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This fool should be held personally liable for the legal costs of defending his ruling, because there is no way he gets this past the courts. At least you’d hope so, but who knows these days. This country enjoys as much religious freedom as can be found on earth, and I don’t know why that isn’t enough for some people. They keep demanding government backstop their religion in spite of the fact the Constitution forbids it.

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𝐸𝑠𝑡𝑎𝑏𝑙𝑖𝑠ℎ𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑒𝑛𝑐𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑎𝑔𝑒𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑎𝑟𝑒 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑠𝑎𝑚𝑒, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑛𝑜 𝐹𝑟𝑎𝑚𝑒𝑟 𝑤𝑜𝑢𝑙𝑑 ℎ𝑎𝑣𝑒 𝑐𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑒𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑡𝑤𝑜. 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐹𝑖𝑟𝑠𝑡 𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑑𝑚𝑒𝑛𝑡 𝑝𝑟𝑜ℎ𝑖𝑏𝑖𝑡𝑠 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑜𝑟𝑚𝑒𝑟 (𝑎𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑓𝑒𝑑𝑒𝑟𝑎𝑙 𝑙𝑒𝑣𝑒𝑙), 𝑏𝑢𝑡 𝑛𝑜𝑡 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝑙𝑎𝑡𝑡𝑒𝑟.

Are you sure about that, Uthmeier? If that were so, then the government could encourage The Satanic Temple. The government could encourage Islam. Or do you think the official position of the government, from federal down to township, should be that only Christianity counts as religion?

"An attempt to level all religions, and to make it a matter of state policy to hold all in utter indifference, would have created universal disapprobation, if not universal indignation”

Yes, it appears that that is your position. How, exactly, is the government to elevate Christianity above all other religions without establishing it?

Also, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of who the Establishment Clause applies to. It does not only apply to the federal government, but to all levels of government. That was codified by the 14th amendment, but it was a principle even before that. And the First Amendment's religion clauses served to clarify the rights of the people and the restrictions on the government already set forth in Article VI. "No religious test" means no religion required, no religion preferred, and no religion prohibited. Not just sects of Christianity.

It is a short step from the government encouraging Christianity to requiring Christianity, and from there, it isn't too far to mandate one particular sect. Do you want the Troubles? This is how you get the Troubles.

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