatar

Well, the Shit, eggs, sausage and Shit, that's not got much Shit in it.

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Len's avatar

Or spam.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Baked beans were off.

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cdbunch's avatar

"Them black-eyed peas tasted alright to me, Earl"

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Len's avatar

I thought the duck was off.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

It did come at you with a knife, but can you blame it?

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Rachel Baldes's avatar

Sounds like the logical choice. Can I get the shit on the side?

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Holytape's avatar

If I can't shit on the cupcakes, then why would I bother baking them? Isn't that the point?

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Rachel Baldes's avatar

You may decorate your cupcakes however you choose. Just don't tell me it's medicine. Lol, this reminds me of a quote from Mr. Show "Don't shit in my mouth and call it a sundae". Sorry for the overload of scatological humor.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

It's been a long day. You were probably pooped. ;)

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Rachel Baldes's avatar

It was a VERY long day! But I got some good stuff done, so that was awesome.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

Was your reply intestinal?

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cdbunch's avatar

I haven't read the comments yet, but this stuck out at me:

Catholic hospitals, for example, may mix both religion and science.

Yes, to the detriment of their patients.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Absolutely! Because when there’s a conflict between dogma and best medical practices, dogma wins.

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

A few years ago kkkatlik bishops tried to limit pain meds Drs. could prescribe in hospitals. Their reasoning was "...suffering brings you closer to kkkrist." Talk about voodoo magic

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

That's a very Mother Teresa type statement isn't it?

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Straw's avatar

Yep. That was a nasty, evil, scumbag of a human.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Then there’s the denial of pain meds in childbirth because of Eve’s sin. I’ve heard of some hospitals still trying on this policy.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

They're barbarians.

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Straw's avatar

I learned a new word today. Detriment = skade, ulempe = for worse. Thank you.

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cdbunch's avatar

Glad I could help.

In the U.S. I just get called an elitist for having a vocabulary of more than 100 words.

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larry parker's avatar

Detriment is a perfectly cromulent word.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I keep forgetting English is not your first language. 😁

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Ask any woman who couldn't get a tubal ligation, or therapetic D &C.

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oraxx's avatar

The amount of fraud that has been perpetrated in the U.S. by phony faith healers is staggering. It's funny, but you never see these people show up in a children's oncology unit. I hope they pass this bill, and enforce it. Kudos for trying.

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Sean's avatar

I've heard there's a book about people who have undergone faith healing (and I think other types of woo) and stopped medical treatment as a result. On one page is their story, on the next is their Death Certificate. I'd be interesting in finding a copy.

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Sko Hayes's avatar

My cousin was a pediatric oncology nurse. She became an atheist because of it.

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cdbunch's avatar

The existence of St. Jude CRH is sufficient proof there is no benevolent, interventionist deity.

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Old Man Shadow's avatar

[And given how the BJP has suppressed religious freedom for non-Hindus across the subcontinent, the accusations that this bill is anti-Christian rather than pro-consumer aren’t far-fetched.]

That's exactly the purpose.

The BJP isn't a secular party. They're Hindu Nationalists and the goal is religious suppression, even if it comes wrapped in the seemingly good guise of protecting people from con artists. I strongly suspect the enforcement will be used to target Christians and Muslims while Hindu leaders can continue whatever practices and "medicine" they use.

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

Indeed, and Modi has made no secret of it.

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ericc's avatar

Yeah, the new citizen immigration act basically says the quiet part out loud. I mean it ranks Christians higher than Muslims, but at the same time it very clearly shows the BJP's desire to keep Hinduism in a dominant majority position, by law if necessary.

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Whitney's avatar

"Christian missionaries often set up “healing camps in remote areas, often far removed from the reach of adequate healthcare facilities.”"

Yeah, about that. Why is it acceptable for Christians to send missionaries to these remote areas - which incidentally, costs money, time, manpower, and who knows what else - before they send doctors and nurses? I understand that in the Christian outlook, they're saving souls which is more important to them, but the groups that send medical help always seem to be less religiously inclined, like Doctors Without Borders or some such. It's well known that some Christian churches have quite the nest egg available to them, and yet somehow, those people in remote areas get conversion first out of every potential kind of assistance they might need.

It's dishonest to come to people and convince them to convert on the promise of a better life after they die knowing it's possible to help them now if only the money were spent. It's dishonest to try and convert people based on the idea that their new god will help them as soon as he's invited in. Praying for people often looks innocent, but winds up being a social pressure to convert on a vulnerable individual and their loved ones with no real assistance being forthcoming at all. In these cases, it winds up being the absolute worst sort of hollow promise since no matter how faithful the individual becomes, they're still sick and still going to die of something that a loving god or faith-based charity could have treated.

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cdbunch's avatar

occasionally? You also live in Texas, correct?

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Kay-El's avatar

While I think this bill is a disguise to enable real persecution, I would like all the Christians in the US who complain they’re being persecuted, when they’re just plain bigots, to hear about this bill and stop moaning and bitching about being persecuted. Hmmmm, I guess that’s just magical thinking.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

I keep saying that Christians who live in this country and falsely claim that they're being persecuted here need a reality check. Namely by traveling to other countries where their brethren truly are being persecuted and standing in solidarity with them, facing some real persecution for the first time in their lives.

How many of them are actually doing this? Bet I can can count them on one hand and still have four fingers and a thumb left over. American Christians are far too comfortable and safe living in a country where theirs is the dominant religion.

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XJC's avatar

Delusional thinking...but your heart is in the right place.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Put another way- and let's just call this the First Law of Oppressive Fuckery- Any overly-broad legislation is intended to shit on someone who has less power than the person writing it.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Long-timers here at FA know how I feel about religion. ALL religion. How it needs to go away for the sake of humanity.

But arresting/imprisoning the faithful because they fell for the scams perpetrated by their religion's conmen preying on their circumstances? Oh, hell no.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

They learned that from Floriduh repukelicans.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

On the one hand, prayer is useless, and contributes nothing to medicine.

On the other hand, a prayer ban is 𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘰 useless, guaranteed to be enforced unequally, and that law is the 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥-𝘴𝘢𝘭𝘢𝘥-𝘪𝘦𝘴𝘵 word salad I've ever stuck a fork into.

It's a good idea to criminalize the substitution of magic words and woo for real medicine... but this is a shit-stupid way to go about it, and is most likely meant to be wielded as a cudgel against local religious minorities.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Christian missionaries are insidious. They actually interfere in interventions that might solve the problems facing the people they are proselytizing to. Many are missionaries as a kind of savior tourism rather than a desire to help, which is why they interfere in effective efforts. There have been countless cases of missionaries committing crimes against the people they are supposedly helping, the woman who pretended to be a doctor and directly and indirectly caused the deaths of numerous children.

Still, outright bans on praying for healing are wrong, ineffective, and harmful. If you want to curb missionary practices, setup realistic boundaries, prosecute the criminal behaviors and most of all, create a safe environment for all your citizens by improving living conditions investing in education, infrastructures, and social safety nets. Provide for your people so that they are not susceptible to the charlatans.

But it’s cheaper and easier to outlaw nonsense, and it’s more fulfilling to persecute minority religions, than to solve a problem. You’re all horrendous.

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Sean's avatar

"Savior tourism" What an amazing phrase!!! Sorry, but I'm stealing it.

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

Lourdes, fatima, and other huckster shaman healing tourism centers..

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Len Koz's avatar

I got a good laugh when they closed Lourdes during covid.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

No choice, even if they aanted to protest and "heal" Covid patients. It's managed by the catholic church but like almost anything who predate the 1905 law of church and state separation it's state property.

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Sean's avatar

They're like christian grifter* versions of the old Route 66 roadside attractions.

* Redundant, I know.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I can’t claim that it’s entirely original on my part, but use it freely.

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cdbunch's avatar

"create a safe environment for all your citizens by improving living conditions investing in education, infrastructures, and social safety nets. Provide for your people"

That, right there, is commie talk. "If you don't love America, I'll help you pack" (It really should be if you don't like actual Americans, I'll help you pack for your (one-way) trip to Russia)

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Did you hear about that influencer couple that announced they were moving to Russia because they were sick of losing their freedumbs over LGBTQ issues and Russia handles it better? They got to Russia and the government locked their bank account because they couldn’t explain where all their money came from because it was donations from their deluded followers online. They did a video about being pissed they lost all that money, but then took it down and did another video (a hostage video technically) claiming it was all their own fault and the Russian government is perfect and blah blah blah.

MAGAts will not learn anything from this.

I think the couple were from Canada, not the USA, just to be clear.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐥𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧𝐞𝐝 𝐢𝐧 𝐑𝐮𝐬𝐬𝐢𝐚: 𝐀 𝐂𝐚𝐧𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐚𝐧 𝐅𝐚𝐦𝐢𝐥𝐲’𝐬 𝐄𝐬𝐜𝐚𝐩𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐋𝐆𝐁𝐓𝐐 𝐈𝐝𝐞𝐨𝐥𝐨𝐠𝐲

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/disillusioned-in-russia-a-canadian-family-s-escape-from-lgbtq-ideology/ar-BB1iXjk3

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cdbunch's avatar

Are sure they're Canadians? Moving to a foreign nation and expecting them to speak English sounds very American.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I’d like to see them convince more conservatives to move there. In the same way I’d like to see the rapture take the Christians. Fantasy for the sake of not having to deal with their violent reactions to progress.

ETA, I wonder what their response will be when their sons are conscripted to fight for Russia in Ukraine or other fronts. I doubt they’ll be disqualified.

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cdbunch's avatar

They have 10 kids, what's one or two lost? There's still 8 farmhands/housekeepers.

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Zorginipsoundsor's avatar

I was wondering how long it will be before he gets drafted.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Wouldn't it be something if he himself got conscripted to fight in Ukraine.

That's why one must be careful what one wishes for. They might just get it.

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cdbunch's avatar

At least now, they have to find jobs.

I do not get the influencer thing. Why does anyone listen to these *kids*?

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

They were not young kids, they were adults with school aged children. They sold their farm to move to Russia.

There’s a reason more folks emigrate to the USA from Russia than the other way around.

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cdbunch's avatar

I sometimes wish I could be an influencer. Minimal work and maybe I could *influence* people to vote for sanity in November.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Hindu faith has faith healing too, we will have to wait and see if Hindu deities associated with healing priests are targeted.

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Len Koz's avatar

My money is on them not being targeted.

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Erp's avatar

I doubt anyone will take that bet. After all the government has been pushing Ayurveda by licensing practitioners, setting up schools, etc.

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Mr.E's avatar

UPDATE. said this before and will say it again, I hope grandma has a private autopsy done.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nex-benedict-died-suicide-medical-examiners-report-states/story?id=108093416

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Even if, and for clarity let me just switch out for a more appropriately emphatic 𝗜𝗙, the ME's report is completely on the up-and-up, it's still fucking murder as far as I'm concerned. Between the bullying, the beating, the local porker's victim blaming on body camera, the administration's total indifference, and probably a million other things big and small... otherwise-healthy teenagers do not commit suicide on a whim. They have to be driven to it.

But I still don't buy it. The powers that be in that town have way too much interest in getting this story out of the news, I'm a cynic to the bone, and leaning on an ME to fudge a cause of death is not exactly a novel trick in 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 '𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘺 country.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

Considering that Nex was not deterred by that porker and still pushed to press charges, it is highly unlikely they were distraught enough by the incident to attempt suicide.

The call to emergency services made mention of Nex posturing (like the football player that was saved on the field not too long ago) which is an indication of brain swelling from a blow to the head. Which is the main complaint from the fight.

I didn’t like how everyone was claiming that the other students had free speech rights to threaten and harass them, and a little water splash is not going to hold up in court as justification to beat someone. Well, not a court that isn’t trying to justify murdering someone over being LGBTQ.

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Joan the Dork's avatar

Yeah... 𝘰𝘩 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘯𝘰, 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘢 𝘧𝘶𝘭𝘭𝘺-𝘭𝘰𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘧𝘶𝘭 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘴𝘴𝘢𝘶𝘭𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘳! What in the whole of existence 𝘪𝘴𝘯'𝘵 justification for murder in this shithole country?

And I thought the symptoms sounded like head trauma, too.

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cdbunch's avatar

I agree with you, head trauma or suicide, Nex was murdered.

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Val Uptuous NotAgain's avatar

I’m to telling that the the folks that support Nex are not calling for these other children to be punished with violence, but rather we’re looking toward holding the adults that set up the situation more accountable than the children involved says a lot about who’s on the side for good.

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Straw's avatar

I lost my words.

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Maltnothops's avatar

I would contribute money for that.

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cdbunch's avatar

No mention of the Trevor Project.

An LGBTQAA2SI teen dies and they give them the Oklahoma Mental Health Lifeline which while I don't believe is so far gone as to say 'go ahead', I seriously doubt has the resources to help an LGBTQAA2SI teen in crisis.

https://thetrevorproject.org/

While I am skeptical of the OME's findings, I can believe Nex was driven to suicide by the cruelty of their peers and the cruelty and/or indifference of the adults charged with protecting them. The loss of what was probably the only supportive faculty member followed by the beatdown and the administration's response to it could have caused them to give up hope that it would ever be better.

The beatdown may not have physically killed Nex, but they were murdered just the same.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Yeah I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

About as far as I could drop-kick the Perntagon

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Holytape's avatar

Luckily, for the Prime Minister Narendra Modi and the Bharatiya Janata Party Hindu-based faith healing isn't magic, but real. Because reasons and such.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Wonder if Modi uses faith-based healing himself. Or does he go to an actual science-based hospital.

Need I even ask?

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

Mao made a big thing of traditional Chinese medicine, but when the crunch came he didn't use it. I imagine Modi is much the same.

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Len Koz's avatar

Is King Charles treating his cancer with homeopathy?

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Yet tell most Christians to stay home and pray to be healed instead of seeking medical treatment and they get offended.

Did we somehow embarrass them by showing their devotion and belief only stretch so far; that deep down inside they don't truly believe in prayer or Jeebusgod?

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I doubt it, although it may well be possible that he is having homeopathy as well as proper medicine, because although Charles is not the brightest button on the blazer, he is not totally stupid. I think the royal family only use homeopathy for very minor things like colds. (Having said all that, look at Steve Jobs. He was supposed to be clever.)

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cdbunch's avatar

Given what little I know of non-U.S. history, it probably still wouldn't be the shortest reign in British history.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

The shortest one in France lasted about 20 minutes. Louis XIX (non credited), abdicated right after his father Charles X.

The second shortest was Jean 1st the posthumous. He died after being king for 5 days, it was also his age.

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Straw's avatar

You triggered my curiosity. I have to look this up. Tomorrow. It's just past midnight here.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I believe Lady Jane Grey holds that title as the nine days queen.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Tudor vs Lancaster war or after ?

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

I need my eyes checked, I read that as "homosexuality."

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cdbunch's avatar

I suppose there are rentboys that desperate.

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Ethereal fairy Natalie's avatar

Poor guys. I feel sorry for them.

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Straw's avatar

I didn't know this. Too engaged (buzzy?) with king Harald and his troubles. He needed a pacemaker.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Google him and you will have the answer to your non question.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Sure doesn't like government-run healthcare and keeps reducing its budget (he favors private healthcare. Because of course he does).

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cdbunch's avatar

Private healthcare is superior as long as you have money. Ask Jeff.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

That and his picture.

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cdbunch's avatar

Well, he's in good company. A Catholic saint. (FB)

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cdbunch's avatar

Actually, that's a grave insult to dogs. To our canine friends, I offer sincere apologies for comparing them to the Ghoul of Kolkatta.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Good, you will live one more day.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

All that treatment at the finest hospitals in Europe and the US didn't save her from the Reaper.

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cdbunch's avatar

She was in Homer's way.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I should have read a bit further down before I posted shouldn't I? Again.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

All in all, a real-life Kobayashi Maru (no-win scenario).

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Sean's avatar

Yeah. With everyone trying to cheat. Only Mother Nature takes no prisoners.

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

I had to google that – which shows how useless I would be in any quiz about popular culture. Probably not that good on unpopular culture either.

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cdbunch's avatar

If you've ever read the (non-canon) novel, they all cheated. Scotty used a theoretical (but not actual) flaw in Klingon shields to blow up the ship. Math said they should blow up, engineering said they don't.

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Len Koz's avatar

But...the engineers at work keep using math!

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cdbunch's avatar

Yeah, well math says if you divide by zero the universe ends.

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Len's avatar

Only if you succeed.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

Like I say all the time, maths are evil.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

That's why I put the explanation of the KM in my post. I know we have a number of Trekkies here (like yours truly), but one never knows how many.

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Matri's avatar

Star Trek Online makes it an annual event, with rewards for running it.

The original No Win Scenario had you defending a stationary KM. Twink players broke it. Five cruisers literally "circling the wagon" was able to make it to over a hundred Waves. So the devs changed it.

Now the KM actually charges TOWARDS the enemies. It's like they are staffed by the faculty members of the Leeroy Jenkins School Of Dungeoneering. With tenure! *grumbles*

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Troublesh00ter's avatar

While I like the idea of targeting the brand of "magical healing" which I've seen too often practiced by American preachers, ranging from Reverend Ike to Jimmy Swaggart, the bill proposed here strikes me as being entirely too broad. Granted that prayer is utterly ineffectual as a curative agent, but that should not be considered criminal for the one praying. Individual freedom of speech should include prayer, regardless of its efficacy. The problem is trying to separate that from group prayers, led by someone who hopes to gain from that group's participation, and that could be a very difficult line to discriminate.

And somehow, I don't see this bill being edited to understand those subtleties. [sigh]

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

OT

Come and see the most photo-realistic and Biblically accurate film about Noah’s Flood ever produced!

https://noahsflood.com/

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larry parker's avatar

"Photo-realistic and biblically accurate" does not equal true.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

I couldn't help but notice that they swiped a scene from Jurassic Park (the ending where the T-Rex is bellowing while the banner falls from the ceiling).

Bet they didn't get permission to use the image. Spielberg and/or Universal should sue.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

Don't worry, god has forgiven them.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Christianity. The holy Get Out of Jail FREE card.

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Holytape's avatar

I just want to say, that in the trailer one of the "professors" claims it will just be like in the days of Noah. Which if I understand the original story, the time was apparently filled with wanton orgies and debauchery of all types, including that which can not be comprehended by mortal minds. So maybe this movie is about hope for the future. A blue print of sorts.

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cdbunch's avatar

Showing a penis on late night, pay cable is the same thing as a wanton orgy isn't it? I know I've rarely seen either.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

I eat any more wonton and I'll wind up weighing two tons.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

What about some gyozas ?

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

I never saw it, but we had a public access channel that briefly featured a masturbating clown.

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cdbunch's avatar

Did he get to finish before some prude flipped past the public access channel?

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Did his dick make a honking noise when he squeezed it? Did it spray like a seltzer bottle when he ejaculated?

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Guerillasurgeon's avatar

God help me, those people are academics – yet they are talking such fuck awful nonsense. Particularly the palaeontologist. I wonder if she'd ever get a job in a proper university.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

"academics"

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

Equals apologetics in jeezuzland.

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Black Hole and DM mourner's avatar

They are, until they show up at the EHESS* (Ecole des Hautes Études en Sciences Sociales) with their faucumentary and get thrown out manu militari.

* Also known as the cool place full of books where DM worked for years 😁

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Holytape's avatar

Well, it is an epic movie. The first few hours are nothing but women and children being drowned. The saddest part is when the camera follows this poor little puppy trying to swim for its life, only for it to cling onto the nearest floating object, which is the dead body of a little boy who was shown to being nice to the puppy before the rain. Don't worry, God drowns the puppy too. Then it's about 2000 hours of Noah and his family shoveling animal shit to keep the ark afloat in a sea of putrefying bodies. My only criticism of it, is when at the end Noah gets drunk passes out and Ham then sleeps with his mother, they didn't fully explore the notion that all of the grandchildren of Noah had to marry their siblings or at best there cousins.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

If all humans had been the product of incest, humanity would have been wiped out long ago.

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Holytape's avatar

Alabama begs to differ.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Where cousins are as close as brothers.

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Len Koz's avatar

Oh, Jesus Christ.

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Zizzer-Zazzer-Zuzz's avatar

He wasn't around yet. Maybe in the sequel.

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Len Koz's avatar

Nah, he was in the trailer.

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painedumonde's avatar

The comments are turned off for the trailer dagnabit.

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Len Koz's avatar

But of course they are.

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painedumonde's avatar

Don't they know that's against etiquette?

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Bagen Onuts's avatar

NO such thing when it comes to defending a supposedly omnieverydamnedthinggod incapable of defending itself.

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Matri's avatar

Etiquette is something only Godless Heathens like us have. Good Christians have no need for something so satanic.

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Kay-El's avatar

Can you say load of hooey? Of course you can.

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cdbunch's avatar

It's never good when a site supposedly about historical events starts off with a 'Donate' button.

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Click on the link and then click on "About." That tells you all you need to know about this dung heap of a crockumentary and it's so called "experts."

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NOGODZ20's avatar

Well, THAT was craptacular.

Only March 20th and 21st? Guess they know they'd be laughed out of theaters if they attempted a longer run. Wanna bet more people will be seeing THIS on March 22nd?

https://youtu.be/ewxS9Z-XXYo

Also out on March 22nd is IFCs "Late Night With the Devil." Hmm. Maybe the bible folk knew about these two and attempted to jump in ahead of them. Oh well. I'll probably see "Luca" on the 22nd anyway.

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Sean's avatar

While the bill is definitely about pushing back against christian evangelism, I can see christians calling for the same types of laws pushing back against things they don't like in the land of the free.

Wait a minute....

Um...

On the other side of the coin, christians safely coddled in the West will use this as "proof" if their own "persecution": Persecution by Munchausen by Proxy.

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Which is ironic because Baron Munchausen would absolutely despise that.

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