This is what the Dominionist movement, which House Speaker Johnson is a part of, has planned for all of America. All individual rights would be gone, including any right to privacy. They want to abolish the U.S. Constitution and replace it with a fundamentalist Christian theocracy. They would structure the world of their dreams around the blood-thirsty monster of the Old Testament. You would think we would have outgrown this problem by now, but some people just cannot stop trying to force their religion on others. Church-state separation is more important than it has ever been.
My only question is how do these people continually get away with force feeding religious doctrine on those who don’t want it; especially the most marginalized, or people without a choice?
Hermant, you’ve given us example after example over the course of this year, and these people never pay a price. Not in public schools, in business or apparently, through the Board of Corrections, both at state and federal levels.
And what happens if these religious nut jobs in Congress and the Whitehouse continue to put religious whack jobs on the bench? It’s a rhetorical question, no need to answer!
This case tracks directly from the Andrew Miller case which Hemant cited yesterday. While Christians of one form or another may constitute a plurality in the US, the fact remains that non-Christians have rights, and those rights need to be recognized and especially so in less-than-ideal situations such as imprisonment. Both Mark Janny and Andrew Miller were denied their rights while they were incarcerated, and some form of compensation isn't just deserved but is necessary, both to correct at least in part the errors made on their persons, but also to impress on those who made those mistakes that, to put it mildly, 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗬 𝗦𝗖𝗥𝗘𝗪𝗘𝗗 𝗨𝗣.
And I agree with Sean that reprimands and possibly monetary penalties should be levied on those responsible.
The religious halfway house should not be the only option for parolees, nor should it be the first option. It can be a part of a list of many options, but that would mean the county would have to find and fund other options. What alternatives were offered to Janny? Religion or jail apparently. This is obviously unconstitutional and yet the system saw no issue with it.
It is messed up that the system is setup in way that ensures failure for folks. Being imprisoned causes a loss of employment and residence then demands you to immediately have employment and a residence once you leave with the added burden of having a conviction under your belt, which can and does make attaining both impossible. Being thrown back in jail or prison only exacerbates the issue. I understand that allowing these people to live on the streets with no job or accountability only serves to add to recidivism, but so does the super strict pressure from uncaring and unbending parole officers.
Part of the problem is that the Law™ is designed so that there are gatekeepers. This is as should be. To protect us all of course. For example it should never be allowed that a scofflaw be elected to supreme office, or allow commissions to hire police officers without seeing past history of conduct, or judges to accept gifts and then rule on cases connected to the sources of those gifts, or allow a religious order to move persons that violate sexual violence laws to retirement camps, begin wars of occupation based on the purchase of aluminum tubes and raw uranium, or banks taking in profits based on jpegs or predatory loan practices or altering laws in their favor or funding criminals while keeping their assets safe. Huh. The last time stuff like that happened the French got real fast and loose with guillotines.
A monetary award may be the best resolution for Janny's case. But for society at large I would instead hope for a judicial ruling that no parole-eligible "residence of record" may compel religious activity as a criteria for residence.
This is what the Dominionist movement, which House Speaker Johnson is a part of, has planned for all of America. All individual rights would be gone, including any right to privacy. They want to abolish the U.S. Constitution and replace it with a fundamentalist Christian theocracy. They would structure the world of their dreams around the blood-thirsty monster of the Old Testament. You would think we would have outgrown this problem by now, but some people just cannot stop trying to force their religion on others. Church-state separation is more important than it has ever been.
Compensation is good, but the parole board needs to be severely reprimanded.
Plus, this is a minor win. 1 step forward and 12 steps back, that's how the program works.
My only question is how do these people continually get away with force feeding religious doctrine on those who don’t want it; especially the most marginalized, or people without a choice?
Hermant, you’ve given us example after example over the course of this year, and these people never pay a price. Not in public schools, in business or apparently, through the Board of Corrections, both at state and federal levels.
And what happens if these religious nut jobs in Congress and the Whitehouse continue to put religious whack jobs on the bench? It’s a rhetorical question, no need to answer!
What a joke!
This case tracks directly from the Andrew Miller case which Hemant cited yesterday. While Christians of one form or another may constitute a plurality in the US, the fact remains that non-Christians have rights, and those rights need to be recognized and especially so in less-than-ideal situations such as imprisonment. Both Mark Janny and Andrew Miller were denied their rights while they were incarcerated, and some form of compensation isn't just deserved but is necessary, both to correct at least in part the errors made on their persons, but also to impress on those who made those mistakes that, to put it mildly, 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗬 𝗦𝗖𝗥𝗘𝗪𝗘𝗗 𝗨𝗣.
And I agree with Sean that reprimands and possibly monetary penalties should be levied on those responsible.
To be fair, Christians never, ever commit crimes or do anything wrong, so you know going to Bible study magically makes you perfect.
The religious halfway house should not be the only option for parolees, nor should it be the first option. It can be a part of a list of many options, but that would mean the county would have to find and fund other options. What alternatives were offered to Janny? Religion or jail apparently. This is obviously unconstitutional and yet the system saw no issue with it.
It is messed up that the system is setup in way that ensures failure for folks. Being imprisoned causes a loss of employment and residence then demands you to immediately have employment and a residence once you leave with the added burden of having a conviction under your belt, which can and does make attaining both impossible. Being thrown back in jail or prison only exacerbates the issue. I understand that allowing these people to live on the streets with no job or accountability only serves to add to recidivism, but so does the super strict pressure from uncaring and unbending parole officers.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2023/nov/16/elon-musk-antisemitic-tweet-adl
OT – musk goes full fascist.
Breaking: The man who assaulted Paul Pelosi and tried to kidnap Nancy Peloci is found GUILTY of all counts!
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/us/david-depape-paul-pelosi-verdict.html
That photo of a man reading the bible while handcuffed. So much for "The truth shall set you free."
their have been gay people throughout human history, and they will continue to be around for as long as humanity is present.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/mike-johnson-america-god-wrath-jim-garlow-1234879233/
What a difference a letter makes. Would you rather have a religious-liberty case argued before Judge RAY Moore or Judge ROY Moore?
None of this nominal $1 to make a point nonsense! Go for the big bucks.
Imagine how many folks who this has happened to who played along to avoid jail.
Part of the problem is that the Law™ is designed so that there are gatekeepers. This is as should be. To protect us all of course. For example it should never be allowed that a scofflaw be elected to supreme office, or allow commissions to hire police officers without seeing past history of conduct, or judges to accept gifts and then rule on cases connected to the sources of those gifts, or allow a religious order to move persons that violate sexual violence laws to retirement camps, begin wars of occupation based on the purchase of aluminum tubes and raw uranium, or banks taking in profits based on jpegs or predatory loan practices or altering laws in their favor or funding criminals while keeping their assets safe. Huh. The last time stuff like that happened the French got real fast and loose with guillotines.
Maybe there shouldn't be gatekeepers.
A monetary award may be the best resolution for Janny's case. But for society at large I would instead hope for a judicial ruling that no parole-eligible "residence of record" may compel religious activity as a criteria for residence.
OT - Cue 𝘛𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘡𝘰𝘯𝘦 music, I won the first three games of solitaire I played today. Oh, and btw, my internet is all floopy again.