Ugh! This is just so infuriating. I want to refute every point the curriculum makes but it’s just too much to take in one sitting. It’s a fucking Gish Gallop masquerading as education.
I will say this though, religionists demand atheists must learn their religion inside and out and read not just the Bible but all the apologetics and be versed in the verses and then research other religions as well before atheists are allowed to argue the conclusion that god doesn’t exist. However the religionists get to refute evolution with this willful ignorance of even the basic concepts of English (they don’t understand the meaning of the word theory) science and evolution. They constantly conflate evolution with abiogenesis and astronomy. But if an atheists misquotes or forgets the verse numbers from the bible, we’re the ignorant ones. Puh-leeeease.
“A body of students who have been taught hostility to non-Christians may also threaten a pluralist society…”
May threaten a pluralist society? May? Of course they threaten a pluralist society, we are seeing it in real time right now. There was a rash of pipe bombs made by homeschooled morons for political reasons. Local and state governments filled with unqualified, theocratic, pig-ignorant politicians creating laws that forward theocratic nonsense. Project Blitz. January 6th. And then some.
Martin Luther scored an own goal without realizing it when he famously stated the following:
"Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never come to the aid of spiritual things, but more often then not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
BJU press and Abeka aren't any better. Or at least they weren't when I was a kid in the 80's.
To be fair, the English language and Math education I received was very good at the time.
But the History was all right-wing, Lost Cause propaganda. (Our library had multiple hagiographies of Robert E. Lee that made the son of a bitch into a saint.)
The "science" was all fundamentalist lies. The social studies were also steeped in right-wing, Lost Cause nonsense.
I didn't learn about the true horrors of slavery, Jim Crow, genocidal campaigns, racial pogroms, and evolution until my late 30's/early 40's. Once I found out I had been lied to repeatedly, well, Hell, I'm still angry about it.
“If a man says that something is true, but no one has seen it happen, then it is only an idea. It is not a scientific fact. The only things that do not have to be proven by experiments are the things God tells us in His Word, the Holy Bible.“
"In evolutionary circles, a bird is considered more complex than an octopus."
Say who ?
"Yet, the eye of an octopus is much more complex than the eye of a bird."
From the babble, animals were created before humans who are supposed to be god's masterpiece. Yet insect eyes are better than ours. Prometheus and Epimetheus creation story is more logic than the christian one.
"If a bird evolved from the octopus, why does the octopus have a more complex eye?"
Someone never heard of Carl Von Linné and is not interested to learn.
By the way, multiple choices questions were only used in third grade for parts of history lessons in my time (late 80's). The rest of the time ? You had to think to write an answer who was not a carbon copy of the textbooks.
After consulting the Diocese of St. Petersburg, parents and other area Catholic schools, “we decided that we need to take maximum advantage of this dramatically expanded funding source,” Monsignor Robert Gibbons, the St. Paul pastor, said in a YouTube video the school shared publicly.
“Otherwise,” he added, “we would be negligent.”
So instead of paying $6,000 per child, families at the school who are St. Paul parish members will now be charged $10,000 per child. Nonmembers will be charged $12,000 per child, instead of $7,000. Discounts for multiple-student families will be eliminated.
No discovery of science has ever pointed to the truth of any religious doctrine, and has totally debunked some of them. The Biblical story of creation being chief among them. In a bizarre way, the Creationists have a point. If the Biblical story isn't true, then there is no need for Jesus. Rather than accepting the facts, they try to bend the facts to fit their preferred narrative.
Evolution is not the theory proposed to explain how "living organisms first came to be without a Creator and how they keep evolving into higher life forms"
It never ceases to amaze me how little Christians actually know. Evolution is descent with modification. You can't get descent from non-life, so evolution does not explain life from non-life. That's an area of science called abiogenesis and is an active area of study for many biologists. Science includes inductive reasoning. It was used to determine heliocentricity, gravity, and is used in most areas of science. When you invoke supernatural beings or processes as the explanation for something you don't comprehend, you are not using inductive reasoning, you are using religion.
Also, evolution is simply change in the inherited traits of a population through successive generations. This can be due to many reasons and not every reason yields "higher life forms". Evolution only leads to increases in complexity when complexity is beneficial to survival and reproduction.
I fear for the future of the human race. This sort of garbage moves well beyond 'what I want to believe' and into 'the land of pipe dreams and flights of fancy'. This isn't education anymore, this is just straight up indoctrination of children by people looking to ensure the fullness of future collection plates. Sacrificing science and math - which last I heard, we needed more people in desperately here in the US - for the sake of religious education is such a bad idea, you'd think George Lucas was involved.
This is the primary reason I want religion out of education: they just flat don't educate. They don't teach anything to kids in the way of skills or knowledge that will help them succeed in their adult lives. Education is supposed to produce productive, contributing, socially aware adults who do not, typically, need assistance from outside organizations (as in, the government or churches, mostly). The destruction of education undermines the US economy and ability to compete with other nations on the world stage among other problems. I'm sure everyone here is aware, but let me be clear anyway: 𝒘𝒆 𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒔𝒖𝒇𝒇𝒆𝒓 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒏 𝒄𝒉𝒊𝒍𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒏 𝒅𝒐 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒈𝒆𝒕 𝒂 𝒒𝒖𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒚 𝒆𝒅𝒖𝒄𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏.
I reject creationism then, I reject creationism now, and I'll reject creationism forever. This what is shown in those ACE garbage books is exactly why.
Rejecting creationism all the way is the right call.
Ugh! This is just so infuriating. I want to refute every point the curriculum makes but it’s just too much to take in one sitting. It’s a fucking Gish Gallop masquerading as education.
I will say this though, religionists demand atheists must learn their religion inside and out and read not just the Bible but all the apologetics and be versed in the verses and then research other religions as well before atheists are allowed to argue the conclusion that god doesn’t exist. However the religionists get to refute evolution with this willful ignorance of even the basic concepts of English (they don’t understand the meaning of the word theory) science and evolution. They constantly conflate evolution with abiogenesis and astronomy. But if an atheists misquotes or forgets the verse numbers from the bible, we’re the ignorant ones. Puh-leeeease.
“A body of students who have been taught hostility to non-Christians may also threaten a pluralist society…”
May threaten a pluralist society? May? Of course they threaten a pluralist society, we are seeing it in real time right now. There was a rash of pipe bombs made by homeschooled morons for political reasons. Local and state governments filled with unqualified, theocratic, pig-ignorant politicians creating laws that forward theocratic nonsense. Project Blitz. January 6th. And then some.
Martin Luther scored an own goal without realizing it when he famously stated the following:
"Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has; it never come to the aid of spiritual things, but more often then not struggles against the divine Word, treating with contempt all that emanates from God."
Exactamundo.
BJU press and Abeka aren't any better. Or at least they weren't when I was a kid in the 80's.
To be fair, the English language and Math education I received was very good at the time.
But the History was all right-wing, Lost Cause propaganda. (Our library had multiple hagiographies of Robert E. Lee that made the son of a bitch into a saint.)
The "science" was all fundamentalist lies. The social studies were also steeped in right-wing, Lost Cause nonsense.
I didn't learn about the true horrors of slavery, Jim Crow, genocidal campaigns, racial pogroms, and evolution until my late 30's/early 40's. Once I found out I had been lied to repeatedly, well, Hell, I'm still angry about it.
"[I]f fish evolved into frogs, fish should no longer exist, but obviously they do."
If man was created from dirt, why does dirt still exist?
“If a man says that something is true, but no one has seen it happen, then it is only an idea. It is not a scientific fact. The only things that do not have to be proven by experiments are the things God tells us in His Word, the Holy Bible.“
Special pleading. Your argument is invalid.
"In evolutionary circles, a bird is considered more complex than an octopus."
Say who ?
"Yet, the eye of an octopus is much more complex than the eye of a bird."
From the babble, animals were created before humans who are supposed to be god's masterpiece. Yet insect eyes are better than ours. Prometheus and Epimetheus creation story is more logic than the christian one.
"If a bird evolved from the octopus, why does the octopus have a more complex eye?"
Someone never heard of Carl Von Linné and is not interested to learn.
By the way, multiple choices questions were only used in third grade for parts of history lessons in my time (late 80's). The rest of the time ? You had to think to write an answer who was not a carbon copy of the textbooks.
OT - The grifting never stops
𝐀 𝐅𝐥𝐨𝐫𝐢𝐝𝐚 𝐬𝐜𝐡𝐨𝐨𝐥 𝐫𝐚𝐢𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐮𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐨𝐟 𝐯𝐨𝐮𝐜𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐬. 𝐖𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐟𝐨𝐥𝐥𝐨𝐰?
After consulting the Diocese of St. Petersburg, parents and other area Catholic schools, “we decided that we need to take maximum advantage of this dramatically expanded funding source,” Monsignor Robert Gibbons, the St. Paul pastor, said in a YouTube video the school shared publicly.
“Otherwise,” he added, “we would be negligent.”
So instead of paying $6,000 per child, families at the school who are St. Paul parish members will now be charged $10,000 per child. Nonmembers will be charged $12,000 per child, instead of $7,000. Discounts for multiple-student families will be eliminated.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-s-new-voucher-law-allows-private-schools-to-boost-revenue/ar-AA1bT6Al
Only repuklicans couldn't see this happening.
No discovery of science has ever pointed to the truth of any religious doctrine, and has totally debunked some of them. The Biblical story of creation being chief among them. In a bizarre way, the Creationists have a point. If the Biblical story isn't true, then there is no need for Jesus. Rather than accepting the facts, they try to bend the facts to fit their preferred narrative.
Evolution is not the theory proposed to explain how "living organisms first came to be without a Creator and how they keep evolving into higher life forms"
It never ceases to amaze me how little Christians actually know. Evolution is descent with modification. You can't get descent from non-life, so evolution does not explain life from non-life. That's an area of science called abiogenesis and is an active area of study for many biologists. Science includes inductive reasoning. It was used to determine heliocentricity, gravity, and is used in most areas of science. When you invoke supernatural beings or processes as the explanation for something you don't comprehend, you are not using inductive reasoning, you are using religion.
Also, evolution is simply change in the inherited traits of a population through successive generations. This can be due to many reasons and not every reason yields "higher life forms". Evolution only leads to increases in complexity when complexity is beneficial to survival and reproduction.
I fear for the future of the human race. This sort of garbage moves well beyond 'what I want to believe' and into 'the land of pipe dreams and flights of fancy'. This isn't education anymore, this is just straight up indoctrination of children by people looking to ensure the fullness of future collection plates. Sacrificing science and math - which last I heard, we needed more people in desperately here in the US - for the sake of religious education is such a bad idea, you'd think George Lucas was involved.
This is the primary reason I want religion out of education: they just flat don't educate. They don't teach anything to kids in the way of skills or knowledge that will help them succeed in their adult lives. Education is supposed to produce productive, contributing, socially aware adults who do not, typically, need assistance from outside organizations (as in, the government or churches, mostly). The destruction of education undermines the US economy and ability to compete with other nations on the world stage among other problems. I'm sure everyone here is aware, but let me be clear anyway: 𝒘𝒆 𝒂𝒍𝒍 𝒔𝒖𝒇𝒇𝒆𝒓 𝒘𝒉𝒆𝒏 𝒄𝒉𝒊𝒍𝒅𝒓𝒆𝒏 𝒅𝒐 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒈𝒆𝒕 𝒂 𝒒𝒖𝒂𝒍𝒊𝒕𝒚 𝒆𝒅𝒖𝒄𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏.
Short and simple:
"Our species needs, and deserves, a citizenry with minds wide awake and a basic understanding of how the world works."
-- Carl Sagan, from "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark" page 430
I reject creationism then, I reject creationism now, and I'll reject creationism forever. This what is shown in those ACE garbage books is exactly why.
Rejecting creationism all the way is the right call.
"If a bird evolved from the octopus"
I'd corner the drumstick market!!!
Knowledge has ever been the mortal enemy of superstition.
"It just implies one side is right while the other side has no argument without getting into any substance."
All creation books are like that.
ACE explained"
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