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Let's see here. This is PUBLIC library, using PUBLIC funds to serve the PUBLIC. Yet one person with Sincerely Held Religious Beliefs™ wants to insist that said library remain closed on Sunday because Sunday is special to HER.

Smells like Christian Privilege to me.

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I would say it's bullshit, but bullshit smells better than Christian Privilege.

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A bunch of Orthodox Jews and Seventh Day Adventists need to show up for the next meeting to agree with her and insist they keep the library open Sunday and close Saturday.

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And a Muslim delegation to lobby for Friday closure.

And a Norse delegation for Wednesday.

Others are available, I'm sure.

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If those folks were in that community, chances are they wouldn't have theo-fundi-nutters running their library board.

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The Cult Of Garfield to close all businesses on Monday!

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The downside is a lot of Republican's would be in favor of closing libraries on all holy days for all religions. That would effectively shut them all down and then they can blame someone else.

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LOL. Yes. Then convince the religious fools to honor the 1st Amendment's separation of church and state-- which has been severely damaged by our loaded with religious fanatics supposed to be Supreme Court.

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In the US, the week begins on Sunday. In order for the Sabbath to be the 7th day, it has to be Saturday. Not that this type of basic understanding of linear timelines ever mattered to Bible thumpers...

I have a neighbor who is elderly, recently widowed, has limited physical capability because of knee replacements, and who lives her life at her church or church-related functions. Another neighbor helps her with maintenance on her property, and his daughter mows her yard, for free. One day she lamented to me that it was Saturday afternoon and her lawn had not been mowed yet. I suggested maybe they were busy and would do it tomorrow. She immediately exclaimed, “Why would they do that??? Sunday is the Lord’s day!” Lol. I pointed out that weather doesn’t go to church, people have other responsibilities, and btw, I frequently end up mowing on Sundays. Also, why was she even upset since she would be at church all day and never witness it being done? “Well, I just don’t like it. People shouldn’t mow on Sunday cuz that’s the Lord’s day! I wouldn’t mow on Sunday. Why do you mow on Sunday?!” Well, because I’m not religious and Sunday is just another day with weather and grass that might need mowing. Also, you don’t mow, so it shouldn’t matter. They mow, for free. FREE.

Btw, her deceased husband mowed on Sundays too. No biggie. What is the biggie to her, and to people like her, is that they get their opportunity to preach moral authority to others, thump their Bible, and attempt to impose their religious beliefs upon others. They demand that behavior be protected by law under “freedom of religion” and now they demand the right to inject it into government. Separation of church and state is a founding principle in this country and we had better start enforcing it more aggressively or else all the zealots installed in our government will keep making it legal, and eventually mandatory, that their religions get to make the laws.

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Mowing on Sunday is ok, it's picking up sticks that will get you in trouble. ; )

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I've always said Styx and Sabbath would have made a great double act.

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Or steadying an Ark that is about to fall!

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No win situation. If it had touched the ground YHWH would have taken out half the tribe.

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The original Trolley Problem.

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I can't help but notice how Yahweh so frequently manages to get either his people or his people and his dubious self into lose-lose situations!

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

𝐼𝑛 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑈𝑆, 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑒𝑒𝑘 𝑏𝑒𝑔𝑖𝑛𝑠 𝑜𝑛 𝑆𝑢𝑛𝑑𝑎𝑦. 𝐼𝑛 𝑜𝑟𝑑𝑒𝑟 𝑓𝑜𝑟 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑆𝑎𝑏𝑏𝑎𝑡ℎ 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 7𝑡ℎ 𝑑𝑎𝑦, 𝑖𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑠 𝑡𝑜 𝑏𝑒 𝑆𝑎𝑡𝑢𝑟𝑑𝑎𝑦.

It's a nice try, but the state calendar (Sunday 1st) and the Christian religious calendar (Sunday 7th) don't necessarily have to agree. Thank goodness. It's why Easter (religious) sometimes gets covered by Spring Break (secular, state-dependent) and sometimes not.

As for your neighbor, yeah that sounds like something she needs to work out with her mower. If it's free help, I wouldn't complain. If her complaints about free help drive that help away, that's on her. If it's paid it sounds like a bit of a business opportunity. "Mowing Saturday instead of Sunday? Ooooh. That's extra."

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The state calendar is what matters, cuz they are talking about government functions versus religious preference. As mentioned in the article, the Sabbath isn’t identical for everyone, not even for all religions.

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Tell her to have desert xeriscaping installed. No mowing ever; it's all rock.

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Artificial lawn.

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I love how she arrogantly uses the term "our" best interests. So typically Christian.

What you mean WE, kemosabe?

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She has a difficult time grasping the concept that one can be American without being Christian.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

"I used to be a Catholic. Now I'm an American. Ya know, ya grow."

-- George Carlin

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Or, one can be an American. without being from the USA.

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Of course. I usually call people from USA for USAians. They are American too, but so are people from Mexico, Chile, Cuba, Argentina and Brasil, among others, too.

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OT regarding the article on the pastor that said autism is demonic and his god don’t make junk. He resigned from the school board.

https://www.ky3.com/2023/09/13/richland-mo-pastor-resigns-stoutland-mo-school-board-amidst-backlash-autism-comments-during-sermon/?outputType=amp

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GOOD! It'd be nice if he learned a lesson from this, but ... hell, who am I kidding? 🤦‍♂️

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Good!

Forced from power in disgrace. Gladdens the heart.

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I liked how he tried to backtrack. “ I wasn’t saying the people were junk, just the part of them I don’t like is junk.” Specifying that the autism is what’s junk not the kids. Just stop digging dude. Hang your head, eat the crow and go home.

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He's not trying to stigmatize them. He's just trying to stigmatize...

Okay, let him come in again...

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"He resigned from the school board."

To focus on his congressional campaign.

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Hail Frøya. Good to hear.

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Yes!

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Something I've often wondered about is how these religious folks that have a weekly holy day find work. Every job I've ever had has insisted I be available to work every day of the week, and for as many hours as they could get away with. I assume that the majority of them are finding work within their community and as a result, the business they're employed by is closed that day anyway; but that really doesn't explain how money is getting into that religious community in the first place.

Considering the whole conflict between Christians who want to eat out on Sundays vs. the wait staff that typically don't get tipped well working that day, I honestly don't see any reason to care what some self-righteous board member thinks about keeping Sundays 'holy'. Unless there's a valid reason to close on a particular day of the week, the public library should be open when the public needs to access it for the most part. Sunday is a day quite a lot of folks have off every week, making it a good day to do things like going to the library; closing that day would just reduce the value of having a public library in the first place. I'm not sure it was the intent, exactly, but this sure looks like an attempt to undermine public libraries. Again. As if the book bans, attacks on staff, and other 'protests' weren't enough to convince any sane person Christians hate knowledge and learning.

Why do we listen to Christians on this sort of thing again? I keep forgetting.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

While I was serving in Vietnam, I worked 9 days on/one day off at one Air Base and 12 days on/one day off on a TDY to another Air Base.

Xtians are snowflakes.

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I think I had 1 day "off" during deployment to Desert Storm. It wasn't really off, and nowhere to go/nothing to do anyway.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 14, 2023

Stateside duty was a bit of shock after 'Nam and its 12-hour days. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. What a difference.

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Welcome home. 💚

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

Thank you. You as well. ✌

Best ✈ ride home ever for us, eh?

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

It beat flying home in cargo...in a box. 😉

I deployed out of West Germany...we landed in Rome en route for refueling, in Athens on the way home. Two cities I'd love to visit....and we didn't even leave the plane. Oh well.......😉

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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/colorado/news/lauren-boebert-removed-beetlejuice-buell-theatre-denver/

In a revelation that surprised no one, Rep. Boebert does not know how to conduct herself during live performances.

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I almost posted that as well. She said "Do you know who I am?" Nothing good ever comes of that.

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Correct response: "Yes. We do. That's why nobody wants you here."

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I lamented on fb that we couldn’t do that in the House. She rarely carries herself with decorum there either.

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The decorum only appears after she's been carried 𝘰𝘶𝘵.

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Only when she’s facing the consequences of waving her proverbial dick around.

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Social skills are for little people.

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Why a christian was at a Beetlejuice performance ?

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She wanted to make sure the beetles had four legs.

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And could sing in Scouse accents.

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“ British evolutionary biologist and geneticist J.B.S. Haldane quipped that if a god or divine being had created all living organisms on Earth, then that creator must have an “inordinate fondness for beetles.” Beetles (phylum Arthropoda, class Insecta, order Coleoptera) account for a greater number of species than any other single group of living animal. Approximately one out of every four animal species on Earth is a beetle.”

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And they all came from one single beetle "kind" 4000 years ago. I remember doing some rough calculations for a creationist and we would have to be seeing either dozens or hundreds of beetle species every year.

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Especially if I’ve done too much meth.

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Thank goodness she wasn't armed (I hope).

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She probably was.

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Who brings a gun to a theater? Besides John Wilkes Booth, I mean.

(And HE was a Christian)

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All four of our presidential assassins have been christians, and one of them (Guiteau) was a part-time preacher/evangelist, to boot. Yahweh's batting a thousand.

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And those who tried? John Hinckley "came from a fine Christian family."

Sarah Jane Moore? Christian background (though she later turned to Judaism).

I'm seeing a pattern.

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And Giuseppe "Joe" Zangara, who tried to kill FDR, was a nice Catholic boy.

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Mental illness, schizophrenia, in Hinkley and cult indoctrination in Moore’s case are/were? huge determining factors influencing their behavior. Though in Hinkley’s case I too would kill for Jodie Foster.

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I doubt a MAGAt would find that comparison unflattering.

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She'd do well not to try that at Cleveland's Playhouse Square. I volunteer as a "Red Coat" at those theaters, and their security team uses magnetometers or wands to check all attendees.

She'd be lucky to get a refund!

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That’s why I bring rotten produce and a dead cat, if the production is sublimely horrible, regardless of magnetometers.

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Congresswoman Boebert with her inappropriate levels of angst, glee, and rudeness during the musical Beetlejuice would land her on Hannibal’s supper table. Brains would not be on the menu.

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Let her close the library on Sunday, and I guaran-fucking-tee you her next move will be to close it Monday through Saturday, too.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

You don't need a library when you only need one book. You don't even need to read it, either. The pastor does that for you and tells you which bits you need to know

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“Longer boats are coming to win us

They're coming to win us, they're coming to win us

Longer boats are coming to win us

Hold on to the shore, they'll be taking the key from the door

Mary dropped her pants by the sand

And let a parson come and take her hand

But the soul of nobody knows

Where the parson goes

Where does the parson go?” - Cat Stevens (Yusuf Islam), ‘Longer Boats’

The Paper Pope is as tyrannical as the Universal Pope. Both are twisted predators who justify their rape of their congregants through the Bible. An enlightened culture will send the predator/con artist to prison.

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Mm hmm. Christians are rapacious. They are never satisfied, so they must be challenged.

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Criminal Christians should be tried, convicted, and be exposed to cutting edge evolutionary theory so they can spend a lifetime studying their cells.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

OT

I see Putin is whining about Trump being "persecuted." Uh no, Vlad. That's "prosecuted." This is what comes from you refusing to speak English, even though you can.

On top of that, Mad Vlad also referred to Elon Musk as "outstanding." Great. Getting props from a dictator and war criminal. I hope Musk is cringing with embarrassment and shame.

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Musk. He's probably framing the statement.

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To be more accurate, he's probably having some flunky frame it for him.

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Muskrat? Feel 𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘮𝘦? We're talking about the guy who dropped $44 billion dollars on a social media company because he was afraid he'd get banhammered for his repeated TOS violations. I somehow don't believe he's acquainted with that particular sensation.

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I thought that maybe, just maybe, getting praise from Putin would be a bridge too far, even for him.

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There is no such thing as a bridge too far. It’s like asking if the RWNJs have hit bottom. No, and they never will.

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Sep 14, 2023·edited Sep 14, 2023

Guess I should've looked up the real meaning of bridge oo far. Didn't really mean what I thought it meant. Sure sounded good, though.

I simply meant that accepting praise for the Mad Russian would not be something Musk would want; that even he has his limits.

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I was about to mention actor depardieu but it seems he reversed his opinion on poutine* following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

* Not a typo.

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Poutine is to die for. Vlad, not so much.

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Yet it's how his name is written in French.

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Clever!

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Last month, the three of them also suggested disaffiliating from the American Library Association, calling it “ultra liberal” and criticizing it for opposing censorship.

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Whatever happened to, "Government has no right to interfere with my family and parenting"?

Government should never be the entity censoring ideas and books, motherfucker. That's a parent's job. My folks didn't try to get the government to ban R-rated films when I was growing up, they just didn't let me see those movies. Because they parented, jackass.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

Government has no right to interfere with Ms. Ottosen's parenting. But Ms. Ottosen's government has every right to interfere with your parenting.

𝐶ℎ𝑟𝑖𝑠𝑡𝑖𝑎𝑛, 𝑛.: 𝑜𝑛𝑒 𝑤ℎ𝑜 𝑏𝑒𝑙𝑖𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑁𝑒𝑤 𝑇𝑒𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑖𝑠 𝑎 𝑑𝑖𝑣𝑖𝑛𝑒𝑙𝑦 𝑖𝑛𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑒𝑑 𝑏𝑜𝑜𝑘 𝑎𝑑𝑚𝑖𝑟𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑦 𝑠𝑢𝑖𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡𝑜 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑝𝑖𝑟𝑖𝑡𝑢𝑎𝑙 𝑛𝑒𝑒𝑑𝑠 𝑜𝑓 ℎ𝑖𝑠 𝑛𝑒𝑖𝑔ℎ𝑏𝑜𝑟. - Ambrose Bierce, Devil's Dictionary.

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BINGO! That Ambrose Bierce quote is MONEY!

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My parents usually watched movies with us, and even R rated ones, they talked with us about anything they thought needed more explanation. They did however, tell us that we weren’t allowed to watch The Lost Boys when it came out because there was a big hullabaloo about kids trying to be vampires because of the movie. When I did watch it some time later, I was confused about how anyone would be inspired by it. And I did remember a bunch of church ladies calling it Satanic and stuff. I didn’t get it.

Anyway, I think that was the one Coreys movie I didn’t see right away (Corey Haim and Corey Feldman).

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The vampire myth is a mirror image of the Jesus myth. Jesus offers everlasting life. The vampire everlasting life through taking life. Jesus light. Vampire death. Jesus dies for us. Vampire takes life for itself. The secret to immortality is to refrain from dying.

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I would think 'License to Drive' would be a worse influence on impressionable minds.

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None of them were very well written. But Corey Feldman was the bees knees in my adolescent mind. I liked that we were about the same age. Keifer Sutherland was also one of my favorites of the time, but more of an unreachable fantasy since he was older.

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Did that stop you from seeing R-rated movies?

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At the time, yes.

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It didn't stop me or any of my friends. If the person at the booth wouldn't sell us a ticket to an R-rated movie, we would buy a ticket to another movie and then go into the R-rated movie's theater.

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The one time it happened to me and friend (I was a senior, he was a sophomore) we decided to extend our day trip and went to a theater in OKC to see it.

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See what?

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I forget. Just remember the guy at the first theater (in Lawton) asked if he was 17, and we were too shocked to lie. The theater we went to in OKC didn't even look at us twice.

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Never understood how theaters could enforce those ratings. They were mere guidelines and didn't have the force of law behind them.

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Well at least you could see Arrr-rated pirate movies matey.

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If they really are closing one day to save money, what's wrong with Tuesday? Tuesday is a day when most other people are at work, the library workers can get a day off when they can go to the doctor or whatever and then people who only have Sunday off have access to the library. I suspect that if they surveyed the number of people using the library on those two days they would find that the numbers are more in favor of closing Tuesday than Sunday. They'll be able to fire one part-time employee if they close on Sunday? If they close on Tuesday they can still do that or fire a full-time employee (who works mon-fri) and hire another part-timer.

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Tuesday closings would piss off Tiw.

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But Tyr would be happy.

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But that would make sense. It would also defeat the real purpose of Christian Nationalist territory marking.

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I think 'best day/time' is likely going to vary by location. Sometimes idiosyncratically.

Our library is used a lot by school tutors to meet their clients and clubs to meet in the activity room. There's not necessarily any rhyme or reason to the meeting times they choose. Setting out an arbitrary block (Tuesdays!) is an okay solution, but it probably would negatively impact more people than doing an empirical analysis of use and trying to find a natural low point.

In our local case the low point might indeed be Sundays. Lots of parents want tutoring on weekday afternoons, not so much on Sunday mornings. But "we did empirical use analysis,and the analysis shows Sunday morning is our low point" is a fine and dandy secular way to determine when to cut hours. "Use Sunday to go to church, you dirty sinners," not so much.

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I did say "What's wrong with Tuesday?" If what's wrong with Tuesday is that it's the busiest day of the week, then fine. I only used Tuesday as an example because it is a random day of the week that is neither the end or the beginning or the middle. For some people Thursday is the end of their week. But the point is the day with the least historical attendance should be the day they close, iow- I agree with you that an empirical use analysis is more warranted than bible scripture.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

OT - The stupidity never stops with DeNazi

𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 𝐚𝐝𝐯𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐬 𝐚𝐠𝐚𝐢𝐧𝐬𝐭 𝐧𝐞𝐰 𝐂𝐎𝐕𝐈𝐃 𝐯𝐚𝐜𝐜𝐢𝐧𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐮𝐧𝐝𝐞𝐫 𝟔𝟓𝐬, 𝐜𝐨𝐧𝐭𝐫𝐚𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐂𝐃𝐂

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/other/florida-s-surgeon-general-recommends-nobody-under-65-get-the-new-covid-vaccine/ar-AA1gFMKI

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At least he’s consistent.

Consistently cruel.

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Also consistently stupid.

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I'm not going to read it. I see my cardiologist on Friday, no reason to give her more to complain about. Do they give anything resembling a reason?

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Ladapo’s recommendation states that the new booster was approved without “meaningful” clinical trial data performed in humans. “the federal government has failed to provide sufficient data to support the safety and efficacy of the COVID-19 vaccine,” it states.

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Depends upon which kids. The melaninicly challenged? Not a problem.

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He's so "pro-life." :S

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The virus certainly thinks so.

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Covid has more reproductive rights in most of the American South than their women.

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I recall a Jewish friend of mine relating that the wealthier folks would pre program all of their kitchen appliances to work for them on the Sabbath. Back in the day, of course.

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But seriously, the rule that you can’t lift a finger on the sabbath is asinine. You cannot live without doing anything, even if you can for one day a week, it’s really impossible. But that’s the whole point, isn’t it? To expect the impossible for a god’s blessing so that when someone finds they don’t get his blessing it is still their fault.

It also cements a caste system as well, as those who are in god’s good graces have the means to farm out the work they would do on the sabbath by paying goyim or just destitute Jewish people to do it for you, or by being able to pay for the luxury items that can do the work instead. Then they have excuses to shame the poor and lower class for not following god’s rules.

It’s all so very ridiculous.

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Medieval and Renaissance Jewish employed Christians servants to start fires on Sabbath. Source Fortune de France historical novels.

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Timed or automatic light switches and string boundaries to skirt the rules by designating the entire neighborhood as "home" are also pretty popular, for the Orthodox. It never occurs to them that rules-lawyering their omniscient, narcissistic, 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘺 𝘱𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 creator is probably not the wisest idea...

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You don't even need timed light switches anymore. You can just ask Alexa or Google to turn on and off lights (I actually do this in my bedroom, because some genius former owner rehung the door so the light switch is behind it. It's also handy to turn off the light once I've got my CPAP on my head and adjusted and have gotten in bed.)

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And even before the advent of Alexa or Google to turn the lights on and off, there was "The Clapper."

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My grandma had an even older device, it had some kind of squishy plastic box that you would squeeze and it would give out this wheezing whistle that would be picked up by the receiver plugged into the wall. You sometimes had to do it a few times to get the right sound.

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But clapping consumes calories. Would this not be work? Or is it OK because of the trees of the field will clap their hands, as we we go out in joy?

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Instead of going up and down, do Jewish elevators move right to left? ;)

(sorry, couldn't resist it. i'm bad, i admit it)

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2nd floor, hardware, children's wear, lady's lingerie

Oh, good morning Mr. Cohen, going down?

Shabbat in an elevator

Livin' it up when I'm Goyin' down

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Was putting dirty dishes in a dishwasher considered work?

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I got a news bulletin for those idiots. Force over a distance EQUALS WORK (a.k.a. energy). MOVEMENT equals work. Hell, their hearts work in their chests, or they'd all be pushing up daisies!

The whole business of "no work on Sundays" is purely asinine!

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No matter which of the six-days-of-work religions they belong to, I'm betting none of 'em would be very happy if all the utility and service sector workers took their preferred holy day off.

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I asked Jewish friends in the past about such things. If an emergency happens on the sabbath, a Jew is allowed to pick up the phone and call 911, 999 for my friends outside the USA, because saving life is more important that observing religious rules.

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Fire services. Police services. ISPs (losing internet today is almost as bad as losing electricity, though at least you don't lose your A/C for internet outages)

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Oh, hell, bet the FARM on that!

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Not so sure with Hasidic Jews.

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Well according to Maynard G. Krebs it is - “WORK!”

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The Idaho Orthodox Jews could simply have a Shabbos goy go to the library for them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shabbos_goy

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Where are the Muslims to demand the library close on Friday?

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Or better, where are the Muslims to blow up the library? It's filled with infidels who Allah commands to die.

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I'm not sure how to interpret this except to mean that she finds reading to be work. And for her, it quite possibly is--she's a christian, right? I mean, gawrsh, them there wurds is hawrd, ain't they not?

The simple, obvious, common sense fact is that getting to the library on weekdays is inconvenient for most working people, and the library should be easily accessible to as many people as possible, and often as possible. If Ottosen wants to sit at home one day a week and play with her crayons, fine, but where the hell could she possibly get the authority to force everyone else to?

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A person of her intellectual capacity would more likely 𝘦𝘢𝘵 her crayons than play with them.

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How did your fingers and lips get smeared with colors, Ms. Ottosen?

Jesus did it, sir! A miracle!

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Jebus gives technicolor facials? 😲

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If he did, it would probably be the outdated 2-color Technicolor.

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Voters. The 5 who bothered to vote for the Library board.

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Sep 13, 2023·edited Sep 13, 2023

As a rebuke to religious demands, our libraries here are not only open on Sunday, they have extended their hours. They used to open at Noon on Sunday. Now they open at 10AM.

Eat it, Ottosen. Choke on it.

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