Great idea! After the next school shooting the chaplain will be able to dispense officially sanctioned thoughts and prayers right on the scene. Brilliant!
But are they the right flavor of Thoughts & Prayers™? Can't go administering Cool Ranch when they're a Spicy Crayfish¹. And that's after you get the plain/wavy/ridges/kettle/baked scisms sorted out.
Oh, he'd 'respect my authoritah' every kid. And Kyle, like Token, would only put up with so much. It's Butters that's really going to take the abuse.
Which has a real world parallel. It's not the stronger-willed or self-confident non-Christian teens that will get the worst from the Christian volunteer chaplains. It's the insecure and vulnerable teens...of any religion. Those are the targets these predators are looking for.
Well, I'm dealing with Christians on another line who spout "Free Will," but then say "Without God, there is no Morality," so I guess that dichotomy has something to do with it.
On the other hand, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and Henry Ford's "Dearborn Independent" tell us that the Jews are "servants of Satan."
So the world is going to Hell and run by the Devil......
Conservative Christians tend to see their religion as the solution to every problem, and do so while ignoring their own history. Do they think all the horrors perpetrated by Christians in the name of Christianity didn't actually happen? Do they think it will be different this time? There are far too many people who have deluded themselves into believing if they just hang the word Christian on something it has instant credibility. If kids want to talk to a member of the clergy, why can't they do so in church?
How many of you were raised christians ? How many ditched the faith they grew up with ?
Fundamentalists ministers/preachers/priests... are not total idiots. They saw the number of faithfuls (and the money) dwindle. Since they can't be wrong on any social issue*, their only solution is more religion forced on children in the hope it takes.
They are fighting a rear-guard battle they will ultimately lose. They are attempting to accomplish through the courts and legislatures what they have failed to accomplish from their pulpits.
In about third grade, I had a 'bulls*t notebook; on of the black marble books from the 60s. I wrote everything I decided was moronic in it. Love to have kept it. Mostly RC stuff.
Most Christians don't study the history of the Christian Church, or they're pretending all the Bad Stuffᵀᴹ was done by some other flavor of 'Christian' who Had It Wrongᵀᴹ anyway. Their own personal brand of Christian would never have done any such thing! /s
In all seriousness, the cognitive dissonance is practically an art form. I still distinctly recall my mother telling me about loving the sinner but hating the sin, then turning around and absolutely hating the LGBTQ+ and claiming she didn't have to deal with them. She never saw the conflict there, but I sure did; I've often wondered where I'd be now if I'd preferred women instead of being a very boring cis. I honestly think sometimes that religious fundamentalism should be treated as mental illness for this reason.
The bad things are always attributed to people who were not TRUE Christians. As a rule, churches tend to actively discourage people from studying religious history.
Inevitably these FL shamans will prescribe a regimen of daily fifteen minutes of exorcise for all students. Followed by a cool down period of shake, rattle, and roll.
“I Said Shake Rattle And Roll,
I Said Shake Rattle And Roll,
I Said Shake Rattle And Roll,
I Said Shake Rattle And Roll;
You Never Do Nothin'
To Save Your Doggone Soul.” - Bill Halley & His Comets, ‘Shake, Rattle and Roll’
I used it to respond to Nigerian 419ers, saying the "Ayatollah" was prepared to provide the money if the 419er would send a photo of himself holding up a piece of paper that said "Owha ta goo seiam."
I’m building a playlist of songs that mention religion, souls, gods, etc. (“Losing My Religion”, “Jesus Loves Me But He Can’t Stand You”). Adding that one.
Everyone: I’m open to suggestions. Any genre is fine. Any religion too. I have The Hallelujah Chorus in the playlist too.
God Thinks, Votaire (And a number of his other works)
Wish I Had an Angel, Nightwish
An Angel Came Down, Trans Siberian Orchestra (Fair warning, they gravitate toward Christmas music, so a lot of their work qualifies, but I think it's good and I hate Christmas music.)
It does happen, however it’s less likely to be harmful advice, or will be less likely to happen than if it came from Joe Schmoe ordained chaplain from the Church of Perpetual Profits, with a PhD from the school of Hard Knocks. Many Christian sects have zero requirements for education to become a preacher/pastor/minister/clergy, they just say things like “God called me and I answered.” What will they know about providing counseling to angsty teens in crisis. Many of their own children are abused, or rebelling because their go to source material has no bearing whatsoever with reality, let alone modern life. It sets up children to become victims, constantly telling followers not to think, not to question authorities, not to trust their own gut feelings, and certainly not to be educated. And that’s before you get into the whole child bride, child molesting, look the other way, ignore, excuse, celebrate confessions of whitewashed versions of what happened, and never ever do anything that would make authorities aware these people are not trustworthy around children. Background checks, forsooth.
They’re too young to vote Republican and have no money to give to the church, so they’re expendable. They can always have the parents make more kids anyway.
What, again? And Florida, of course. Here's something else, too: it's likely that NO ONE promoting this travesty of a bill will tell you that the chaplains who would take on this responsibility are UNTRAINED. My guess is that the very fact that they are chaplains – men and women of the cloth – is supposed to seem to be sufficient qualification for the children of the Sunshine State. [insert facepalm!]
Once again, I'm hoping that there are enough aware parents in Florida who hear this and respond as they damned well should: with anger and outrage and a desire to act against this blunt stupidity. One can only hope...
They sincerely believe that their Bible holds all the knowledge of the universe! So of course they believe these c̴h̴a̴r̴l̴a̴t̴a̴n̴s̴ ̴ chaplains are overqualified for every job in existence.
"All the knowledge of the universe." [chuckle] I'd love to see them cite where the bible talks about physics or chemistry in a manner that is actually APPLICABLE in the modern day.
Pardon me, I made a grab for my temper, and apparently, I missed.
I do not appreciate the way these bills are painting targets on the backs of children for the purpose of impressing a gullible base. Churches have never been required to report crimes against children in their care, and now you want to put these same abusers in schools as well? You'll have MORE school shootings, not less. The staggering level of reality denial here borders on mental illness. I wish there were a way to make these lawmakers actually live in the sort of school environment they're creating for kids, somehow that seems like it would at least be fair(ish).
Best not to mention it until after the FL GOP passes the bill. Otherwise, they'll amend it to get rid of mandatory reporting. Because, oh please won't somebody think of the Chaplains.
I and the ex were married by a friend of a friend who is a member also. My niece did the same so she could officiate at her sister’s wedding. She wrote a pope hat for the ceremony. 😂
I’d be better trained to counsel those kids with almost a minor in psychology (3 credits short), not raised religious and having a brain that isn’t warped by fundie nonsense.
The problem: not enough professionals to provide services
The factors contributing to the problem: religio-political policies that are adversarial to competent professional counselors and teachers and students’ well being. Book bans, restrictions on communications between students and faculty, and anti-science legislation.
Florida conclusion: MOAR RELIGION!!! More roadblocks and obstacles for quality professional faculty to reach the students and address their problems.
Sounds about right from the people who brought you the solution to mass shootings — more guns.
Great idea! After the next school shooting the chaplain will be able to dispense officially sanctioned thoughts and prayers right on the scene. Brilliant!
But are they the right flavor of Thoughts & Prayers™? Can't go administering Cool Ranch when they're a Spicy Crayfish¹. And that's after you get the plain/wavy/ridges/kettle/baked scisms sorted out.
(¹ Yep, it's a thing: https://www.bokksumarket.com/products/lays-potato-chips-spicy-crayfish)
A chip all laymen will enjoy.
As well as giving last rites.
So a Jewish kid with problems will go to see this counselor and be told that his issues are purely because he's a "Christ-killing heathen," I suppose.
Don't forget "christian babies eater".
And being a member of the ethnic group that imposed jazz music and rigged the 1919 World Series.
That was in Henry Ford's "Dearborn Independent."
I would have guessed klezmer. Who knew! 😉
We could also have Eric Cartman from "South Park" as the chaplain...it would be hilarious.
He's so very pro-Jew....just ask Kyle. 😁
Yes, but his mother had to ground him after he led those marchers down South Park's main street, chanting "Wir mussen die Juden ausrotten!"
Oh, he'd 'respect my authoritah' every kid. And Kyle, like Token, would only put up with so much. It's Butters that's really going to take the abuse.
Which has a real world parallel. It's not the stronger-willed or self-confident non-Christian teens that will get the worst from the Christian volunteer chaplains. It's the insecure and vulnerable teens...of any religion. Those are the targets these predators are looking for.
Still stuffed in the glovebox of my 55 Ford Fairlane Crown Vic.
"Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord...
"He is tearing down the alley in a black-and-yellow Ford..."
been reading up on that 1959 Baltimore Catechism again, I see. Good times.
Sales of that book has certainly kept that publisher going for more than half a century.
They banned it not long after I got it, back in the day. They told little kids that the Jews killed Jesus.
They've been doing that for only 1,900 years.
That's the elephant in the room they want to hide. If Yeshu was the real deal, why are there still Jews. Weren't they convinced?
Well, I'm dealing with Christians on another line who spout "Free Will," but then say "Without God, there is no Morality," so I guess that dichotomy has something to do with it.
On the other hand, "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and Henry Ford's "Dearborn Independent" tell us that the Jews are "servants of Satan."
So the world is going to Hell and run by the Devil......
Conservative Christians tend to see their religion as the solution to every problem, and do so while ignoring their own history. Do they think all the horrors perpetrated by Christians in the name of Christianity didn't actually happen? Do they think it will be different this time? There are far too many people who have deluded themselves into believing if they just hang the word Christian on something it has instant credibility. If kids want to talk to a member of the clergy, why can't they do so in church?
How many of you were raised christians ? How many ditched the faith they grew up with ?
Fundamentalists ministers/preachers/priests... are not total idiots. They saw the number of faithfuls (and the money) dwindle. Since they can't be wrong on any social issue*, their only solution is more religion forced on children in the hope it takes.
* 🙄
Me, I could not get away fast enough! Fortunately my parents were not too invested in it. But we still had to go to church.
They are fighting a rear-guard battle they will ultimately lose. They are attempting to accomplish through the courts and legislatures what they have failed to accomplish from their pulpits.
Trying to patch a leaking dam with fancy decorative paper instead of ugly concrete.
Decorated with Lead paint.
In about third grade, I had a 'bulls*t notebook; on of the black marble books from the 60s. I wrote everything I decided was moronic in it. Love to have kept it. Mostly RC stuff.
Like George Carlin, the age of reason.
Most Christians don't study the history of the Christian Church, or they're pretending all the Bad Stuffᵀᴹ was done by some other flavor of 'Christian' who Had It Wrongᵀᴹ anyway. Their own personal brand of Christian would never have done any such thing! /s
In all seriousness, the cognitive dissonance is practically an art form. I still distinctly recall my mother telling me about loving the sinner but hating the sin, then turning around and absolutely hating the LGBTQ+ and claiming she didn't have to deal with them. She never saw the conflict there, but I sure did; I've often wondered where I'd be now if I'd preferred women instead of being a very boring cis. I honestly think sometimes that religious fundamentalism should be treated as mental illness for this reason.
The bad things are always attributed to people who were not TRUE Christians. As a rule, churches tend to actively discourage people from studying religious history.
Likely very fucked up and figuring out relationships in your 40s or 50s after you came out in your late 20s or early 30s.
"Mostly Harmful" put the lie to that statement about any sort of help.
Then there are the big 10.
https://scontent-lhr6-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/426126396_1536380120547729_7285742640898850970_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=c42490&_nc_ohc=qePgdu8ru9EAX89CTRZ&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr6-2.xx&oh=00_AfD0YF3xxQOwiYyVlllZw5PFlsySZsokLyxnfrWk-R7ZpQ&oe=65C99027
Inevitably these FL shamans will prescribe a regimen of daily fifteen minutes of exorcise for all students. Followed by a cool down period of shake, rattle, and roll.
“I Said Shake Rattle And Roll,
I Said Shake Rattle And Roll,
I Said Shake Rattle And Roll,
I Said Shake Rattle And Roll;
You Never Do Nothin'
To Save Your Doggone Soul.” - Bill Halley & His Comets, ‘Shake, Rattle and Roll’
During the 1979-1980 hostage crisis, I did this gag:
“I am Sheikh Rat-el en-Roll, Chief Adviser to Ayatollah Rock-n-Rollah.”
That gag sent all kinds of Dervishes a swirling.
I used it to respond to Nigerian 419ers, saying the "Ayatollah" was prepared to provide the money if the 419er would send a photo of himself holding up a piece of paper that said "Owha ta goo seiam."
And six lords a leaping.
I’m building a playlist of songs that mention religion, souls, gods, etc. (“Losing My Religion”, “Jesus Loves Me But He Can’t Stand You”). Adding that one.
Everyone: I’m open to suggestions. Any genre is fine. Any religion too. I have The Hallelujah Chorus in the playlist too.
Genesis, Jesus he knows me (or something like that)
Roger Waters, What God Wants
Concrete Blonde, God is a Bullet
Queen, Jesus
Black Sabbath, Heaven and Hell.
Steve Vai, For the love of God.
Ghost, Bible
Ministry, Jesus built my hotrod.
The Pretty Reckless, Heaven Knows
Plenty of Rush songs
Jethro Tull:
My God
Hymn 43
The Feederz "jesus entering from the rear" sums it up nicely 😂
‘Let The Mystery Be’ by Iris Dement.
One of Us - Joan Osborne
Send Me An Angel - Real Life
God is a DJ, Pink
Do Bad Well, KSHMR
Angel with a Shotgun, The Cab
God Thinks, Votaire (And a number of his other works)
Wish I Had an Angel, Nightwish
An Angel Came Down, Trans Siberian Orchestra (Fair warning, they gravitate toward Christmas music, so a lot of their work qualifies, but I think it's good and I hate Christmas music.)
All That You Have is Your Soul, Tracy Chapman
Rivers of Babylon, Boney M
Estimated Prophet, The Grateful Dead
"Just Like You" -- Monster on Sunday
Faith + one - Eric Cartman
‘Singularity’ , Bright Eyes, Album: The People Key
I think this could be part of the liturgical hymnal of Accelerationism.
“𝑊ℎ𝑎𝑡 ℎ𝑎𝑝𝑝𝑒𝑛𝑠 𝑤ℎ𝑒𝑛 𝑜𝑢𝑟 𝑐ℎ𝑖𝑙𝑑𝑟𝑒𝑛 𝑟𝑒𝑐𝑒𝑖𝑣𝑒 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑤𝑟𝑜𝑛𝑔 𝑎𝑑𝑣𝑖𝑐𝑒 𝑓𝑟𝑜𝑚 𝑎 𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡𝑎𝑙 ℎ𝑒𝑎𝑙𝑡ℎ 𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑛𝑠𝑒𝑙𝑜𝑟?”
It does happen, however it’s less likely to be harmful advice, or will be less likely to happen than if it came from Joe Schmoe ordained chaplain from the Church of Perpetual Profits, with a PhD from the school of Hard Knocks. Many Christian sects have zero requirements for education to become a preacher/pastor/minister/clergy, they just say things like “God called me and I answered.” What will they know about providing counseling to angsty teens in crisis. Many of their own children are abused, or rebelling because their go to source material has no bearing whatsoever with reality, let alone modern life. It sets up children to become victims, constantly telling followers not to think, not to question authorities, not to trust their own gut feelings, and certainly not to be educated. And that’s before you get into the whole child bride, child molesting, look the other way, ignore, excuse, celebrate confessions of whitewashed versions of what happened, and never ever do anything that would make authorities aware these people are not trustworthy around children. Background checks, forsooth.
What could possibly go wrong?
Dead students. Which seems to be the point. 'Live' fetuses matter. Breathing children are canon fodder for their war of conformity.
George said it best.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkMbMidsYIM
He chased half the audience in CO Springs with this intro. And then when they left he said, "good, now we can have some fun".
They’re too young to vote Republican and have no money to give to the church, so they’re expendable. They can always have the parents make more kids anyway.
*spits*
“What happens when our children receive the wrong advice from a mental health counselor?”
What are the odds she thinks that "wrong advice" is that it is ok for a trans kid to be trans?
It's not just the trans teens, it's all LGBTQ2IAA teens.
Of course. It's just going to start with the trans kids, because they are the easiest for the NSGOP to bully.
How not to care for children:
"Counselor, my parents beat me with a stick."
"Is the stick smaller around than their thumb?'
And the pogrom against LGBT teenagers continues. That's not even an extra benefit for these murderous assholes. It's a core goal.
The cruelty is the point. If they’re not being cruel to anyone, then they feel their life has no meaning.
When they start using the word "alternative" to describe something, you know it's both cockamamie and ineffective.
What, again? And Florida, of course. Here's something else, too: it's likely that NO ONE promoting this travesty of a bill will tell you that the chaplains who would take on this responsibility are UNTRAINED. My guess is that the very fact that they are chaplains – men and women of the cloth – is supposed to seem to be sufficient qualification for the children of the Sunshine State. [insert facepalm!]
Once again, I'm hoping that there are enough aware parents in Florida who hear this and respond as they damned well should: with anger and outrage and a desire to act against this blunt stupidity. One can only hope...
They sincerely believe that their Bible holds all the knowledge of the universe! So of course they believe these c̴h̴a̴r̴l̴a̴t̴a̴n̴s̴ ̴ chaplains are overqualified for every job in existence.
"All the knowledge of the universe." [chuckle] I'd love to see them cite where the bible talks about physics or chemistry in a manner that is actually APPLICABLE in the modern day.
Don't hold your breath...
Neither it mentions any vehicle with a motor.
The universe? Teh bibel doesn't even mention other planets within our own solar system. Heck, it doesn't mention the term "solar system."
“Solar system” puts the sun at the centre where all the planets revolve around it.
The Bible is the one that says everything in the entire universe revolves around the Earth.
Pardon me, I made a grab for my temper, and apparently, I missed.
I do not appreciate the way these bills are painting targets on the backs of children for the purpose of impressing a gullible base. Churches have never been required to report crimes against children in their care, and now you want to put these same abusers in schools as well? You'll have MORE school shootings, not less. The staggering level of reality denial here borders on mental illness. I wish there were a way to make these lawmakers actually live in the sort of school environment they're creating for kids, somehow that seems like it would at least be fair(ish).
Christians keep proving that they NOT pro-life.
Here's an interesting thought...
1. Volunteer counselors made mandatory reporters.
2. Chaplain becomes volunteer counselor.
3. Kid goes to school counselor, complains of child abuse at the chaplain's home church.
4. Chaplain must now legally report such abuse to authorities or be held criminally liable.
->End of 'seal of confession' defense for chaplains volunteering in schools.
->Chaplains ordered by their parishes/bishops NOT to volunteer as school counselors.
Sneaky!
Best not to mention it until after the FL GOP passes the bill. Otherwise, they'll amend it to get rid of mandatory reporting. Because, oh please won't somebody think of the Chaplains.
I AM thinking of the chaplains ... as potential defendants in a class-action lawsuit!
The lawmakers must really want those lawsuits that will come from this.
Lawyers need work, right? 😇
I’m a member of the clergy in the Universal Life Church. Maybe I’ll volunteer as a chaplain.
I also have a Doctorate of Divinity that I got online by answering a couple of questions and paying two dollars.
Ooh, where'd the DD come from?
I don’t remember.
ETA: This isn’t what I did but hey, it’s a DD.
https://www.ulc.org/minister-store/doctor-of-divinity-degree
I knew a girl with DD and she experienced severe back problems; got reduced.
I and the ex were married by a friend of a friend who is a member also. My niece did the same so she could officiate at her sister’s wedding. She wrote a pope hat for the ceremony. 😂
Only a matter of time before some Republican or another pitches the idea of allowing graduation from a seminary as a teaching qualification.
“Can you read?”
“Barely.”
“You’re hired!”
"You ever work with animals?"
"I stepped in some horseshit once."
"Good, you're in charge."
Or elected in the case of a racist Georgian scum.
I’d be better trained to counsel those kids with almost a minor in psychology (3 credits short), not raised religious and having a brain that isn’t warped by fundie nonsense.
Everyone is better trained than them. It’s a cosmically low bar.
Very true! 😂
The problem: not enough professionals to provide services
The factors contributing to the problem: religio-political policies that are adversarial to competent professional counselors and teachers and students’ well being. Book bans, restrictions on communications between students and faculty, and anti-science legislation.
Florida conclusion: MOAR RELIGION!!! More roadblocks and obstacles for quality professional faculty to reach the students and address their problems.
Sounds about right from the people who brought you the solution to mass shootings — more guns.