There are 7 key Founding Fathers. That is to say, 7 who were instrumental in the forming of our country and its government. They are George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison.
Of those 7, only Jay was an orthodox Christian. Hamilton was a Christian only when it was convenient. He ignored it otherwise. The rest were Deists. Conspicuous by its absence? The name of Patrick Henry. Christians love to add all sorts of Christians to that list of principal Founding Fathers in an attempt to "stack the deck" in their favor. Too bad their deception fails.
Christians, acting in the name of Christianity, have spilled enough blood to float the Navy. Often the blood of the wrong kind of Christian, as defined by those doing the killing. Religion and morality do not exclude each other, but they are very far from the same thing. People who manage to convince themselves they're operating under divine sanction, are capable of any horror. Josh Hawley is yet another Ivy League lawyer with a Gestapo mentality.
Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to guess what slaveholders from 200 years ago meant, but do what is right for now.
Paraphrased from a meme I cannot find again. But seriously, however the founding fathers wanted to setup our government is less relevant than what we really need right now. The important part of what they setup is that the government is for the people, it has limitations to how it interferes in individual lives, and that it can be changed as society changes. Hawley and Barton and Gingrich and the rest of the Christian Nationalists are trying to rule by a dead book, creating a dead constitution, and providing a dead government. Our constitution is supposed to be living, our government should be adapting and we cannot survive using a dead thought process.
I wouldn’t expect anything less from a man who showed support for Jan 6th rioters and then ran like the scared little boy he actually is. It’s a shame that our country is still so wrapped up in Christian Nationalist bullshit.
Even if the FF were all Christians and founded this country on Christian/Biblical principles that doesn't make it right for today. Many of them were slaveholders and we don't accept slavery these days just because of that. Although, I don't know about Josh...he might just be on the slave holding side.
My crackpot ex's old man, who was an even bigger crackpot (and believer in every conspiracy theory every invented), once explained to me about all the christianity involved in the founding of the country. America was founded, he assured me, when the colonies went to war against the atheistic government of England. When I pointed out that England has its very own christian church, headed by the archbishop of Canterbury, he gave his unvarying response: "That's a communist lie!"
There is simply no way to win a reasoned argument with someone whose position isn't based on reason, and no amount of factual information can persuade someone with no regard for factual reality. As Gore Vidal used to say, this country got off to a bad start with the Puritans, and we've never recovered.
There is even more to this than what you have written, Hemant. This is from theKansas City Star:
"It’s only been a couple of weeks since Hawley decided to celebrate Juneteenth with a distorted history of slavery. “Today is a good day to remember: Christianity is the faith and America is the place slavery came to die,” Hawley wrote on Twitter. This is who Josh Hawley is: a politician who craves attention, even bad attention — perhaps especially bad attention — because maybe it will bring him the power he craves."
"America is the place slavery came to die."
I bet his nose grew 15 inches after telling that whopper. If this is not entirely accurate — I'm too lazy to look it up – it's close enough to show the character of this man. The last two countries to outlaw slavery in the western hemisphere were the United States in 1865, and Brazil in 1888. Most of south and central America had slavery, Buy got rid of a decades before the United States did. I think Perú was an 1831.
Why does it not surprise me that Barton et al. have fake footnotes? Like, if the book with a similar but not the same name does have the quote, why didn’t he get the name of the book right? Hawley is supposedly an historian too? Then he should know the minor allusions to god in the Declaration of Independence are not part of the rule of our government, and they’re not even really Christian. But that doesn’t comport with his really bad desire of a Christian nation. He really, really wants it to be true.
His projection onto the libs of being major triggered is textbook.
How much more does this petulant loser have to do for prosecutors to draw a line in the sand? I'd say "it won't happen until there's a body count..." but there already is a fucking body count! Enough is enough, already. Grow a damn spine and take his toys away, before someone else pays for his privilege with their life.
There's no surprise here. Seeing a fool like Hawley continue to spread falsehoods is only par for the course in the MAGAT cult that looks to change the USA into their version of Saudi Arabia/Iran/Iraq, etc...
If Christian Nationalists paid any attention to Jesus' words that his kingdom was not of this world then they would understand that there has never been and could never be a "Christian America".
There are 7 key Founding Fathers. That is to say, 7 who were instrumental in the forming of our country and its government. They are George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, Alexander Hamilton, John Jay and James Madison.
Of those 7, only Jay was an orthodox Christian. Hamilton was a Christian only when it was convenient. He ignored it otherwise. The rest were Deists. Conspicuous by its absence? The name of Patrick Henry. Christians love to add all sorts of Christians to that list of principal Founding Fathers in an attempt to "stack the deck" in their favor. Too bad their deception fails.
Christians, acting in the name of Christianity, have spilled enough blood to float the Navy. Often the blood of the wrong kind of Christian, as defined by those doing the killing. Religion and morality do not exclude each other, but they are very far from the same thing. People who manage to convince themselves they're operating under divine sanction, are capable of any horror. Josh Hawley is yet another Ivy League lawyer with a Gestapo mentality.
Maybe we shouldn’t be trying to guess what slaveholders from 200 years ago meant, but do what is right for now.
Paraphrased from a meme I cannot find again. But seriously, however the founding fathers wanted to setup our government is less relevant than what we really need right now. The important part of what they setup is that the government is for the people, it has limitations to how it interferes in individual lives, and that it can be changed as society changes. Hawley and Barton and Gingrich and the rest of the Christian Nationalists are trying to rule by a dead book, creating a dead constitution, and providing a dead government. Our constitution is supposed to be living, our government should be adapting and we cannot survive using a dead thought process.
I wouldn’t expect anything less from a man who showed support for Jan 6th rioters and then ran like the scared little boy he actually is. It’s a shame that our country is still so wrapped up in Christian Nationalist bullshit.
Starting from a story that became a myth that became a fabrication that became a religion that became an excuse that finally became a lie.
Nice.
Even if the FF were all Christians and founded this country on Christian/Biblical principles that doesn't make it right for today. Many of them were slaveholders and we don't accept slavery these days just because of that. Although, I don't know about Josh...he might just be on the slave holding side.
My crackpot ex's old man, who was an even bigger crackpot (and believer in every conspiracy theory every invented), once explained to me about all the christianity involved in the founding of the country. America was founded, he assured me, when the colonies went to war against the atheistic government of England. When I pointed out that England has its very own christian church, headed by the archbishop of Canterbury, he gave his unvarying response: "That's a communist lie!"
There is simply no way to win a reasoned argument with someone whose position isn't based on reason, and no amount of factual information can persuade someone with no regard for factual reality. As Gore Vidal used to say, this country got off to a bad start with the Puritans, and we've never recovered.
I'm sorry Hemant but no article about Hawley should be considered complete without that picture of him running away. Marks off for that.
There is even more to this than what you have written, Hemant. This is from theKansas City Star:
"It’s only been a couple of weeks since Hawley decided to celebrate Juneteenth with a distorted history of slavery. “Today is a good day to remember: Christianity is the faith and America is the place slavery came to die,” Hawley wrote on Twitter. This is who Josh Hawley is: a politician who craves attention, even bad attention — perhaps especially bad attention — because maybe it will bring him the power he craves."
"America is the place slavery came to die."
I bet his nose grew 15 inches after telling that whopper. If this is not entirely accurate — I'm too lazy to look it up – it's close enough to show the character of this man. The last two countries to outlaw slavery in the western hemisphere were the United States in 1865, and Brazil in 1888. Most of south and central America had slavery, Buy got rid of a decades before the United States did. I think Perú was an 1831.
Why does it not surprise me that Barton et al. have fake footnotes? Like, if the book with a similar but not the same name does have the quote, why didn’t he get the name of the book right? Hawley is supposedly an historian too? Then he should know the minor allusions to god in the Declaration of Independence are not part of the rule of our government, and they’re not even really Christian. But that doesn’t comport with his really bad desire of a Christian nation. He really, really wants it to be true.
His projection onto the libs of being major triggered is textbook.
OT- Can somebody please toss the spray-tanned shitmuncher in jail and take away his damn phone, already?
https://apnews.com/article/jan-6-obama-justice-department-capitol-mccarthy-27934bbd095111e7eb2bac5b5bb24e06
"𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘦𝘳 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘋𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘥 𝘛𝘳𝘶𝘮𝘱 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘯 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘰𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘮𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘢 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘦𝘳 𝘗𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘉𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘖𝘣𝘢𝘮𝘢 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘥𝘢𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘢 𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘨𝘶𝘯𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘷𝘢𝘯 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘯𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘺, 𝘧𝘦𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘭 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘞𝘦𝘥𝘯𝘦𝘴𝘥𝘢𝘺 𝘪𝘯 𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘯𝘦𝘸 𝘥𝘦𝘵𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘦."
How much more does this petulant loser have to do for prosecutors to draw a line in the sand? I'd say "it won't happen until there's a body count..." but there already is a fucking body count! Enough is enough, already. Grow a damn spine and take his toys away, before someone else pays for his privilege with their life.
In a letter to George Washington, Albert Einstein wrote: "The two most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen and republican lies."
(I can play this game too! And do it even better than Joggin Josh.
There's no surprise here. Seeing a fool like Hawley continue to spread falsehoods is only par for the course in the MAGAT cult that looks to change the USA into their version of Saudi Arabia/Iran/Iraq, etc...
"When David Barton is beating you in a battle of ethics, you have failed at life."
We already knew this about Hawley.
If Christian Nationalists paid any attention to Jesus' words that his kingdom was not of this world then they would understand that there has never been and could never be a "Christian America".
Well, you know Josh. He'll just take something and run with it.